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->''"God and the devil are '''idiots'''!"''
-->-- '''Lestat''', ''Literature/MemnochTheDevil''

So, you're creating a work where the lead characters are up against TheLegionsOfHell. They're fighting the good fight, going up against Satan and all his demons. Of course, if they're fighting against Hell, this may lead to the question of where Heaven is. And if Heaven's fighting the fight with them, that may give them too much firepower to be interesting... or raise questions about why God, in all his wisdom, [[TheGodsMustBeLazy isn't doing anything else]]. Sometimes it's like there's a DevilButNoGod, but sometimes characters [[NayTheist know for sure there's a God]], and he's simply acting as a BadassPacifist or StupidNeutral despite the heroes fighting for him.

Then there's the other way: you write a work in which GodIsEvil, and the characters RageAgainstTheHeavens. This leads to the question of whether or not SatanIsGood, which can be... uncomfortable.

So, here's the solution: make it so that neither side is all that helpful. In this situation, God and Satan Are Both Jerks, and neither has humanity's best interests in mind. Hell and Satan will typically be portrayed in the classical fashion, but God and Heaven will usually be portrayed as [[KnightTemplar Knights Templar]] who don't give a crap about humanity, exulting in their own glories or focusing all their firepower on the fight against Hell with little care for civilian casualties.

The end result of this trope is usually a humanistic or [[TheExistentialist existentialist]] work, one where mankind learns to get along without divine intervention, taking control of their own destiny.

This setting is often home to a NayTheist. Related to the BalanceOfGoodAndEvil. Why God's intervention in a world that the Devil clearly has a hand in would be considered "unfair" is [[FridgeLogic left as an exercise for the reader.]]

JerkassGods is the polytheistic equivalent. Compare EvilVersusEvil as well as GodIsFlawed. Often a reason for getting a live round in ReligiousRussianRoulette.

Despite what you may think, JesusWasWayCool doesn't necessarily contradict this trope. It's not unheard of for Jesus to still be a good guy even if God is being portrayed as no better than the Devil.




[[folder: Anime and Manga ]]
* It could also count as DevilButNoGod in that the God figure is inactive and removed from the normal world, and also not particularly godlike, but ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' could be considered this. The 'Truth' entity identifies itself as God (among other things) and shows sadistic glee in inflicting ironic punishments on those who break the laws of nature and engage in human transmutation. However, the BigBad of the series, Father, is a cruel Satan-equivalent who keeps up a father-god image, and who plots to usurp Truth. At the end of the series, Truth does a bit of [[PetTheDog dog-petting]] [[spoiler: and also [[KickTheSonOfABitch punishes Father in a manner that's so cruel it's kind of funny]]]].
* Inverted in ''LightNovel/HighschoolDXD''. The main characters are all devils, and the main romantic interest, Rias, is in fact the acting Satan's younger sister. However, they are all [[NobleDemon noble demons]] (albeit some rather [[HornyDevils perverted]]), and the series takes great pains to show that demons, angels, [[FallenAngel fallen angels]], and simple humans are all really no different from each other. The only thing that separates the three former races from the latter is that they have magic powers, and the only thing that separates them from each other is how they go about granting humans' desires: Angels do it for free while demons and fallen angels request payment for their help, but nothing on the level of selling their soul or the like; normally, a simple monetary payment will suffice. Some demons are shown to be as nice and civil as can be, while angels prove that they can be huge dickheads if they wish, as well. In fact, the only reason the three races even fought in the first place was because God was worried the demons might decide to rise up against Him, so decided to strike first, using TheBible as a propaganda piece to rile the angels into war.
* In the 2011 version of ''Manga/DororonEnmaKun'':[[spoiler: in the final two episodes, Heaven and Hell agree to kill off billions of humans in order to [[HumanResources harvest their souls for "soulperglue".]]]]
* In ''Manga/{{Devilman}}'' [[spoiler: God is an EldritchAbomination who wants to murder demons only because his vision of order has no place for them, while Satan wants to wipe all humans from the face of Earth so demons can rule over it]]. In ''AMON'', the titular character opposes them both because, [[OrderVersusChaos as a chaotic spirit, he is not happy with either's vision of order]] and [[spoiler: God has put the world on a loop so Satan can fall in love with Akira and watch him die again and again and Satan realizes that he/she is quite insane]].
* In ''LightNovel/{{Slayers}}'', the Demons and their Mazoku underlings are without any doubt evil, out to destroy everything, but the Dragons, supposedly the good guys under the gods, have no qualms about committing genocide or even sacrificing their own for "peace", pushing them just as far on the jerkiness scale. And even put UpToEleven with [[spoiler:Darkstar Dubranidgdu who is an OmnicidalManiac merged from both the highest good and evil of the Darkstar plane, both agreed to merge, just so they can go all out to destroy everything to end their eternal war]].
* ''Manga/AngelSanctuary'': God, the Angels, and the Demons are all antagonists at some point. [[BlackAndGrayMorality Nobody's lovely]]; [[EvilerThanThou some are just worse than others]]. [[CrapsackWorld It's that kind of story]].
* ''Manga/{{Bastard}}'' KnightTemplar angels as well as AlwaysChaoticEvil devils try to wipe out humanity, while fighting each other.

[[folder: Comic Books ]]
* If Creator/GarthEnnis is writing a comic book featuring Abrahamic religion, ''this trope will reign supreme''. ''ComicBook/{{Hellblazer}}'', ''ComicBook/{{Preacher}}'', ''ComicBook/TheChroniclesOfWormwood'', even his short run on ''Comicbook/GhostRider'' -- all portray Hell as petty and depraved and Heaven as self-centered and militant.
* This is true of ''Comicbook/{{Hellblazer}}'' in general - John Constantine is a spiritual anarchist who finds both sides repulsive and stands for common humanity against any sort of supernatural interference or exploitation.
* In ''Comicbook/{{Spawn}}'', the rulers of both Heaven and Hell are equally cruel and evil, and neither gives a lick of spit for the ultimate fate of humanity.
** More to the point, the beings humans know as God and Satan are [[spoiler:simply the children of the ''true'' creator deity who has taken a back-seat to their meddling in the world, until in a joint temper tantrum they basically bring about the End Times way ahead of schedule. The Creator directly empowers Spawn who kicks ass on basically the entirety of the remnants of creation, then pushes the ResetButton but leaves God and Satan trapped in a pocket dimension thinking they've destroyed everything they created... and they choose to keep fighting anyway]].
*** Remember what was said about how some works with this trope still say JesusWasWayCool? In ''Spawn'', [[spoiler: Jesus was actually the Creator incarnated as a human being, but most of his teachings have been subverted/corrupted/concealed by Christianity in order to twist humans into remaining, at least ostensibly, under God's yoke]].
* ''ComicBook/JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac'': [[spoiler: God is a lazy idiot and Satan is an AffablyEvil trickster who likes to give Nny a scare.]]
* In Creator/WarrenEllis's ComicBook/{{Planetary}} there is a brief mention of some Russian scientists who discover that souls are merely electromagnetic fuel for a war between Heaven and Hell. They decide to check out on an A-Bomb, so that the EMP blast will destroy their souls.
* In ''Lobo'' 'verse, Satan is kind of the guy you'd expect him to be. But God... he just finds Lobo's [[RageAgainstTheHeavens rampage through Heaven]] funny. When an angel politely asks him to intervene, he throws an empty can of beer at the angel and tells him to get another one.
* Two characters from Creator/GrantMorrison's run on ''Comicbook/DoomPatrol'' - the Red Jack and the Shadowy Mr. Evans have claimed to be respectively God and Satan. If they were right, then this trope applies, but only a little compared to ''God And Satan Are Both Completely Bonkers''.
* In ''Comicbook/{{Lucifer}}'' both God and Lucifer himself tend to be uncaring while angels are KnightTemplar types who care little or nothing for humans either way and demons range from ForTheEvulz {{Card Carrying Villain}}s to just bored and unpleasant. There are exceptions on both sides but those are the general rules.
* ComicBook/LadyDeath had {{Satan}} as BigBad for her classic continuity and the forces of Heaven were depicted as not much better than the demons, using the souls of mortals who ascend to paradise to fuel a war machine in their war against {{Hell}}. {{God}} appeared briefly in one story as a DirtyOldMan who hits on the titular heroine and offers to "create the next Messiah" with her, however its revealed that is in fact, an illusion by the Devil and not the real one.


[[folder: Film ]]
* In [[TheMovie the film version]] of ''Film/{{Constantine}}'', the major angels and demons subscribe to neutrality, but the lesser ones don't. Humanity is left to sink or swim on its own, while caught between what is effectively a supernatural Cold War.
* In ''Film/TheProphecy'', rogue Angels led by the ArchangelGabriel are out to destroy humanity because humans have usurped the angels' place in God's affections, and the demons want to destroy humanity because... well... they're demons. God himself is never encountered on-screen, but the angels still loyal to him don't seem to care much about humanity, generally being content to either sit on the sidelines while humanity suffers or focus only on fighting Gabriel's angels.
* ''Film/{{Legion}}'' had just about the same set-up, except God was actively helping the anti-human angels for a while.
* The Mexican movie ''Macario'' is related to the below fairy tale "Literature/GodfatherDeath", but a lot of the circumstances are changed, and apparently ItWasAllJustADream.
** The main change is that Death is fortuitously encountered by a humble farmer called Macario, who by chance lucked out on a job and was able to buy two whole chickens for himself, and decides to go deep into the forest to eat them by himself. He runs into Death without knowing who it is, and shares a chicken with it; Death grants him the same deal: if Death appears by a sick person's bed near the side, the person will recover; but if it appears near the foot of the bed, the person will die. When Macario decides to neglect this and upset Death, he is forced to visit it in a cave in the forest, where he finds every person in the world has a candle lit representing their lifespan. Macario steals his own candle to prevent Death from taking him, but trips and his life is extinguished. Turns out Death rolled time back, and Macario DID go alone into the forest, ate both chickens and died from indigestion. This is a VERY old movie in black and white, worth checking out for its trippyness.
* ''[[Film/TheDevilsCarnival The Devil's Carnival]]'' uses a BlackAndGrayMorality version of this trope. Lucifer's a bit of a self-righteous asshole, and his titular Carnival is pretty horrifying, but what we've seen of Heaven so far is much worse, and Lucifer's begun developing a plan to undermine Heaven's influence by redeeming those whom God won't. Humanity's still caught in the middle, though- Lucifer's [[{{Understatement}} not especially good at redeeming people without completely traumatizing them in the process]], and while he does [[EvenEvilHasStandards take extreme offense to the idea that he has anything to do with misery on Earth]] (declaring dead children "God's jurisdiction", for example), it's unclear how much he really wants to see humanity saved and how much is just petty revenge on the father-figure who rejected him eons ago. God himself, meanwhile, is a bitter old man who demands absolute obedience from his [[PuttingOnTheReich red-armband-sporting]] angels, discards anything and anyone he deems imperfect, and looks outright ''startled'' when a deceased human man is redeemed and allowed into Heaven, suggesting ''it's been a long time since anyone's made it there.''
* ''WesternAnimation/SausageParty'' has this as its theme. The "gods"--that is, the shoppers at the supermarket-- just want to eat the food characters, whereas the "Dark Lord"--the supermarket custodian-- throws the food away once it's passed its expiration date. Both are highly undesirable fates for the food, although [[spoiler: most of them don't know the "gods" eat them until the protagonist finds out firsthand.]]

[[folder: Literature ]]
* In the ''Literature/HisDarkMaterials'' trilogy, God was the first being created out of nothing and [[spoiler:lied to all the angels that came after saying that he created them. He became senile and powerless over the eons, and was eventually killed by two children when they tried to release him from the prison in which Metatron was keeping him]].
* In-universe example from ''Literature/TheSilmarillion''; Fëanor and his followers absolutely detest Morgoth. However, when Morgoth murdered their King (Fëanor's father) and stole the Silmarils, the Valar did nothing to help. As a result of this, Fëanor, his sons, and their followers swear an oath that they will not rest until they and only they have retaken the Silmarils and that they will fight and kill ''anyone'' who tries to stop them, regardless of their allegiance.
* ''Literature/GoodOmens'' puts a marginally less religiously offensive spin on this trope: Satan and ''Metatron'' (the supreme angel) are both jerks that see humanity as being merely pawns in the greater war between Good and Evil, and both are quite ready to wipe out everyone on Earth when Armageddon goes down. God Himself, however, generally stays out of the picture [[spoiler: until the ending, where it's implied that He's been manipulating both the angels ''and'' the demons and probably has Humanity's best interest in mind. [[CosmicChessGame Or at the very least considers the apocalypse a lose condition.]]]]
** Aziraphale accidently possesses a televangelist who is, at the moment, talking about the Rapture, and inadvertently reveals that Heaven has no plans whatsoever to teleport the faithful to safety before the End Times - it's all collateral damage as far as the angels care.
* ''Literature/AmericanGods'' by Creator/NeilGaiman uses this as [[spoiler:a TwistEnding, except with [[Myth/NorseMythology Odin and Loki]] instead of God and Satan. Throughout the book, the hero Shadow works for Mr. Wednesday (Odin), leader of the "old gods" (the gods of mythology), against Mr. World (Loki), leader of the "new gods" ({{Anthropomorphic Personifications}} of modern crazes like technology and the media). Turns out Odin and Loki are working together, instigating a fight between the old and new gods just to get more power for themselves. Odin gets power from war and death, and Loki gets power from chaos, so an all-out war between the gods would make them uber-powerful. Shadow manages to stop the war between the gods by explaining Odin's and Loki's true motives to the combatants. After the battle is averted, Odin's ghost fades and Loki is impaled by a branch of the WorldTree.]]
* In ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'', we're ''supposed'' to think that the gods are good and the Titans are bad, but YMMV on that, since most of the time it seems like both of them are just jerks. The Titans are overall portrayed as the worse of the two regarding humanity as disposable pawns and entertainment. The Olympians can be helpful and generally promote civilization, but like the myths are incredibly arrogant and hate being embarrassed, shown up by mortals, or putting up with things that piss them off. This leads to often taking out their frustrations on demigods or mortals.
** This is justified by the fact that this is Myth/GreekMythology, where the gods are notorious for being an astonishing variety of jerkasses with a notable inability to keep it in their pants.
* The third book of the follow-up series Literature/TheHeroesOfOlympus is outright confirms this. The demigods show disgust that Hercules was punished for Hera inflicting him with madness and the river god Achelous admits Olympians are rarely punished for their crimes. Later, after being jerked around by the gods one too many times Percy thinks to himself that the Olympians are ''marginally'' better than the Titans and giants, but are neither good nor wise.
* The greater demon Azazel, and the greater angel Raziel are summoned at different points during ''Literature/CityOfLostSouls'', by the main characters, who desperately need a weapon that can break a demonic bond. The demon Azazel offered a solution at the price of being set free, which the good guys had to decline, while the Angel Raziel was extremely insulted at being summoned 'like a dog' by someone who did not carry 'The Mortal Instruments', and only gave the heroes the weapon they needed as opposed to killing the one who summoned him because the summoner, Simon, had a rune which would kill anyone who tried to hurt him.
* According to ''Literature/{{Thirsty}}'', God loves humans, and only humans. It doesn't matter if you used to be human. It doesn't matter if you desperately wish you were human. If you're a monster of any kind, you're going to burn in Hell forever. Demons, on the other hand, are exactly as sociopathic as you'd expect them to be.
* Memnoch the Devil in ''Literature/TheVampireChronicles''. See the page quote above.
** However, since all we have is Memnoch's word that all the events happened as he shows them, it could be a case of UnreliableNarrator.
* In Creator/SimonRGreen's ''Literature/{{Nightside}}'' novels, one book has the forces of heaven and hell duking it out over the same thing, and it's clear that neither side cares in the least how much collateral damage they cause.
* In the fairy tale "Literature/GodfatherDeath", a poor man desperately looks for a godfather for his newborn son. Both God and the Devil offer themselves, but the poor man rejects God for giving to the rich and neglecting the poor, and the Devil for being a scammer. He accepts Death, because he is the only one of the three who is just.
* Wendy Alec's ''Chronicle of Brothers'' series, in which the biblical story is re-written as adventure fiction. Lucifer, Son of God, comes across as a spoilt petulant brat and throws Teddy in a corner in a big way, on learning that Daddy has new siblings (namely the human race) on the way. Like any formerly only child told a baby brother is coming, Lucifer throws a tantrum and runs away from Home (Heaven), taking a third of the angelic race with him. God is every bit as much a {{jerkass}} for letting him go, despite the fact that this opens up Hell as a post-mortem destination for most of humanity and virtually all the fallen angels. And for all his grandiose promises of supplanting God and Christos and whupping their divine arses, every time there is a showdown Luce inevitably gets creamed and despite his intelligence ''does not learn from events'' - there is no match, God always wins. So God is an asshole for not managing the situation better and letting it happen; the Devil is a dick for not realizing he can never win.
* The religion of R'hllor in ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' has heavy shades of this. According to the believers of R'hllor, there is one eponymous good god and one evil anti-god known as the Great Other. However, the priests of R'hllor are far from being a pure force of good: their "Red God" commands them to burn the heretic and purge the unclean by all means necessary, and the miracles they perform are pretty sinister. As for the Great Other, if he exists, he is behind a race of ice demons known as the Others, who are the greatest threat to humanity in this world.
* In Creator/MichaelMoorcock's cosmology, Law and Chaos both tend to be complete {{Jerk Ass}}es who don't care in the slightest how their struggles affect mortals. The best hope for humanity tends to be to {{Kill the God}}s, if that's possible. If it's not, you're probably headed for a DownerEnding.

[[folder: Live Action Television ]]
* ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' has featured demons as the bad guys from the first episode, but in season 4 angels, as represented by Castiel. Problem is, God is generally hands off, and most of the higher angels are perfectly in favor of another war with Lucifer to make sure he's finally taken care of... no matter how many humans get caught in the middle. ArchangelMichael is meant to be Lucifer's [[BigGood "good" counterpart]], who is supposed to [[CainAndAbel deal with him,]] but is just as much of a JerkAss. And the Apocalypse is seen by them as nothing more than sibling rivalry. In fact, human extinction is considered a positive element in some angelic circles.
** Cas spends most of season five looking for his Father, in hopes that if directly entreated he will fix all this injustice and madness. Eventually they manage to get in contact with a being who is in contact with God. God's message is: ''Back off.'' He has no intention of helping. Castiel's answer to that is: ''[[RageAgainstTheHeavens You son of a bitch.]] [[TranquilFury I trusted you.]]''
** God himself is clearly disinterested in the genocidal plans of the angels- in fact, he explicitly says (through an intermediary) that the Apocalypse is "not his problem" (the angels themselves seem either convinced He was dead, or disillusioned that Daddy isn't ever coming back home- they are really simply lost without Him, and the Apocalypse is really the closest thing they have to God's Will). However, it is implied that the ''real'' reason God thought it wasn't His problem is that He knew Sam and Dean would win without help (and has subtly been assisting them in small ways anyway) and that He is simply a case of GodIsFlawed [[spoiler: and is actually Chuck.]]
** Then there's all the gods of other religions, most of which are JerkassGods who don't care either way as long as it doesn't infringe on their territory.
* ''Series/BabylonFive'' uses the SufficientlyAdvancedAliens escape hatch: the Shadows are {{Social Darwinist}}s who regularly cleanse the universe using proxy wars, believing it leads to a more evolved lifeform base. And the Vorlons are control freaks who take the form of each species' God equivalent and have a history of meddling with their culture. They're basically locked into a millennia-old debate with one another, using the other races as pawns and proofs of their own philosophies. From "Into the Fire":
-->'''Sheridan''': The Vorlons ask only one question, over and over; "''Who'' are you?" And you? For you, the question is, "What do you ''want?''" But I have never heard either of you answer that question. Who are '''you?''' What do '''you''' want?!\\
''(deafening silence)''\\
'''Delenn''': You don't know, do you? You've been fighting each other so long, you've forgotten.
** Sheridan eventually puts them in a position where they'll either have to leave or destroy the younger races because they won't play their games any longer, and tells them to "get the hell out of our galaxy". [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu They comply.]]
* ''Series/{{Reaper}}''. The Devil is the obvious JerkAss, but all we see of God is him telling an angel to break Sam's hand so that the Devil owns both Sam and Andi's souls. However, this may also be a case of a RiddleForTheAges, as the angel in question (along with swarms of other angels) departs with a cryptic statement implying that God has some further plan in play.
* In ''Series/{{Lost}}'', good and evil appear to be personified by Jacob and the Man in Black respectively. Though one turns out to be the BigBad and the other passes power to the show's lead character in his final scene, neither has many fans among the characters by the show's end. Their mutual jerkiness is most present in their flashback / StartOfDarkness episode.
* In the universe of ''Franchise/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', evil is, well, evil. Its backed up by numerous Hell Gods and Lords of Evil and even the unkillable First Evil. The forces of light, on the other hand, are represented by the Powers that Be, a group of stuck up, arrogant, uncaring deities who really don't care how horrible the lives of their chosen Champions happen to get, as long as said Champions toe the line, don't argue, and ''do each and every thing the Powers That Be order them to do'', regardless of the cost to the Champion in question.


[[folder: Music]]
* One common lyrical approach in BlackMetal is to portray God and Satan as NotSoDifferent. Perhaps the most extreme example of this is Music/DeathspellOmega, who tend to portray both as nearly {{Eldritch Abomination}}s.


[[folder: Radio ]]

* In ''Radio/OldHarrysGame'', God is a massive jerkass who couldn't care less about humanity but has no problem with their being disproportionately punished. Satan, who is one of the protagonists, is [[SatanIsGood by far the nicer of the two]], but he's still a pretty big jerk and fond of torturing the damned for his amusement. That most of the aforementioned damned [[AssholeVictim actually did something to deserve ending up there]], whilst those who end up there by default because God sets such impossibly high standards of behaviour seem not to be too badly off, keeps Satan on the Grey side of the show's BlackAndGreyMorality.


[[folder: Tabletop Games ]]

* The GameMaster's Guide for the game ''TabletopGame/InNomine'', which concerns the War between Heaven and Hell, provides a variety of options for modifying the tone of the setting; this is one of them, referred to as "Dark Low Contrast".
* The inspiration for the above, French RPG ''TabletopGame/InNomineSatanisMagnaVeritas'', has a lot of this going on (most Demon Princes and about half of the Archangels are varying shades of total asshole), although it's mostly PlayedForLaughs (french humor can be weird like that). [[spoiler:Turns out the whole thing is because God actually falls under BlueAndOrangeMorality, and His actual goal is to make Creation [[ComplexityAddiction ever more complex]], which, as the number of competing subfactions within Heaven and Hell and of minor players in the game can attest, is going quite well.]]
* ''TabletopGame/{{Nobilis}}'' has an interesting case; the Angels of Heaven love beauty and good things -- but they want to make everything fit ''their'' image of what is beautiful and right, and destroy all the things that aren't good enough for them. The Fallen of Hell, however, love everything. They'll be there for you in your darkest moments, loving you unreservedly. Just like they will for the worst the world have to offer. Which of these is better is very much up to personal interpretation. It has a similar contrast between the Light and the Dark; the Light wants human survival and grand order, while the Dark's ultimate ideal is that humanity as a whole pursues its darker side until it destroys itself - but the Light's focus on human survival isn't particularly benevolent, since it tends to show FantasticRacism against non-humans and is willing to strip humanity of everything to ensure it survives, while the Dark also wants to free you from the restrictions you chafe under in day-to-day life. So basically, Kinda-Lawful and Sorta-Chaotic Are Also Jerks.
* In ''Dread'' and ''Spite'', the Books of Pandemonium, it turns out that [[spoiler:Dread's demon-slaying Disciples are working for higher demons who want to win the war of Heaven and Hell for the forces of Hell, and Spite's angel-slaying Zealots are working for angels who have rebelled against Heaven because Heaven apparently doesn't give a rat's ass about human free will. Whichever side in the Heaven vs. Hell War wins, humanity loses.]]
* ''TabletopGame/DemonTheFallen'' had a history that started as RageAgainstTheHeavens -- when it seemed like God and [[LittleMissAlmighty her]] loyalists were keen to let Adam and Eve remain unenlightened animals like the rest of the beasts in Eden, Lucifer and his agents (fearing a disaster that might occur if they didn't do so) raised humans up to true sapience. God, pissed off, shattered the perfect nature of Creation and reduced it to its current fallen state. However, then the Fallen started giving in to [[TheDarkSide Torment]]... let's just say that by the time the demons got cast into the Abyss, there were few heroes on either side.


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[[folder: Video Games ]]
* In ''VideoGame/RuneScape'', Zamorak and Saradomin, the stand ins for Satan and God have both committed atrocious acts.
* In {{roguelike}}s such as ''VideoGame/{{Angband}}'' and its many variants, if angels make an appearance, they are even tougher opponents than the demons, since angels are not, by alignment, evil. This implies the in-universe equivalent of God and Satan are both willing to kill the player -- which, to be fair, [[EverythingTryingToKillYou is par for the course in these games anyway]].
* In ''VideoGame/{{Diablo}}'', angels are expressly forbidden from directly aiding mankind. The archangel Tyrael tries to give advice, but that's about all he can do aside from taking your cash to resurrect your minions (technically falling under indirect help).
** [[AllThereInTheManual And it's explained in some of the supplementary works]] that a portion of the angels actively despise humanity because they are partly descended from demons, and would be perfectly happy to see humanity wiped out. This is mostly displayed in Imperius and Malthael, who had the reasoning that the humans' demonic essence makes them disgusting and despicable.. However, the other angels aside of Tyrael; Auriel and Itherael; are more considerate towards humanity and prefers that they do not get destroyed. All in all, it's more like 60% Angels are fine with humanity, 40% despise them. But, the 40% also happen to be of higher hierarchy thus more likely listened to or be the picture of Angels overall and... read on.
** And in ''VideoGame/{{Diablo III}}'', Tyrael has had enough, willingly becoming a FallenAngel so that he can aid humanity directly as a mortal. Unfortunately, as much as they're less disgusted to humans compared to some, Auriel and Itherael couldn't break away from the laws binding them to heaven and follow Tyrael's suit so they're kind of 'unhelpful' until they really need your help. Imperius remains a {{Jerkass}} [[DudeWheresMyRespect in spite of you helping him]], while Malthael went on to become the BigBad of the expansion ''Reaper of Souls'' intending to KillAllHumans.
** The PlayerCharacter, no matter who they are, also starts to have this attitude towards the end of the "Reaper of Souls" expansion pack. Reading their journals seems to imply that the nephalem are starting to think of both angels and demons as monsters, as they seem to be more interested in 'winning the Eternal Conflict', in order to attain domination on all realms, and all they see about the result of Eternal Conflict is nothing but destruction and suffering of the innocents. The ending, after the player has killed Maltheal, also has Tyrael worrying that the nephalem could be tempted to [[KillEmAll go after both angels and demons]], and could potentially doom everyone.
* In ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'', not only are the demons complete dicks, so are the angels. This is why OmnicidalNeutral endings tend to be considered the best.
** Subverted though in that you DO get some genuinely helpful ones on either side. The Megami clan tends to have a lot of benevolent folks (that ARE nice to you should you meet them), Kishins are essentially honor-bound warriors, and even the Reapers and Fiends are mostly old coots looking for something new to stoke the fire. The kicker is that the moral extremes tend to have a lot more of the bad eggs than good ones. Extremes, in any point of the moral spectrum (Tyrants, Heralds, Fouls and Divines), are almost as a rule quite demented and tend to enforce their viewpoint a tad more [[KnightTemplar more zealously]] than other demons.
** Hell. Lucifer is an [[MoreThanMindControl extremely]] [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] [[TheChessmaster bastard]], YHVH is an utterly [[LackOfEmpathy amoral]] [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans tyrant]], Philemon [[GodsHandsAreTied won't do jack in the face of the Apocalypse]] and abuses his position as ThePowersThatBe to fulfil his agenda, and [[MadeOfEvil Nyarlathotep]] is, well... [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] '''''[[TheHeartless Nyar]][[EldritchAbomination lat]][[AsLongAsThereIsEvil hotep]]'''''. No matter where you look, ''all'' extremes in the alignment axis ''suck''. [[FridgeBrilliance Which makes sense when you really think about it.]]
* ''VideoGame/{{Bayonetta}}'' has this. Demons are genuinely evil, interspersed with a few {{Noble Demon}}s who are honest about their brutality and intentions but can be at least relied on to uphold a deal... until the deal is met. Angels ''look'' pretty but are actually monstrous once you get past their gold and marble outer appearance, to say nothing of their personalities. Despite this, both angels and demons have mortal servants in the form the [[LightIsGood Lumen Sages]] and [[DarkIsNotEvil Umbra Witches]] who are both noble organizations, not that this stops angels and demons using both of them for their own desires.
* The "real" storyline of ''VideoGame/GuardianHeroes'' works out like this. ''Advance Guardian Heroes'' makes things even worse.
* It's a bad sign when both god and the devil are SealedEvilInACan. Such is the case in the ''VideoGame/EpicBattleFantasy'' series. Of the two, [[spoiler:Godcat]] is the bigger jerkass. While [[spoiler:Akron]] is more or less only doing what it was created to do (cause detruction) having long forgotten why, [[spoiler:Godcat]] is a jealous and spiteful deity who cursed her subjects [[spoiler:to have no arms and legs]] merely because they became too friendly with humans.
* ''VideoGame/{{Messiah}}'': Satan is, well, evil. God cares mostly about his own safety and doesn't hesitate from leaving humanity at Satan's mercy.
* In ''VideoGame/{{Valdis Story Abyssal City}}'', Myrgato (Goddess of Darkness) and Alagath (Goddess of Light) are both [[OmnicidalManiac genocidal]] {{Manipulative Bastard}}s who routinely enslave humans and MindRape them into becoming Demons or Angels to fight in their ForeverWar. Myrgato and her Demons are at least honest about their intent to conquer the world, while Alagath's faction are uniformly HolierThanThou KnightTemplar.
* It really, ''really'' sucks to be a human in ''VideoGame/AsurasWrath''. On one side, there's the Gohma, an army of demonic [[TheHeartless Heartless]] and the [[GaiasVengeance embodiment of the planet's fury]], and on the other side, there's the Shinkoku and the Twelve Deities, who've spent 12,000 years building a superweapon to wipe out the Gohma once and for all...which is [[PoweredByAForsakenChild powered by human souls]]. Lots and lots and lots of human souls that require a whole lot of genocide to harvest. [[spoiler: And then there's Chakravartin, who's really no better.]]
* ''VideoGame/MonsterHunter'' plays with this. The various [[PhysicalGod Elder Dragons]] are treated as basically gods on earth. However, being the dragons they are, they usually just do their own thing not caring about humans at best ([[spoiler:[[KrakenAndLeviathan Ceadeus]], [[SandIsWater Jhen Mohran]]]]), or are actively evil to the extent of wishing to bring about the apocalypse at worst ([[spoiler:[[{{Satan}} Dire Miralis]], [[GodIsEvil Alatreon]]]].)
* The ''Franchise/BlazBlue'' series is ultimately revealed to have this going on. The SatanicArchetype is [[CardCarryingVillain Yuuki Terumi]][[spoiler:, aka Takehaya Susano'o no Mikoto (yes, THAT Susano'o)]], who is gleefully unrepentant of all the atrocities he commits because he hates Amaterasu that much. Speaking of Amaterasu, it was originally perceived as a benevolent figure that reset the timeline to prevent certain calamity... until we realize exactly what that "calamity" really is. [[spoiler:The Origin, the entity that inhabits the Amaterasu unit, originally wanted to be saved from her fate as the "god" of the world, but the "hero" of her story either got lost, swore off his fate, or got destroyed, and Amaterasu rewrote the story from scratch every single time this happened... and '''only''' when this happened, regardless of all other calamity that befell the world, usually caused in some capacity by Terumi's handiwork. The "hero" in question is none other than Ragna the Bloodedge in every instance. In other words, the resident 'God' doesn't want her position and wanted to be saved from it, but can't do it herself, therefore she picked a hero and kept repeating the world's events until the hero saves her, any other suffering of another person living in that world, she wouldn't give a damn, [[ItsAllAboutMe as long as she gets saved from the position she never wanted.]]]] After all that, is it no wonder [[TheArchmage Nine]] and [[MadScientist Relius Clover]] both couldn't possibly care less about Terumi ''and'' wish to see Amaterasu destroyed and replaced?
* This is the opinion of the wholeTranscended side in ''VideoGame/NexusClash''. The most prominent gods on both the angelic and demonic sides would be more than willing to sacrifice humanity and free will to get an advantage in their endless war with each other. The Transcended reject their entire rhetoric of good and evil to forge their own path and try to win the war for free will itself, but often risk becoming StupidNeutral as a result.

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* The former page image was from the [[https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=god+%26+devil+show ''God and Devil Show'',]] a web cartoon in which God and the Devil host a celebrity talk show. While [[PokeThePoodle less severe]] than some of the examples on this page, they're still {{jerkass}}es.
* ''WebAnimation/DarkMatter2525'''s [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVgZqnsytJI interpretation of the Book of Job]] from the Bible. In it he argues that both God and Satan are [[{{Deconstruction}} being jerks for forcing Job to undergo such suffering for what is essentially a bet between them for their own amusement.]] The whole time StraightMan angel Jeffery constantly pleads with them to stop because he rightly thinks that what's happening to Job is wrong.
* ''{{Inverted}}'' in ''WebVideo/HellsingUltimateAbridged'', where it shows that God and Satan are actually pretty nice guys. God's got a bit of a pragmatic streak to himself, but Satan shows he's pretty chill with his supposed arch-enemy and the feeling's mutual.


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* In ''Webcomic/{{Sinfest}}'', the Devil is a CorruptCorporateExecutive, using his wealth and influence to ruin civilization ForTheEvulz. God, on the other hand, is a CloudCuckoolander who's constantly annoying and mocking other characters with inane puppet shows.
** [[JesusWasWayCool Jesus, on the other hand, is a pretty swell guy]], as is his [[PalsWithJesus BFF]] [[TakeAThirdOption Buddha]].
** The Eastern Dragon, who represents the mythological aspects of eastern religion, is also kind of a stuck up jerk at times, though not quite as much so as God or the Devil.
* In the now long gone webcomic, Hockey Zombie, this trope was played with. Both God and Satan weren't jerks but a couple of aging fraternity members who loved to party, drink, and played DDR until they passed out.
** Also God only allows the people who followed the one true religion into heaven. However he got Satan to make Hell-2. Which is where all the non-damned go when they die. Pretty much it's like Earth but with no lasting consequences and a hellish atmosphere. The titular Hockey Zombie spent his time there in a demonic strip club until he drunk Satan under the table and let him back up... As a zombie.
* In ''Maxwell the Demon'', hell is staffed by demons who manage to be CardCarryingVillain and PunchClockVillain at the same time, while heaven is a CelestialBureaucracy that falls somewhere between GoodIsNotNice and LightIsNotGood. For example, there's the time when heaven gave didn't protest about hell claiming a whole batch of recently deceased souls ("[[DisproportionateRetribution Not even the ones we claimed for having unpaid parking fines?]]") as part of a practical joke to have the recently killed cast of a reality show to redecorate hell in Salmon Pink.
* The [[LightIsNotGood Sacred Side]] and the [[TheDarkSide Blood Side]] from ''[[http://space-blood.thecomicseries.com/comics/1 Space Blood]]'' invoke this trope with the [[TheFundamentalist Zedi]] being closed minded religious Zealots who think [[HeteronormativeCrusader killing a certain sexuality is good]], While the [[ReligionOfEvil Knights of Len]] act as the heretic faith. But are EqualOpportunityEvil. [[spoiler: And it turns out that both sides are born of evil and created the Space Blood universe.]]
* ''Webcomic/TheAdventuresOfGod'': JesusWasWayCool, but God mostly just made the world for laughs and is an alcoholic. Satan is awful too.

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* In ''WebOriginal/TheSalvationWar'' the story begins with Yahweh telling humans to just lay low and die and give up their souls to be tortured in hell because the gates of heaven have been barred for centuries. [[RageAgainstTheHeavens Mankind takes it as well as you would expect]].
* ''WebVideo/VinesauceTomodachiLife'' features versions of both Jesus and Satan on the island (which is ''far'' from the weirdest thing to happen there), and they zig-zag this trope. Satan is naturally demonic and deep-voiced, and has expressed interest in [[spoiler:deleting the island]], but also has plenty of friends, dresses in stupid outfits, and lives in a fluffy, bright apartment, so he's AffablyEvil in the end. Meanwhile, Jesus is considered [[JesusWasWayCool way cool]] by the islanders and Vinny himself, and is known for spreading forgiveness around, but he has an [[ItsAllAboutMe ego problem]] that has made him cause more havoc than Satan thanks to [[spoiler:helping to split the timeline by [[ResetButton resetting the game]] ''twice'', with the second time being a clearly deliberate attempt to remove evidence of Satan showing forgiveness]]. The tipping factor is that they both have allied with [[VideoGame/TheBindingOfIsaac Isaac]], an islander who's on the extreme chaotic end of OrderVersusChaos at best, and the most threatening thing on Vineland at worst.


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* ''WesternAnimation/TronUprising:'' Clu (the "devil" of the setting) is indeed evil, with a lengthy track record of genocide, torture, murder, and tyranny already. However, Flynn (the "god" in this setting) isn't all that flatteringly portrayed either; enamored with the Isos to the point of neglecting the Programs, seemingly oblivious to The Grid tearing itself apart from the strain, doesn't bother to heal Dyson's horrific facial wound ([[MistreatmentInducedBetrayal which is a major factor to Dyson deciding to throw his lot in with Clu]]), and unlike what he stated in ''Film/TronLegacy'', there is absolutely ''no'' evidence he did anything to help the Programs after the coup. At best, Satan is a Jerk and GodIsInept.