History Main / GodAndSatanAreBothJerks

10th Aug '16 5:27:40 PM TheNerevarine
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

* ComicBook/LadyDeath had {{Satan}} as BigBad for her classic continuity and the forces of Heaven were depicted as not much better than the demons, using the souls of mortals who ascend to paradise to fuel a war machine in their war against {{Hell}}. {{God}} appeared briefly in one story as a DirtyOldMan who hits on the titular heroine and offers to "create the next Messiah" with her, however its revealed that is in fact, an illusion by the Devil and not the real one.
3rd Aug '16 6:17:04 PM Dravencour
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* In the universe of ''Franchise/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', evil is, well, evil. Its backed up by numerous Hell Gods and Lords of Evil and even the unkillable First Evil. The forces of light, on the other hand, are represented by the Powers that Be, a group of stuck up, arrogant, uncaring deities who really don't care how badly the lives of their chosen Champions happen to get, as long as said Champions toe the line, don't argue, and ''do each and every thing the Powers That Be order them to do'', regardless of the cost to the Champion in question.

to:

* In the universe of ''Franchise/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', evil is, well, evil. Its backed up by numerous Hell Gods and Lords of Evil and even the unkillable First Evil. The forces of light, on the other hand, are represented by the Powers that Be, a group of stuck up, arrogant, uncaring deities who really don't care how badly horrible the lives of their chosen Champions happen to get, as long as said Champions toe the line, don't argue, and ''do each and every thing the Powers That Be order them to do'', regardless of the cost to the Champion in question.
3rd Aug '16 11:34:23 AM BaronPraxis
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* In ''Lobo'' 'verse, Satan is kind of the guy you'd expect him to be. But God... he just finds Lobo's [[RageAgainstTheHeavens rampage through Heaven]] funny. When an angel politely asks him to intervene, he throws an empty can of beer at the angel and tells him to get an another one.

to:

* In ''Lobo'' 'verse, Satan is kind of the guy you'd expect him to be. But God... he just finds Lobo's [[RageAgainstTheHeavens rampage through Heaven]] funny. When an angel politely asks him to intervene, he throws an empty can of beer at the angel and tells him to get an another one.
21st Jun '16 12:31:47 PM Morgenthaler
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Creator/PiersAnthony's ''IncarnationsOfImmortality'' series. In ''And Eternity'' it is revealed that God has become obsessed with his own greatness and is completely unresponsive to the outside world, leaving Satan to try to corrupt the world.

to:

* Creator/PiersAnthony's ''IncarnationsOfImmortality'' ''Literature/IncarnationsOfImmortality'' series. In ''And Eternity'' it is revealed that God has become obsessed with his own greatness and is completely unresponsive to the outside world, leaving Satan to try to corrupt the world.
13th Jun '16 11:02:42 AM OrigamiTovaychy
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* The [[LightIsNotGood Sacred Side]] and the [[TheDarkSide Blood Side]] from [[http://space-blood.thecomicseries.com/comics/1 Space Blood]] invoke this trope with the [[TheFundamentalist Zedi]] being closed minded religious Zealots who think [[HeteronormativeCrusader killing a certain sexuality is good]], While the [[ReligionOfEvil Knights of Len]] act as the heretic faith. But are EqualOpportunityEvil. [[spoiler: And it turns out that both sides are born of evil and created the Space Blood universe.]]

to:

* The [[LightIsNotGood Sacred Side]] and the [[TheDarkSide Blood Side]] from [[http://space-blood.''[[http://space-blood.thecomicseries.com/comics/1 Space Blood]] Blood]]'' invoke this trope with the [[TheFundamentalist Zedi]] being closed minded religious Zealots who think [[HeteronormativeCrusader killing a certain sexuality is good]], While the [[ReligionOfEvil Knights of Len]] act as the heretic faith. But are EqualOpportunityEvil. [[spoiler: And it turns out that both sides are born of evil and created the Space Blood universe.]]
13th Jun '16 10:50:00 AM OrigamiTovaychy
Is there an issue? Send a Message



to:

* The [[LightIsNotGood Sacred Side]] and the [[TheDarkSide Blood Side]] from [[http://space-blood.thecomicseries.com/comics/1 Space Blood]] invoke this trope with the [[TheFundamentalist Zedi]] being closed minded religious Zealots who think [[HeteronormativeCrusader killing a certain sexuality is good]], While the [[ReligionOfEvil Knights of Len]] act as the heretic faith. But are EqualOpportunityEvil. [[spoiler: And it turns out that both sides are born of evil and created the Space Blood universe.]]
4th Jun '16 8:48:45 PM WillBGood
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Wendy Alec's ''Chronicle of Brothers'' series, in which the biblical story is re-written as adventure fiction. In which Lucifer, Son of God, comes across as a spoilt petulant brat and throws Teddy in a corner in a big way, on learning that Daddy has new siblings (namely the human race) on the way. Lucifer, like any formerly only child told a baby brother is coming, throws a tantrum and runs away from Home (Heaven), taking a third of the angelic race with him. God is every bit as much a jerkass for letting him go, despite the fact that this opens up Hell as a post-mortem destination for most of humanity and virtually all the fallen angels. And for all his grandiose promises of supplanting God and Christos and whupping their divine arses, every time there is a showdown Luce inevitably gets creamed and despite his intelligence ''does not learn from events'' - there is no match, God always wins. So more arseholery on the part of Satan and fundamentally an unsatisfying read, as being Biblically-literate, we know who's writing the script and we know way in advance who wins. So God is an asshole for not managing the situation better and letting it happen; the Devil is a dick for not realising he can never win. Not, of course, that this is the divine Wendy's motivation for writing the book or the lesson she would have us learn...

to:

* Wendy Alec's ''Chronicle of Brothers'' series, in which the biblical story is re-written as adventure fiction. In which Lucifer, Son of God, comes across as a spoilt petulant brat and throws Teddy in a corner in a big way, on learning that Daddy has new siblings (namely the human race) on the way. Lucifer, like Like any formerly only child told a baby brother is coming, Lucifer throws a tantrum and runs away from Home (Heaven), taking a third of the angelic race with him. God is every bit as much a jerkass {{jerkass}} for letting him go, despite the fact that this opens up Hell as a post-mortem destination for most of humanity and virtually all the fallen angels. And for all his grandiose promises of supplanting God and Christos and whupping their divine arses, every time there is a showdown Luce inevitably gets creamed and despite his intelligence ''does not learn from events'' - there is no match, God always wins. So more arseholery on the part of Satan and fundamentally an unsatisfying read, as being Biblically-literate, we know who's writing the script and we know way in advance who wins. So God is an asshole for not managing the situation better and letting it happen; the Devil is a dick for not realising he can never win. Not, of course, that this is the divine Wendy's motivation for writing the book or the lesson she would have us learn...
1st Jun '16 6:12:18 AM Faolin
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* In ''Valdis Story: The Abyssal City'', Myrgato (Goddess of Darkness) and Alagath (Goddess of Light) are both [[OmnicidalManiac genocidal]] {{Manipulative Bastard}}s who routinely enslave humans and MindRape them into becoming Demons or Angels to fight in their ForeverWar. Myrgato and her Demons are at least honest about their intent to conquer the world, while Alagath's faction are uniformly HolierThanThou KnightTemplar.

to:

* In ''Valdis Story: The ''VideoGame/{{Valdis Story Abyssal City'', City}}'', Myrgato (Goddess of Darkness) and Alagath (Goddess of Light) are both [[OmnicidalManiac genocidal]] {{Manipulative Bastard}}s who routinely enslave humans and MindRape them into becoming Demons or Angels to fight in their ForeverWar. Myrgato and her Demons are at least honest about their intent to conquer the world, while Alagath's faction are uniformly HolierThanThou KnightTemplar.
20th Mar '16 12:16:19 PM Vir
Is there an issue? Send a Message


So, here's the solution: make it so that neither side is all that helpful. In this situation, GodAndSatanAreBothJerks, and neither has humanity's best interests in mind. Hell and Satan will typically be portrayed in the classical fashion, but God and Heaven will usually be portrayed as [[KnightTemplar Knights Templar]] who don't give a crap about humanity, exulting in their own glories or focusing all their firepower on the fight against Hell with little care for civilian casualties.

to:

So, here's the solution: make it so that neither side is all that helpful. In this situation, GodAndSatanAreBothJerks, God and Satan Are Both Jerks, and neither has humanity's best interests in mind. Hell and Satan will typically be portrayed in the classical fashion, but God and Heaven will usually be portrayed as [[KnightTemplar Knights Templar]] who don't give a crap about humanity, exulting in their own glories or focusing all their firepower on the fight against Hell with little care for civilian casualties.
9th Mar '16 3:05:31 PM Materioptikon
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Hell. Lucifer is an [[MoreThanMindControl extremely]] [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] [[TheChessmaster bastard]], YHVH is an utterly [[LackOfEmpathy amoral]] [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans tyrant]], Philemon [[GodsHandsAreTied won't do jack in the face of the Apocalypse]] and abuses his position as ThePowersThatBe to fulfil his agenda, and [[CthulhuMythos Nyarlathotep]] is, well... [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] '''''[[CosmicHorror Nyarlathotep]]'''''. No matter where you look, ''all'' extremes in the alignment axis ''suck''. [[FridgeBrilliance Which makes sense when you really think about it.]]

to:

** Hell. Lucifer is an [[MoreThanMindControl extremely]] [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] [[TheChessmaster bastard]], YHVH is an utterly [[LackOfEmpathy amoral]] [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans tyrant]], Philemon [[GodsHandsAreTied won't do jack in the face of the Apocalypse]] and abuses his position as ThePowersThatBe to fulfil his agenda, and [[CthulhuMythos [[MadeOfEvil Nyarlathotep]] is, well... [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] '''''[[CosmicHorror Nyarlathotep]]'''''.'''''[[TheHeartless Nyar]][[EldritchAbomination lat]][[AsLongAsThereIsEvil hotep]]'''''. No matter where you look, ''all'' extremes in the alignment axis ''suck''. [[FridgeBrilliance Which makes sense when you really think about it.]]
This list shows the last 10 events of 258. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.GodAndSatanAreBothJerks