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22nd May '17 12:33:46 PM Necrodomo
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* This is the opinion of the wholeTranscended side in ''[[NexusWar Nexus Clash]]''. The most prominent gods on both the angelic and demonic sides would be more than willing to sacrifice humanity and free will to get an advantage in their endless war with each other. The Transcended reject their entire rhetoric of good and evil to forge their own path and try to win the war for free will itself, but often risk becoming StupidNeutral as a result.
3rd May '17 1:38:35 PM LordGro
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* In the Creator/BrothersGrimm's fairy tale "Literature/GodfatherDeath" the protagonist's father believes this. He does not want God for a Godfather for his son, because, he gives to rich and lets the poor starve,[[note]]the Grimms were quick to insert a comment about, "how wisely God apportions riches and poverty." However it was not in the original fairy tale and seems oddly out of place, so it may have been edited in to appease offended parties[[/note]] nor the devil, because he is a deceiver. He then chooses Death, because he "takes the rich as well as the poor, without distinction".
** Death was an ''excellent'' godfather, and made the boy's fortune as a doctor. But eventually the godson broke the rules, and therefore Death did not extend his life past its appointed time, as he might possibly have done if less annoyed. Even when the boy broke the rules, all that Death did was let the boy die when he should. Which would have happened if Death wasn't his Godfather anyway.

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* In the Creator/BrothersGrimm's fairy tale "Literature/GodfatherDeath" "Literature/GodfatherDeath", a poor man desperately looks for a godfather for his newborn son. Both God and the protagonist's father believes this. He does not want Devil offer themselves, but the poor man rejects God for a Godfather for his son, because, he gives giving to the rich and lets neglecting the poor starve,[[note]]the Grimms were quick to insert a comment about, "how wisely God apportions riches poor, and poverty." However it was not in the original fairy tale and seems oddly out of place, so it may have been edited in to appease offended parties[[/note]] nor the devil, because he is Devil for being a deceiver. scammer. He then chooses accepts Death, because he "takes is the rich as well as only one of the poor, without distinction".
** Death was an ''excellent'' godfather, and made the boy's fortune as a doctor. But eventually the godson broke the rules, and therefore Death did not extend his life past its appointed time, as he might possibly have done if less annoyed. Even when the boy broke the rules, all that Death did was let the boy die when he should. Which would have happened if Death wasn't his Godfather anyway.
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1st May '17 9:32:34 PM ElSquibbonator
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* ''WesternAnimation/SauasageParty'' has this as its theme. The "gods"--that is, the shoppers at the supermarket-- just want to eat the food characters, whereas the "Dark Lord"--the supermarket custodian-- throws the food away once it's passed its expiration date. Both are highly undesirable fates for the food, although [[spoiler: most of them don't know the "gods" eat them until the protagonist finds out firsthand.]]

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* ''WesternAnimation/SauasageParty'' ''WesternAnimation/SausageParty'' has this as its theme. The "gods"--that is, the shoppers at the supermarket-- just want to eat the food characters, whereas the "Dark Lord"--the supermarket custodian-- throws the food away once it's passed its expiration date. Both are highly undesirable fates for the food, although [[spoiler: most of them don't know the "gods" eat them until the protagonist finds out firsthand.]]
1st May '17 9:31:01 PM ElSquibbonator
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* ''WesternAnimation/SauasageParty'' has this as its theme. The "gods"--that is, the shoppers at the supermarket-- just want to eat the food characters, whereas the "Dark Lord"--the supermarket custodian-- throws the food away once it's passed its expiration date. Both are highly undesirable fates for the food, although [[spoiler: most of them don't know the "gods" eat them until the protagonist finds out firsthand.]]



* In the ''Literature/HisDarkMaterials'' trilogy, God was the first being created out of nothing and [[spoiler:lied to all the angels that came after. He became senile and powerless over the eons, and was eventually killed by two children when they tried to release him from the prison in which Metatron was keeping him]].

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* In the ''Literature/HisDarkMaterials'' trilogy, God was the first being created out of nothing and [[spoiler:lied to all the angels that came after.after saying that he created them. He became senile and powerless over the eons, and was eventually killed by two children when they tried to release him from the prison in which Metatron was keeping him]].
17th Apr '17 11:48:51 PM ChrisX
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* The ''Franchise/BlazBlue'' series is ultimately revealed to have this going on. The SatanicArchetype is [[CardCarryingVillain Yuuki Terumi]][[spoiler:, aka Takehaya Susano'o no Mikoto (yes, THAT Susano'o)]], who is gleefully unrepentant of all the atrocities he commits because he hates Amaterasu that much. Speaking of Amaterasu, it was originally perceived as a benevolent figure that reset the timeline to prevent certain calamity... until we realize exactly what that "calamity" really is. [[spoiler:The Origin, the entity that inhabits the Amaterasu unit, originally wanted to be saved from her fate as the "god" of the world, but the "hero" of her story either got lost, swore off his fate, or got destroyed, and Amaterasu rewrote the story from scratch every single time this happened... and '''only''' when this happened, regardless of all other calamity that befell the world, usually caused in some capacity by Terumi's handiwork. The "hero" in question is none other than Ragna the Bloodedge in every instance.]] After all that, is it no wonder [[TheArchmage Nine]] and [[MadScientist Relius Clover]] both couldn't possibly care less about Terumi ''and'' wish to see Amaterasu destroyed and replaced?

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* The ''Franchise/BlazBlue'' series is ultimately revealed to have this going on. The SatanicArchetype is [[CardCarryingVillain Yuuki Terumi]][[spoiler:, aka Takehaya Susano'o no Mikoto (yes, THAT Susano'o)]], who is gleefully unrepentant of all the atrocities he commits because he hates Amaterasu that much. Speaking of Amaterasu, it was originally perceived as a benevolent figure that reset the timeline to prevent certain calamity... until we realize exactly what that "calamity" really is. [[spoiler:The Origin, the entity that inhabits the Amaterasu unit, originally wanted to be saved from her fate as the "god" of the world, but the "hero" of her story either got lost, swore off his fate, or got destroyed, and Amaterasu rewrote the story from scratch every single time this happened... and '''only''' when this happened, regardless of all other calamity that befell the world, usually caused in some capacity by Terumi's handiwork. The "hero" in question is none other than Ragna the Bloodedge in every instance.]] In other words, the resident 'God' doesn't want her position and wanted to be saved from it, but can't do it herself, therefore she picked a hero and kept repeating the world's events until the hero saves her, any other suffering of another person living in that world, she wouldn't give a damn, [[ItsAllAboutMe as long as she gets saved from the position she never wanted.]]]] After all that, is it no wonder [[TheArchmage Nine]] and [[MadScientist Relius Clover]] both couldn't possibly care less about Terumi ''and'' wish to see Amaterasu destroyed and replaced?
16th Apr '17 7:37:03 AM LordGro
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* The Mexican movie ''Macario'' is related to the below fairy tale 'Godfather Death', but a lot of the circumstances are changed, and apparently ItWasAllJustADream.

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* The Mexican movie ''Macario'' is related to the below fairy tale 'Godfather Death', "Literature/GodfatherDeath", but a lot of the circumstances are changed, and apparently ItWasAllJustADream.



* In the one of Creator/TheBrothersGrimm's fairytales [[http://www.surlalunefairytales.com/godfatherdeath/index.html#FIVERET "Godfather Death"]] the protagonist's father believes this. He does not want God for a Godfather for his son, because, he gives to rich and lets the poor starve,[[note]]the Grimms were quick to insert a comment about, "how wisely God apportions riches and poverty." However it was not in the original fairy tale and seems oddly out of place, so it may have been edited in to appease offended parties[[/note]] nor the devil, because he is a deceiver. He then chooses Death, because he "takes the rich as well as the poor, without distinction".

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* In the one of Creator/TheBrothersGrimm's fairytales [[http://www.surlalunefairytales.com/godfatherdeath/index.html#FIVERET "Godfather Death"]] Creator/BrothersGrimm's fairy tale "Literature/GodfatherDeath" the protagonist's father believes this. He does not want God for a Godfather for his son, because, he gives to rich and lets the poor starve,[[note]]the Grimms were quick to insert a comment about, "how wisely God apportions riches and poverty." However it was not in the original fairy tale and seems oddly out of place, so it may have been edited in to appease offended parties[[/note]] nor the devil, because he is a deceiver. He then chooses Death, because he "takes the rich as well as the poor, without distinction".
26th Mar '17 2:54:18 PM Fireblood
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* Wendy Alec's ''Chronicle of Brothers'' series, in which the biblical story is re-written as adventure fiction. Lucifer, Son of God, comes across as a spoilt petulant brat and throws Teddy in a corner in a big way, on learning that Daddy has new siblings (namely the human race) on the way. Like any formerly only child told a baby brother is coming, Lucifer throws a tantrum and runs away from Home (Heaven), taking a third of the angelic race with him. God is every bit as much a {{jerkass}} for letting him go, despite the fact that this opens up Hell as a post-mortem destination for most of humanity and virtually all the fallen angels. And for all his grandiose promises of supplanting God and Christos and whupping their divine arses, every time there is a showdown Luce inevitably gets creamed and despite his intelligence ''does not learn from events'' - there is no match, God always wins. So God is an asshole for not managing the situation better and letting it happen; the Devil is a dick for not realising he can never win.

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* Wendy Alec's ''Chronicle of Brothers'' series, in which the biblical story is re-written as adventure fiction. Lucifer, Son of God, comes across as a spoilt petulant brat and throws Teddy in a corner in a big way, on learning that Daddy has new siblings (namely the human race) on the way. Like any formerly only child told a baby brother is coming, Lucifer throws a tantrum and runs away from Home (Heaven), taking a third of the angelic race with him. God is every bit as much a {{jerkass}} for letting him go, despite the fact that this opens up Hell as a post-mortem destination for most of humanity and virtually all the fallen angels. And for all his grandiose promises of supplanting God and Christos and whupping their divine arses, every time there is a showdown Luce inevitably gets creamed and despite his intelligence ''does not learn from events'' - there is no match, God always wins. So God is an asshole for not managing the situation better and letting it happen; the Devil is a dick for not realising realizing he can never win.



* [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVgZqnsytJI DarkMatter2525's interpretation of the book of Job]] from the bible. In it he argues that both God and Satan are [[{{Deconstruction}} being Jerks for forcing Job to undergo such suffering for what is essentially a bet between them for their own amusement.]] The whole time StraightMan angel Jeffery constantly pleads with them to stop because he rightly thinks that what's happening to Job is wrong.

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* ''WebAnimation/DarkMatter2525'''s [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVgZqnsytJI DarkMatter2525's interpretation of the book Book of Job]] from the bible. Bible. In it he argues that both God and Satan are [[{{Deconstruction}} being Jerks jerks for forcing Job to undergo such suffering for what is essentially a bet between them for their own amusement.]] The whole time StraightMan angel Jeffery constantly pleads with them to stop because he rightly thinks that what's happening to Job is wrong.
26th Mar '17 10:46:58 AM Fireblood
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16th Dec '16 1:28:50 PM AtticusOmundson
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* Inverted in ''LightNovel/HighschoolDXD''. The main characters are all devils, and the main romantic interest, Rias, is in fact the acting Satan's younger sister. However, they are all [[NobleDemon noble demons]] (albeit some rather [[HornyDevils perverted]]), and the series takes great pains to show that demons, angels, [[FallenAngel fallen angels]], and simple humans are all really no different from each other. The only thing that separates the three former races from the latter is that they have magic powers, and the only thing that separates them from each other is how they go about granting humans' desires: Angels do it for free while demons and fallen angels request payment for their help, but nothing on the level of selling their soul or the like; normally, a simple monetary payment will suffice. Some demons are shown to be as nice and civil as can be, while angels prove that they can huge dickheads if they wish, as well. In fact, the only reason the three races even fought in the first place was because God was worried the demons might decide to rise up against Him, so decided to strike first, using TheBible as a propaganda piece to rile the angels into war.

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* Inverted in ''LightNovel/HighschoolDXD''. The main characters are all devils, and the main romantic interest, Rias, is in fact the acting Satan's younger sister. However, they are all [[NobleDemon noble demons]] (albeit some rather [[HornyDevils perverted]]), and the series takes great pains to show that demons, angels, [[FallenAngel fallen angels]], and simple humans are all really no different from each other. The only thing that separates the three former races from the latter is that they have magic powers, and the only thing that separates them from each other is how they go about granting humans' desires: Angels do it for free while demons and fallen angels request payment for their help, but nothing on the level of selling their soul or the like; normally, a simple monetary payment will suffice. Some demons are shown to be as nice and civil as can be, while angels prove that they can be huge dickheads if they wish, as well. In fact, the only reason the three races even fought in the first place was because God was worried the demons might decide to rise up against Him, so decided to strike first, using TheBible as a propaganda piece to rile the angels into war.
14th Dec '16 8:59:59 PM AtticusOmundson
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* Inverted in ''LightNovel/HighschoolDXD''. The main characters are all devils, and the main romantic interest, Rias, is in fact the acting Satan's younger sister. However, they are all [[NobleDemon noble demons]] (albeit some rather [[HornyDevils perverted]]), and the series takes great pains to show that demons, angels, [[FallenAngel fallen angels]], and simple humans are all really no different from each other. The only thing that separates the three former races from the latter is that they have magic powers, and the only thing that separates them from each other is how they go about granting humans' desires: Angels do it for free while demons and fallen angels request payment for their help, but nothing on the level of selling their soul or the like; normally, a simple monetary payment will suffice. Some demons are shown to be as nice and civil as can be, while angels prove that they can huge dickheads if they wish, as well. In fact, the only reason the three races even fought in the first place was because God was worried the demons might decide to rise up against Him, so decided to strike first, using TheBible as a propaganda piece to rile the angels into war.
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