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23rd Nov '16 8:39:21 AM CerotechOmega
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* ''VideoGame/{{Bayonetta}}'' has this. Demons are genuinely evil, interspersed with a few {{Noble Demon}}s who are honest about their brutality and intentions but can be at least relied on to uphold a deal... until the deal is meet. Angels ''look'' pretty but are actually monstrous once you get past their gold and marble outer appearance, to say nothing of their personalities. Despite this, both angels and demons have mortal servants in the form the [[LightIsGood Lumen Sages]] and [[DarkIsNotEvil Umbra Witches]] who are both noble organizations, not that this stops angels and demons using both of them for their own desires.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Bayonetta}}'' has this. Demons are genuinely evil, interspersed with a few {{Noble Demon}}s who are honest about their brutality and intentions but can be at least relied on to uphold a deal... until the deal is meet.met. Angels ''look'' pretty but are actually monstrous once you get past their gold and marble outer appearance, to say nothing of their personalities. Despite this, both angels and demons have mortal servants in the form the [[LightIsGood Lumen Sages]] and [[DarkIsNotEvil Umbra Witches]] who are both noble organizations, not that this stops angels and demons using both of them for their own desires.


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* The ''Franchise/BlazBlue'' series is ultimately revealed to have this going on. The SatanicArchetype is [[CardCarryingVillain Yuuki Terumi]][[spoiler:, aka Takehaya Susano'o no Mikoto (yes, THAT Susano'o)]], who is gleefully unrepentant of all the atrocities he commits because he hates Amaterasu that much. Speaking of Amaterasu, it was originally perceived as a benevolent figure that reset the timeline to prevent certain calamity... until we realize exactly what that "calamity" really is. [[spoiler:The Origin, the entity that inhabits the Amaterasu unit, originally wanted to be saved from her fate as the "god" of the world, but the "hero" of her story either got lost, swore off his fate, or got destroyed, and Amaterasu rewrote the story from scratch every single time this happened... and '''only''' when this happened, regardless of all other calamity that befell the world, usually caused in some capacity by Terumi's handiwork. The "hero" in question is none other than Ragna the Bloodedge in every instance.]] After all that, is it no wonder [[TheArchmage Nine]] and [[MadScientist Relius Clover]] both couldn't possibly care less about Terumi ''and'' wish to see Amaterasu destroyed and replaced?
23rd Nov '16 6:04:39 AM Morgenthaler
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-->-- '''[[TheVampireChronicles Lestat]]''', ''Memnoch the Devil''

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-->-- '''[[TheVampireChronicles Lestat]]''', ''Memnoch the Devil''
'''Lestat''', ''Literature/MemnochTheDevil''
2nd Nov '16 4:00:32 PM nombretomado
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* In the ''HisDarkMaterials'' trilogy, God was the first being created out of nothing and [[spoiler:lied to all the angels that came after. He became senile and powerless over the eons, and was eventually killed by two children when they tried to release him from the prison in which Metatron was keeping him]].

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* In the ''HisDarkMaterials'' ''Literature/HisDarkMaterials'' trilogy, God was the first being created out of nothing and [[spoiler:lied to all the angels that came after. He became senile and powerless over the eons, and was eventually killed by two children when they tried to release him from the prison in which Metatron was keeping him]].
15th Oct '16 8:36:31 AM godzillavkk
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* ''VideoGame/{{Bayonetta}}'' has this. Demons are genuinely evil, interspersed with a few {{Noble Demon}}s who are honest about their brutality and intentions but can be at least relied on to uphold a deal. Angels ''look'' pretty but are actually monstrous once you get past their gold and marble outer appearance, to say nothing of their personalities.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Bayonetta}}'' has this. Demons are genuinely evil, interspersed with a few {{Noble Demon}}s who are honest about their brutality and intentions but can be at least relied on to uphold a deal.deal... until the deal is meet. Angels ''look'' pretty but are actually monstrous once you get past their gold and marble outer appearance, to say nothing of their personalities. Despite this, both angels and demons have mortal servants in the form the [[LightIsGood Lumen Sages]] and [[DarkIsNotEvil Umbra Witches]] who are both noble organizations, not that this stops angels and demons using both of them for their own desires.
6th Oct '16 2:01:15 AM Psychadelico
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* ''Literature/GoodOmens'' puts a marginally less religiously offensive spin on this trope: Satan and ''Metatron'' (the supreme angel) are both jerks that see humanity as being merely pawns in the greater war between Good and Evil, and both are quite ready to wipe out everyone on Earth when Armageddon goes down. God Himself, however, generally stays out of the picture [[spoiler: until the ending, where it's implied that He's been manipulating both the angels ''and'' the demons and probably has Humanity's best interest in mind.]]

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* ''Literature/GoodOmens'' puts a marginally less religiously offensive spin on this trope: Satan and ''Metatron'' (the supreme angel) are both jerks that see humanity as being merely pawns in the greater war between Good and Evil, and both are quite ready to wipe out everyone on Earth when Armageddon goes down. God Himself, however, generally stays out of the picture [[spoiler: until the ending, where it's implied that He's been manipulating both the angels ''and'' the demons and probably has Humanity's best interest in mind.]] [[CosmicChessGame Or at the very least considers the apocalypse a lose condition.]]]]
19th Sep '16 8:20:39 PM PaulA
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* Creator/PiersAnthony's ''Literature/IncarnationsOfImmortality'' series. In ''And Eternity'' it is revealed that God has become obsessed with his own greatness and is completely unresponsive to the outside world, leaving Satan to try to corrupt the world.
** On the other hand, Satan's only an asshole because it's his job as Incarnation of Evil, and actively works to have God replaced by someone that will run things properly.
10th Sep '16 3:05:28 AM ACW
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* ''WesternAnimation/TronUprising:'' Clu (the "devil" of the setting) is indeed a CompleteMonster, with a lengthy track record of genocide, torture, murder, and tyranny already. However, Flynn (the "god" in this setting) isn't all that flatteringly portrayed either; enamored with the Isos to the point of neglecting the Programs, seemingly oblivious to The Grid tearing itself apart from the strain, doesn't bother to heal Dyson's horrific facial wound ([[MistreatmentInducedBetrayal which is a major factor to Dyson deciding to throw his lot in with Clu]]), and unlike what he stated in ''Film/TronLegacy'', there is absolutely ''no'' evidence he did anything to help the Programs after the coup. At best, Satan is a Jerk and GodIsInept,

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* ''WesternAnimation/TronUprising:'' Clu (the "devil" of the setting) is indeed a CompleteMonster, evil, with a lengthy track record of genocide, torture, murder, and tyranny already. However, Flynn (the "god" in this setting) isn't all that flatteringly portrayed either; enamored with the Isos to the point of neglecting the Programs, seemingly oblivious to The Grid tearing itself apart from the strain, doesn't bother to heal Dyson's horrific facial wound ([[MistreatmentInducedBetrayal which is a major factor to Dyson deciding to throw his lot in with Clu]]), and unlike what he stated in ''Film/TronLegacy'', there is absolutely ''no'' evidence he did anything to help the Programs after the coup. At best, Satan is a Jerk and GodIsInept,
7th Sep '16 7:00:06 AM Allronix
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* ''WesternAnimation/TronUprising:'' Clu (the "devil" of the setting) is indeed a CompleteMonster, with a lengthy track record of genocide, torture, murder, and tyranny already. However, Flynn (the "god" in this setting) isn't all that flatteringly portrayed either; enamored with the Isos to the point of neglecting the Programs, seemingly oblivious to The Grid tearing itself apart from the strain, doesn't bother to heal Dyson's horrific facial wound (which is a major factor to Dyson deciding to throw his lot in with Clu), and unlike what he stated in ''Film/TronLegacy'', there is absolutely ''no'' evidence he did anything to help the Programs after the coup. At best, Satan is a Jerk and GodIsInept,

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* ''WesternAnimation/TronUprising:'' Clu (the "devil" of the setting) is indeed a CompleteMonster, with a lengthy track record of genocide, torture, murder, and tyranny already. However, Flynn (the "god" in this setting) isn't all that flatteringly portrayed either; enamored with the Isos to the point of neglecting the Programs, seemingly oblivious to The Grid tearing itself apart from the strain, doesn't bother to heal Dyson's horrific facial wound (which ([[MistreatmentInducedBetrayal which is a major factor to Dyson deciding to throw his lot in with Clu), Clu]]), and unlike what he stated in ''Film/TronLegacy'', there is absolutely ''no'' evidence he did anything to help the Programs after the coup. At best, Satan is a Jerk and GodIsInept,
7th Sep '16 6:56:59 AM Allronix
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* ''WesternAnimation/TronUprising:'' Clu (the "devil" of the setting) is indeed a CompleteMonster, with a lengthy track record of genocide, torture, murder, and tyranny already. However, Flynn (the "god" in this setting) isn't all that flatteringly portrayed either; enamored with the Isos to the point of neglecting the Programs, seemingly oblivious to The Grid tearing itself apart from the strain, doesn't bother to heal Dyson's horrific facial wound (which is a major factor to Dyson deciding to throw his lot in with Clu), and unlike what he stated in ''Film/TronLegacy'', there is absolutely ''no'' evidence he did anything to help the Programs after the coup. At best, Satan is a Jerk and GodIsInept,
10th Aug '16 5:27:40 PM TheNerevarine
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* ComicBook/LadyDeath had {{Satan}} as BigBad for her classic continuity and the forces of Heaven were depicted as not much better than the demons, using the souls of mortals who ascend to paradise to fuel a war machine in their war against {{Hell}}. {{God}} appeared briefly in one story as a DirtyOldMan who hits on the titular heroine and offers to "create the next Messiah" with her, however its revealed that is in fact, an illusion by the Devil and not the real one.
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