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20th Mar '16 12:16:19 PM Vir
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So, here's the solution: make it so that neither side is all that helpful. In this situation, GodAndSatanAreBothJerks, and neither has humanity's best interests in mind. Hell and Satan will typically be portrayed in the classical fashion, but God and Heaven will usually be portrayed as [[KnightTemplar Knights Templar]] who don't give a crap about humanity, exulting in their own glories or focusing all their firepower on the fight against Hell with little care for civilian casualties.

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So, here's the solution: make it so that neither side is all that helpful. In this situation, GodAndSatanAreBothJerks, God and Satan Are Both Jerks, and neither has humanity's best interests in mind. Hell and Satan will typically be portrayed in the classical fashion, but God and Heaven will usually be portrayed as [[KnightTemplar Knights Templar]] who don't give a crap about humanity, exulting in their own glories or focusing all their firepower on the fight against Hell with little care for civilian casualties.
9th Mar '16 3:05:31 PM Materioptikon
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** Hell. Lucifer is an [[MoreThanMindControl extremely]] [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] [[TheChessmaster bastard]], YHVH is an utterly [[LackOfEmpathy amoral]] [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans tyrant]], Philemon [[GodsHandsAreTied won't do jack in the face of the Apocalypse]] and abuses his position as ThePowersThatBe to fulfil his agenda, and [[CthulhuMythos Nyarlathotep]] is, well... [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] '''''[[CosmicHorror Nyarlathotep]]'''''. No matter where you look, ''all'' extremes in the alignment axis ''suck''. [[FridgeBrilliance Which makes sense when you really think about it.]]

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** Hell. Lucifer is an [[MoreThanMindControl extremely]] [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative]] [[TheChessmaster bastard]], YHVH is an utterly [[LackOfEmpathy amoral]] [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans tyrant]], Philemon [[GodsHandsAreTied won't do jack in the face of the Apocalypse]] and abuses his position as ThePowersThatBe to fulfil his agenda, and [[CthulhuMythos [[MadeOfEvil Nyarlathotep]] is, well... [[PrecisionFStrike fucking]] '''''[[CosmicHorror Nyarlathotep]]'''''.'''''[[TheHeartless Nyar]][[EldritchAbomination lat]][[AsLongAsThereIsEvil hotep]]'''''. No matter where you look, ''all'' extremes in the alignment axis ''suck''. [[FridgeBrilliance Which makes sense when you really think about it.]]
10th Feb '16 5:30:40 PM Aipom14
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* In ''WebOriginal/TheSalvationWar'' the story begins with Yahweh telling humans to just lay low and die and give up their souls to be tortured in hell because the gates of heaven have been barred for centuries. [[RageAgainstTheHeavens Mankind takes it as well as you would expect.]]

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* In ''WebOriginal/TheSalvationWar'' the story begins with Yahweh telling humans to just lay low and die and give up their souls to be tortured in hell because the gates of heaven have been barred for centuries. [[RageAgainstTheHeavens Mankind takes it as well as you would expect.]]
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* ''WebVideo/VinesauceTomodachiLife'' features versions of both Jesus and Satan on the island (which is ''far'' from the weirdest thing to happen there), and they zig-zag this trope. Satan is naturally demonic and deep-voiced, and has expressed interest in [[spoiler:deleting the island]], but also has plenty of friends, dresses in stupid outfits, and lives in a fluffy, bright apartment, so he's AffablyEvil in the end. Meanwhile, Jesus is considered [[JesusWasWayCool way cool]] by the islanders and Vinny himself, and is known for spreading forgiveness around, but he has an [[ItsAllAboutMe ego problem]] that has made him cause more havoc than Satan thanks to [[spoiler:helping to split the timeline by [[ResetButton resetting the game]] ''twice'', with the second time being a clearly deliberate attempt to remove evidence of Satan showing forgiveness]]. The tipping factor is that they both have allied with [[VideoGame/TheBindingOfIsaac Isaac]], an islander who's on the extreme chaotic end of OrderVersusChaos at best, and the most threatening thing on Vineland at worst.
22nd Jan '16 7:41:37 PM FF32
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* ''Series/{{Reaper}}''. The Devil is the obvious JerkAss, but all we see of God is him telling an angel to break Sam's hand so that the Devil owns both Sam and Andi's souls. However, this may also be a case of LeaveThePlotThreadsHanging, as the angel in question (along with swarms of other angels) departs with a cryptic statement implying that God has some further plan in play.

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* ''Series/{{Reaper}}''. The Devil is the obvious JerkAss, but all we see of God is him telling an angel to break Sam's hand so that the Devil owns both Sam and Andi's souls. However, this may also be a case of LeaveThePlotThreadsHanging, a RiddleForTheAges, as the angel in question (along with swarms of other angels) departs with a cryptic statement implying that God has some further plan in play.
12th Jan '16 5:07:57 PM nombretomado
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* In RuneScape, Zamorak and Saradomin, the stand ins for Satan and God have both committed atrocious acts.

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* In RuneScape, ''VideoGame/RuneScape'', Zamorak and Saradomin, the stand ins for Satan and God have both committed atrocious acts.
31st Dec '15 12:40:18 AM Anddrix
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* In ''{{Lobo}}'' 'verse, Satan is kind of the guy you'd expect him to be. But God... he just finds Lobo's [[RageAgainstTheHeavens rampage through Heaven]] funny. When an angel politely asks him to intervene, he throws an empty can of beer at the angel and tells him to get an another one.

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* In ''{{Lobo}}'' ''Lobo'' 'verse, Satan is kind of the guy you'd expect him to be. But God... he just finds Lobo's [[RageAgainstTheHeavens rampage through Heaven]] funny. When an angel politely asks him to intervene, he throws an empty can of beer at the angel and tells him to get an another one.
16th Dec '15 10:13:32 PM CassandraLeo
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* In Creator/MichaelMoorcock's cosmology, Law and Chaos both tend to be complete {{Jerk Ass}}es who don't care in the slightest how their struggles affect mortals.

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* In Creator/MichaelMoorcock's cosmology, Law and Chaos both tend to be complete {{Jerk Ass}}es who don't care in the slightest how their struggles affect mortals. The best hope for humanity tends to be to {{Kill the God}}s, if that's possible. If it's not, you're probably headed for a DownerEnding.
16th Dec '15 10:11:55 PM CassandraLeo
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* In Creator/MichaelMoorcock's cosmology, Law and Chaos both tend to be complete {{Jerk Ass}}es who don't care in the slightest how their struggles affect mortals.


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* One common lyrical approach in BlackMetal is to portray God and Satan as NotSoDifferent. Perhaps the most extreme example of this is Music/DeathspellOmega, who tend to portray both as nearly {{Eldritch Abomination}}s.

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2nd Dec '15 12:36:50 PM Dravencour
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* In ''LightNovel/{{Slayers}} the Demons and their Mazoku underlings are without any doubt evil, out to destroy everything, but the Dragons, supposedly the good guys under the gods, have no qualms about committing genocide or even sacrificing their own for "peace", pushing them just as far on the jerkiness scale. And even put UpToEleven with [[spoiler:Darkstar Dubranidgdu who is an OmnicidalManiac merged from both the highest good and evil of the Darkstar plane, both agreed to merge, just so they can go all out to destroy everything to end their eternal war]].

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* In ''LightNovel/{{Slayers}} ''LightNovel/{{Slayers}}'', the Demons and their Mazoku underlings are without any doubt evil, out to destroy everything, but the Dragons, supposedly the good guys under the gods, have no qualms about committing genocide or even sacrificing their own for "peace", pushing them just as far on the jerkiness scale. And even put UpToEleven with [[spoiler:Darkstar Dubranidgdu who is an OmnicidalManiac merged from both the highest good and evil of the Darkstar plane, both agreed to merge, just so they can go all out to destroy everything to end their eternal war]].
19th Nov '15 6:03:53 PM ChrisX
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** [[AllThereInTheManual And it's explained in some of the supplementary works]] that a portion of the angels actively despise humanity because they are partly descended from demons, and would be perfectly happy to see humanity wiped out. This is mostly displayed in Imperius and Malthael, who had the reasoning that the humans' demonic essence makes them disgusting and despicable.. However, the other angels aside of Tyrael; Auriel and Itherael; are more considerate towards humanity and prefers that they do not get destroyed. All in all, it's more like 60% Angels are fine with humanity, 40% despise them. But... read on.

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** [[AllThereInTheManual And it's explained in some of the supplementary works]] that a portion of the angels actively despise humanity because they are partly descended from demons, and would be perfectly happy to see humanity wiped out. This is mostly displayed in Imperius and Malthael, who had the reasoning that the humans' demonic essence makes them disgusting and despicable.. However, the other angels aside of Tyrael; Auriel and Itherael; are more considerate towards humanity and prefers that they do not get destroyed. All in all, it's more like 60% Angels are fine with humanity, 40% despise them. But...But, the 40% also happen to be of higher hierarchy thus more likely listened to or be the picture of Angels overall and... read on.



** The PlayerCharacter, no matter who they are, also starts to have this attitude towards the end of the "Reaper of Souls" expansion pack. Reading their journals seems to imply that the nephalem are starting to think of both angels and demons as monsters. The ending, after the player has killed Maltheal, also has Tyrael worrying that the nephalem could be tempted to [[KillEmAll go after both angels and demons]], and could potentially doom everyone.

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** The PlayerCharacter, no matter who they are, also starts to have this attitude towards the end of the "Reaper of Souls" expansion pack. Reading their journals seems to imply that the nephalem are starting to think of both angels and demons as monsters.monsters, as they seem to be more interested in 'winning the Eternal Conflict', in order to attain domination on all realms, and all they see about the result of Eternal Conflict is nothing but destruction and suffering of the innocents. The ending, after the player has killed Maltheal, also has Tyrael worrying that the nephalem could be tempted to [[KillEmAll go after both angels and demons]], and could potentially doom everyone.
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