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15th Mar '17 3:57:17 PM Doug86
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* In early editions of ''{{TabletopGame/Warhammer}}'', it was possible for weapons and people from ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40K'' to find their way into the Chaos Wastes. This is less damaging than most examples, since there's no way to jump-start an industrial revolution from an object that takes stupidly-advanced tech to make. Especially considering that the primary engineers and technicians of the 40K setting are so reliant on barely-understood and religiously revered ancient tech that they themselves nearly constitute a CargoCult.

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* In early editions of ''{{TabletopGame/Warhammer}}'', ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'', it was possible for weapons and people from ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40K'' ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'' to find their way into the Chaos Wastes. This is less damaging than most examples, since there's no way to jump-start an industrial revolution from an object that takes stupidly-advanced tech to make. Especially considering that the primary engineers and technicians of the 40K setting are so reliant on barely-understood and religiously revered ancient tech that they themselves nearly constitute a CargoCult.
12th Mar '17 10:23:26 PM AthenaBlue
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* ''Series/DoctorWho''
** The Meddling Monk was planning this, talking about how Shakespeare would get to write for the TV.
** In "The Time Warrior", Linx the Sontaran plans to give a medieval warlord firearms.
* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' did this in the episode "A Matter of Time", where Berlinghoff Rasmussen, an "inventor" from the 22nd century, traveled to the future to steal technology which he could then reverse engineer and subsequently sell for profit.[[note]]Rasmussen stole his time machine from 26th century time travelers, but he didn't fully understand how it worked, which limited his ability to fully utilize it.[[/note]]
* ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' lifted this plot for the "Future's End" two-parter. A captain of a Time Ship from the 29th century gets stranded on Earth in the 1960s. A camping hippy finds the crash, and reverse engineers its technology to completely invent the Computer Age, draw out all the profits he can make from everything from the ship (and continually revolutionize his own revolutions) for as long as possible.
* ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'':
** "A Private Little War". The Klingons are arming an Iron Age culture with increasingly sophisticated black powder muskets (rifled barrels were about to be introduced when Kirk and company intervene). TheFederation responds in kind by similarly arming a different faction of that culture in a very {{anvilicious}} parable about the UsefulNotes/ColdWar.
** A similar thing happens in "A Piece of the Action": The inhabitants of an imitative culture get a book from a visiting starship, "Chicago Mobs of the '30s", and model their entire society around it. When [=McCoy=] discovers he's left his communicator behind, Kirk postulates that they may find it and remodel their society after Federation technology.
* Alex does a fairly simplistic version in ''Series/AshesToAshes'', when in order to smoke out a suspect from several possibilities without arousing suspicion, she decides to (her words) "invent speed dating twenty years early".
* Its predecessor series ''Series/LifeOnMars2006'' has this in abundance- Sam is always trying to introduce modern policing methods, apply his future knowledge and so on, much to the ire of Gene Hunt. As well as other non-police-related things (having a TV in a pub, chicken in a basket, etc.)
* The time travel arc of ''Series/{{Galactica 1980}}'' is constructed about this. Realizing that Earth's technology would be insufficient to repel the Cylons were the Galacticans to reveal themselves to the earthmen, radical scientist Xavier researches Earth's past and decides that the best course of action to advance Earth's technology is to give the Nazis rocket technology which would allow them to win WWII. Fortunately the heroes have followed him to the past and thwart the attempt.
* ''Series/{{Timecop}}'': In "Rocket Science", a German yuppie travels to the 40s and introduces enhancements to Nazi technology. Slightly justified in that he had already done all the research he needs in order to improve their tech. When Logan goes back ([[ItMakesSenseInContext again]]) to stop him, he walks into his lab, where a German scientist is trying to figure out how to work the yuppie's laptop. The Nazi is obviously having trouble with a concept such as a portable computer. Logan simply smashes the laptop and leaves. Of course, he leaves all the pieces in the past, which means there should still be a potential for reverse-engineering it.
* An accidental example in ''{{Series/Journeyman}}'' episode "The Hanged Man", when Dan accidentally leaves a digital camera in 1984. He goes to work at the newspaper and sees holographic screens and video-playing paper. It's all well and good until he also finds out that his son was never born because of a malfunction with the new systems at work when he was supposed to have sex with his wife. Instead, a daughter is conceived later. He ends up going back and stealing the camera (well, it's not really stealing, since the camera is his anyway) from a tech company in the process of studying its microchip.
* In ''{{Series/Misfits}}'' an old Jewish man goes back in time [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct to kill Hitler]]. He fails and drops his mobile phone, which enables the Nazis to develop better technology and win the war, taking over Britain. Kelly gets the time travel power and is able to [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong get the mobile]] away from Hitler, along with [[KickTheSonOfABitch beating him up]].

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* ''Series/DoctorWho''
** The Meddling Monk was planning this, talking about how Shakespeare would get to write for the TV.
** In "The Time Warrior", Linx the Sontaran plans to give a medieval warlord firearms.
* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' did this in the episode "A Matter of Time", where Berlinghoff Rasmussen, an "inventor" from the 22nd century, traveled to the future to steal technology which he could then reverse engineer and subsequently sell for profit.[[note]]Rasmussen stole his time machine from 26th century time travelers, but he didn't fully understand how it worked, which limited his ability to fully utilize it.[[/note]]
* ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' lifted this plot for the "Future's End" two-parter. A captain of a Time Ship from the 29th century gets stranded on Earth in the 1960s. A camping hippy finds the crash, and reverse engineers its technology to completely invent the Computer Age, draw out all the profits he can make from everything from the ship (and continually revolutionize his own revolutions) for as long as possible.
* ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'':
** "A Private Little War". The Klingons are arming an Iron Age culture with increasingly sophisticated black powder muskets (rifled barrels were about to be introduced when Kirk and company intervene). TheFederation responds in kind by similarly arming a different faction of that culture in a very {{anvilicious}} parable about the UsefulNotes/ColdWar.
** A similar thing happens in "A Piece of the Action": The inhabitants of an imitative culture get a book from a visiting starship, "Chicago Mobs of the '30s", and model their entire society around it. When [=McCoy=] discovers he's left his communicator behind, Kirk postulates that they may find it and remodel their society after Federation technology.
* Alex does a fairly simplistic version in ''Series/AshesToAshes'', when in order to smoke out a suspect from several possibilities without arousing suspicion, she decides to (her words) "invent speed dating twenty years early".
* Its predecessor series ''Series/LifeOnMars2006'' has this in abundance- Sam is always trying to introduce modern policing methods, apply his future knowledge and so on, much to the ire of Gene Hunt. As well as other non-police-related things (having a TV in a pub, chicken in a basket, etc.)
* The time travel arc of ''Series/{{Galactica 1980}}'' ''Series/BattlestarGalactica1980'' is constructed about this. Realizing that Earth's technology would be insufficient to repel the Cylons were the Galacticans to reveal themselves to the earthmen, radical scientist Xavier researches Earth's past and decides that the best course of action to advance Earth's technology is to give the Nazis rocket technology which would allow them to win WWII. Fortunately the heroes have followed him to the past and thwart the attempt.
* ''Series/{{Timecop}}'': In "Rocket Science", a German yuppie travels to the 40s and introduces enhancements to Nazi technology. Slightly justified in that he had already done all the research he needs in order to improve their tech. When Logan goes back ([[ItMakesSenseInContext again]]) to stop him, he walks into his lab, where a German scientist is trying to figure out how to work the yuppie's laptop. The Nazi is obviously having trouble with a concept such as a portable computer. Logan simply smashes the laptop and leaves. Of course, he leaves all the pieces in the past, which means there should still be a potential for reverse-engineering it.
* An accidental example in ''{{Series/Journeyman}}'' episode "The Hanged Man", when Dan accidentally leaves a digital camera in 1984. He goes to work at the newspaper and sees holographic screens and video-playing paper. It's all well and good until he also finds out that his son was never born because of a malfunction with the new systems at work when he was supposed to have sex with his wife. Instead, a daughter is conceived later. He ends up going back and stealing the camera (well, it's not really stealing, since the camera is his anyway) from a tech company in the process of studying its microchip.
* In ''{{Series/Misfits}}'' an old Jewish man goes back in time [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct to kill Hitler]]. He fails and drops his mobile phone, which enables the Nazis to develop better technology and win the war, taking over Britain. Kelly gets the time travel power and is able to [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong get the mobile]] away from Hitler, along with [[KickTheSonOfABitch beating him up]].
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* ''Series/DoctorWho'':
** [[Recap/DoctorWhoS2E9TheTimeMeddler "The Time Meddler"]]: The Meddling Monk was planning this, talking about how Shakespeare would get to write for the TV.
** In [[Recap/DoctorWhoS11E1TheTimeWarrior "The Time Warrior"]], Linx the Sontaran plans to give a medieval warlord firearms.
* An accidental example in ''{{Series/Journeyman}}'' episode "The Hanged Man", when Dan accidentally leaves a digital camera in 1984. He goes to work at the newspaper and sees holographic screens and video-playing paper. It's all well and good until he also finds out that his son was never born because of a malfunction with the new systems at work when he was supposed to have sex with his wife. Instead, a daughter is conceived later. He ends up going back and stealing the camera (well, it's not really stealing, since the camera is his anyway) from a tech company in the process of studying its microchip.



* ''Series/TerminatorTheSarahConnorChronicles'': Each faction of time travelers is trying to shape the development of technology in their own way. The resistance is assassinating developers of AI that they think could lead to [=SkyNet=] and the various machine factions trying to either pre-stage resources for the war and facilitate [=SkyNet=]'s creation, or in the case of the rebel machines [[spoiler:led by the T-1001/"Catherine Weaver"]] to develop their own AI to oppose [=SkyNet=].


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* ''Series/LifeOnMars2006'' has this in abundance- Sam is always trying to introduce modern policing methods, apply his future knowledge and so on, much to the ire of Gene Hunt. As well as other non-police-related things (having a TV in a pub, chicken in a basket, etc.)
** Alex does a fairly simplistic version in ''Series/AshesToAshes'', when in order to smoke out a suspect from several possibilities without arousing suspicion, she decides to (her words) "invent speed dating twenty years early".
* In ''{{Series/Misfits}}'' an old Jewish man goes back in time [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct to kill Hitler]]. He fails and drops his mobile phone, which enables the Nazis to develop better technology and win the war, taking over Britain. Kelly gets the time travel power and is able to [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong get the mobile]] away from Hitler, along with [[KickTheSonOfABitch beating him up]].
* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' did this in the episode "A Matter of Time", where Berlinghoff Rasmussen, an "inventor" from the 22nd century, traveled to the future to steal technology which he could then reverse engineer and subsequently sell for profit.[[note]]Rasmussen stole his time machine from 26th century time travelers, but he didn't fully understand how it worked, which limited his ability to fully utilize it.[[/note]]
* ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' lifted this plot for the "Future's End" two-parter. A captain of a Time Ship from the 29th century gets stranded on Earth in the 1960s. A camping hippy finds the crash, and reverse engineers its technology to completely invent the Computer Age, draw out all the profits he can make from everything from the ship (and continually revolutionize his own revolutions) for as long as possible.
* ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'':
** "A Private Little War". The Klingons are arming an Iron Age culture with increasingly sophisticated black powder muskets (rifled barrels were about to be introduced when Kirk and company intervene). TheFederation responds in kind by similarly arming a different faction of that culture in a very {{anvilicious}} parable about the UsefulNotes/ColdWar.
** A similar thing happens in "A Piece of the Action": The inhabitants of an imitative culture get a book from a visiting starship, "Chicago Mobs of the '30s", and model their entire society around it. When [=McCoy=] discovers he's left his communicator behind, Kirk postulates that they may find it and remodel their society after Federation technology.
* ''Series/TerminatorTheSarahConnorChronicles'': Each faction of time travelers is trying to shape the development of technology in their own way. The resistance is assassinating developers of AI that they think could lead to [=SkyNet=] and the various machine factions trying to either pre-stage resources for the war and facilitate [=SkyNet=]'s creation, or in the case of the rebel machines [[spoiler:led by the T-1001/"Catherine Weaver"]] to develop their own AI to oppose [=SkyNet=].
* ''Series/{{Timecop}}'': In "Rocket Science", a German yuppie travels to the 40s and introduces enhancements to Nazi technology. Slightly justified in that he had already done all the research he needs in order to improve their tech. When Logan goes back ([[ItMakesSenseInContext again]]) to stop him, he walks into his lab, where a German scientist is trying to figure out how to work the yuppie's laptop. The Nazi is obviously having trouble with a concept such as a portable computer. Logan simply smashes the laptop and leaves. Of course, he leaves all the pieces in the past, which means there should still be a potential for reverse-engineering it.
9th Mar '17 10:37:29 AM eroock
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[[caption-width-right:350:"Cross the river and go to Rome! [[GratuitousForeignLanguage Alea Iacta Est]]!" Hey, wait a minute. [[CaptainObvious Something here does not seem right...]] [[note]]A-ha! [[ComicallyMissingThePoint That stenciling is using Arabic numbers, not Roman numerals!]][[/note]]]]

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numerals!]][[/note]]-]]]
25th Jan '17 1:23:03 PM StFan
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* The ''ComicBook/{{Marvel 1602}}'' mini-series has a time-displaced ComicBook/CaptainAmerica sent back to Elizabethan times. When asked to return to the future, he insists on staying to try and build a better America from the beginning -- which he does in small ways, such as helping a group of colonists survive a winter that should have wiped them out, or warning the natives against selling their land to unscrupulous capitalists. The final touch comes when, because of his actions, the American colonies declare independence from Britain 174 years early.

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* The ''ComicBook/{{Marvel 1602}}'' ''ComicBook/Marvel1602'' mini-series has a time-displaced ComicBook/CaptainAmerica sent back to Elizabethan times. When asked to return to the future, he insists on staying to try and build a better America from the beginning -- which he does in small ways, such as helping a group of colonists survive a winter that should have wiped them out, or warning the natives against selling their land to unscrupulous capitalists. The final touch comes when, because of his actions, the American colonies declare independence from Britain 174 years early.



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* Happens ''InSpace'' in the Larry Niven novel ''DestroyerOfWorlds''. A lone Pak (a highly intelligent, super strong, long lived creature) gets stranded on a primitive world. He introduces the natives (who have Bronze Age technology) to technology in steps, hibernating for unknown periods between each step. He needs to do this to escape the primitive world, by reaching the ramscoop level.

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* Happens ''InSpace'' in the Larry Niven novel ''DestroyerOfWorlds''.''Literature/DestroyerOfWorlds''. A lone Pak (a highly intelligent, super strong, long lived creature) gets stranded on a primitive world. He introduces the natives (who have Bronze Age technology) to technology in steps, hibernating for unknown periods between each step. He needs to do this to escape the primitive world, by reaching the ramscoop level.



* The ''Literature/AxisOfTime'' trilogy by JohnBirmingham. ''World War 2.1: Weapons of Choice'', ''World War 2.2: Designated Targets'', and ''World War 2.3: Final Impact''. A multinational naval task force from 2021 is sent back to UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, where it (literally) impacts with the American fleet steaming for Midway. The consequences are ''extremely'' far-reaching.

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* The ''Literature/AxisOfTime'' trilogy by JohnBirmingham.Creator/JohnBirmingham. ''World War 2.1: Weapons of Choice'', ''World War 2.2: Designated Targets'', and ''World War 2.3: Final Impact''. A multinational naval task force from 2021 is sent back to UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, where it (literally) impacts with the American fleet steaming for Midway. The consequences are ''extremely'' far-reaching.



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13th Dec '16 9:24:53 PM CompletelyNormalGuy
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* One ''ComicBook/WhatIf'' story (in v1 #33) featured Tony (ComicBook/IronMan) Stark becoming trapped in the time of KingArthur. He starts advancing the technology level singlehanded till he can recreate his Iron Man armor.

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* One ''ComicBook/WhatIf'' story (in v1 #33) featured Tony (ComicBook/IronMan) Stark becoming trapped in the time of KingArthur. He starts advancing the technology level singlehanded till single-handedly until he can recreate his Iron Man armor.
6th Nov '16 1:23:40 PM nombretomado
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* Basically the background of the Zaibach Empire in ''Anime/TheVisionOfEscaflowne'': Emperor Dornkirk (who was [[spoiler: in this reality IsaacNewton]]) brought the gift of science, culture and technology to the weak, incompetent farmer-nomads of the Zaibach area in Planet Gaea, developing themselves into a force able to defend themselves, eventually build their own industrial civilization, and eventually turn into a warmongering empire.

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* Basically the background of the Zaibach Empire in ''Anime/TheVisionOfEscaflowne'': Emperor Dornkirk (who was [[spoiler: in this reality IsaacNewton]]) UsefulNotes/IsaacNewton]]) brought the gift of science, culture and technology to the weak, incompetent farmer-nomads of the Zaibach area in Planet Gaea, developing themselves into a force able to defend themselves, eventually build their own industrial civilization, and eventually turn into a warmongering empire.
18th Oct '16 1:44:26 PM Timjames98
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If the Hero went back in time with the purpose of using this trope to change history (such as preventing the Fall of Constantinople by going back to 1453 and giving the city's defenders modern weaponry and teaching them modern tactics), then it also counts as trying to SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong (or MakeWrongWhatOnceWentRight, depending on the perspective).
16th Oct '16 7:54:03 AM CurledUpWithDakka
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* In the Literature/DoctorWhoNewAdventures novel ''Just War'', an incautious time traveller accidentally gives the Nazis a technological leg-up, resulting in them developing stealth bombers in time for UsefulNotes/WorldWarII.
6th Oct '16 8:01:17 PM nombretomado
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* A variation from K.A. Applegate's ''{{Everworld}}'' series: the heroes, while trapped in a FantasyKitchenSink alternate world, introduce telegraphs to an Elven city, and use the technology to get rich.

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* A variation from K.A. Applegate's ''{{Everworld}}'' ''Literature/{{Everworld}}'' series: the heroes, while trapped in a FantasyKitchenSink alternate world, introduce telegraphs to an Elven city, and use the technology to get rich.
30th Sep '16 11:37:41 PM Xtifr
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* In Michael Swanwick's ''Jack Faust'', Faust is a scientist rather than a sorcerer and Mephistopheles is a misanthropic SufficientlyAdvancedAlien rather than a demon. Mephistopheles gives Faust access to all the accumulated scientific knowledge of the next several centuries, ushering in the Industrial Revolution and, eventually, a World War many hundreds of years too early.

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* In Michael Swanwick's Creator/MichaelSwanwick's ''Jack Faust'', Faust is a scientist rather than a sorcerer and Mephistopheles is a misanthropic SufficientlyAdvancedAlien rather than a demon. Mephistopheles gives Faust access to all the accumulated scientific knowledge of the next several centuries, ushering in the Industrial Revolution and, eventually, a World War many hundreds of years too early.
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