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28th May '17 12:41:21 PM pepimanoli
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** Thanks to its unique combnation of being far too populous and too far away from traditional trade routes, Japan could benefit from this trope without being conquered by a Western nation (the usual result for non-Westerners when better armed Westerners showed up). It happened twice:

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** Thanks to its unique combnation combination of being far too populous and too far away from traditional trade routes, Japan could benefit from this trope without being conquered by a Western nation (the usual result for non-Westerners when better armed Westerners showed up). It happened twice:
24th May '17 8:23:35 PM PaulA
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* Creator/HarryHarrison's ''Deathworld 2'' features a non-time travel version of this, in which interstellar adventurer Jason dinAlt is stranded on a LostColony which has regressed to barbarism. Various bits and pieces of more advanced technology, generally regarded more or less as sorcery, are held as closely guarded secrets by the different clans (one group still knows how to make primitive petroleum-fueled engines, another how to make some crude electrical devices, yet another clan practices alchemy-level chemistry). The hero winds up completely revolutionizing the planet's backwater society solely out a desire to get off that primitive dirtball and back to someplace more civilized. The language issue is avoided as everyone on the planet speaks a (somewhat degraded) version of Esperanto.

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* Creator/HarryHarrison's ''Deathworld ''Literature/{{Deathworld}} 2'' features a non-time travel version of this, in which interstellar adventurer Jason dinAlt is stranded on a LostColony which has regressed to barbarism. Various bits and pieces of more advanced technology, generally regarded more or less as sorcery, are held as closely guarded secrets by the different clans (one group still knows how to make primitive petroleum-fueled engines, another how to make some crude electrical devices, yet another clan practices alchemy-level chemistry). The hero winds up completely revolutionizing the planet's backwater society solely out a desire to get off that primitive dirtball and back to someplace more civilized. The language issue is avoided as everyone on the planet speaks a (somewhat degraded) version of Esperanto.
21st May '17 1:21:11 AM Toren
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* ''Literature/TheWanderingInn'':Ryoka, who was teleported from Earth to a medieval fantasy world, has plenty of knowledge about Earth's technology, but she's so afraid that the knowledge will fall into the wrong hands that she can't reveal any of it.
16th May '17 5:00:40 AM darrenr
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* PlayedForLaughs in ''Film/HotTubTimeMachine'' - Lou decides to stay in the 1980s instead of returning to his present, and spends the intervening time becoming a billionaire by getting in on the ground floor of every important innovation since between then and now.

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* PlayedForLaughs in ''Film/HotTubTimeMachine'' - Lou decides to stay in the 1980s instead of returning to his present, and spends the intervening time becoming a billionaire by getting in on the ground floor of every important innovation since between then and now.



** In one of Creator/HarryHarrison's ''Literature/TheStainlessSteelRat'' novels, the main character ends up in a pocket universe that contains an alternate version of the Napoleonic Wars, in which the BigBad gives Napoleon 20th century artillery. Napoleon, already an artillery genius, uses the technology to easily beat all of Europe into submission. The main character has to explain to an English nobleman the mechanics of one such cannon, who then uses it to sink a ship with a few shots.


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* In one of Creator/HarryHarrison's ''Literature/TheStainlessSteelRat'' novels, the main character ends up in a pocket universe that contains an alternate version of the Napoleonic Wars, in which the BigBad gives Napoleon 20th century artillery. Napoleon, already an artillery genius, uses the technology to easily beat all of Europe into submission. The main character has to explain to an English nobleman the mechanics of one such cannon, who then uses it to sink a ship with a few shots.
26th Apr '17 3:07:44 AM Jan_z_Michal
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* This is the premise of Jonathan Hickman's ''ComicBook/PaxRomana''. The ailing Catholic Church sends a paramilitary group back to 312 AD to use both advanced technology and knowledge of future events to help the Roman Empire set up a stronger foundation for the Church. Things don't go as planned, but even so, technology and culture advance much quicker than in the unaltered timeline, giving rise to a utopian society.

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* This is the premise of Jonathan Hickman's ''ComicBook/PaxRomana''. The ailing Catholic Church sends a paramilitary group back to 312 AD to use both advanced technology and knowledge of future events to help the Roman Empire set up a stronger foundation for the Church. Things don't go as planned, but even so, technology and culture advance much ''much'' quicker than in the unaltered timeline, eventually giving rise to a an utopian society.society with numerous off-world colonies by 15th century.
26th Apr '17 2:58:40 AM Jan_z_Michal
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** And there is of course [[PrivatelyOwnedSociety Johnson's Rome]], where a MegaCorp took over a Roman parallel world after ISWAT clerk forget to ReadTheFinePrint while giving a commission for operating there. When everyone realised what exactly they've signed, the place was already irreversely tampered with wide-scale access to high tech and turned into a trans-dimensional tourist trap.
15th Apr '17 1:15:33 PM nombretomado
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* ''[[Literature/IslandInTheSeaOfTime The Islander Trilogy]]'' by SMStirling. The island of Nantucket is whisked into 1250 BC, and must contend with Bronze Age cultures and their own crop of power-hungry renegades. This one ''does'' contend with language difficulties, uptime diseases, and so forth; the Nantucketers manage to wipe out huge numbers of Native Americans before they even realize what's going on, because the first party sent to the mainland contains someone with a sniffle. Their language difficulties are moderately eased by the fact that the languages of Europe are, at that point, much closer to still being "Proto-Indo-European"...

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* ''[[Literature/IslandInTheSeaOfTime The Islander Trilogy]]'' by SMStirling.Creator/SMStirling. The island of Nantucket is whisked into 1250 BC, and must contend with Bronze Age cultures and their own crop of power-hungry renegades. This one ''does'' contend with language difficulties, uptime diseases, and so forth; the Nantucketers manage to wipe out huge numbers of Native Americans before they even realize what's going on, because the first party sent to the mainland contains someone with a sniffle. Their language difficulties are moderately eased by the fact that the languages of Europe are, at that point, much closer to still being "Proto-Indo-European"...
31st Mar '17 7:57:54 AM Morgenthaler
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* Cheating on tech levels in ParadoxInteractive games can lead to things like handing [[EuropaUniversalis repeating rifles to the Byzantine Empire during the siege of Constantinople in the fourteenth century]].

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* Cheating on tech levels in ParadoxInteractive games can lead to things like handing [[EuropaUniversalis [[VideoGame/EuropaUniversalis repeating rifles to the Byzantine Empire during the siege of Constantinople in the fourteenth century]].
15th Mar '17 3:57:17 PM Doug86
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* In early editions of ''{{TabletopGame/Warhammer}}'', it was possible for weapons and people from ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40K'' to find their way into the Chaos Wastes. This is less damaging than most examples, since there's no way to jump-start an industrial revolution from an object that takes stupidly-advanced tech to make. Especially considering that the primary engineers and technicians of the 40K setting are so reliant on barely-understood and religiously revered ancient tech that they themselves nearly constitute a CargoCult.

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* In early editions of ''{{TabletopGame/Warhammer}}'', ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'', it was possible for weapons and people from ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40K'' ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'' to find their way into the Chaos Wastes. This is less damaging than most examples, since there's no way to jump-start an industrial revolution from an object that takes stupidly-advanced tech to make. Especially considering that the primary engineers and technicians of the 40K setting are so reliant on barely-understood and religiously revered ancient tech that they themselves nearly constitute a CargoCult.
12th Mar '17 10:23:26 PM AthenaBlue
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* ''Series/DoctorWho''
** The Meddling Monk was planning this, talking about how Shakespeare would get to write for the TV.
** In "The Time Warrior", Linx the Sontaran plans to give a medieval warlord firearms.
* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' did this in the episode "A Matter of Time", where Berlinghoff Rasmussen, an "inventor" from the 22nd century, traveled to the future to steal technology which he could then reverse engineer and subsequently sell for profit.[[note]]Rasmussen stole his time machine from 26th century time travelers, but he didn't fully understand how it worked, which limited his ability to fully utilize it.[[/note]]
* ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' lifted this plot for the "Future's End" two-parter. A captain of a Time Ship from the 29th century gets stranded on Earth in the 1960s. A camping hippy finds the crash, and reverse engineers its technology to completely invent the Computer Age, draw out all the profits he can make from everything from the ship (and continually revolutionize his own revolutions) for as long as possible.
* ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'':
** "A Private Little War". The Klingons are arming an Iron Age culture with increasingly sophisticated black powder muskets (rifled barrels were about to be introduced when Kirk and company intervene). TheFederation responds in kind by similarly arming a different faction of that culture in a very {{anvilicious}} parable about the UsefulNotes/ColdWar.
** A similar thing happens in "A Piece of the Action": The inhabitants of an imitative culture get a book from a visiting starship, "Chicago Mobs of the '30s", and model their entire society around it. When [=McCoy=] discovers he's left his communicator behind, Kirk postulates that they may find it and remodel their society after Federation technology.
* Alex does a fairly simplistic version in ''Series/AshesToAshes'', when in order to smoke out a suspect from several possibilities without arousing suspicion, she decides to (her words) "invent speed dating twenty years early".
* Its predecessor series ''Series/LifeOnMars2006'' has this in abundance- Sam is always trying to introduce modern policing methods, apply his future knowledge and so on, much to the ire of Gene Hunt. As well as other non-police-related things (having a TV in a pub, chicken in a basket, etc.)
* The time travel arc of ''Series/{{Galactica 1980}}'' is constructed about this. Realizing that Earth's technology would be insufficient to repel the Cylons were the Galacticans to reveal themselves to the earthmen, radical scientist Xavier researches Earth's past and decides that the best course of action to advance Earth's technology is to give the Nazis rocket technology which would allow them to win WWII. Fortunately the heroes have followed him to the past and thwart the attempt.
* ''Series/{{Timecop}}'': In "Rocket Science", a German yuppie travels to the 40s and introduces enhancements to Nazi technology. Slightly justified in that he had already done all the research he needs in order to improve their tech. When Logan goes back ([[ItMakesSenseInContext again]]) to stop him, he walks into his lab, where a German scientist is trying to figure out how to work the yuppie's laptop. The Nazi is obviously having trouble with a concept such as a portable computer. Logan simply smashes the laptop and leaves. Of course, he leaves all the pieces in the past, which means there should still be a potential for reverse-engineering it.
* An accidental example in ''{{Series/Journeyman}}'' episode "The Hanged Man", when Dan accidentally leaves a digital camera in 1984. He goes to work at the newspaper and sees holographic screens and video-playing paper. It's all well and good until he also finds out that his son was never born because of a malfunction with the new systems at work when he was supposed to have sex with his wife. Instead, a daughter is conceived later. He ends up going back and stealing the camera (well, it's not really stealing, since the camera is his anyway) from a tech company in the process of studying its microchip.
* In ''{{Series/Misfits}}'' an old Jewish man goes back in time [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct to kill Hitler]]. He fails and drops his mobile phone, which enables the Nazis to develop better technology and win the war, taking over Britain. Kelly gets the time travel power and is able to [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong get the mobile]] away from Hitler, along with [[KickTheSonOfABitch beating him up]].

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* ''Series/DoctorWho''
** The Meddling Monk was planning this, talking about how Shakespeare would get to write for the TV.
** In "The Time Warrior", Linx the Sontaran plans to give a medieval warlord firearms.
* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' did this in the episode "A Matter of Time", where Berlinghoff Rasmussen, an "inventor" from the 22nd century, traveled to the future to steal technology which he could then reverse engineer and subsequently sell for profit.[[note]]Rasmussen stole his time machine from 26th century time travelers, but he didn't fully understand how it worked, which limited his ability to fully utilize it.[[/note]]
* ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' lifted this plot for the "Future's End" two-parter. A captain of a Time Ship from the 29th century gets stranded on Earth in the 1960s. A camping hippy finds the crash, and reverse engineers its technology to completely invent the Computer Age, draw out all the profits he can make from everything from the ship (and continually revolutionize his own revolutions) for as long as possible.
* ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'':
** "A Private Little War". The Klingons are arming an Iron Age culture with increasingly sophisticated black powder muskets (rifled barrels were about to be introduced when Kirk and company intervene). TheFederation responds in kind by similarly arming a different faction of that culture in a very {{anvilicious}} parable about the UsefulNotes/ColdWar.
** A similar thing happens in "A Piece of the Action": The inhabitants of an imitative culture get a book from a visiting starship, "Chicago Mobs of the '30s", and model their entire society around it. When [=McCoy=] discovers he's left his communicator behind, Kirk postulates that they may find it and remodel their society after Federation technology.
* Alex does a fairly simplistic version in ''Series/AshesToAshes'', when in order to smoke out a suspect from several possibilities without arousing suspicion, she decides to (her words) "invent speed dating twenty years early".
* Its predecessor series ''Series/LifeOnMars2006'' has this in abundance- Sam is always trying to introduce modern policing methods, apply his future knowledge and so on, much to the ire of Gene Hunt. As well as other non-police-related things (having a TV in a pub, chicken in a basket, etc.)
* The time travel arc of ''Series/{{Galactica 1980}}'' ''Series/BattlestarGalactica1980'' is constructed about this. Realizing that Earth's technology would be insufficient to repel the Cylons were the Galacticans to reveal themselves to the earthmen, radical scientist Xavier researches Earth's past and decides that the best course of action to advance Earth's technology is to give the Nazis rocket technology which would allow them to win WWII. Fortunately the heroes have followed him to the past and thwart the attempt.
* ''Series/{{Timecop}}'': In "Rocket Science", a German yuppie travels to the 40s and introduces enhancements to Nazi technology. Slightly justified in that he had already done all the research he needs in order to improve their tech. When Logan goes back ([[ItMakesSenseInContext again]]) to stop him, he walks into his lab, where a German scientist is trying to figure out how to work the yuppie's laptop. The Nazi is obviously having trouble with a concept such as a portable computer. Logan simply smashes the laptop and leaves. Of course, he leaves all the pieces in the past, which means there should still be a potential for reverse-engineering it.
* An accidental example in ''{{Series/Journeyman}}'' episode "The Hanged Man", when Dan accidentally leaves a digital camera in 1984. He goes to work at the newspaper and sees holographic screens and video-playing paper. It's all well and good until he also finds out that his son was never born because of a malfunction with the new systems at work when he was supposed to have sex with his wife. Instead, a daughter is conceived later. He ends up going back and stealing the camera (well, it's not really stealing, since the camera is his anyway) from a tech company in the process of studying its microchip.
* In ''{{Series/Misfits}}'' an old Jewish man goes back in time [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct to kill Hitler]]. He fails and drops his mobile phone, which enables the Nazis to develop better technology and win the war, taking over Britain. Kelly gets the time travel power and is able to [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong get the mobile]] away from Hitler, along with [[KickTheSonOfABitch beating him up]].
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* ''Series/DoctorWho'':
** [[Recap/DoctorWhoS2E9TheTimeMeddler "The Time Meddler"]]: The Meddling Monk was planning this, talking about how Shakespeare would get to write for the TV.
** In [[Recap/DoctorWhoS11E1TheTimeWarrior "The Time Warrior"]], Linx the Sontaran plans to give a medieval warlord firearms.
* An accidental example in ''{{Series/Journeyman}}'' episode "The Hanged Man", when Dan accidentally leaves a digital camera in 1984. He goes to work at the newspaper and sees holographic screens and video-playing paper. It's all well and good until he also finds out that his son was never born because of a malfunction with the new systems at work when he was supposed to have sex with his wife. Instead, a daughter is conceived later. He ends up going back and stealing the camera (well, it's not really stealing, since the camera is his anyway) from a tech company in the process of studying its microchip.



* ''Series/TerminatorTheSarahConnorChronicles'': Each faction of time travelers is trying to shape the development of technology in their own way. The resistance is assassinating developers of AI that they think could lead to [=SkyNet=] and the various machine factions trying to either pre-stage resources for the war and facilitate [=SkyNet=]'s creation, or in the case of the rebel machines [[spoiler:led by the T-1001/"Catherine Weaver"]] to develop their own AI to oppose [=SkyNet=].


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* ''Series/LifeOnMars2006'' has this in abundance- Sam is always trying to introduce modern policing methods, apply his future knowledge and so on, much to the ire of Gene Hunt. As well as other non-police-related things (having a TV in a pub, chicken in a basket, etc.)
** Alex does a fairly simplistic version in ''Series/AshesToAshes'', when in order to smoke out a suspect from several possibilities without arousing suspicion, she decides to (her words) "invent speed dating twenty years early".
* In ''{{Series/Misfits}}'' an old Jewish man goes back in time [[HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct to kill Hitler]]. He fails and drops his mobile phone, which enables the Nazis to develop better technology and win the war, taking over Britain. Kelly gets the time travel power and is able to [[SetRightWhatOnceWentWrong get the mobile]] away from Hitler, along with [[KickTheSonOfABitch beating him up]].
* ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' did this in the episode "A Matter of Time", where Berlinghoff Rasmussen, an "inventor" from the 22nd century, traveled to the future to steal technology which he could then reverse engineer and subsequently sell for profit.[[note]]Rasmussen stole his time machine from 26th century time travelers, but he didn't fully understand how it worked, which limited his ability to fully utilize it.[[/note]]
* ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' lifted this plot for the "Future's End" two-parter. A captain of a Time Ship from the 29th century gets stranded on Earth in the 1960s. A camping hippy finds the crash, and reverse engineers its technology to completely invent the Computer Age, draw out all the profits he can make from everything from the ship (and continually revolutionize his own revolutions) for as long as possible.
* ''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries'':
** "A Private Little War". The Klingons are arming an Iron Age culture with increasingly sophisticated black powder muskets (rifled barrels were about to be introduced when Kirk and company intervene). TheFederation responds in kind by similarly arming a different faction of that culture in a very {{anvilicious}} parable about the UsefulNotes/ColdWar.
** A similar thing happens in "A Piece of the Action": The inhabitants of an imitative culture get a book from a visiting starship, "Chicago Mobs of the '30s", and model their entire society around it. When [=McCoy=] discovers he's left his communicator behind, Kirk postulates that they may find it and remodel their society after Federation technology.
* ''Series/TerminatorTheSarahConnorChronicles'': Each faction of time travelers is trying to shape the development of technology in their own way. The resistance is assassinating developers of AI that they think could lead to [=SkyNet=] and the various machine factions trying to either pre-stage resources for the war and facilitate [=SkyNet=]'s creation, or in the case of the rebel machines [[spoiler:led by the T-1001/"Catherine Weaver"]] to develop their own AI to oppose [=SkyNet=].
* ''Series/{{Timecop}}'': In "Rocket Science", a German yuppie travels to the 40s and introduces enhancements to Nazi technology. Slightly justified in that he had already done all the research he needs in order to improve their tech. When Logan goes back ([[ItMakesSenseInContext again]]) to stop him, he walks into his lab, where a German scientist is trying to figure out how to work the yuppie's laptop. The Nazi is obviously having trouble with a concept such as a portable computer. Logan simply smashes the laptop and leaves. Of course, he leaves all the pieces in the past, which means there should still be a potential for reverse-engineering it.
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