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20th Apr '16 3:43:15 PM KizunaTallis
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* ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureauTheOtherSideOfTheSpectrum'': It was already well-established that TCB!Equestria (aka, the [[TheEmpire Solar Empire]]) is a CrapsaccharineWorld, but it's not until the ''Calm Before the Storm'' side story comes along and shows just how bad it all really is. First off, the truly ''massive'' number of newfoals coming into Equestria has overstretched their resources to the breaking point. Making things worse is that the barrier vaporizes ''everything'' in its path (agriculture, infrastructure, buildings, materials, and information about how to create these things), leaving the conquered lands useless to the Imperials; in short, they're destroying the very resources they could've used to more easily shoulder their explosive population growth and colonize Earth. Moreover, the [[HopelessWar war has gone on for so long and has been so brutal]] that morale is at an all-time low, with only fanaticism and terror being able to hold their heads above the water, and even that is failing.

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* ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureauTheOtherSideOfTheSpectrum'': It was already well-established that TCB!Equestria (aka, the [[TheEmpire Solar Empire]]) is a CrapsaccharineWorld, but it's not until the ''Calm Before the Storm'' side story comes along and shows just how bad it all really is. First off, the truly ''massive'' number of newfoals coming into Equestria has overstretched their resources to the breaking point. Making things worse is that the barrier vaporizes ''everything'' in its path (agriculture, infrastructure, buildings, materials, and information about how to create these things), leaving the conquered lands useless to the Imperials; in short, the barrier may be the only thing truly giving the Solar Empire a fighting chance against humanity (as it's clear the war would've been over in less than a week without it) but they they're also [[HoistByHisOwnPetard screwing themselves over]] ''badly'' as they're destroying the very resources they could've used to more easily shoulder their explosive population growth and colonize Earth. Moreover, the [[HopelessWar war has gone on for so long and has been so brutal]] that morale is at an all-time low, with only fanaticism and terror being able to hold their heads above the water, and even that is failing.
17th Apr '16 3:07:57 PM Aargvark
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* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' has His Divine Majesty's Imperium of Mankind, probably the most {{exaggerated|Trope}} in fiction. It's deliberately the most oppressive {{crapsack|World}} government imaginable, but all the different factions that run it ([[ObstructiveBureaucrat Administratum]], [[ChurchMilitant Ecclesiarchy]], [[MachineWorship Mechanicus]], [[RedshirtArmy Imperial Guard, Imperial Navy]], [[SuperSoldier Astartes]], [[StateSec Inquisition]], and [[PoliceBrutality Arbites]]) distrust each other at best, regularly hoard information and resources, will often refuse to help another faction unless it can benefit them, and on occasion will outright go to war with each other; more than one Imperial endeavor has been dismantled solely because of infighting. And that's before considering all the sub-factions (and ''sub''-sub-factions) ''and'' all the local departments that run individual planets/systems. Turns out that this is ''better'' than the alternative, as any time someone gains control of multiple departments at once they soon turn the Imperium's brutally up even further (Horus in the Horus Heresy and Goge Vandire in the Age of Apostasy). It doesn't help that the only one who could feasibly remove the "Inefficient" part is the Emperor of Mankind, and he's a barely alive husk trapped in failing life support.

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* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' has His Divine Majesty's Imperium of Mankind, probably the most {{exaggerated|Trope}} in fiction. It's deliberately the most oppressive {{crapsack|World}} government imaginable, but all the different factions that run it ([[ObstructiveBureaucrat Administratum]], [[ChurchMilitant Ecclesiarchy]], [[MachineWorship Mechanicus]], [[RedshirtArmy Imperial Guard, Guard,]] [[SpaceNavy Imperial Navy]], [[SuperSoldier Astartes]], [[StateSec Inquisition]], and [[PoliceBrutality Arbites]]) distrust each other at best, regularly hoard information and resources, will often refuse to help another faction unless it can benefit them, and on occasion will outright go to war with each other; more than one Imperial endeavor has been dismantled solely because of infighting. And that's before considering all the sub-factions (and ''sub''-sub-factions) ''and'' all the local departments that run individual planets/systems. Turns out that this is ''better'' than the alternative, as any time someone gains control of multiple departments at once they soon turn the Imperium's brutally up even further (Horus in the Horus Heresy and Goge Vandire in the Age of Apostasy). It doesn't help that the only one who could feasibly remove the "Inefficient" part is the Emperor of Mankind, and he's a barely alive husk trapped in failing life support.
11th Apr '16 5:42:56 PM Theokal3
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** Defied by [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Kerrigan]], of all people, in ''[[VideoGame/StarCraftIIHeartOfTheSwarm Heart of the Swarm]]'', where she decides, despite [[TheSpock Abathur]]'s recommendations, to grant her Broodmothers more free will and individuality, as she feels the Swarm would be more effective if they are capable of thinking by themselves and take initiative rather mindless slaves.

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** Defied by [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen [[HiveQueen Kerrigan]], of all people, in ''[[VideoGame/StarCraftIIHeartOfTheSwarm Heart of the Swarm]]'', where she decides, despite [[TheSpock Abathur]]'s recommendations, to grant her Broodmothers more free will and individuality, as she feels the Swarm would be more effective if they are capable of thinking by themselves and take initiative rather mindless slaves.
11th Apr '16 5:42:27 PM Theokal3
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** Both Terran Governments we get to see are portrayed as facist, dictatorial, and extremely ineffective; at the beginning of the game, the Confederation is clearly hated by almost everybody due to their politic of nuking rebel planets, and it's quite clear the regime was already dying before Arcturus even [[spoiler:turned their plan against themselves]]. After Arcturus took over, his Dominion seems ''slightly'' more effective, but ends up rather easily destroyed by the UED, and while he manages to rebuild it between the end of ''Brood War'' and ''VideoGame/StarCraftII'', it's implied the only reason he lasted so long was because Kerrigan [[CruelMercy didn't consider him worth killing]]. The very moment she decides to go on the warpath against him again, his Dominion is crushed, and the drastic measures he attempts to save it only end up making things worse.
** The Protoss Conclave is shown to be utterly incompetent in defending Aiur against the [[HordeOfAlienLocusts Zerg]] [[AlienInvasion invasion]] due to [[HonorBeforeReason their insistence to rely on traditional protoss tactics]] (which ''aren't'' at all adapted against a ZergRush and end up costing many protoss lifes) and constant refusal to accept help from [[DarkIsNotEvil the Dark Templar]] for ideological reason, [[TooDumbToLive even though the Dark Templars possess exactly what is needed to defeat the Zerg]]. Unsurprisingly, they are the first to get exterminated by the time of ''Brood War''.
** Defied by Kerrigan, of all people, in ''[[VideoGame/StarCraftIIHeartOfTheSwarm Heart of the Swarm]]'', where she decides, despite [[TheSpock Abathur]]'s recommendations, to grant her Broodmothers more free will and individuality, as she feels the Swarm would be more effective if they are capable of thinking by themselves and take initiative rather mindless slaves.

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** Both Terran Governments we get to see are portrayed as facist, dictatorial, and extremely ineffective; at the beginning of the game, the Confederation is clearly hated by almost everybody due to their politic of nuking rebel planets, and it's quite clear the regime was already dying before Arcturus even [[spoiler:turned their plan against themselves]]. After Arcturus took over, his Dominion seems ''slightly'' more effective, but ends up rather easily destroyed by the UED, [[TheWarOfEarthlyAggression UED]], and while he manages to rebuild it between the end of ''Brood War'' and ''VideoGame/StarCraftII'', it's implied the only reason he lasted so long was because Kerrigan [[CruelMercy didn't consider him worth killing]]. The very moment she decides to go on the warpath against him again, [[CurbStompBattle his Dominion is crushed, crushed]], and the drastic measures he attempts to save it only end up making things worse.
** The [[NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering Protoss Conclave Conclave]] is shown to be utterly incompetent in defending Aiur against the [[HordeOfAlienLocusts Zerg]] [[AlienInvasion invasion]] due to [[HonorBeforeReason their insistence to rely on traditional protoss tactics]] (which ''aren't'' at all adapted against a ZergRush and end up costing many protoss lifes) and constant refusal to accept help from [[DarkIsNotEvil the Dark Templar]] for ideological reason, [[TooDumbToLive even though the Dark Templars possess exactly what is needed to defeat the Zerg]]. Unsurprisingly, they are the first to get exterminated by the time of ''Brood War''.
** Defied by Kerrigan, [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Kerrigan]], of all people, in ''[[VideoGame/StarCraftIIHeartOfTheSwarm Heart of the Swarm]]'', where she decides, despite [[TheSpock Abathur]]'s recommendations, to grant her Broodmothers more free will and individuality, as she feels the Swarm would be more effective if they are capable of thinking by themselves and take initiative rather mindless slaves.
8th Apr '16 12:19:58 PM KizunaTallis
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* In ''Fanfic/WishCarefully'', Harry decides to strike a deal with Voldemort and the Death Eaters with a MagicallyBindingContract wherein he and the other Light-aligned wizards will leave Britain and make sure that the dark side will never have to deal with Muggles or muggleborns ever again. It isn't long after the Light exiles leave that the Death Eaters learn that it was regular honest Light supporters who had provided nearly all the goods and services that kept everything running smoothly. One specific example is given of the time when the Ministry of Magic's magical lifts began breaking down. Not only had the clerk who oversaw the maintenance left in the Exodus, so had the artificers he had previously contracted. In the end, the Death Eaters had to hire expensive goblin artificers simply because none of them had the kind of skills necessary to fix the problem. And that's not even getting to the fact that the pureblood supremacists' inbreeding is producing nothing but squibs and their population is slowly dying out, as well as how Voldemort just [[TheCaligula becomes more]] and [[ControlFreak more unhinged]] to the point that by the time Lucius Malfoy is an old man on his last legs, [[ZerPercentApprovalRating everyone has come to hate Voldemort so much]] that the Malfoys and several other Death Eaters are gathering together to either kill Voldemort themselves or to deliver him to Harry Potter so that he can kill him for them.

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* In ''Fanfic/WishCarefully'', Harry decides to strike a deal with Voldemort and the Death Eaters with a MagicallyBindingContract wherein he and the other Light-aligned wizards will leave Britain and make sure that the dark side will never have to deal with Muggles or muggleborns ever again. It isn't long after the Light exiles leave that the Death Eaters learn that it was regular honest Light supporters who had provided nearly all the goods and services that kept everything running smoothly. One specific example is given of the time when the Ministry of Magic's magical lifts began breaking down. Not only had the clerk who oversaw the maintenance left in the Exodus, so had the artificers he had previously contracted. In the end, the Death Eaters had to hire expensive goblin artificers simply because none of them had the kind of skills necessary to fix the problem. And that's not even getting to the fact that the pureblood supremacists' inbreeding is producing nothing but squibs and their population is slowly dying out, as well as how Voldemort just [[TheCaligula becomes more]] and [[ControlFreak more unhinged]] to the point that by the time Lucius Malfoy is an old man on his last legs, [[ZerPercentApprovalRating [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating everyone has come to hate Voldemort so much]] that the Malfoys and several other Death Eaters are gathering together to either kill Voldemort themselves or to deliver him to Harry Potter so that he can kill him for them.
8th Apr '16 12:18:07 PM KizunaTallis
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* ''Fanfic/TheConversionBureauTheOtherSideOfTheSpectrum'': It was already well-established that TCB!Equestria (aka, the [[TheEmpire Solar Empire]]) is a CrapsaccharineWorld, but it's not until the ''Calm Before the Storm'' side story comes along and shows just how bad it all really is. First off, the truly ''massive'' number of newfoals coming into Equestria has overstretched their resources to the breaking point. Making things worse is that the barrier vaporizes ''everything'' in its path (agriculture, infrastructure, buildings, materials, and information about how to create these things), leaving the conquered lands useless to the Imperials; in short, they're destroying the very resources they could've used to more easily shoulder their explosive population growth and colonize Earth. Moreover, the [[HopelessWar war has gone on for so long and has been so brutal]] that morale is at an all-time low, with only fanaticism and terror being able to hold their heads above the water, and even that is failing.
* In ''Fanfic/WishCarefully'', Harry decides to strike a deal with Voldemort and the Death Eaters with a MagicallyBindingContract wherein he and the other Light-aligned wizards will leave Britain and make sure that the dark side will never have to deal with Muggles or muggleborns ever again. It isn't long after the Light exiles leave that the Death Eaters learn that it was regular honest Light supporters who had provided nearly all the goods and services that kept everything running smoothly. One specific example is given of the time when the Ministry of Magic's magical lifts began breaking down. Not only had the clerk who oversaw the maintenance left in the Exodus, so had the artificers he had previously contracted. In the end, the Death Eaters had to hire expensive goblin artificers simply because none of them had the kind of skills necessary to fix the problem. And that's not even getting to the fact that the pureblood supremacists' inbreeding is producing nothing but squibs and their population is slowly dying out, as well as how Voldemort just [[TheCaligula becomes more]] and [[ControlFreak more unhinged]] to the point that by the time Lucius Malfoy is an old man on his last legs, [[ZerPercentApprovalRating everyone has come to hate Voldemort so much]] that the Malfoys and several other Death Eaters are gathering together to either kill Voldemort themselves or to deliver him to Harry Potter so that he can kill him for them.
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19th Feb '16 8:26:01 AM redandready45
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->I think putting thieves to death is not lawful; and it is plain and obvious that it is absurd and of ill consequence to the commonwealth that a thief and a murderer should be equally punished; for if a robber sees that his danger is the same if he is convicted of theft as if he were guilty of murder, this will naturally incite him to kill the person whom otherwise he would only have robbed; since, if the punishment is the same, there is more security, and less danger of discovery, when he that can best make it is put out of the way; so that terrifying thieves too much provokes them to cruelty.

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->I --> I think putting thieves to death is not lawful; and it is plain and obvious that it is absurd and of ill consequence to the commonwealth that a thief and a murderer should be equally punished; for if a robber sees that his danger is the same if he is convicted of theft as if he were guilty of murder, this will naturally incite him to kill the person whom otherwise he would only have robbed; since, if the punishment is the same, there is more security, and less danger of discovery, when he that can best make it is put out of the way; so that terrifying thieves too much provokes them to cruelty.
19th Feb '16 8:25:34 AM redandready45
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* OlderThanSteam: In ''{{Utopia}}'', Thomas More explored the various problems with despotism and tried to offer solutions. Here, he describes the utter folly of AllCrimesAreEqual.
->I think putting thieves to death is not lawful; and it is plain and obvious that it is absurd and of ill consequence to the commonwealth that a thief and a murderer should be equally punished; for if a robber sees that his danger is the same if he is convicted of theft as if he were guilty of murder, this will naturally incite him to kill the person whom otherwise he would only have robbed; since, if the punishment is the same, there is more security, and less danger of discovery, when he that can best make it is put out of the way; so that terrifying thieves too much provokes them to cruelty.
25th Jan '16 9:58:54 PM Arachnos
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** The main wizarding prison is located at [[TheAlcatraz Azkaban]], which is staffed by Dementors, evil creatures which suck the joy out of people. A place which by all accounts is AFateWorseThanDeath. There are apparently no other Wizarding prisons, so you get sent there [[AllCrimesAreEqual whether you were convicted of murder or insurance fraud.]] It doesn't seem to bother any of the authorities that such an extreme punishment is guaranteed to turn anyone sentenced there either insane or evil (usually both) within a few weeks, not to mention driving criminals to ''extreme'' methods to avoid imprisonment; knowing this was in store for them, no wizard would ever surrender to the authorities. Additionally, since Dementors are AlwaysChaoticEvil, Dumbledre repeatedly warns the Ministry of the folly of using them as wardens, as Voldemort could make them all defect without a second thought simply by providing them with more opportunities to fill their bellies with despair - simultaneously adding a legion of dark creatures to his followers and effortlessly releasing all the Death Eaters imprisoned in Azkaban. All this would be bad enough if everyone sentenced to Azkaban was actually guilty, but... Well, see below.

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** The main wizarding prison is located at [[TheAlcatraz Azkaban]], which is staffed by Dementors, evil creatures which suck the joy out of people. A place which by all accounts is AFateWorseThanDeath. There are apparently no other Wizarding prisons, so you get sent there [[AllCrimesAreEqual whether you were convicted of murder or insurance fraud.]] It doesn't seem to bother any of the authorities that such an extreme punishment is guaranteed to turn anyone sentenced there either insane or evil (usually both) within a few weeks, not to mention driving criminals to ''extreme'' methods to avoid imprisonment; knowing this was in store for them, no wizard would ever surrender to the authorities. Additionally, since Dementors are AlwaysChaoticEvil, Dumbledre repeatedly warns the Ministry of the folly of using them as wardens, as Voldemort could make them all defect without a second thought simply by providing them with more opportunities to fill their bellies with despair - simultaneously adding a legion of dark creatures to his followers and effortlessly releasing all the Death Eaters imprisoned in Azkaban. All this would be bad enough if everyone sentenced to Azkaban was actually guilty, but... Well, see below.
25th Jan '16 9:58:23 PM Arachnos
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** The main wizarding prison is located at [[TheAlcatraz Azkaban]], which is staffed by Dementors, evil creatures which suck the joy out of people. A place which by all accounts is AFateWorseThanDeath. There are apparently no other Wizarding prisons, so you get sent there [[AllCrimesAreEqual whether you were convicted of murder or insurance fraud.]] It doesn't seem to bother any of the authorities that such an extreme punishment is guaranteed to turn anyone sentenced there either insane or evil (usually both) within a few weeks, not to mention driving criminals to ''extreme'' methods to avoid imprisonment; knowing this was in store for them, no wizard would ever surrender to the authorities. And this would be bad enough if everyone sentenced to Azkaban was actually guilty, but... Well, see below.

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** The main wizarding prison is located at [[TheAlcatraz Azkaban]], which is staffed by Dementors, evil creatures which suck the joy out of people. A place which by all accounts is AFateWorseThanDeath. There are apparently no other Wizarding prisons, so you get sent there [[AllCrimesAreEqual whether you were convicted of murder or insurance fraud.]] It doesn't seem to bother any of the authorities that such an extreme punishment is guaranteed to turn anyone sentenced there either insane or evil (usually both) within a few weeks, not to mention driving criminals to ''extreme'' methods to avoid imprisonment; knowing this was in store for them, no wizard would ever surrender to the authorities. And Additionally, since Dementors are AlwaysChaoticEvil, Dumbledre repeatedly warns the Ministry of the folly of using them as wardens, as Voldemort could make them all defect without a second thought simply by providing them with more opportunities to fill their bellies with despair - simultaneously adding a legion of dark creatures to his followers and effortlessly releasing all the Death Eaters imprisoned in Azkaban. All this would be bad enough if everyone sentenced to Azkaban was actually guilty, but... Well, see below.
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