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9th Dec '17 7:43:42 PM Psychadelico
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"Entropy" in particular is one of these scientific concepts which appeals to writers due to its cool, sinister-sounding name and its association with decay. In real life, "entropy" is a physical concept, roughly defined as a measure of disorder and chaos of a given system[[note]] Strictly speaking, the log of the number of possible configurations of the system with the same overall internal energy, which can also be interpreted as an increase in ordering/regularity, just to illustrate how loose the popular interpretation is[[/note]]. Per the second law of thermodynamics, the entropy of an isolated system can only grow, never decrease; the only way to decrease the entropy is for some external force to do work on it[[note]]think about how a messy room will only get messier over time, and it takes someone deliberately cleaning up to restore it to a more ordered state[[/note]]. Since the universe itself (as far as we know) is an isolated system with no external forces that can affect it, this suggests that eventually it will succumb to [[ApocalypseHow/ClassX4 "heat death of the universe"]]: eventually all organized systems will break apart[[note]] Ironically, despite people usually conflating this idea with chaos, the heat death of the universe will result in the most ordered state the universe has ever seen: a sea of matter stretching evenly and uniformly across the entire universe in all directions until the end of time[[/note]]. Hence why chaos-based entities tend to have an OmnicidalManiac vibe to them.

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"Entropy" in particular is one of these scientific concepts which appeals to writers due to its cool, sinister-sounding name and its association with decay. In real life, "entropy" is a physical concept, roughly defined as a measure of disorder and chaos of a given system[[note]] Strictly speaking, the log of the number of possible configurations of the system with the same overall internal energy, which can also be interpreted as an increase in ordering/regularity, just to illustrate how loose the popular interpretation is[[/note]]. Per the second law of thermodynamics, the entropy of an isolated system can only grow, never decrease; the only way to decrease the entropy is for some external force to do work on it[[note]]think about how a messy room will only get messier over time, and it takes someone deliberately cleaning up to restore it to a more ordered state[[/note]]. Since the universe itself (as far as we know) is an isolated system with no external forces that can affect it, this suggests that eventually it will succumb to [[ApocalypseHow/ClassX4 "heat death of the universe"]]: eventually all organized systems will break apart[[note]] Ironically, despite people usually conflating this idea with chaos, the heat death of the universe will result in the most ordered state the universe has ever seen: a sea of matter stretching evenly and uniformly across the entire universe in all directions until the end of time[[/note]].time. This is actually a basic fact about entropy, as higher entropy states tend to be more "soupy"[[/note]]. Hence why chaos-based entities tend to have an OmnicidalManiac vibe to them.



* Entropomancers in ''TabletopGame/UnknownArmies'' have power over luck and accidents, and gain power by deliberarely putting themselves in risky situations. They're earned their nickname of "[[TooDumbToLive Bodybags]]" honestly.

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* Entropomancers in ''TabletopGame/UnknownArmies'' have power over luck and accidents, and gain power by deliberarely putting themselves in risky situations. They're earned their nickname of "[[TooDumbToLive Bodybags]]" honestly. They also tend to be one of the scarier wizard schools in the setting. Many a character might hijack a public bus and drive it against traffic, or play RussianRoulette, but few would do it for a lark because it gives them a power boost.
14th Nov '17 10:26:51 AM HangerofLampshades
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In a broader aspect, the "magic" from the universe of the Laundry is the manipulation of information entropy: specifically, "agents" of each government/cult are attempting to lower the entropic value of the events that they want to happen while raising the entropic value of events that their rivals want to happen... all without raising the ''thermodynamic'' entropy of the universe to prevent entropic beings (such as the one in The Atrocity Archives) from breaking through and wreaking havoc.

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** In a broader aspect, the "magic" from the universe of the Laundry is the manipulation of information entropy: specifically, "agents" of each government/cult are attempting to lower the entropic value of the events that they want to happen while raising the entropic value of events that their rivals want to happen... all without raising the ''thermodynamic'' entropy of the universe to prevent entropic beings (such as the one in The Atrocity Archives) from breaking through and wreaking havoc.
14th Nov '17 10:26:14 AM HangerofLampshades
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In a broader aspect, the "magic" from the universe of the Laundry is the manipulation of information entropy: specifically, "agents" of each government/cult are attempting to lower the entropic value of the events that they want to happen while raising the entropic value of events that their rivals want to happen... all without raising the ''thermodynamic'' entropy of the universe to prevent entropic beings (such as the one in The Atrocity Archives) from breaking through and wreaking havoc.
14th Nov '17 10:09:23 AM HangerofLampshades
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* In the first book of ''Literature/TheLaundryFiles'', by Charles Stross, Bob Howard investigates a parallel universe where [[spoiler:the Third Reich]] managed to summon an entropy being which caused the heat-death of their universe, and is trying to infiltrate the main universe [[spoiler:by manipulating human governments to nuke the portal, "creating" enough information entropy so that it could expand the portal and squeeze through]].

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* In the first book of ''Literature/TheLaundryFiles'', by Charles Stross, Bob Howard investigates a parallel universe where [[spoiler:the Third Reich]] managed to summon an entropy being which caused the heat-death of their universe, and is trying to infiltrate the main universe [[spoiler:by manipulating human governments to nuke the portal, "creating" portal]], which would "create" enough information entropy so that it could expand the portal and squeeze through]].through.
14th Nov '17 10:07:48 AM HangerofLampshades
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* In the first book of ''Literature/TheLaundryFiles'', by Charles Stross, Bob Howard investigates a parallel universe where [[spoiler:the Third Reich]] managed to summon an entropy being which caused the heat-death of their universe, and is trying to infiltrate the main universe [[spoiler:by manipulating human governments to nuke the portal, "creating" enough information entropy so that it could expand the portal and squeeze through]].
12th Aug '17 5:38:27 PM ZenBlade
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"Entropy" in particular is one of these scientific concepts which appeals to writers due to its cool, sinister-sounding name and its association with decay. In real life, "entropy" is a physical concept, roughly defined as a measure of disorder and chaos of a given system[[note]] Strictly speaking, the log of the number of possible configurations of the system with the same overall internal energy, which can also be interpreted as an increase in ordering/regularity, just to illustrate how loose the popular interpretation is[[/note]]. Per the second law of thermodynamics, the entropy of an isolated system can only grow, never decrease; the only way to decrease the entropy is for some external force to do work on it[[note]]think about how a messy room will only get messier over time, and it takes someone deliberately cleaning up to restore it to a more ordered state[[/note]]. Since the universe itself (as far as we know) is an isolated system with no external forces that can affect it, this suggests that eventually it will succumb to [[ApocalypseHow/ClassX4 "heat death of the universe"]]: eventually all organized systems will break apart[[note]] Ironically, despite people usually conflating this idea with chaos, the head death of the universe will result in the most ordered state the universe has ever seen: a sea of matter stretching evenly and uniformly across the entire universe in all directions until the end of time[[/note]]. Hence why chaos-based entities tend to have an OmnicidalManiac vibe to them.

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"Entropy" in particular is one of these scientific concepts which appeals to writers due to its cool, sinister-sounding name and its association with decay. In real life, "entropy" is a physical concept, roughly defined as a measure of disorder and chaos of a given system[[note]] Strictly speaking, the log of the number of possible configurations of the system with the same overall internal energy, which can also be interpreted as an increase in ordering/regularity, just to illustrate how loose the popular interpretation is[[/note]]. Per the second law of thermodynamics, the entropy of an isolated system can only grow, never decrease; the only way to decrease the entropy is for some external force to do work on it[[note]]think about how a messy room will only get messier over time, and it takes someone deliberately cleaning up to restore it to a more ordered state[[/note]]. Since the universe itself (as far as we know) is an isolated system with no external forces that can affect it, this suggests that eventually it will succumb to [[ApocalypseHow/ClassX4 "heat death of the universe"]]: eventually all organized systems will break apart[[note]] Ironically, despite people usually conflating this idea with chaos, the head heat death of the universe will result in the most ordered state the universe has ever seen: a sea of matter stretching evenly and uniformly across the entire universe in all directions until the end of time[[/note]]. Hence why chaos-based entities tend to have an OmnicidalManiac vibe to them.
26th Jul '17 11:10:27 AM ZenBlade
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"Entropy" in particular is one of these scientific concepts which appeals to writers due to its cool, sinister-sounding name and its association with decay. In real life, "entropy" is a physical concept, roughly defined as a measure of disorder and chaos of a given system[[note]] Strictly speaking, the log of the number of possible configurations of the system with the same overall internal energy, which can also be interpreted as an increase in ordering/regularity, just to illustrate how loose the popular interpretation is[[/note]]. Per the second law of thermodynamics, the entropy of an isolated system can only grow, never decrease; the only way to decrease the entropy is for some external force to do work on it[[note]]think about how a messy room will only get messier over time, and it takes someone deliberately cleaning up to restore it to a more ordered state[[/note]]. Since the universe itself (as far as we know) is an isolated system with no external forces that can affect it, this suggests that eventually it will succumb to [[ApocalypseHow/ClassX4 "heat death of the universe"]]: eventually all organized systems will break apart into a chaotic, uniform soup. Hence why chaos-based entities tend to have an OmnicidalManiac vibe to them.

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"Entropy" in particular is one of these scientific concepts which appeals to writers due to its cool, sinister-sounding name and its association with decay. In real life, "entropy" is a physical concept, roughly defined as a measure of disorder and chaos of a given system[[note]] Strictly speaking, the log of the number of possible configurations of the system with the same overall internal energy, which can also be interpreted as an increase in ordering/regularity, just to illustrate how loose the popular interpretation is[[/note]]. Per the second law of thermodynamics, the entropy of an isolated system can only grow, never decrease; the only way to decrease the entropy is for some external force to do work on it[[note]]think about how a messy room will only get messier over time, and it takes someone deliberately cleaning up to restore it to a more ordered state[[/note]]. Since the universe itself (as far as we know) is an isolated system with no external forces that can affect it, this suggests that eventually it will succumb to [[ApocalypseHow/ClassX4 "heat death of the universe"]]: eventually all organized systems will break apart into apart[[note]] Ironically, despite people usually conflating this idea with chaos, the head death of the universe will result in the most ordered state the universe has ever seen: a chaotic, uniform soup. sea of matter stretching evenly and uniformly across the entire universe in all directions until the end of time[[/note]]. Hence why chaos-based entities tend to have an OmnicidalManiac vibe to them.
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26th Jun '17 5:19:17 PM Vir
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** Chaos Knight from [[DefenseOfTheAncients DotA]] uses this.

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** Chaos Knight from [[DefenseOfTheAncients [[VideoGame/DefenseOfTheAncients DotA]] uses this.



* Entropy magic in the ''Franchise/DragonAge'' series consists mostly of {{curse}}s and other sinister powers, and closely connected to [[AnotherDimension The Fade]].

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* Entropy magic in the ''Franchise/DragonAge'' series consists mostly of {{curse}}s and other sinister powers, powers and is closely connected to [[AnotherDimension The Fade]].



* Entropy is an element in, well, ''{{Elements}}''.

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* Entropy is an element in, well, ''{{Elements}}''.''VideoGame/{{Elements}}''.
20th Jun '17 10:47:30 PM Skagit
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Chaos Magic also exists [[AluminumChristmasTrees in real life]]. It is a Postmodern esoteric practice that eclectically borrow from older magical traditions in order to create new rituals. Notable Chaos Magicians who have incorporated it into their work include William S. Burroughs, Grant Morrison, Timothy Leary, and Die Antwoord. [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_magic The other Wiki has more]].
5th Mar '17 5:03:36 PM nombretomado
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* In ''DungeonSiege III'', this is used by Reinhart though the spells are more like FormulaicMagic that focus on DPS.

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* In ''DungeonSiege III'', ''VideoGame/DungeonSiegeIII'', this is used by Reinhart though the spells are more like FormulaicMagic that focus on DPS.
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