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* [[AxisPowersHetalia Italy and Poland]] both of them used it in different moments. Sadly, they got stuck in a tree immediately after.
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** Additionally, the F-14's canopy had a tendency to get sucked into a low-pressure zone directly above the cockpit during ejection.
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** semi-subverted in that the core fighter's purpose was less to save the pilot than to protect the RX-78's learning computer. Later suits (even later units of the '78) lack core fighters, though "hero" units of a particular series may still retain them
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* Shin is forced to eject at least once in ''{{Area 88}}.'' One OVA character takes a sadistic glee in shooting down other pilots after they eject.


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* Ejection seats play a major role in FakingTheDead at one point in ''AceCombat 5.'' [[spoiler: A jammed ejection seat later kills Chopper.]]
** Enemy aces in ''Ace Combat Zero'' sometimes manage to eject and survive the battle, according to the Assault Records.
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Distinct from just AbandonShip; rather than just getting the heck out of (the) Dodge, a machine's helping you out (the door).

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Distinct from just AbandonShip; Abandon Ship; rather than just getting the heck out of (the) Dodge, a machine's helping you out (the door).
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* As in the games on which they're based, the ''WingCommander'' novels occasionally feature ejection seats. In ''End Run'', it's noted that there's a mechanism that's supposed to prevent an ejection while on the carrier, but that has a reputation for not always functioning. [[ChekovsGun Later in the novel]] it fails for one pilot, smashing him against the landing bay overhead[[hottip:*:for those not familiar with naval terminology, the ceiling]].

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* As in the games on which they're based, the ''WingCommander'' novels occasionally feature ejection seats. In ''End Run'', it's noted that there's a mechanism that's supposed to prevent an ejection while on the carrier, but that has a reputation for not always functioning. [[ChekovsGun [[ChekhovsGun Later in the novel]] it fails for one pilot, smashing him against the landing bay overhead[[hottip:*:for those not familiar with naval terminology, the ceiling]].
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'''James Bond:''' Surely you're joking!\\

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'''James Bond:''' Surely you're Ejector seat? You're joking!\\



[[CoolStarship Space fighters]], [[CoolPlane normal fighters]], [[HumongousMecha giant mecha]], [[CoolBoat submarines]], [[BackToTheFuture time travel cars]], [[CoolCar secret agent super cars]], [[BlackHelicopter helicopters]], [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking piano recital vans]]... just about ''everything'' has an ejection seat installed. Expect its success rate to be determined by the plot.

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[[CoolStarship Space fighters]], {{Space fighter}}s, [[CoolPlane normal fighters]], [[HumongousMecha giant mecha]], [[CoolBoat submarines]], [[BackToTheFuture time travel cars]], [[CoolCar secret agent super cars]], [[BlackHelicopter helicopters]], [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking piano recital vans]]... just about ''everything'' has an ejection seat installed. Expect its success rate to be determined by the plot.






* While most Variable Fighters in the ''{{Macross}}'' universe have standard ejection seats, the VF-25 ''Messiah'' from ''MacrossFrontier'' is unique in that it doesn't have a seat, per se, but the pilots wear exoskeletons[=/=]mini-mecha (called [=EX=]-Gear) that dock with the cockpit. The pilot can then eject and fly away, even in outer space, using their own self-propelled [=EX=]-Gear, which has its own wings, thrusters, and limbs.
** Actually, the VF-0 and the VF-1 are the only UN Spacey Variable Fighters with a traditional ejector seat, everything from the VF-4A and up to the VF-22 series has the ejection system encompassing the entire cockpit area, creating an EscapePod that the pilot can remain in until rescue.

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* While most Variable Fighters in the ''{{Macross}}'' universe have standard ejection seats, the VF-25 ''Messiah'' from ''MacrossFrontier'' is unique in that it doesn't have a seat, per se, but the pilots wear exoskeletons[=/=]mini-mecha (called [=EX=]-Gear) EX-Gear) that dock with the cockpit. The pilot can then eject and fly away, even in outer space, using their own self-propelled [=EX=]-Gear, EX-Gear, which has its own wings, thrusters, and limbs.
** Actually, the VF-0 and the VF-1 are the only UN Spacey Variable Fighters with a traditional ejector seat, everything from the VF-4A and up to the VF-22 series has the ejection system encompassing the entire cockpit area, creating an EscapePod {{escape pod}} that the pilot can remain in until rescue.



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* During the test of the [[CoolCar Jet Car]], [[TheAdventuresOfBuckarooBanzaiAcrossTheEighthDimension Buckaroo Banzai]] gets someone LockedOutOfTheLoop over his radio going "Eject, Buckaroo! Eject!" but Buckaroo refuses and goes on to go through the mountain and into the Eighth Dimension.
* Film/IronMan [[spoiler:saves a pilot who was pursuing him after the pilot is forced to eject. After damage to the fighter jet]], the ejection seat is damaged, and the chute won't deploy. Tony uses the armor's strength to pull the lever hard enough to unjam it.

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During the test of the [[CoolCar Jet Car]], [[TheAdventuresOfBuckarooBanzaiAcrossTheEighthDimension Buckaroo Banzai]] gets someone LockedOutOfTheLoop {{locked out of the loop}} over his radio going "Eject, Buckaroo! Eject!" but Buckaroo refuses and goes on to go through the mountain and into the Eighth Dimension.
* Film/IronMan ''Film/IronMan'' [[spoiler:saves a pilot who was pursuing him after the pilot is forced to eject. After damage to the fighter jet]], the ejection seat is damaged, and the chute won't deploy. Tony uses the armor's strength to pull the lever hard enough to unjam it.



** During one scene in ''{{Goldeneye}}'', JamesBond ejects himself and Natalya from a stolen prototype combat helicopter that was rigged to shoot itself with its own missiles. Of course, the ejection mechanism shot out the blades from the top rotor first, for fairly obvious reasons.

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** During one scene in ''{{Goldeneye}}'', ''[=~GoldenEye~=]'', JamesBond ejects himself and Natalya from a stolen prototype combat helicopter that was rigged to shoot itself with its own missiles. Of course, the ejection mechanism shot out the blades from the top rotor first, for fairly obvious reasons.



* The quote at the top of this page comes from ''StarWars'' during the assault on the Death Star. (Unfortunately for him, he gets blown up before he has time to eject.) The starfighter is designed so that the cockpit and couch would separate from the fuselage and engines, thus leaving the pilot drifting in what was effectively a survival capsule. The suit is air tight and has a small force field that will keep you breathing for about three or four hours. Now being next to a giant moon-sized space station that explodes isn't exactly survivable so it was still a waste of time.

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* The quote at the top of this page comes from ''StarWars'' during the assault on the Death Star. (Unfortunately Star (unfortunately for him, he gets blown up before he has time to eject.) eject). The starfighter is designed so that the cockpit and couch would separate from the fuselage and engines, thus leaving the pilot drifting in what was effectively a survival capsule. The suit is air tight and has a small force field that will keep you breathing for about three or four hours. Now being next to a giant moon-sized space station that explodes isn't exactly survivable so it was still a waste of time.



* Used in the ShowWithinAShow ''Austinpussy'' in ''Goldmember.''

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* Used in the ShowWithinAShow ''Austinpussy'' in ''Goldmember.''''Goldmember''.



* ''DeathRace'' has an ejector seat in the hero's car. The eject was never for the Hero, just [[{{Ms Fanservice}} the navigator.]] Assuming it's the same for all the vehicles, it makes sense seeing as how viewers would like to think the ladies don't die.

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* ''DeathRace'' has an ejector seat in the hero's car. The eject was never for the Hero, just [[{{Ms Fanservice}} [[MsFanservice the navigator.]] navigator]]. Assuming it's the same for all the vehicles, it makes sense seeing as how viewers would like to think the ladies don't die.



* In ''ChittyChittyBangBang'', when Baron Bomburst commands Grandpa to make the eponymous car fly, Grandpa presses a button at random that sends the Baroness shooting skyward out of her seat. (She is saved by her ParachutePetticoat.)

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* In ''ChittyChittyBangBang'', when Baron Bomburst commands Grandpa to make the eponymous car fly, Grandpa presses a button at random that sends the Baroness shooting skyward out of her seat. (She seat (she is saved by her ParachutePetticoat.)ParachutePetticoat).



* Averted in ''[[TheLaundrySeries The Jennifer Morgue]]'' by CharlesStross, which goes into some detail as to why an ejection seat in a car is an insanely bad idea; when Bob Howard presses the eject button on his CoolCar, the ''entire car ejects'', which is only slightly less so. It's made clear that only time you should press the button is if ''not'' pressing it is ''definitely'' going to kill you. The explanation also deflates the idea of the "easy eject"; Bob describes how, due to the G-forces involved, the pilot is likely looking at weeks in traction ''at best''.

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* Averted in ''[[TheLaundrySeries The Jennifer Morgue]]'' by CharlesStross, which goes into some detail as to why an ejection seat in a car is an insanely bad idea; when Bob Howard presses the eject button on his CoolCar, the ''entire car ejects'', which is only slightly less so. It's made clear that only time you should press the button is if ''not'' pressing it is ''definitely'' going to kill you. The explanation also deflates the idea of the "easy eject"; Bob describes how, due to the G-forces involved, the pilot is likely looking at weeks in traction ''at best''.



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* When Wendy Watson flies to rescue ''TheMiddleMan'', [[RidiculouslyHumanRobot IDA]] triggers the Middlejet's EjectionSeat remotely, much to Wendy's horror.

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* When Wendy Watson flies to rescue ''TheMiddleMan'', [[RidiculouslyHumanRobot IDA]] triggers the Middlejet's EjectionSeat remotely, much to Wendy's horror.



* In the StargateVerse, the F-302, being space-worthy fighters, can eject the whole two-place cockpit, as to make sure the pilots can survive in space. Most of other races' {{Mook Mobile}}s, like the [[{{Stargate SG-1}} Goa'uld's Death Gliders]] or the [[StargateAtlantis Wraith Darts]], have no such equipment.

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* In the StargateVerse, the F-302, being space-worthy fighters, can eject the whole two-place cockpit, as to make sure the pilots can survive in space. Most of other races' {{Mook Mobile}}s, {{mook mobile}}s, like the [[{{Stargate SG-1}} [[{{StargateSG-1}} Goa'uld's Death Gliders]] or the [[StargateAtlantis Wraith Darts]], have no such equipment.



* Documentary series ''{{Pawn Stars}}'' had someone try to sell this to the pawn shop. It was appraised as genuine.
* Played straight, averted, and subverted in several episodes of ''{{JAG}}''. Apropriate, as several of the characters on the show are fighter pilots. Even part of the story behind Harm's DisappearedDad.

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* Documentary series ''{{Pawn Stars}}'' ''PawnStars'' had someone try to sell this to the pawn shop. It was appraised as genuine.
* Played straight, averted, and subverted in several episodes of ''{{JAG}}''. Apropriate, Appropriate, as several of the characters on the show are fighter pilots. Even part of the story behind Harm's DisappearedDad.



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* [[MetalGearSolid Liquid Snake]] wound up in Alaska after accidentally ejecting himself from a helicopter in ''TheLastDaysOfFoxhound''. He then guesses that he must be in the North Pole, and wonders where the [[PolarBearsAndPenguins penguins]] are.

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* [[MetalGearSolid Liquid Snake]] wound up in Alaska after accidentally ejecting himself from a helicopter in ''TheLastDaysOfFoxhound''.''{{The Last Days of Foxhound}}''. He then guesses that he must be in the North Pole, and wonders where the [[PolarBearsAndPenguins penguins]] are.



** In the episode "Joker's Millions" of ''Batman: The Animated Series'', Joker is so poor that he could afford only one ejection seat. Boy, was Harley mad!

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** In the episode "Joker's Millions" of ''Batman: The Animated Series'', Joker {{the Joker}} is so poor that he could afford only one ejection seat. Boy, was Harley mad!



** Indeed pilots don't eject at the first hint of trouble, either. Considerable effort if first put into ''slowing the aircraft'' because at supersonic or just plain fast speeds the wind the pilot is slamming into could possibly rip the mask off of a pilot's face and ram the air down his esophagus, [[{{Squick}} inflating his stomach like a balloon]], which makes simply impacting the ground sans parachute sound like a better option. Slowing down to a more reasonable speed to eject into is a good idea, if you can do it. A 200mph wind is about the fastest nature throws at us. 600mph is ''unnnatural''.

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** Indeed pilots don't eject at the first hint of trouble, either. Considerable effort if first put into ''slowing the aircraft'' because at supersonic or just plain fast speeds the wind the pilot is slamming into could possibly rip the mask off of a pilot's face and ram the air down his esophagus, [[{{Squick}} inflating his stomach like a balloon]], which makes simply impacting the ground sans parachute sound like a better option. Slowing down to a more reasonable speed to eject into is a good idea, if you can do it. A 200mph 200 mph wind is about the fastest nature throws at us. 600mph 600 mph is ''unnnatural''.''unnatural''.
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That is just ASKING for a natter-response (And boy, can I think up a bunch), but instead I\'ll just remove it. It seems argumentative (\"Boy, this is a dumb idea we\'ve got\") and also doesn\'t mention the reasons WHY there are different rules for pilots, paratroopers and tank drivers (I\'m not saying I necessarily AGREE with the reasons behind the rules, but there ARE reasons)


It should be pointed out that shooting an airman after he or she's ejected is a war crime, though this is a relatively recent idea and wasn't in force until 1977.[[hottip:*:Yes, it doesn't make much sense when you think about it. Can you imagine anyone letting a crewman jump out of his tank, wrap a bit of silk around himself and walk away from the battle? Perhaps the most bizarre example of this is that if you shoot down a plane carrying paratroops (who are not granted the same protection), you ''can'' shoot at the parachuting soldiers, but shooting at the plane's actual aircrew is a war crime. Erm...]]

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It should be pointed out that shooting an airman after he or she's ejected is a war crime, though this is a relatively recent idea and wasn't in force until 1977.[[hottip:*:Yes, it doesn't make much sense when you think about it. Can you imagine anyone letting a crewman jump out of his tank, wrap a bit of silk around himself and walk away from the battle? Perhaps the most bizarre example of this is that if you shoot down a plane carrying paratroops (who are not granted the same protection), you ''can'' shoot at the parachuting soldiers, but shooting at the plane's actual aircrew is a war crime. Erm...]]
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It should be pointed out that shooting an airman after he or she's ejected is a war crime, though this is a relatively recent idea and wasn't in force until 1977.[[hottip:*:Yes, it doesn't make much sense when you think about it. Can you imagine anyone letting a crewman jump out of his tank, wrap a bit of silk around himself and walk away from the battle? Perhaps the most bizarre example of this is that if you shoot down a plane carrying paratroops (who are not granted the same protection), you ''can'' shoot at the parachuting soldiers, but shooting at the plane's actual aircrew is a war crime. Erm...]]
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* ''YellowSubmarine''. Ringo is steering the sub as they pass through the Sea of Monsters. Old Ferd tells him "Whatever you do, [[SchmuckBait don't touch that button]]." Of course Ringo does so, and is ejected out of the submarine.

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It should be pointed out that shooting an airman after he or she's ejected is a war crime, though this is a relatively recent idea and wasn't in force until 1977.[[hottip:*:Yes, it doesn't make much sense when you think about it. Can you imagine anyone letting a crewman jump out of his tank, wrap a bit of silk around himself and walk away from the battle? Perhaps the most bizarre example of this is that if you shoot down a plane carrying paratroops (who are not granted the same protection), you ''can'' shoot at the parachuting soldiers, but shooting at the plane's actual aircrew is a war crime. Erm...]]




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** Indeed pilots don't eject at the first hint of trouble, either. Considerable effort if first put into ''slowing the aircraft'' because at supersonic or just plain fast speeds the wind the pilot is slamming into could possibly rip the mask off of a pilot's face and ram the air down his esophagus, [[{{Squick}} inflating his stomach like a balloon]], which makes simply impacting the ground sans parachute sound like a better option. Slowing down to a more reasonable speed to eject into is a good idea, if you can do it.

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** Indeed pilots don't eject at the first hint of trouble, either. Considerable effort if first put into ''slowing the aircraft'' because at supersonic or just plain fast speeds the wind the pilot is slamming into could possibly rip the mask off of a pilot's face and ram the air down his esophagus, [[{{Squick}} inflating his stomach like a balloon]], which makes simply impacting the ground sans parachute sound like a better option. Slowing down to a more reasonable speed to eject into is a good idea, if you can do it. A 200mph wind is about the fastest nature throws at us. 600mph is ''unnnatural''.
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* In real life, 20% of aircraft ejections result in the pilot sustaining career-ending injuries, such as death. Also, 100% of aircraft ejections result in the pilot losing several inches of height, due to the sudden compression of being flung out of your plane at anywhere from 12 to 22 Gs (depending on what ejection seat your plane was equipped with). Most air forces impose a career limit on the number of ejections permissable before it's desk job city for you.

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* In real life, 20% of aircraft ejections result in the pilot sustaining career-ending injuries, such as death. Also, 100% of aircraft ejections result in the pilot losing several inches of height, due to the sudden compression of being flung out of your plane at anywhere from 12 to 22 Gs (depending on what ejection seat your plane was equipped with). Most air forces impose a career limit on the number of ejections permissable permissible before it's desk job city for you.you.
** Indeed pilots don't eject at the first hint of trouble, either. Considerable effort if first put into ''slowing the aircraft'' because at supersonic or just plain fast speeds the wind the pilot is slamming into could possibly rip the mask off of a pilot's face and ram the air down his esophagus, [[{{Squick}} inflating his stomach like a balloon]], which makes simply impacting the ground sans parachute sound like a better option. Slowing down to a more reasonable speed to eject into is a good idea, if you can do it.
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* As in the games on which they're based, the WingCommander novels occasionally feature ejection seats. In ''End Run'', it's noted that there's a mechanism that's supposed to prevent an ejection while on the carrier, but that has a reputation for not always functioning. [[ChekovsGun Later in the novel]] it fails for one pilot, smashing him against the landing bay overhead[[hottip:*:for those not familiar with naval terminology, the ceiling]].

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* As in the games on which they're based, the WingCommander ''WingCommander'' novels occasionally feature ejection seats. In ''End Run'', it's noted that there's a mechanism that's supposed to prevent an ejection while on the carrier, but that has a reputation for not always functioning. [[ChekovsGun Later in the novel]] it fails for one pilot, smashing him against the landing bay overhead[[hottip:*:for those not familiar with naval terminology, the ceiling]].



* ''KnightRider'': KITT]]'s ejection seats never left the car, they simply catapulted the occupant a couple stories in the air. Which makes less sense.

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* ''KnightRider'': KITT]]'s KITT's ejection seats never left the car, they simply catapulted the occupant a couple stories in the air. Which makes less sense.



* In {{Farscape}}, Aeryn is ejected in one of these, with [[MeaningfulFuneral disasterously heart-breaking]] but, of course, [[DeathIsCheap non-permanent results]].

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* In {{Farscape}}, ''{{Farscape}}'', Aeryn is ejected in one of these, with [[MeaningfulFuneral disasterously heart-breaking]] but, of course, [[DeathIsCheap non-permanent results]].



* Played straight, averted, and subverted in several episodes of {{JAG}}. Apropriate, as several of the characters on the show are fighter pilots. Even part of the story behind Harm's DisappearedDad.

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* Played straight, averted, and subverted in several episodes of {{JAG}}.''{{JAG}}''. Apropriate, as several of the characters on the show are fighter pilots. Even part of the story behind Harm's DisappearedDad.
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[[hottip:**: then again a pilot who has just ejected can't exactly defend himself while he's floating down, and the odds are still against them once they touchdown, armed with only a pistol and having to evade a batallion of enemy soldiers looking for them. where as paratroopers are used as a means of rapid deployment]]

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[[hottip:**: then again a pilot who has just ejected can't exactly defend himself while he's floating down, and the odds are still against them once they touchdown, armed with only a pistol and having to evade a batallion of enemy soldiers looking for them. where as paratroopers are used as a means of rapid deployment]]
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* ''CodeGeass'' has ejector seats as a major feature of the Knightmare Frames. In fact, according to [[AllThereInTheManual the backstory]], Knightmares evolved out of a plan to put ejection seats in "traditional" military vehicles like tanks.

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* ''CodeGeass'' has ejector seats as a major feature of the Knightmare Frames. In fact, according to [[AllThereInTheManual the backstory]], Knightmares evolved out of a plan to put ejection seats in "traditional" military vehicles like tanks. The fact that the [[SuperPrototype Lancelot]] doesn't have one is made out to be a big deal.



* Most [[{{Gundam}} mobile suits]] have ejector seats too. In general it's a fairly common part of HumongousMecha.

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* Most [[{{Gundam}} ''{{Gundam}}'' has the Core Fighter, where the [[HumongousMecha mobile suits]] have ejector seats too. In general it's suit]]'s cockpit is actually a fairly common part of HumongousMecha.small fighter plane, which can eject and be operated even if the MS is destroyed. ''{{The 08th MS Team}}'' depicts a more traditional ejection seat.
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* [[MetalGearSolid Liquid Snake]] wound up in Alaska after accidentally ejecting himself from a helicopter. He then guesses that he must be in the North Pole, and wonders where the [[PolarBearsAndPenguins penguins]] are.

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* [[MetalGearSolid Liquid Snake]] wound up in Alaska after accidentally ejecting himself from a helicopter.helicopter in ''TheLastDaysOfFoxhound''. He then guesses that he must be in the North Pole, and wonders where the [[PolarBearsAndPenguins penguins]] are.
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[[hottip:** then again a pilot who has just ejected can't exactly defend himself while he's floating down, and the odds are still against them once they touchdown, armed with only a pistol and having to evade a batallion of enemy soldiers looking for them. where as paratroopers are used as a means of rapid deployment]]

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[[hottip:** then again a pilot who has just ejected can't exactly defend himself while he's floating down, and the odds are still against them once they touchdown, armed with only a pistol and having to evade a batallion of enemy soldiers looking for them. where as paratroopers are used as a means of rapid deployment]]
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* In ''ChittyChittyBangBang'', when Baron Bomburst commands Grandpa to make the eponymous car fly, Grandpa presses a button at random that sends the Baroness shooting skyward out of her seat. (She is saved by her ParachutePetticoat.)
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* One of the devices you can equip on your vehicle in ''[[BanjoKazooie Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts]]''.
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* Played straight, averted, and subverted in several episodes of {{JAG}}. Apropriate, as several of the characters on the show are fighter pilots. Even part of the story behind Harm's DissappearedDad.

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* Played straight, averted, and subverted in several episodes of {{JAG}}. Apropriate, as several of the characters on the show are fighter pilots. Even part of the story behind Harm's DissappearedDad.DisappearedDad.
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* Played straight, averted, and subverted in several episodes of {{JAG}}. Apropriate, as several of the characters on the show are fighter pilots. Even part of the story behind Harm's DissappearedDad.
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* As in the games on which they're based, the WingCommander novels occasionally feature ejection seats. In ''End Run'', it's noted that there's a mechanism that's supposed to prevent an ejection while on the carrier, but that has a reputation for not always functioning. [[ChekovsGun Later in the novel]] it fails for one pilot, smashing him against the landing bay overhead[[hottip:*:for those not familiar with naval terminology, the ceiling]].
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Um, no. If you're going to have a war, it does rather follow that people are going to die in it. Trying to extend protections to everyone is rather missing the point of warfare. And the hottip is saying it doesn't make sense that it's a war crime, not that it doesn't make sense to not kill people.


It should be pointed out that shooting an airman after he or she's ejected is a war crime, though this is a relatively recent idea and wasn't in force until 1977. This leads to a bit of FridgeLogic -- aircrew are the only people with such protection, and only while descending by parachute. You can't fire at someone on a parachute with your AA gun, but if you drop it level you can shoot them the instant their feet touch the ground.

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It should be pointed out that shooting an airman after he or she's ejected is a war crime, though this is a relatively recent idea and wasn't in force until 1977. This leads to [[hottip:*:Yes, it doesn't make much sense when you think about it. Can you imagine anyone letting a crewman jump out of his tank, wrap a bit of FridgeLogic -- silk around himself and walk away from the battle? Perhaps the most bizarre example of this is that if you shoot down a plane carrying paratroops (who are not granted the same protection), you ''can'' shoot at the parachuting soldiers, but shooting at the plane's actual aircrew are the only people with such protection, and only while descending by parachute. You can't fire at someone on is a parachute with your AA gun, but if you drop it level you can shoot them the instant their feet touch the ground.
war crime. Erm...]]
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Fine, but as it stands now the hottip basically says :"gosh, NOT killing people? How illogcal, ha ha ha!" If the problem is that the rule is inconsistent, rather than that it is somehow bad in itself, then let's make that clear. The problem here is that such protection doesn't exsit in other situations, not that it does exist for aircrews.


It should be pointed out that shooting an airman after he or she's ejected is a war crime, though this is a relatively recent idea and wasn't in force until 1977.[[hottip:*:Yes, it doesn't make much sense when you think about it. Can you imagine anyone letting a crewman jump out of his tank, wrap a bit of silk around himself and walk away from the battle? Perhaps the most bizarre example of this is that if you shoot down a plane carrying paratroops (who are not granted the same protection), you ''can'' shoot at the parachuting soldiers, but shooting at the plane's actual aircrew is a war crime. Erm...]]

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It should be pointed out that shooting an airman after he or she's ejected is a war crime, though this is a relatively recent idea and wasn't in force until 1977.[[hottip:*:Yes, it doesn't make much sense when you think about it. Can you imagine anyone letting a crewman jump out of his tank, wrap This leads to a bit of silk around himself and walk away from the battle? Perhaps the most bizarre example of this is that if you shoot down a plane carrying paratroops (who are not granted the same protection), you ''can'' shoot at the parachuting soldiers, but shooting at the plane's actual FridgeLogic -- aircrew is are the only people with such protection, and only while descending by parachute. You can't fire at someone on a war crime. Erm...]]
parachute with your AA gun, but if you drop it level you can shoot them the instant their feet touch the ground.
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The laws and customs of war never had any point about not shooting people who haven't surrendered and don't intend to. Aircrew are the only people with such a protection, and it makes no sense; you can't fire at someone on a parachute with your AA gun, but if you drop it level you can shoot them the instant their feet touch the ground.


It should be pointed out that shooting an airman after he or she's ejected is a war crime, though this is a relatively recent idea and wasn't in force until 1977.

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It should be pointed out that shooting an airman after he or she's ejected is a war crime, though this is a relatively recent idea and wasn't in force until 1977.
1977.[[hottip:*:Yes, it doesn't make much sense when you think about it. Can you imagine anyone letting a crewman jump out of his tank, wrap a bit of silk around himself and walk away from the battle? Perhaps the most bizarre example of this is that if you shoot down a plane carrying paratroops (who are not granted the same protection), you ''can'' shoot at the parachuting soldiers, but shooting at the plane's actual aircrew is a war crime. Erm...]]

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