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23rd May '17 10:41:29 AM TheSinful
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* Luffy is still an IdiotHero like canon in ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/11961369/7/Blood-Man-Luffy Blood Man Luffy]]'' but correctly uses the proverb "Blood is thicker than water" when he learns of Nami's adoptive family. Nami gets upset and says they're as close as any family, only for Luffy to remark that's what he said: "Blood of the covenant is thicker than water of the womb."
17th May '17 10:35:30 AM KingLyger
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* ''Theatre/TwistedTheUntoldStoryOfARoyalVizier'' makes this part of Ja'far's CharacterDevelopment. While he realizes that the Princess is hopelessly naive and sheltered, he decides that young people have to believe they can make the world perfect, or else they'll never even try and by the overly optimistic attempts of idealistic young people, the world is made a tiny bit for better each generation that goes by. [[spoiler:On top of that, the Princess creates a plan to solve social inequality by making everyone a princess, and somehow, it actually works.]]
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29th Apr '17 5:56:07 AM Psyclone
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-->'''General Katana''': You leave for the Planet earth immediately. Find [=Macleod=] and kill him.

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-->'''General Katana''': You leave for the Planet earth planet Earth immediately. Find [=Macleod=] and kill him.
13th Apr '17 4:45:42 AM Luigifan
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Compare ActuallyPrettyFunny, TooDumbToFool, TheCuckoolanderWasRight, WisdomFromTheGutter, MistakenForProfound, IHaveNothingToSayToThat, and NobodysThatDumb. When the character is the subject of this reaction because they're mean, unlikable, or evil, it's JerkassHasAPoint. When the author intends to make a character's argument come across as wrong, but the readers agree, it's StrawmanHasAPoint. Related to WisdomFromTheGutter.

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Compare ActuallyPrettyFunny, TooDumbToFool, TheCuckoolanderWasRight, WisdomFromTheGutter, MistakenForProfound, IHaveNothingToSayToThat, and NobodysThatDumb. When the character is the subject of this reaction because they're mean, unlikable, or evil, it's JerkassHasAPoint.JerkassHasAPoint (or VillainHasAPoint when it's coming from an outright antagonist). If the reaction stems from the character making the point having a knack for doing the opposite thing, it's HypocriteHasAPoint. When the author intends to make a character's argument come across as wrong, but the readers agree, it's StrawmanHasAPoint. Related to WisdomFromTheGutter.
2nd Apr '17 9:45:41 AM XenMon2
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** In general, the PHB is "only" incompetent at management and technology. When dealing with other departments and upper management he's actually the straight man undermined by Dilbert's social ineptitude and bluntness.
25th Mar '17 7:26:40 PM tiiger
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* In the Coen Brothers' remake of ''Film/TheLadykillers'', Dorr thinks aloud as he tries to come up with an elaborate scheme to deal with Gudge, a potential obstacle to their heist. Dumb jock Lump tries to interject with an idea, only to be silenced several times by Hanks. When he is finally allowed to speak, he asks "couldn't we just bribe the guy?" It works.

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* In the Coen Brothers' remake of ''Film/TheLadykillers'', Dorr thinks aloud as he tries to come up with an elaborate scheme to deal with Gudge, a potential obstacle to their heist. Dumb jock Lump tries to interject with an idea, only to be silenced several times by Hanks.Dorr. When he is finally allowed to speak, he asks "couldn't we just bribe the guy?" It works.
25th Mar '17 7:25:25 PM tiiger
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* In the Coen Brothers' remake of ''Film/TheLadykillers'', Creator/TomHanks' character thinks aloud as he tries to come up with an elaborate scheme to deal with Stephen Root's character, a potential obstacle to their heist. The dumb jock character tries to interject with an idea, only to be silenced several times by Hanks. When he is finally allowed to speak, he asks "couldn't we just bribe the guy?" It works.

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* In the Coen Brothers' remake of ''Film/TheLadykillers'', Creator/TomHanks' character Dorr thinks aloud as he tries to come up with an elaborate scheme to deal with Stephen Root's character, Gudge, a potential obstacle to their heist. The dumb Dumb jock character Lump tries to interject with an idea, only to be silenced several times by Hanks. When he is finally allowed to speak, he asks "couldn't we just bribe the guy?" It works.
25th Mar '17 11:50:02 AM Premonition45
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** In the episode "Bart's Comet":

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** In the episode "Bart's Comet":



** In the episode in which the Simpsons go to Africa when it's revealed that Doctor Bushwell is using the monkeys to run a diamond mine this exchange occurs:
--->'''Bart''': I think we should look at her research before we condemn her completely.
--->''(everyone stares at Bart, shocked)''
--->'''Bart''': I haven't said anything for a while.
** In part 2 of "Who Shot Mr. Burns", after Smithers was cleared of shooting Burns (because he shot ''Jasper'' instead), the normally completely incompetent police chief has this to say:
--->'''Chief Wiggum''': Wait a minute! If a second old geezer got shot, how come nobody reported it?[[note]]Jasper was shot in his prosthetic leg, so he was unharmed.[[/note]]

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** In the episode in which "Simpson Safari", when the Simpsons go to Africa when it's revealed that Doctor Bushwell is using the monkeys to run a diamond mine this exchange occurs:
--->'''Bart''': -->'''Bart''': I think we should look at her research before we condemn her completely.
--->''(everyone -->''(everyone stares at Bart, shocked)''
--->'''Bart''': -->'''Bart''': I haven't said anything for a while.
** In part 2 of "Who Shot Mr. Burns", Burns? Part 2", after Smithers was cleared of shooting Burns (because he shot ''Jasper'' instead), the normally completely incompetent police chief has this to say:
--->'''Chief -->'''Chief Wiggum''': Wait a minute! If a second old geezer got shot, how come nobody reported it?[[note]]Jasper was shot in his prosthetic leg, so he was unharmed.[[/note]]



** In yet another episode, Mayor Quimby is being electrocuted on live TV by an electric chair that everyone except for Bart and Ralph Wiggum believe is turned off. Bart says he needs to think of a way to save Mayor Quimby, and Ralph Wiggum has the brilliant insight that... Lisa's good at thinking. (Cue Lisa saving the day, and everyone cheering Ralph for his good sense.)

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** In yet another episode, "This Little Wiggy", Mayor Quimby is being electrocuted on live TV by an electric chair that everyone except for Bart and Ralph Wiggum believe is turned off. Bart says he needs to think of a way to save Mayor Quimby, and Ralph Wiggum has the brilliant insight that... Lisa's good at thinking. (Cue Lisa saving the day, and everyone cheering Ralph for his good sense.)
22nd Mar '17 5:40:53 AM MaulMachine
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* The comparable-intelligence, ideologically-opposed version happens in the early ''Series/TheWestWing'' episode "[[Recap/TheWestWingS01E21LiesDamnLiesAndStatistics Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics]]". The President has a sit-down with a key Republican named Lobel where the two (quite cheerfully) express their general loathing for one another's politics and list their many disagreements, but they make it clear that there is one issue they agree on - campaign finance reform. The president offers to get Lobel onto the FEC if he'll support Bartlett's other candidates. Asked what Lobel gets in return, Bartlett replies "a grateful President"; Lobel promptly accepts.

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* The comparable-intelligence, ideologically-opposed version happens in the early ''Series/TheWestWing'' episode "[[Recap/TheWestWingS01E21LiesDamnLiesAndStatistics Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics]]". The President has a sit-down with a key Republican named Lobel where the two (quite cheerfully) express their general loathing for one another's politics and list their many disagreements, but they make it clear that there is one issue they agree on - campaign finance reform. The president offers to get asks Lobel onto the FEC if he'll support Bartlett's other candidates. Asked what Lobel gets in return, Bartlett replies "a grateful President"; Lobel promptly accepts.
17th Mar '17 9:42:21 PM merotoker
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* In ''Anime/CodeGeass'', during the infamous [[spoiler:Betrayal]] episode, it falls to Tamaki of all people to say "[[spoiler:Why the hell should we listen to the ''freaking commander of the enemy forces''?! Even if what he says is true and Zero's a Britannian prince, he's gotten us this far and is a hell of a lot more trustworthy than the Emperor's favorite son!]]". His points are briefly considered, but end up being thrown out the window when [[spoiler:Ohgi comes in and confirms that Zero[=/=]Lelouch has a MindControl power and might have been brainwashing them this whole time (he wasn't).]]

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* In ''Anime/CodeGeass'', during the infamous [[spoiler:Betrayal]] episode, it falls to Tamaki of all people to say "[[spoiler:Why the hell should we listen to the ''freaking commander of the enemy forces''?! Even if what he says is true and Zero's a Britannian prince, he's gotten us this far and is a hell of a lot more trustworthy than the Emperor's favorite son!]]". His points are briefly considered, but end up being thrown out the window when [[spoiler:Ohgi comes in and confirms that Zero[=/=]Lelouch has a MindControl power and might have been brainwashing them this whole time (he wasn't).]]wasn't)]].



* In the end of [[Anime/{{K}} K: Return of Kings]], when Misaki [[spoiler: saves Saruhiko from JUNGLE and they finally repair their friendship ([[ShipTease or something more]]), Saruhiko asks why Misaki is no longer angry with him for betraying the Red Clan. Misaki says it's because if he'd go on this dangerous mission for the Blue King, then he ''is'' loyal, because the Blue King was his king all along.]]

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* In the end of [[Anime/{{K}} K: Return of Kings]], when Misaki [[spoiler: saves Saruhiko from JUNGLE and they finally repair their friendship ([[ShipTease or something more]]), Saruhiko asks why Misaki is no longer angry with him for betraying the Red Clan. Misaki says it's because if he'd go on this dangerous mission for the Blue King, then he ''is'' loyal, because the Blue King was his king all along.]] along]].



* In ''Comicbook/UltimateXMen'', during the "Return to Weapon-X" arc, [[Characters/{{Wolverine}} Sabretooth]] is fighting Wolverine, when it occurs to Sabretooth that nobody has ever thought of ''drowning'' Wolvie, and that a HealingFactor would be pretty useless against such a predicament.

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* In ''Comicbook/UltimateXMen'', during the "Return to Weapon-X" arc, [[Characters/{{Wolverine}} Sabretooth]] ComicBook/{{Sabretooth}} is fighting Wolverine, when it occurs to Sabretooth that nobody has ever thought of ''drowning'' Wolvie, and that a HealingFactor would be pretty useless against such a predicament.



* In ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/4192188/10/Lacking-an-Anchor Lacking an Anchor]]'', [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Xander]] disproves Superman's worries about Xander and Powergirl dating, or more accurately having sex, by getting into a fist fight with Supes in a hallway filled with cheap red lightbulbs and some random green rocks. Because Superman ''thinks'' he's been BroughtDownToNormal, he fights like normal human and takes damage like one. Xander explains after that Kryptonian powers work on their subconscious desires (ie, they won't hurt someone on accident if they don't want to).

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* In ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/4192188/10/Lacking-an-Anchor Lacking an Anchor]]'', [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Xander]] disproves Superman's worries about Xander and Powergirl dating, or more accurately having sex, by getting into a fist fight with Supes in a hallway filled with cheap red lightbulbs and some random green rocks. Because Superman ''thinks'' he's been BroughtDownToNormal, he fights like normal human and takes damage like one. Xander explains after that Kryptonian powers work on their subconscious desires (ie, (i.e., they won't hurt someone on accident if they don't want to).



* In ''Film/HomeAlone 2'', at the climax, Marv warns Harry that they should leave when he notices all the pigeons. [[spoiler: He proves right when the pigeon lady appears]].

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* In ''Film/HomeAlone 2'', at the climax, Marv warns Harry that they should leave when he notices all the pigeons. [[spoiler: He proves right when the pigeon lady appears]].appears.]]



* When Brandon delivers his San Francisco speech in ''Literature/TheLeonardRegime''.

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* %%* When Brandon delivers his San Francisco speech in ''Literature/TheLeonardRegime''.



** During the Second Season finale the Scoobies discover a way to return Angel's soul, thus stopping Angelus. Xander's reaction is "I don't care, Angel needs to die," pointing out that Buffy is "ignoring Miss Calendar's murder just so you can get your boyfriend back". While the actual ethics of whether or not Angel can be held liable for Angelus' actions can be debated back and forth (and the show itself seems to take the position that he can't be) Xander is still correct in pointing out that Buffy visibly doesn't ''care'' about what Angelus has done, which is a tad self-centered of her.

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** During the Second Season second season finale the Scoobies discover a way to return Angel's soul, thus stopping Angelus. Xander's reaction is "I don't care, Angel needs to die," pointing out that Buffy is "ignoring Miss Calendar's murder just so you can get your boyfriend back". While the actual ethics of whether or not Angel can be held liable for Angelus' actions can be debated back and forth (and the show itself seems to take the position that he can't be) Xander is still correct in pointing out that Buffy visibly doesn't ''care'' about what Angelus has done, which is a tad self-centered of her.



* In the ''Series/{{Community}}'' episode "[[Recap/CommunityS1E11ThePoliticsOfHumanSexuality The Politics Of Human Sexuality]]" Pierce demonstrates unexpected maturity, wisdom and humility in both discussing Jeff's and his own experiences with women at the end.

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* In the ''Series/{{Community}}'' episode "[[Recap/CommunityS1E11ThePoliticsOfHumanSexuality The Politics Of of Human Sexuality]]" Pierce demonstrates unexpected maturity, wisdom and humility in both discussing Jeff's and his own experiences with women at the end.



* Michael Scott of ''Series/TheOfficeUS'' generally comes up with incredibly stupid and self-centered ideas and observations, to the point where one of the show's [[RunningGag running gags]] is to have Michael try to explain the {{Aesop}} of the episode, only to completely miss the mark. However, there are times when he is genuinely right, such as when he correctly deduces that a new "restructure" of the chain of command is an attempt by David Wallace to not have to interact with Michael so often.

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* Michael Scott of ''Series/TheOfficeUS'' generally comes up with incredibly stupid and self-centered ideas and observations, to the point where one of the show's [[RunningGag running gags]] is to have Michael try to explain the {{Aesop}} [[AnAesop Aesop]] of the episode, only to completely miss the mark. However, there are times when he is genuinely right, such as when he correctly deduces that a new "restructure" of the chain of command is an attempt by David Wallace to not have to interact with Michael so often.



---> '''[[DeadpanSnarker Maggie]]:''' ''*after a beat of dead silence*'' The sound you hear is hell freezing over.

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---> --> '''[[DeadpanSnarker Maggie]]:''' ''*after a beat of dead silence*'' The sound you hear is hell freezing over.



* Happens in this dialogue in ''VideoGame/ManaKhemiaAlchemistsOfAlrevis'':

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* Happens in this dialogue in ''VideoGame/ManaKhemiaAlchemistsOfAlrevis'':''VideoGame/ManaKhemiaAlchemistsOfAlRevis'':



* Another Creator/BioWare example: [[Creator/JohnCleese Sir Roderick]] from ''VideoGame/JadeEmpire'' does manage to make several good points about the Empire's failings, in the midst of his racist complaining about tea and trousers, in particular regarding the fact no one in the Jade Empire thought to use dragonpowder for personal firearms.
** It is, however, implied in the loading screens that the armies use dragonpowder when going to war, and in the ruins near Tien's Landing, some dragonpowder-fueled rockets are used to blast a hole in a wall.

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* Another Creator/BioWare example: [[Creator/JohnCleese Sir Roderick]] from ''VideoGame/JadeEmpire'' does manage to make several good points about the Empire's failings, in the midst of his racist complaining about tea and trousers, in particular regarding the fact no one in the Jade Empire thought to use dragonpowder for personal firearms.
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firearms. It is, however, implied in the loading screens that the armies use dragonpowder when going to war, and in the ruins near Tien's Landing, some dragonpowder-fueled rockets are used to blast a hole in a wall.



** Also, he surprises everyone at the end when he [[spoiler:booby traps the stalemate button. However, he is specifically designed to come up with bad ideas, and preventing the repair of the reactor or getting in Chell's way are both very bad ideas.]]

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** Also, he surprises everyone at the end when he [[spoiler:booby traps the stalemate button. However, he is specifically designed to come up with bad ideas, and preventing the repair of the reactor or getting in Chell's way are both very bad ideas.]]ideas]].



** Youhei proves to be useful at least once in Tomoyo's route, too, but not until near the end: [[spoiler: Tomoya breaks up with Tomoyo so that Tomoya's delinquency won't hold Tomoyo back from winning a position on the Student Council and using it to save the sakura tree from being cut down. ''Youhei's'' the one who gives Tomoya the idea that maybe breaking up with Tomoyo was a bad idea, since they loved each other so much. And indeed, later on Tomoya and Tomoyo get back together.]]

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** Youhei proves to be useful at least once in Tomoyo's route, too, but not until near the end: [[spoiler: Tomoya breaks up with Tomoyo so that Tomoya's delinquency won't hold Tomoyo back from winning a position on the Student Council and using it to save the sakura tree from being cut down. ''Youhei's'' the one who gives Tomoya the idea that maybe breaking up with Tomoyo was a bad idea, since they loved each other so much. And indeed, later on Tomoya and Tomoyo get back together.]]together]].



* In ''Videogame/SonicColors'', after [[spoiler: Eggman's plan backfires (again), Eggman questions how his plan failed. Cubot tells Eggman how this was expected and how Sonic always foils his plans.]] This exchange happens.

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* In ''Videogame/SonicColors'', after [[spoiler: Eggman's plan backfires (again), Eggman questions how his plan failed. Cubot tells Eggman how this was expected and how Sonic always foils his plans.]] plans]]. This exchange happens.



** However, the [[UptoEleven most impressive one]] is given by Torg to Riff regarding Aylee. For years, Riff tried to get rid of Aylee, claiming that she's a threat to humanity, but after a chapter with Torg and Aylee stuck in an alternative dimension, when Torg founds out that Riff still wants to get rid of her, [[http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=070918 Torg snaps]] and [[BreakingSpeech gave a lengthy scolding]] to Riff for his actions against Aylee, citing that, in spite to his belief over her being a human-eater, earth is her home now, and Aylee has honestly tried hard to not eat humans. Also, Torg notices that Riff is a hypocrite by accusing her of being the doom of humanity, but he himself has proved in numerous occasions to be a even ''biggger'' threat to humanity due to his focus on explosives and mad science as a whole. As the events of '''Dimension of Rain''' saga [[{{Foreshadowing}} turned out]], the last statement proved to be ''painfully'' accurate.

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** However, the [[UptoEleven most impressive one]] is given by Torg to Riff regarding Aylee. For years, Riff tried to get rid of Aylee, claiming that she's a threat to humanity, but after a chapter with Torg and Aylee stuck in an alternative dimension, when Torg founds out that Riff still wants to get rid of her, [[http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=070918 Torg snaps]] and [[BreakingSpeech [[BreakThemByTalking gave a lengthy scolding]] to Riff for his actions against Aylee, citing that, in spite to his belief over her being a human-eater, earth is her home now, and Aylee has honestly tried hard to not eat humans. Also, Torg notices that Riff is a hypocrite by accusing her of being the doom of humanity, but he himself has proved in numerous occasions to be a even ''biggger'' threat to humanity due to his focus on explosives and mad science as a whole. As the events of '''Dimension of Rain''' saga [[{{Foreshadowing}} turned out]], the last statement proved to be ''painfully'' accurate.



* In ''Webcomic/MMBN7TheWorldTournament'', [[CloudCuckooLander Cloud Cuckoolander]] Anetta is the only one to come up with the idea to [[spoiler: track Regurk using the spy program in Dark Scythe's PET]]. Not even ''Baryl'' thought about doing that. {{lampshade|Hanging}}d of course.

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* In ''Webcomic/MMBN7TheWorldTournament'', [[CloudCuckooLander Cloud Cuckoolander]] Anetta is the only one to come up with the idea to [[spoiler: track Regurk using the spy program in Dark Scythe's PET]]. Not even ''Baryl'' thought about doing that. {{lampshade|Hanging}}d {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d of course.



--> '''Skarr''' Look if i want to kill you that's MY prerogative, okay?!

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--> '''Skarr''' Look if i I want to kill you that's MY prerogative, okay?!



** In earlier episodes, Patrick tended to be the one to suggest that Squidward didn't like him and Spongebob. Spongebob, naturally found such a notion unthinkable.
** One episode features Spongebob and Patrick getting paint on Mr. Krabs' first dollar, his most prized possession. They spend the rest of the episode trying to fix it before Mr. Krabs comes home, only for Patrick to point out how ridiculous the whole situation is.

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** In earlier episodes, Patrick tended to be the one to suggest that Squidward didn't like him and Spongebob. Spongebob, [=SpongeBob=]. [=SpongeBob=], naturally found such a notion unthinkable.
** One episode features Spongebob [=SpongeBob=] and Patrick getting paint on Mr. Krabs' first dollar, his most prized possession. They spend the rest of the episode trying to fix it before Mr. Krabs comes home, only for Patrick to point out how ridiculous the whole situation is.
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