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22nd Mar '17 5:40:53 AM MaulMachine
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* The comparable-intelligence, ideologically-opposed version happens in the early ''Series/TheWestWing'' episode "[[Recap/TheWestWingS01E21LiesDamnLiesAndStatistics Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics]]". The President has a sit-down with a key Republican named Lobel where the two (quite cheerfully) express their general loathing for one another's politics and list their many disagreements, but they make it clear that there is one issue they agree on - campaign finance reform. The president offers to get Lobel onto the FEC if he'll support Bartlett's other candidates. Asked what Lobel gets in return, Bartlett replies "a grateful President"; Lobel promptly accepts.

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* The comparable-intelligence, ideologically-opposed version happens in the early ''Series/TheWestWing'' episode "[[Recap/TheWestWingS01E21LiesDamnLiesAndStatistics Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics]]". The President has a sit-down with a key Republican named Lobel where the two (quite cheerfully) express their general loathing for one another's politics and list their many disagreements, but they make it clear that there is one issue they agree on - campaign finance reform. The president offers to get asks Lobel onto the FEC if he'll support Bartlett's other candidates. Asked what Lobel gets in return, Bartlett replies "a grateful President"; Lobel promptly accepts.
17th Mar '17 9:42:21 PM merotoker
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* In ''Anime/CodeGeass'', during the infamous [[spoiler:Betrayal]] episode, it falls to Tamaki of all people to say "[[spoiler:Why the hell should we listen to the ''freaking commander of the enemy forces''?! Even if what he says is true and Zero's a Britannian prince, he's gotten us this far and is a hell of a lot more trustworthy than the Emperor's favorite son!]]". His points are briefly considered, but end up being thrown out the window when [[spoiler:Ohgi comes in and confirms that Zero[=/=]Lelouch has a MindControl power and might have been brainwashing them this whole time (he wasn't).]]

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* In ''Anime/CodeGeass'', during the infamous [[spoiler:Betrayal]] episode, it falls to Tamaki of all people to say "[[spoiler:Why the hell should we listen to the ''freaking commander of the enemy forces''?! Even if what he says is true and Zero's a Britannian prince, he's gotten us this far and is a hell of a lot more trustworthy than the Emperor's favorite son!]]". His points are briefly considered, but end up being thrown out the window when [[spoiler:Ohgi comes in and confirms that Zero[=/=]Lelouch has a MindControl power and might have been brainwashing them this whole time (he wasn't).]]wasn't)]].



* In the end of [[Anime/{{K}} K: Return of Kings]], when Misaki [[spoiler: saves Saruhiko from JUNGLE and they finally repair their friendship ([[ShipTease or something more]]), Saruhiko asks why Misaki is no longer angry with him for betraying the Red Clan. Misaki says it's because if he'd go on this dangerous mission for the Blue King, then he ''is'' loyal, because the Blue King was his king all along.]]

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* In the end of [[Anime/{{K}} K: Return of Kings]], when Misaki [[spoiler: saves Saruhiko from JUNGLE and they finally repair their friendship ([[ShipTease or something more]]), Saruhiko asks why Misaki is no longer angry with him for betraying the Red Clan. Misaki says it's because if he'd go on this dangerous mission for the Blue King, then he ''is'' loyal, because the Blue King was his king all along.]] along]].



* In ''Comicbook/UltimateXMen'', during the "Return to Weapon-X" arc, [[Characters/{{Wolverine}} Sabretooth]] is fighting Wolverine, when it occurs to Sabretooth that nobody has ever thought of ''drowning'' Wolvie, and that a HealingFactor would be pretty useless against such a predicament.

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* In ''Comicbook/UltimateXMen'', during the "Return to Weapon-X" arc, [[Characters/{{Wolverine}} Sabretooth]] ComicBook/{{Sabretooth}} is fighting Wolverine, when it occurs to Sabretooth that nobody has ever thought of ''drowning'' Wolvie, and that a HealingFactor would be pretty useless against such a predicament.



* In ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/4192188/10/Lacking-an-Anchor Lacking an Anchor]]'', [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Xander]] disproves Superman's worries about Xander and Powergirl dating, or more accurately having sex, by getting into a fist fight with Supes in a hallway filled with cheap red lightbulbs and some random green rocks. Because Superman ''thinks'' he's been BroughtDownToNormal, he fights like normal human and takes damage like one. Xander explains after that Kryptonian powers work on their subconscious desires (ie, they won't hurt someone on accident if they don't want to).

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* In ''[[https://www.fanfiction.net/s/4192188/10/Lacking-an-Anchor Lacking an Anchor]]'', [[Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer Xander]] disproves Superman's worries about Xander and Powergirl dating, or more accurately having sex, by getting into a fist fight with Supes in a hallway filled with cheap red lightbulbs and some random green rocks. Because Superman ''thinks'' he's been BroughtDownToNormal, he fights like normal human and takes damage like one. Xander explains after that Kryptonian powers work on their subconscious desires (ie, (i.e., they won't hurt someone on accident if they don't want to).



* In ''Film/HomeAlone 2'', at the climax, Marv warns Harry that they should leave when he notices all the pigeons. [[spoiler: He proves right when the pigeon lady appears]].

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* In ''Film/HomeAlone 2'', at the climax, Marv warns Harry that they should leave when he notices all the pigeons. [[spoiler: He proves right when the pigeon lady appears]].appears.]]



* When Brandon delivers his San Francisco speech in ''Literature/TheLeonardRegime''.

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* %%* When Brandon delivers his San Francisco speech in ''Literature/TheLeonardRegime''.



** During the Second Season finale the Scoobies discover a way to return Angel's soul, thus stopping Angelus. Xander's reaction is "I don't care, Angel needs to die," pointing out that Buffy is "ignoring Miss Calendar's murder just so you can get your boyfriend back". While the actual ethics of whether or not Angel can be held liable for Angelus' actions can be debated back and forth (and the show itself seems to take the position that he can't be) Xander is still correct in pointing out that Buffy visibly doesn't ''care'' about what Angelus has done, which is a tad self-centered of her.

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** During the Second Season second season finale the Scoobies discover a way to return Angel's soul, thus stopping Angelus. Xander's reaction is "I don't care, Angel needs to die," pointing out that Buffy is "ignoring Miss Calendar's murder just so you can get your boyfriend back". While the actual ethics of whether or not Angel can be held liable for Angelus' actions can be debated back and forth (and the show itself seems to take the position that he can't be) Xander is still correct in pointing out that Buffy visibly doesn't ''care'' about what Angelus has done, which is a tad self-centered of her.



* In the ''Series/{{Community}}'' episode "[[Recap/CommunityS1E11ThePoliticsOfHumanSexuality The Politics Of Human Sexuality]]" Pierce demonstrates unexpected maturity, wisdom and humility in both discussing Jeff's and his own experiences with women at the end.

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* In the ''Series/{{Community}}'' episode "[[Recap/CommunityS1E11ThePoliticsOfHumanSexuality The Politics Of of Human Sexuality]]" Pierce demonstrates unexpected maturity, wisdom and humility in both discussing Jeff's and his own experiences with women at the end.



* Michael Scott of ''Series/TheOfficeUS'' generally comes up with incredibly stupid and self-centered ideas and observations, to the point where one of the show's [[RunningGag running gags]] is to have Michael try to explain the {{Aesop}} of the episode, only to completely miss the mark. However, there are times when he is genuinely right, such as when he correctly deduces that a new "restructure" of the chain of command is an attempt by David Wallace to not have to interact with Michael so often.

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* Michael Scott of ''Series/TheOfficeUS'' generally comes up with incredibly stupid and self-centered ideas and observations, to the point where one of the show's [[RunningGag running gags]] is to have Michael try to explain the {{Aesop}} [[AnAesop Aesop]] of the episode, only to completely miss the mark. However, there are times when he is genuinely right, such as when he correctly deduces that a new "restructure" of the chain of command is an attempt by David Wallace to not have to interact with Michael so often.



---> '''[[DeadpanSnarker Maggie]]:''' ''*after a beat of dead silence*'' The sound you hear is hell freezing over.

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* Happens in this dialogue in ''VideoGame/ManaKhemiaAlchemistsOfAlrevis'':

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* Happens in this dialogue in ''VideoGame/ManaKhemiaAlchemistsOfAlrevis'':''VideoGame/ManaKhemiaAlchemistsOfAlRevis'':



* Another Creator/BioWare example: [[Creator/JohnCleese Sir Roderick]] from ''VideoGame/JadeEmpire'' does manage to make several good points about the Empire's failings, in the midst of his racist complaining about tea and trousers, in particular regarding the fact no one in the Jade Empire thought to use dragonpowder for personal firearms.
** It is, however, implied in the loading screens that the armies use dragonpowder when going to war, and in the ruins near Tien's Landing, some dragonpowder-fueled rockets are used to blast a hole in a wall.

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* Another Creator/BioWare example: [[Creator/JohnCleese Sir Roderick]] from ''VideoGame/JadeEmpire'' does manage to make several good points about the Empire's failings, in the midst of his racist complaining about tea and trousers, in particular regarding the fact no one in the Jade Empire thought to use dragonpowder for personal firearms.
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firearms. It is, however, implied in the loading screens that the armies use dragonpowder when going to war, and in the ruins near Tien's Landing, some dragonpowder-fueled rockets are used to blast a hole in a wall.



** Also, he surprises everyone at the end when he [[spoiler:booby traps the stalemate button. However, he is specifically designed to come up with bad ideas, and preventing the repair of the reactor or getting in Chell's way are both very bad ideas.]]

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** Also, he surprises everyone at the end when he [[spoiler:booby traps the stalemate button. However, he is specifically designed to come up with bad ideas, and preventing the repair of the reactor or getting in Chell's way are both very bad ideas.]]ideas]].



** Youhei proves to be useful at least once in Tomoyo's route, too, but not until near the end: [[spoiler: Tomoya breaks up with Tomoyo so that Tomoya's delinquency won't hold Tomoyo back from winning a position on the Student Council and using it to save the sakura tree from being cut down. ''Youhei's'' the one who gives Tomoya the idea that maybe breaking up with Tomoyo was a bad idea, since they loved each other so much. And indeed, later on Tomoya and Tomoyo get back together.]]

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** Youhei proves to be useful at least once in Tomoyo's route, too, but not until near the end: [[spoiler: Tomoya breaks up with Tomoyo so that Tomoya's delinquency won't hold Tomoyo back from winning a position on the Student Council and using it to save the sakura tree from being cut down. ''Youhei's'' the one who gives Tomoya the idea that maybe breaking up with Tomoyo was a bad idea, since they loved each other so much. And indeed, later on Tomoya and Tomoyo get back together.]]together]].



* In ''Videogame/SonicColors'', after [[spoiler: Eggman's plan backfires (again), Eggman questions how his plan failed. Cubot tells Eggman how this was expected and how Sonic always foils his plans.]] This exchange happens.

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* In ''Videogame/SonicColors'', after [[spoiler: Eggman's plan backfires (again), Eggman questions how his plan failed. Cubot tells Eggman how this was expected and how Sonic always foils his plans.]] plans]]. This exchange happens.



** However, the [[UptoEleven most impressive one]] is given by Torg to Riff regarding Aylee. For years, Riff tried to get rid of Aylee, claiming that she's a threat to humanity, but after a chapter with Torg and Aylee stuck in an alternative dimension, when Torg founds out that Riff still wants to get rid of her, [[http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=070918 Torg snaps]] and [[BreakingSpeech gave a lengthy scolding]] to Riff for his actions against Aylee, citing that, in spite to his belief over her being a human-eater, earth is her home now, and Aylee has honestly tried hard to not eat humans. Also, Torg notices that Riff is a hypocrite by accusing her of being the doom of humanity, but he himself has proved in numerous occasions to be a even ''biggger'' threat to humanity due to his focus on explosives and mad science as a whole. As the events of '''Dimension of Rain''' saga [[{{Foreshadowing}} turned out]], the last statement proved to be ''painfully'' accurate.

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** However, the [[UptoEleven most impressive one]] is given by Torg to Riff regarding Aylee. For years, Riff tried to get rid of Aylee, claiming that she's a threat to humanity, but after a chapter with Torg and Aylee stuck in an alternative dimension, when Torg founds out that Riff still wants to get rid of her, [[http://www.sluggy.com/daily.php?date=070918 Torg snaps]] and [[BreakingSpeech [[BreakThemByTalking gave a lengthy scolding]] to Riff for his actions against Aylee, citing that, in spite to his belief over her being a human-eater, earth is her home now, and Aylee has honestly tried hard to not eat humans. Also, Torg notices that Riff is a hypocrite by accusing her of being the doom of humanity, but he himself has proved in numerous occasions to be a even ''biggger'' threat to humanity due to his focus on explosives and mad science as a whole. As the events of '''Dimension of Rain''' saga [[{{Foreshadowing}} turned out]], the last statement proved to be ''painfully'' accurate.



* In ''Webcomic/MMBN7TheWorldTournament'', [[CloudCuckooLander Cloud Cuckoolander]] Anetta is the only one to come up with the idea to [[spoiler: track Regurk using the spy program in Dark Scythe's PET]]. Not even ''Baryl'' thought about doing that. {{lampshade|Hanging}}d of course.

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* In ''Webcomic/MMBN7TheWorldTournament'', [[CloudCuckooLander Cloud Cuckoolander]] Anetta is the only one to come up with the idea to [[spoiler: track Regurk using the spy program in Dark Scythe's PET]]. Not even ''Baryl'' thought about doing that. {{lampshade|Hanging}}d {{Lampshade|Hanging}}d of course.



--> '''Skarr''' Look if i want to kill you that's MY prerogative, okay?!

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--> '''Skarr''' Look if i I want to kill you that's MY prerogative, okay?!



** In earlier episodes, Patrick tended to be the one to suggest that Squidward didn't like him and Spongebob. Spongebob, naturally found such a notion unthinkable.
** One episode features Spongebob and Patrick getting paint on Mr. Krabs' first dollar, his most prized possession. They spend the rest of the episode trying to fix it before Mr. Krabs comes home, only for Patrick to point out how ridiculous the whole situation is.

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** In earlier episodes, Patrick tended to be the one to suggest that Squidward didn't like him and Spongebob. Spongebob, [=SpongeBob=]. [=SpongeBob=], naturally found such a notion unthinkable.
** One episode features Spongebob [=SpongeBob=] and Patrick getting paint on Mr. Krabs' first dollar, his most prized possession. They spend the rest of the episode trying to fix it before Mr. Krabs comes home, only for Patrick to point out how ridiculous the whole situation is.
14th Mar '17 11:55:10 PM Ganymede8
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** In another episode, Patrick states that dumb people are totally unaware of how dumb they really are. Coming from a dim-witted starfish, this is actually true.
13th Mar '17 9:53:09 AM arkholt
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* In ''Webcomic/TheBirdFeeder'' [[http://thebirdfeeder.com/comic/140 #140]], "Predictions," Terry, normally seen as [[TheDitz dumb]], correctly predicts rain against all odds (though he had been predicting rain every day for the past week).
11th Mar '17 6:57:26 PM Ryan37352
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* While infiltrating Big Mom's home island, Nami freaks out when a giant crocodile in human clothes speaks to them and walks away. Luffy points out they have seen weird things like that before, pointing to their present company Chopper and Carrot, a literal bunny-girl.

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* ** While infiltrating Big Mom's home island, Nami freaks out when a giant crocodile in human clothes speaks to them and walks away. Luffy points out they have seen weird things like that before, pointing to their present company Chopper and Carrot, a literal bunny-girl.
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* While infiltrating Big Mom's home island, Nami freaks out when a giant crocodile in human clothes speaks to them and walks away. Luffy points out they have seen weird things like that before, pointing to their present company Chopper and Carrot, a literal bunny-girl.
24th Feb '17 2:02:56 PM mlsmithca
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* Asterix the Gaul's best bud, Obelix, is ordinarily the ''Dumb Muscle'' of the group. He does occasionally have ideas that actually save the day, when he figured out that, since he took a horse, Cacophonix the bard went on a long journey, meaning he went to Luteia as he earlier considered to try his hand at professional singing. Druid Getafix, surprised at the dumb but lovable hero's insight, stated "That boy does have his moments!"

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* Asterix the Gaul's best bud, Obelix, ''ComicBook/{{Asterix}}'': Obelix is ordinarily the ''Dumb Muscle'' DumbMuscle of the group. He group, but he does occasionally have ideas that actually save the day, day. For example, in ''Recap/AsterixAndTheNormans'', he is able to track down the GiftedlyBad bard Cacofonix when he figured figures out that, since he took a horse, Cacophonix the bard went he has gone on a long journey, meaning he went he's acted on a suggestion to Luteia as he earlier considered go to Lutetia to try his hand at professional singing. Druid Getafix, surprised at the dumb but lovable hero's insight, stated states, "That boy does have his moments!"



* In ''Metaverse'' Sirius tries to buy the ''Daily Prophet'' in order to stop it from slandering Harry and himself, only to be turned down. His wife Helga, who used to be [[{{ItMakesSenseInContext}} a house elf]], suggests that if he can't buy the paper, then he should buy their ''paper''. (I.e., their future supply of printing paper.)

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* In ''Metaverse'' Sirius tries to buy the ''Daily Prophet'' in order to stop it from slandering Harry and himself, only to be turned down. His wife Helga, who used to be [[{{ItMakesSenseInContext}} [[ItMakesSenseInContext a house elf]], suggests that if he can't buy the paper, then he should buy their ''paper''. (I.e., their future supply of printing paper.)



** In ''[[{{VideoGame/GuiltyGear}} Guilty Gear Xrd]]'', the super-intelligent dragon wizard, Dr. Paradigm, appears in Story Mode without the bubble of water he used to have around him to breathe in ''Guilty Gear 2: Overture.'' As it turns out, this is because the super-'''un'''inteligent Sin Kiske once asked him why, given his mental acumen, he didn't just make a spell that let him breathe air.

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** In ''[[{{VideoGame/GuiltyGear}} ''[[VideoGame/GuiltyGear Guilty Gear Xrd]]'', the super-intelligent dragon wizard, Dr. Paradigm, appears in Story Mode without the bubble of water he used to have around him to breathe in ''Guilty Gear 2: Overture.'' As it turns out, this is because the super-'''un'''inteligent Sin Kiske once asked him why, given his mental acumen, he didn't just make a spell that let him breathe air.
8th Jan '17 8:29:24 PM scooter
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---> '''[[[DeadpanSnarker Maggie]]:''' ''*after a beat of dead silence*'' The sound you hear is hell freezing over.

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---> '''[[[DeadpanSnarker '''[[DeadpanSnarker Maggie]]:''' ''*after a beat of dead silence*'' The sound you hear is hell freezing over.
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* Lampshaded on the one occasion when the office dumbass Clark has an actual good idea on the short-lived ''Series/AllInTheFamily'' spinoff ''Gloria''.
---> '''[[[DeadpanSnarker Maggie]]:''' ''*after a beat of dead silence*'' The sound you hear is hell freezing over.
3rd Jan '17 12:09:31 PM tromag
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** Season Three: When consulting his grandfather [[MagnificentBastard Tywin]] in the throne room, Joffrey voices his concerns about Daenerys Targaryen and her three dragons. Tywin brushes the threat aside, but the viewer has already seen that Daenerys, her dragons and her army are a real threat.

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** Season Three: When consulting his grandfather [[MagnificentBastard Tywin]] in the throne room, Joffrey voices his concerns about Daenerys Targaryen and her three dragons. Tywin brushes the threat aside, but the viewer has already seen that Daenerys, her dragons and her army are a real threat. (In fairness, it's possible that Tywin already understood the threat, but had no interest in Joffrey trying to help deal with it.)
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