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27th Jan '16 1:38:07 PM ironballs16
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* ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'' can reach this level if you care to check its backstory. The clash of multiple [[DeadlyDecadentCourt Deadly Decadent Courts]] (a clash which did not even so much as ''slow down'' when the Clans invaded) and continuous wars (against the Clans, against the Word of Blake, against each other, etc) that have constantly knocked down the whole Inner Sphere can make the fluff feel to some like ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' [[RecycledInSpace IN SPACE]] with HumongousMecha (and you can read above about why ''this'' is a bad thing). There are plenty of sympathetic characters on the canon, but in the end the Inner Sphere is just not going to ''ever'' change from being a war-wreaked [[CrapsackWorld Crapsack]] ''[[UpToEleven Galaxy]]'', no matter their efforts, so why bother about seeing their success if you know in the long run it will all go to hell again?
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* ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'' can reach this level if you care to check its backstory. The clash of multiple [[DeadlyDecadentCourt Deadly Decadent Courts]] (a clash which did not even so much as ''slow down'' when the Clans invaded) and continuous wars (against the Clans, against the Word of Blake, [[WeAREStrugglingTogether against each other, other]], etc) that have constantly knocked down the whole Inner Sphere can make the fluff feel to some like ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' [[RecycledInSpace IN SPACE]] with HumongousMecha (and you can read above about why ''this'' is a bad thing). There are plenty of sympathetic characters on the canon, but in the end the Inner Sphere is just not going to ''ever'' change from being a war-wreaked [[CrapsackWorld Crapsack]] ''[[UpToEleven Galaxy]]'', no matter their efforts, so why bother about seeing their success if you know in the long run it will all go to hell again?
10th Jan '16 11:23:09 AM ZerroDefex
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** Having a balance between good characters/factions and evil characters/factions is tricky to obtain. Favoring the role play too much to the good guys will bore players and favoring the bad guys too much will make players believe that EvilIsCool for the wrong reasons. The conflict between opposing factions can also turn off players if the reason behind the conflict isn't interesting or meaningful.\\
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** Having a balance between good characters/factions and evil characters/factions is tricky to obtain. Favoring the role play too much to the good guys will bore players and favoring the bad guys too much will make players believe that EvilIsCool for the wrong reasons. The conflict between opposing factions can also turn off players if the reason behind the conflict isn't interesting or meaningful.\\
10th Jan '16 11:22:35 AM ZerroDefex
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* Abusing TheWorldIsAlwaysDoomed trope is a surefire way to get players to not care what happens to the world or even take on the role of an OmnicidalManiac to quickly destroy everything just to have something different happen. Shock value goes out the window if there's always a monster or some other force threatening the state of the world every week.\\ \\ Having most of the characters act like total jerks is also a quick way to cause heavy lack of interest in the setting, especially if the setting is in a CrapsackWorld. If there are no such thing as good people or the people that try to do good are always punished, then players will become extremely uninterested knowing that [[StatusQuoIsGod nothing will change]] and that [[WretchedHive everyone only thrives in being a prick to one another]].\\ \\ Having a balance between good characters/factions and evil characters/factions is tricky to obtain. Favoring the role play too much to the good guys will bore players and favoring the bad guys too much will make players believe that EvilIsCool for the wrong reasons. The conflict between opposing factions can also turn off players if the reason behind the conflict isn't interesting or meaningful.\\ \\ Constant conflict of any kind is also a guaranteed way to make players feel bored because there's no rest or times of peace to alleviate all the near endless fighting.
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* Abusing TheWorldIsAlwaysDoomed trope is a surefire way to get players to not care what happens to the world or even take on the role of an OmnicidalManiac to quickly destroy everything just to have something different happen. Shock value goes out the window if there's always a monster or some other force threatening the state of the world every week.\\ \\ Having week. **Having most of the characters act like total jerks is also a quick way to cause heavy lack of interest in the setting, especially if the setting is in a CrapsackWorld. If there are no such thing as good people or the people that try to do good are always punished, then players will become extremely uninterested knowing that [[StatusQuoIsGod nothing will change]] and that [[WretchedHive everyone only thrives in being a prick to one another]].\\ \\ Having another]]. **Having a balance between good characters/factions and evil characters/factions is tricky to obtain. Favoring the role play too much to the good guys will bore players and favoring the bad guys too much will make players believe that EvilIsCool for the wrong reasons. The conflict between opposing factions can also turn off players if the reason behind the conflict isn't interesting or meaningful.\\ \\ Constant **Constant conflict of any kind is also a guaranteed way to make players feel bored because there's no rest or times of peace to alleviate all the near endless fighting.

* With the revelations in the last two Horizon adventure packs that the only four major factions (The Draco Foundation, the Great Dragon Hestaby, Buttercup, and Horizon) that could still be said to be in any way 'good' (or even anti-heroic) are really as expedient and guilty of atrocity and terror as the rest, and only differ in the nature and scope of their self-rationalizations but are as mired in the basest of motivations as every other setting villain, some fans believe that the ''TabletopGame/{{Shadowrun}}'' universe has finally hit this threshold.\\ \\ The part where several of the writers openly expressed scorn [[WordOfGod on forums]] at the idea of shadowrunners having any kind of ethics (even antiheroic ones) instead of just being people who gladly do horrible things for money, and the promotion in storylines and flavor text of several NPC shadowrunners who exemplified that utterly amoral attitude from 'the runners even other shadowrunners look down on' to 'well-respected and widely admired figures of their professional community' isn't helping much either. One of them (Haze) is canonically a serial rapist who uses drugs to incapacitate his victims. Another (Clockwork) is a {{Fantastic Racis|m}}t who makes money selling fellow runners with technomancer powers to megacorporate vivisection labs, and openly admits to anyone who asks that he'd cheerfully sell out anyone, including other team members, to the authorities in return for money (something that's normally considered an unforgivable sin among even the most depraved criminal community, and yet is entirely ignored in-setting). Another (Kane) has been the reigning world champion of excess collateral damage and carelessness with the lives of innocent bystanders for two editions. All of these characters have been promoted to ''signature NPC status'', instead of their prior canonical treatment as cautionary tales/shadowrunner antagonists.
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* With the revelations in the last two Horizon adventure packs that the only four major factions (The Draco Foundation, the Great Dragon Hestaby, Buttercup, and Horizon) that could still be said to be in any way 'good' (or even anti-heroic) are really as expedient and guilty of atrocity and terror as the rest, and only differ in the nature and scope of their self-rationalizations but are as mired in the basest of motivations as every other setting villain, some fans believe that the ''TabletopGame/{{Shadowrun}}'' universe has finally hit this threshold.\\ \\ The threshold. **The part where several of the writers openly expressed scorn [[WordOfGod on forums]] at the idea of shadowrunners having any kind of ethics (even antiheroic ones) instead of just being people who gladly do horrible things for money, and the promotion in storylines and flavor text of several NPC shadowrunners who exemplified that utterly amoral attitude from 'the runners even other shadowrunners look down on' to 'well-respected and widely admired figures of their professional community' isn't helping much either. One of them (Haze) is canonically a serial rapist who uses drugs to incapacitate his victims. Another (Clockwork) is a {{Fantastic Racis|m}}t who makes money selling fellow runners with technomancer powers to megacorporate vivisection labs, and openly admits to anyone who asks that he'd cheerfully sell out anyone, including other team members, to the authorities in return for money (something that's normally considered an unforgivable sin among even the most depraved criminal community, and yet is entirely ignored in-setting). Another (Kane) has been the reigning world champion of excess collateral damage and carelessness with the lives of innocent bystanders for two editions. All of these characters have been promoted to ''signature NPC status'', instead of their prior canonical treatment as cautionary tales/shadowrunner antagonists.
3rd Jan '16 10:31:15 AM KingLyger
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* Nothing has gone right for any of the good guys since day one of ''WebComic/GhostsOfTheFuture''. The comic even starts with the main heroes of the ''Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog'' franchise dying. The Scourge arc, in particular, is one long sequence of "one step forward, two steps back." The author has lampshaded this, saying "I show my feelings of admiration through doing horrible, horrible things to the characters I like."
3rd Jan '16 1:29:20 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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->''"Ruined World + cast of jerk = [[EightDeadlyWords I don't care what happens to these guys]]"''
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->''"Ruined World + cast of jerk = [[EightDeadlyWords I don't care what happens to these guys]]"''guys"''
3rd Jan '16 1:26:32 AM TSBasilisk
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->''"Ruined World + cast of jerk = I don't care what happens to these guys"''
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->''"Ruined World + cast of jerk = [[EightDeadlyWords I don't care what happens to these guys"''guys]]"''
26th Dec '15 10:31:32 PM louisXVI
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* ''ComicStrip/Peanuts'': Though the comic did generally achieve an agreeable balance between the light-hearted charm of the other characters and the morose nature of Charlie Brown, the strip did always have its critics who found it too downcast overall. The infamous "Lucy and the football" running gag is particularly polarizing; some found the joke increasingly sadistic as the years (and decades) went on. The animated cartoons generally received harsher criticism for being "too mean," with ''It's Your First Kiss, Charlie Brown'' actually having some scenes softened for syndication.
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* ''ComicStrip/Peanuts'': ''ComicStrip/{{Peanuts}}'': Though the comic did generally achieve an agreeable balance between the light-hearted charm of the other characters and the morose nature of Charlie Brown, the strip did always have its critics who found it too downcast overall. The infamous "Lucy and the football" running gag is particularly polarizing; some found the joke increasingly sadistic as the years (and decades) went on. The animated cartoons generally received harsher criticism for being "too mean," with ''It's Your First Kiss, Charlie Brown'' actually having some scenes softened for syndication.
26th Dec '15 10:31:02 PM louisXVI
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* ''ComicStrip/Peanuts'': Though the comic did generally achieve an agreeable balance between the light-hearted charm of the other characters and the morose nature of Charlie Brown, the strip did always have its critics who found it too downcast overall. The infamous "Lucy and the football" running gag is particularly polarizing; some found the joke increasingly sadistic as the years (and decades) went on. The animated cartoons generally received harsher criticism for being "too mean," with ''It's Your First Kiss, Charlie Brown'' actually having some scenes softened for syndication.
12th Dec '15 10:10:20 AM Nyame
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* After the ending to ''Wrestling/SurvivorSeries 2015'', many fans are starting to feel this in regards to the main roster booking. The WWE's constant need to keep doing the same thing and protecting their chosen golden boys over the [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ensemble Darkhorses]] has caused the fans, not just the smarks, to become rather jaded. Nothing interesting is happening, there is no risk-taking in regards to booking, and it just feels as if the company is doing this just to spite the fans. Granted, the blame can't lie entirely on that one PPV -- it was more-or-less a culmination of the booking of 2015 in general, and the aftermaths of the last two ''Wrestling/RoyalRumble'' events, where the fans had to ''riot'' to get what they want. It just seems that when they riot loud enough, the company does what they want to shut them up, and then when they calm down, it starts doing what it wants and pisses the fans off again. This constant cycle is starting to wear on the viewers, and many have just become so cynical that they've started give up on the product entirely and move on to different things.
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* After the ending to ''Wrestling/SurvivorSeries 2015'', many fans are starting to feel this in regards to the main roster booking. The WWE's constant need to keep doing the same thing and protecting their chosen golden boys over the [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ensemble Darkhorses]] has caused the fans, not just the smarks, to become rather jaded. Nothing interesting is happening, there is no risk-taking in regards to booking, and it just feels as if the company is doing this just to spite the fans. Granted, the blame can't lie entirely on that one PPV -- it was more-or-less a culmination of the booking of 2015 in general, and the aftermaths of the last two ''Wrestling/RoyalRumble'' events, where the fans had to ''riot'' to get what they want. It just seems that when they riot loud enough, the company does what they want to shut them up, and then when they calm down, it starts doing what it wants and pisses the fans off again. This constant cycle is starting to wear on the viewers, and many have just become so cynical that they've started give up on the product entirely and move on to different things. The fans have been so victimized and beaten into submission that even cities with crowds that skew toward the SmartMark portion of the fan base have become dead and even the most popular superstars barely get a notable reaction, while ratings have fallen to a low not seen since September 1997, before the Wrestling/AttitudeEra when ''RAW'' was getting trounced by ''Nitro''. WWE, noticing the problem, has gone into [[AuthorsSavingThrow panic mode]] and yet have failed terribly in fixing things, which does not bode well for the upcoming ''Wrestling/WrestleMania'' season.
24th Nov '15 7:21:28 AM Nyame
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* After the ending to ''Wrestling/SurvivorSeries 2015'', many fans are starting to feel this in regards to the main roster booking. The WWE's constant need to keep doing the same thing and protecting their chosen golden boys over the [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ensemble Darkhorses]] has caused the fans, not just the smarks, to become rather jaded. Nothing interesting is happening, there is no risk-taking in regards to booking, and it just feels as if the company is doing this just to spite the fans. Granted, the blame can't lie entirely on that one PPV -- it was more-or-less a culmination of the booking of 2015 in general, and the aftermaths of the last two ''Wrestling/RoyalRumble'' events, where the fans had to ''riot'' to get what they want. It just seems that when they riot loud enough, the company does what they want to shut them up, and then when they calm down, it starts doing what they want and pisses the fans off again. This constant cycle is starting to wear on the viewers, and many have just become so cynical that they've started give up on the product entirely and move on to different things.
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* After the ending to ''Wrestling/SurvivorSeries 2015'', many fans are starting to feel this in regards to the main roster booking. The WWE's constant need to keep doing the same thing and protecting their chosen golden boys over the [[EnsembleDarkhorse Ensemble Darkhorses]] has caused the fans, not just the smarks, to become rather jaded. Nothing interesting is happening, there is no risk-taking in regards to booking, and it just feels as if the company is doing this just to spite the fans. Granted, the blame can't lie entirely on that one PPV -- it was more-or-less a culmination of the booking of 2015 in general, and the aftermaths of the last two ''Wrestling/RoyalRumble'' events, where the fans had to ''riot'' to get what they want. It just seems that when they riot loud enough, the company does what they want to shut them up, and then when they calm down, it starts doing what they want it wants and pisses the fans off again. This constant cycle is starting to wear on the viewers, and many have just become so cynical that they've started give up on the product entirely and move on to different things.
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