History Main / DarknessInducedAudienceApathy

12th Jun '17 10:34:44 AM Anddrix
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* Weirdly enough, this is a trope that is actually ''[[TropesAreTools encouraged]]'' in the horror genre. There's a very common (Though not ubequitious) school of thought that says that despair is one of the critical components of a horror story. Therefore, giving the protagonists any hope of a happy ending will take away from the [[TrueArtIsAngsty essential bleakness]], and ruin the entire point of a horror story.
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12th Jun '17 9:49:34 AM digiman619
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** Wrestling/WrestleMania 32 was a unfortunate study in this; every match leading to the main event either was undone the next night on Raw (Wrestiling/ZackRyder winning the IC belt, Wrestling/TheUndertaker def Wrestling/ShaneMcMahon), or had [[TheBadGuyWins the heel win]] (The League of Nations def The New Day, Jericho def AJ Styles, Brock Lesnar def Dean Ambrose, Charlotte winning the Triple Threat for the new Women's Championship, Baron Corbin winning the Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal), and the final bout crowned major CreatorsPet and XPacHeat recipient Wrestling/RomanReigns WWE Champion over the [[RootingForTheEmpire heel-but-still-preferred]] Wrestling/TripleH.

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** * Wrestling/WrestleMania 32 was a unfortunate study in this; every match leading to the main event either was undone the next night on Raw (Wrestiling/ZackRyder winning the IC belt, Wrestling/TheUndertaker def Wrestling/ShaneMcMahon), or had [[TheBadGuyWins the heel win]] (The League of Nations def The New Day, Jericho def AJ Styles, Brock Lesnar def Dean Ambrose, Charlotte winning the Triple Threat for the new Women's Championship, Baron Corbin winning the Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal), and the final bout crowned major CreatorsPet and XPacHeat recipient Wrestling/RomanReigns WWE Champion over the [[RootingForTheEmpire heel-but-still-preferred]] Wrestling/TripleH.
7th Jun '17 11:48:45 PM Giantleviathan
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* Weirdly enough, this is a trope that is actually ''[[TropesAreTools encouraged]]'' in the horror genre. There's a very common (Though not ubequitious) school of thought that says that despair is one of the critical components of a horror story. Therefore, giving the protagonists any hope of a happy ending will take away from the [[TrueArtIsAngsty essential bleakness]], and ruin the entire point of a horror story.
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2nd May '17 12:32:40 PM KingLyger
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This is where things utterly fell to pieces. The fans hated Roman. ''Hated him''. They hated hated him so much that they began to root for the Authority, ''the ones responsible for starting all this DarknessInducedAudienceApathy''. It was for naught, as Hunter lost and they got another reign with Roman. Things didn't get better until [[EpicFail Roman violated the Wellness Policy three months into his championship reign]], forcing the company to suspend him, meaning they had to take the title off him as soon as possible. He dropped the belt in a semi-clean match to a returning Rollins at ''Wrestling/MoneyInTheBank 2016''. While fans liked Rollins or at least sympathized with him, he was still a heel. However, not even two minutes later, Wrestling/DeanAmbrose, one of the most popular wrestlers on the roster, if not the most popular, and the last member of the Shield, cashed in his newly won briefcase and won the title, ''finally'' breaking the chain. The fans were absolutely elated. That being said, the past two years had made the fans extremely cynical, to the point that they were convinced that Ambrose was a transitional champion and that Rollins and Reigns would win it back soon enough. It wasn't until Ambrose pinned both men clean to retain the title (Rollins in a one-on-one title match, Reigns in the Shield triple threat) that fans finally realized they were getting a nice, long reign with the first true face champion since Daniel Bryan himself.
** Another issue with the Authority angle, which has persisted beyond "The Authority" being explicitly mentioned, is Stephanie [=McMahon=]. While she is great at being the utterly loathsome authority figure like her dad, it seems to have been forgotten that what made the old Vince/Stone Cold dynamic work is that Stone Cold would routinely give Vince his comeuppance. Vince would be a dick about something, the crowd would boo, Stone Cold would beat Vince up, the crowd would cheer, Vince would have Stone Cold arrested, the crowd would boo, and Stone Cold would make bail in time to beat Vince up at the next show where the crowd would cheer. In WWE's particularly cheesy, politically correct PG era, they'll never have someone beat up Stephanie to payoff all the heat she builds up. Which reached an extreme when, after Roman actually ''got over'' by basically going Stone Cold on the League of Nations and Triple H, Stephanie actually assaulted Reigns in the middle of the ring on the next RAW, and didn't immediately get her teeth punched out her asshole. This made Roman look like a chump, immediately killing whatever momentum he built up with the previous week's asswhooping. Even if one wants to make the reasonably justifiable decision to not depict a man clobbering a woman, one can not then set up a female authority figure to constantly shit on and emasculate every other character on the show, never get what's coming to her, and then expect the audience to continue to give a shit.

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This is where things utterly fell to pieces. The fans hated Roman. ''Hated him''. They hated hated him so much that they began to root for the Authority, ''the ones responsible for starting all this DarknessInducedAudienceApathy''. It was for naught, as Hunter lost and they got another reign with Roman. Things didn't get better until [[EpicFail Roman violated the Wellness Policy three months into his championship reign]], forcing the company to suspend him, meaning they had to take the title off him as soon as possible. He dropped the belt in a semi-clean match to a returning Rollins at ''Wrestling/MoneyInTheBank 2016''. While fans liked Rollins or at least sympathized with him, he was still a heel. However, not even two minutes later, Wrestling/DeanAmbrose, one of the most popular wrestlers on the roster, if not the most popular, and the last member of the Shield, cashed in his newly won briefcase and won the title, ''finally'' breaking the chain. The fans were absolutely elated. That being said, the past two years had made the fans extremely cynical, to the point that they were convinced that Ambrose was a transitional champion and that Rollins and Reigns would win it back soon enough. It wasn't until Ambrose pinned both men clean to retain the title (Rollins in a one-on-one title match, Reigns in the Shield triple threat) that fans finally realized they were getting a nice, long reign with the first true face champion since Daniel Bryan himself.
** Another issue with the Authority angle, which has persisted beyond "The Authority" being explicitly mentioned, is Stephanie [=McMahon=]. While she is great at being [[LoveToHate the utterly loathsome authority figure figure]] like her dad, it seems to have been forgotten that what made the old Vince/Stone Cold dynamic work is that Stone Cold would routinely give Vince his comeuppance. Vince would be a dick about something, the crowd would boo, Stone Cold would beat Vince up, the crowd would cheer, Vince would have Stone Cold arrested, the crowd would boo, and Stone Cold would make bail in time to beat Vince up at the next show where the crowd would cheer. In WWE's particularly cheesy, politically correct PG era, they'll never have someone beat up Stephanie to payoff all the heat she builds up. Which reached an extreme when, after Roman actually ''got over'' by basically going Stone Cold on the League of Nations and Triple H, Stephanie actually assaulted Reigns in the middle of the ring on the next RAW, and didn't immediately get her teeth punched out her asshole. This made Roman look like a chump, immediately killing whatever momentum he built up with the previous week's asswhooping. Even if one wants to make the reasonably justifiable decision to not depict a man clobbering a woman, one can not then set up a female authority figure to constantly shit on and emasculate every other character on the show, never get what's coming to her, and then expect the audience to continue to give a shit.
27th Apr '17 6:20:51 PM SpitbreakFTW
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** Another issue with the Authority angle, which has persisted beyond "The Authority" being explicitly mentioned, is Stephanie [=McMahon=]. While she is great at being the utterly loathsome authority figure like her dad, it seems to have been forgotten that what made the old Vince/Stone Cold dynamic work is that Stone Cold would routinely give Vince his comeuppance. Vince would be a dick about something, the crowd would boo, Stone Cold would beat Vince up, the crowd would cheer, Vince would have Stone Cold arrested, the crowd would boo, and Stone Cold would make bail in time to beat Vince up at the next show where the crowd would cheer. In WWE's particularly cheesy, politically correct PG era, they'll never have someone beat up Stephanie to payoff all the heat she builds up. Which reached an extreme when, after Roman actually ''got over'' by basically going Stone Cold on the League of Nations and Triple H, Stephanie actually assaulted Reigns in the middle of the ring on the next RAW, and didn't immediately get her teeth punched out her asshole. This made Roman look like a chump, immediately killing whatever momentum he built up with the previous week's asswhooping. Even if one wants to make the reasonably justifiable decision to not depict a man clobbering a woman, one can not then set up a female authority figure to constantly shit on and emasculate every other character on the show, never get what's coming to her, and then expect the audience to continue to give a shit.


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** Adding to this is Lesnar's own apathy. When he disappears for months at a time with the championship, why would the audience care about the rest of the scrubs on the roster who feel like placeholders killing time until the champion comes back four [=PPVs=] down the road?


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*** In short, heel vs heel matchups can be saved if one invests enough RuleOfCool into the angle.
25th Apr '17 1:49:40 PM digiman619
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** Wrestling/WrestleMania 32 was a unfortunate study in this; every match leading to the main event either was undone the next night on Raw (Ryder winning the IC belt, Undertaker def Shane MacMahon), or had [[TheBadGuyWins the heel win]] (The League of Nations def The New Day, Jericho def AJ Styles, Brock Lesnar def Dean Ambrose, Charlotte winning the Triple Threat for the new Women's Championship, Baron Corbin winning the Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal), and the final bout crowned major CreatorsPet and XPacHeat recipient Wrestling/RomanReigns WWE Champion over the [[RootingForTheEmpire heel-but-still-preferred]] Wrestling/TripleH.

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** Wrestling/WrestleMania 32 was a unfortunate study in this; every match leading to the main event either was undone the next night on Raw (Ryder (Wrestiling/ZackRyder winning the IC belt, Undertaker Wrestling/TheUndertaker def Shane MacMahon), Wrestling/ShaneMcMahon), or had [[TheBadGuyWins the heel win]] (The League of Nations def The New Day, Jericho def AJ Styles, Brock Lesnar def Dean Ambrose, Charlotte winning the Triple Threat for the new Women's Championship, Baron Corbin winning the Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal), and the final bout crowned major CreatorsPet and XPacHeat recipient Wrestling/RomanReigns WWE Champion over the [[RootingForTheEmpire heel-but-still-preferred]] Wrestling/TripleH.
25th Apr '17 12:37:50 PM digiman619
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** Wrestling/WrestleMania 32 was a unfortunate study in this; every match leading to the main event either made no difference to the storyline/was undone the next night (The New Day losing a non-title bout, Ryder winning the IC belt, etc.), or had [[TheBadGuyWins the heel win]] (Jericho def AJ Styles, Brock Lesnar def Dean Ambrose, etc.), and the final bout crowned major CreatorsPet and XPacHeat recipient Wrestling/RomanReigns WWE Champion over the [[RootingForTheEmpire heel-but-still-preferred]] Wrestling/TripleH.

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** Wrestling/WrestleMania 32 was a unfortunate study in this; every match leading to the main event either made no difference to the storyline/was was undone the next night (The New Day losing a non-title bout, Ryder on Raw (Ryder winning the IC belt, etc.), Undertaker def Shane MacMahon), or had [[TheBadGuyWins the heel win]] (Jericho (The League of Nations def The New Day, Jericho def AJ Styles, Brock Lesnar def Dean Ambrose, etc.), Charlotte winning the Triple Threat for the new Women's Championship, Baron Corbin winning the Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal), and the final bout crowned major CreatorsPet and XPacHeat recipient Wrestling/RomanReigns WWE Champion over the [[RootingForTheEmpire heel-but-still-preferred]] Wrestling/TripleH.
23rd Apr '17 11:04:54 AM digiman619
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** Wrestling/WrestleMania 32 was a unfortunate study in this; every match leading to the main event either made no difference to the storyline/was undone the next night (The New Day losing a non-title bout, Ryder winning the IC belt, etc.), or had [[TheBadGuyWins the heel win]] (Jericho def AJ Styles, Brock Lesnar def Dean Ambrose, etc.), and the final bout crowned major CreatorsPet and XPacHeat recipent Wrestling/RomanReigns WWE Champion over the [[RootingForTheEmpire heel-but-still-preferred]] Wrestling/TripleH.

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** Wrestling/WrestleMania 32 was a unfortunate study in this; every match leading to the main event either made no difference to the storyline/was undone the next night (The New Day losing a non-title bout, Ryder winning the IC belt, etc.), or had [[TheBadGuyWins the heel win]] (Jericho def AJ Styles, Brock Lesnar def Dean Ambrose, etc.), and the final bout crowned major CreatorsPet and XPacHeat recipent recipient Wrestling/RomanReigns WWE Champion over the [[RootingForTheEmpire heel-but-still-preferred]] Wrestling/TripleH.
23rd Apr '17 11:04:22 AM digiman619
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** Wrestling/WrestleMania 32 was a unfortunate study in this; every match leading to the main event either made no difference to the storyline/was undone the next night (The New Day losing a non-title bout, Ryder winning the IC belt, etc.), or had [[TheBadGuyWins the heel win]] (Jericho def AJ Styles, Brock Lesnar def Dean Ambrose, etc.), and the final bout crowned major CreatorsPet and XPacHeat recipeant Wrestling/RomanReigns WWE Champion over the [[RootingForTheEmpire heel-but-still-preferred]] Wrestling/TripleH.

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** Wrestling/WrestleMania 32 was a unfortunate study in this; every match leading to the main event either made no difference to the storyline/was undone the next night (The New Day losing a non-title bout, Ryder winning the IC belt, etc.), or had [[TheBadGuyWins the heel win]] (Jericho def AJ Styles, Brock Lesnar def Dean Ambrose, etc.), and the final bout crowned major CreatorsPet and XPacHeat recipeant recipent Wrestling/RomanReigns WWE Champion over the [[RootingForTheEmpire heel-but-still-preferred]] Wrestling/TripleH.
23rd Apr '17 11:03:49 AM digiman619
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** Wrestling/WrestleMania 32 was a unfortunate study in this; every match leading to the main event either made no difference to the storyline/was undone the next night (The New Day losing a non-title bout, Ryder winning the IC belt, etc.), or had [[TheBadGuyWins the heel win]] (Jericho def AJ Styles, Brock Lesnar def Dean Ambrose, etc.), and the final bout crowning major CreatorsPet and XPacHeat recipeant Wrestling/RomanReigns WWE Champion over the [[RootingForTheEmpire heel-but-still-preferred]] Wrestling/TripleH.

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** Wrestling/WrestleMania 32 was a unfortunate study in this; every match leading to the main event either made no difference to the storyline/was undone the next night (The New Day losing a non-title bout, Ryder winning the IC belt, etc.), or had [[TheBadGuyWins the heel win]] (Jericho def AJ Styles, Brock Lesnar def Dean Ambrose, etc.), and the final bout crowning crowned major CreatorsPet and XPacHeat recipeant Wrestling/RomanReigns WWE Champion over the [[RootingForTheEmpire heel-but-still-preferred]] Wrestling/TripleH.
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