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25th Nov '16 2:45:33 PM cra0422
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** A doubly subversive episode has them realizing they have musical talent. Ma Beagle signs them in a record deal under Scrooge's label as part of a plan to rob the Money Bin. However, the Boys find their new lifestyle extremely profitable... even Scrooge is making money off of them, despite their excessive demands, so they go legit. However, Ma Beagle is a believer in BadIsGoodAndGoodIsBad, and as such sabotages them so they're forced to go back to being villains.

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** A doubly subversive episode has them realizing they have musical talent. Ma Beagle signs them in a record deal under Scrooge's label as part of a plan to rob the Money Bin. However, the Boys find their new lifestyle extremely profitable... even Scrooge is making money off of them, despite their excessive demands, so they go legit. However, Ma Beagle is a believer in BadIsGoodAndGoodIsBad, and as such sabotages runs them ragged with concerts, personal appearances, etc. that they fire her as their agent, which causes her to ruin them for revenge so they're forced they'd have to go back to being villains.criminals, and thus unable to make money without her getting a cut of it.
2nd Nov '16 10:20:03 AM GrahamCrackers
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* Marvel's Plant Man has the same problem as Poison Ivy, except he was always considered a [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain pretty lame villain]] by heroes, and didn't care much for the environment, only using his powers for selfish reasons or a deluded dream of world conquest. Spider-Man once called him out on it with the typical YouCouldHaveUsedYourPowersForGood speech (to which the villain thanked him for the career advice, but said he "always had my heart set on world domination", and Plant Man ''himself'' admitted in ''Paradise X'' how much more well-off he'd have been if he had used his powers to fight world hunger. (Of course, he seriously TookALevelInBadass when he joined the ''ComicBook/{{Thunderbolts}}'' and changed his name to Blackhearth.)

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* Marvel's Plant Man has the same problem as Poison Ivy, except he was always considered a [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain pretty lame villain]] by heroes, and didn't care much for the environment, only using his powers for selfish reasons or a deluded dream of world conquest. Spider-Man once called him out on it with the typical YouCouldHaveUsedYourPowersForGood speech (to which the villain thanked him for the career advice, but said he "always had my heart set on world domination", and Plant Man ''himself'' admitted in ''Paradise X'' how much more well-off he'd have been if he had used his powers to fight world hunger. (Of course, he seriously TookALevelInBadass when he joined the ''ComicBook/{{Thunderbolts}}'' and changed his name to Blackhearth.Blackheath.)
31st Oct '16 1:57:29 PM merotoker
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** Creator/ElliotSMaggin beautifully subverts this trope in his [[TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks Pre-Crisis]] novel ''Literature/LastSonOfKrypton, '' which asserts that Lex regularly maintains multiple false identities as prominent scientists, businessmen, and even artists; and that they are [[WhereDoesHeGetAllThoseWonderfulToys how he is always able to raise the money necessary for the equipment and hired minions]] his world-conquering and Superman-busting schemes require. In other words, Lex is perfectly capable of playing the legitimate marketplace like a fiddle and ''regularly does so as a matter of course,'' but because he views himself as an [[{{Ubermensch}} ubermensch,]] he considers the idea of just playing by society's rules and getting rich and famous to be ''beneath him.'' He only views the money thus earned as a means to an end -- that end being conquest of the world and the destruction of Superman, two things polite society frowns upon.

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** Creator/ElliotSMaggin beautifully subverts this trope in his [[TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks [[UsefulNotes/TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks Pre-Crisis]] novel ''Literature/LastSonOfKrypton, '' which asserts that Lex regularly maintains multiple false identities as prominent scientists, businessmen, and even artists; and that they are [[WhereDoesHeGetAllThoseWonderfulToys how he is always able to raise the money necessary for the equipment and hired minions]] his world-conquering and Superman-busting schemes require. In other words, Lex is perfectly capable of playing the legitimate marketplace like a fiddle and ''regularly does so as a matter of course,'' but because he views himself as an [[{{Ubermensch}} ubermensch,]] {{ubermensch}}, he considers the idea of just playing by society's rules and getting rich and famous to be ''beneath him.'' He only views the money thus earned as a means to an end -- that end being conquest of the world and the destruction of Superman, two things polite society frowns upon.



*** Also, although no one remembers it (a fact Maggin has lamented), the name "[=LexCorp=]" actually [[OlderThanTheyThink originated]] in Maggin's story "The Ghost Of Superman Future," a FlashForward that depicted Luthor [[HeelFaceTurn going straight]] in his old age and marketing his inventions, as well as becoming friends with Superman again [[UsedToBeASweetKid as they had been in their]] [[Comicbook/{{Superboy}} youth.]]
** A year or so before the ''CrisisOnInfiniteEarths,'' Marv Wolfman wanted to write a story where Luthor "goes legit" and becomes a respected businessman, in the process [[VillainWithGoodPublicity gaining the public's trust]] and therefore becoming a much harder opponent for Superman to fight. [[ExecutiveMeddling Editorial]] considered this [[StatusQuoIsGod too big a departure]] for Luthor and nixed the idea, so Wolfman rewrote the script with Comicbook/VandalSavage as the villain in question. The resultant story feels a little forced, as Superman seems to take the whole thing very personally, despite the fact that he and Savage didn't have anywhere near the history that he and Lex did. By Wolfman's own account, this is where the idea for Lex's Post-Crisis CorruptCorporateExecutive persona originated.

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*** Also, although no one remembers it (a fact Maggin has lamented), the name "[=LexCorp=]" actually [[OlderThanTheyThink originated]] in Maggin's story "The Ghost Of Superman Future," a FlashForward that depicted Luthor [[HeelFaceTurn going straight]] in his old age and marketing his inventions, as well as becoming friends with Superman again [[UsedToBeASweetKid [[WeUsedToBeFriends as they had been in their]] [[Comicbook/{{Superboy}} youth.]]
** A year or so before the ''CrisisOnInfiniteEarths,'' ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths,'' Marv Wolfman wanted to write a story where Luthor "goes legit" and becomes a respected businessman, in the process [[VillainWithGoodPublicity gaining the public's trust]] and therefore becoming a much harder opponent for Superman to fight. [[ExecutiveMeddling Editorial]] considered this [[StatusQuoIsGod too big a departure]] for Luthor and nixed the idea, so Wolfman rewrote the script with Comicbook/VandalSavage as the villain in question. The resultant story feels a little forced, as Superman seems to take the whole thing very personally, despite the fact that he and Savage didn't have anywhere near the history that he and Lex did. By Wolfman's own account, this is where the idea for Lex's Post-Crisis CorruptCorporateExecutive persona originated.



* In ''ComicBook/LexLuthorManOfSteel'', a PerspectiveFlip into Lex Luthor's day-to-day life, we see more of Lex in his day-to-day life outside of plotting to kill Superman. In the series, he has both built the Science Spire, a giant skyscraper-research lab-tribute to human ingenuity and bankrolled Hope, a new superhero [[spoiler: who is actually an elaborate artificial human. It's ultimately deconstructed, as he ends up destroying both as part of a plan where the main outcome seems to be "make Superman look bad to people". For all his humanist talk, Lex's obsessions with Superman are blinding him to reality and the good he could be doing for others.]]

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* In ''ComicBook/LexLuthorManOfSteel'', a PerspectiveFlip into Lex Luthor's day-to-day life, we see more of Lex in his day-to-day life outside of plotting to kill Superman. In the series, he has both built the Science Spire, a giant skyscraper-research lab-tribute to human ingenuity and bankrolled Hope, a new superhero [[spoiler: who is actually an elaborate artificial human. It's ultimately deconstructed, as he ends up destroying both as part of a plan where the main outcome seems to be "make Superman look bad to people". For all his humanist talk, Lex's obsessions with Superman are blinding him to reality and the good he could be doing for others.]]others]].



* In ''ComicBook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog'', Mammoth Mogul decided to pull this. He took over Robotnik's old Casino Night Zone, renamed it the Casino Night Club, hired most of Robotnik's old Badniks, including [[WesternAnimation/AdventuresOfSonicTheHedgehog Scratch, Grounder and Coconuts]] and decided to park his keister there. Of course, this was less about turning legit and more about letting time defeat Sonic as Mogul's immortal.

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* In ''ComicBook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog'', ''ComicBook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog''
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Mammoth Mogul decided to pull this. He took over Robotnik's old Casino Night Zone, renamed it the Casino Night Club, hired most of Robotnik's old Badniks, including [[WesternAnimation/AdventuresOfSonicTheHedgehog Scratch, Grounder and Coconuts]] and decided to park his keister there. Of course, this was less about turning legit and more about letting time defeat Sonic as Mogul's immortal.



* In the ComicBook/MickeyMouse comic book story "My Little Town", the villain is an alien who is using a ShrinkRay to shrink Earth's cities, then sell them as "highly accurate miniatures" in order to earn enough money to repair his spaceship. Mickey forces the alien to re-enlarge each city, then points out that there's a faster and more honest way the alien can make money with his ray--by buying a cheap, tiny diamond and enlarging it to a colossal size.

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* In the ComicBook/MickeyMouse ComicBook/{{Mickey Mouse|ComicUniverse}} comic book story "My Little Town", the villain is an alien who is using a ShrinkRay to shrink Earth's cities, then sell them as "highly accurate miniatures" in order to earn enough money to repair his spaceship. Mickey forces the alien to re-enlarge each city, then points out that there's a faster and more honest way the alien can make money with his ray--by buying a cheap, tiny diamond and enlarging it to a colossal size.



* [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] on ''Series/{{Sherlock}}''. Moriarty commits three enormously ballsy thefts at the exact same time, and immediately surrenders to the police without stealing a cent because there is nothing he could steal that would be as valuable as the key that let him steal it all; Sherlock figures it's a product demonstration. [[spoiler:It's, sadly, a lie. How do you break into the unbreakable vault? [[RealityEnsues Bribe the man with the key.]] Since he's not actually after money at all (Moriarty's motives run more towards the... existential?) it's also an AvertedTrope.]]

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* [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] {{Inverted|Trope}} on ''Series/{{Sherlock}}''. Moriarty commits three enormously ballsy thefts at the exact same time, and immediately surrenders to the police without stealing a cent because there is nothing he could steal that would be as valuable as the key that let him steal it all; Sherlock figures it's a product demonstration. [[spoiler:It's, sadly, a lie. How do you break into the unbreakable vault? [[RealityEnsues Bribe the man with the key.]] Since he's not actually after money at all (Moriarty's motives run more towards the... existential?) it's also an AvertedTrope.]]



* COBRA in ''WesternAnimation/GIJoeARealAmericanHero''. The majority of the plots in the cartoon involved stealing/kidnapping someone and ransoming them off for absurd amounts of money, through which they would be able to attain ultimate power. Only about a third of their plots directly incorporated demands of, "Hand over the keys to the entire world, or else!" This was {{lampshade|Hanging}}d by Tamox and Xomat at one point, when they pointed out that Cobra ''already'' had absurd amounts of money from its front corporations, black market operations, etc, which is how they got all their ridiculous contraptions to pull off the schemes in the first place.
** It eventually gets deconstructed in later seasons as we learn that COBRA cannot possibly exist as anything other than a criminal organization. The entirety of its R&D routinely violates every aspect of the Geneva Convention, and the second GI JOE cartoon movie details that Cobra Commander is an exile from a supremacist fictional country called Cobra-la that believes the entirety of the world is its birthright and the citizens should consider themselves lucky if they get to live long enough to be enslaved.

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* COBRA in ''WesternAnimation/GIJoeARealAmericanHero''. The majority of the plots in the cartoon involved stealing/kidnapping someone and ransoming them off for absurd amounts of money, through which they would be able to attain ultimate power. Only about a third of their plots directly incorporated demands of, "Hand over the keys to the entire world, or else!" This was {{lampshade|Hanging}}d by Tamox and Xomat at one point, when they pointed out that Cobra ''already'' had absurd amounts of money from its front corporations, black market operations, etc, which is how they got all their ridiculous contraptions to pull off the schemes in the first place.
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place. It eventually gets deconstructed in later seasons as we learn that COBRA cannot possibly exist as anything other than a criminal organization. The entirety of its R&D routinely violates every aspect of the Geneva Convention, and the second GI JOE cartoon movie details that Cobra Commander is an exile from a supremacist fictional country called Cobra-la that believes the entirety of the world is its birthright and the citizens should consider themselves lucky if they get to live long enough to be enslaved.



* Carter Pewterschmidt in ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' has the cure for cancer, but refuses to sell it on the grounds that it would be a short-term gain, long-term loss, because he also makes money on chemotherapy and pharmaceutical treatments. Ignoring the fact that his fortune came from about a hundred other enterprises including his inheritance, he's obviously not aware of how much money and praise will get ''showered'' at him if he were to unveil the holy grail of medicine; sometimes publicity is more valuable than the product.
** Not to mention that not even his ''original'' reasoning makes sense. Since we see him after having taken the drug, we can assume that it is a ''cure'' for cancer, not a ''vaccine''; otherwise he would have never had to deal with the cancer in the first place (unless there was [[InsaneTrollLogic some reason why he wouldn't want a cancer vaccine in his system]].) As it is just a one-time cure, and relapses would require a second dose, he could just sell it at an absurd price; it doesn't matter, everyone would still buy it. Plus, unless he owns a monopoly on chemotherapy and other cancer pharma, the only people losing money would be ''his competitors''. Really, the writers just didn't think this through.

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* Carter Pewterschmidt in ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' has the cure for cancer, but refuses to sell it on the grounds that it would be a short-term gain, long-term loss, because he also makes money on chemotherapy and pharmaceutical treatments. Ignoring the fact that his fortune came from about a hundred other enterprises including his inheritance, he's obviously not aware of how much money and praise will get ''showered'' at him if he were to unveil the holy grail of medicine; sometimes publicity is more valuable than the product.
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product. Not to mention that not even his ''original'' reasoning makes sense. Since we see him after having taken the drug, we can assume that it is a ''cure'' for cancer, not a ''vaccine''; otherwise he would have never had to deal with the cancer in the first place (unless there was [[InsaneTrollLogic some reason why he wouldn't want a cancer vaccine in his system]].) As it is just a one-time cure, and relapses would require a second dose, he could just sell it at an absurd price; it doesn't matter, everyone would still buy it. Plus, unless he owns a monopoly on chemotherapy and other cancer pharma, the only people losing money would be ''his competitors''. Really, the writers just didn't think this through.



* In ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'', Dr. Drakken is frequently criticized for being heavily in debt due to spending so much money on every scheme to defeat Kim. Somewhat averted later on in the series, as Drakken would later develop a habit of ''stealing'' hyper-advanced technology on top of building doomsday devices himself...while still being heavily in debt.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'', ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible''
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Dr. Drakken is frequently criticized for being heavily in debt due to spending so much money on every scheme to defeat Kim. Somewhat averted later on in the series, as Drakken would later develop a habit of ''stealing'' hyper-advanced technology on top of building doomsday devices himself...while still being heavily in debt.



*** With many of the "science villains" who make up the RoguesGallery for TheFlash, it's noted that the reason they don't turn their talents towards legitimate profit is because they often genuinely are too unstable to either think of it or even to want to. For example, Dr. Alchemy has two personalities; one of them is an incredible douche who [[AGodAmI thinks of all other humans as insignificant]], so he thinks that sharing his Philosopher's Stone is beneath him, while the other is more benevolent but can't actually make the Stone.

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*** With many of the "science villains" who make up the RoguesGallery for TheFlash, Franchise/TheFlash, it's noted that the reason they don't turn their talents towards legitimate profit is because they often genuinely are too unstable to either think of it or even to want to. For example, Dr. Alchemy has two personalities; one of them is an incredible douche who [[AGodAmI thinks of all other humans as insignificant]], so he thinks that sharing his Philosopher's Stone is beneath him, while the other is more benevolent but can't actually make the Stone.



** Poison Ivy falls into a variant of this that actually exists in real life: ecoterrorism, wherein an attempt at enacting social/environmental change is done in such a way that discourages people from doing as desired. Making things far worse than real cases, she really is an absolute genius with plants, able to create miraculous strains that could solve all ''sorts'' of environmental problems that harm the plant ecosystem, the sort of thing she fights for... if only she would market her creations on the legitimate market, rather than turning them into weapons to try and wipe out all humanity, if not all animal life. For instance, she could bring about an instant end to logging by selling seeds for a tree that produces wood that can be harvested in large quantities without killing the tree (and does so much more frequently than letting trees grow the old way), instead of making trees that have digestive systems and eat loggers.

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** Poison Ivy ComicBook/PoisonIvy falls into a variant of this that actually exists in real life: ecoterrorism, wherein an attempt at enacting social/environmental change is done in such a way that discourages people from doing as desired. Making things far worse than real cases, she really is an absolute genius with plants, able to create miraculous strains that could solve all ''sorts'' of environmental problems that harm the plant ecosystem, the sort of thing she fights for... if only she would market her creations on the legitimate market, rather than turning them into weapons to try and wipe out all humanity, if not all animal life. For instance, she could bring about an instant end to logging by selling seeds for a tree that produces wood that can be harvested in large quantities without killing the tree (and does so much more frequently than letting trees grow the old way), instead of making trees that have digestive systems and eat loggers.



* Obadiah Stane in ''Film/IronMan'', once he steals Tony Stark's arc reactor, now has control of a clean, safe energy source with the capacity of a nuclear reactor that could fit into an RC car. Not to put too fine a point on it, but that is the single greatest energy revolution since taming fire. If it were mass-produced, it would effectively end ''every single human problem'' overnight. You don't think you could make a few bucks selling it on? Instead he just wants to mass-produce Iron Man knockoffs. He had gone kinda crazy by this point, though, plus S.H.I.E.L.D. was after him.

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* Obadiah Stane in ''Film/IronMan'', ''Film/IronMan1'', once he steals Tony Stark's arc reactor, now has control of a clean, safe energy source with the capacity of a nuclear reactor that could fit into an RC car. Not to put too fine a point on it, but that is the single greatest energy revolution since taming fire. If it were mass-produced, it would effectively end ''every single human problem'' overnight. You don't think you could make a few bucks selling it on? Instead he just wants to mass-produce Iron Man knockoffs. He had gone kinda crazy by this point, though, plus S.H.I.E.L.D. was after him.



** Dr. Octopus is researching a new power source in ''Film/SpiderMan2''. In order to control it, he invents a system of mechanical arms that interface with his brain, have [[AIIsACrapshoot artificial intelligence]], are [[NighInvulnerability indestructible]], have the strength to throw cars, and never seem to need new batteries. Every aspect of the things would seem to merit a Nobel Prize, but Octavius and the rest of the world initially only treat them as a simple tool. By his FaceHeelTurn, Octavius was more obsessed with achieving his dream of creating [[ThePowerOfTheSun a living sun]] than a Nobel Prize.
*** Lampshaded by Cinema Sins in Everything Wrong With Spider-Man 2. "What other world-changing inventions has Otto created and tossed aside on his path to fusion? 'Now, wearing the inhibitor chip gives a person cancer, so I had to cure that before I could proceed with my research.'"

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** Dr. Octopus is researching a new power source in ''Film/SpiderMan2''. In order to control it, he invents a system of mechanical arms that interface with his brain, have [[AIIsACrapshoot artificial intelligence]], are [[NighInvulnerability indestructible]], have the strength to throw cars, and never seem to need new batteries. Every aspect of the things would seem to merit a Nobel Prize, but Octavius and the rest of the world initially only treat them as a simple tool. By his FaceHeelTurn, Octavius was more obsessed with achieving his dream of creating [[ThePowerOfTheSun a living sun]] than a Nobel Prize.
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Prize. Lampshaded by Cinema Sins ''WebVideo/CinemaSins'' in Everything Wrong With Spider-Man 2.''Spider-Man 2''. "What other world-changing inventions has Otto created and tossed aside on his path to fusion? 'Now, wearing the inhibitor chip gives a person cancer, so I had to cure that before I could proceed with my research.'"



* Nevel on ''Series/ICarly'' is a tweenage computer science and coding genius. He has a popular website already, and has impressive skills in coding, web design, writing, hacking. Instead of just concentrating on his own work where he could use Google Adsense, or directly sell ads for his site and Youtube Partnership for his video content (or the equivalent of it), he wastes all his time trying to take over the iCarly webshow.
** The main reason is because Nevel is a jerk. His first appearance had him attempt to coerce Carly to kiss him or he'd ruin their show. Repeated schemes over his slighted pride led to him losing popularity until an explicit Jerkass moment had him rock bottom.
* ''Series/{{The Twilight Zone|1959}}''. The episode "The Rip Van Winkle Caper" has a group of gold thieves trying to evade the law. One of them accomplishes this by using a gas he created to put the gang in suspended animation for a hundred years instead of patenting the substance and becoming a well respected and incredibly rich scientist. This may have been because of societal reasons due to the era Twilight Zone was aired.
** Averted in "A Kind Of Stopwatch", Patrick McNulty gets a stopwatch that can freeze time and the first thing he does after discovering its power is try to market it to his former boss. Though, he'd been fired for giving pointless ideas earlier so the boss doesn't bother to listen to him

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* Nevel on ''Series/ICarly'' is a tweenage computer science and coding genius. He has a popular website already, and has impressive skills in coding, web design, writing, hacking. Instead of just concentrating on his own work where he could use Google Adsense, or directly sell ads for his site and Youtube Websitr/YouTube Partnership for his video content (or the equivalent of it), he wastes all his time trying to take over the iCarly webshow.
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webshow. The main reason is because Nevel is a jerk. His first appearance had him attempt to coerce Carly to kiss him or he'd ruin their show. Repeated schemes over his slighted pride led to him losing popularity until an explicit Jerkass moment had him rock bottom.
* ''Series/{{The Twilight Zone|1959}}''.
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The episode "The Rip Van Winkle Caper" has a group of gold thieves trying to evade the law. One of them accomplishes this by using a gas he created to put the gang in suspended animation for a hundred years instead of patenting the substance and becoming a well respected and incredibly rich scientist. This may have been because of societal reasons due to the era Twilight Zone was aired.
** Averted in "A Kind Of Stopwatch", Patrick McNulty [=McNulty=] gets a stopwatch that can freeze time and the first thing he does after discovering its power is try to market it to his former boss. Though, he'd been fired for giving pointless ideas earlier so the boss doesn't bother to listen to him



* In ''WesternAnimation/WackyRaces'', Dick Dastardly's Mean Machine is obviously the fastest car in the races and he ''always'' manages to get ahead of everyone else. If he wasn't so [[DickDastardlyStopsToCheat adamant in cheating]] and causing the other racers to get ''further'' behind of his considerable lead, he could have easily won every single race.
** Given a massive LampshadeHanging in the new ''Wacky Races'' pilot where he tells Muttley that [[CardCarryingVillain as villains they have to cheat]]. They were three feet from the finish line and napping for an indeterminate time beforehand.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/WackyRaces'', Dick Dastardly's Mean Machine is obviously the fastest car in the races and he ''always'' manages to get ahead of everyone else. If he wasn't so [[DickDastardlyStopsToCheat adamant in cheating]] and causing the other racers to get ''further'' behind of his considerable lead, he could have easily won every single race.
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race. Given a massive LampshadeHanging in the new ''Wacky Races'' pilot where he tells Muttley that [[CardCarryingVillain as villains they have to cheat]]. They were three feet from the finish line and napping for an indeterminate time beforehand.



* WesternAnimation/DarkwingDuck's enemy Quackerjack is smart enough to ''build a time machine'' but he uses it for really dumb reasons, like trying to prevent the yo-yo from being invented. In his defense, he is [[AxCrazy completely insane]].
** The [[ComicBook/DarkwingDuck comics]] showed that he actually was happy working in Quackwerks toy department... at first. He ended up snapping, either due to paranoia that his coworkers were stealing his ideas (in the original run), or because his creative ideas were constantly passed over for soulless cash grabs (in the ''Definitively Dangerous Edition'').

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* WesternAnimation/DarkwingDuck's enemy Quackerjack is smart enough to ''build a time machine'' but he uses it for really dumb reasons, like trying to prevent the yo-yo from being invented. In his defense, he is [[AxCrazy completely insane]]. \n** The [[ComicBook/DarkwingDuck comics]] showed that he actually was happy working in Quackwerks toy department... at first. He ended up snapping, either due to paranoia that his coworkers were stealing his ideas (in the original run), or because his creative ideas were constantly passed over for soulless cash grabs (in the ''Definitively Dangerous Edition'').



* ''Westernanimation/{{Underdog}}'''s enemy, Simon Bar Sinister eats, sleeps, and breathes this Trope. A MadScientist who wants to TakeOverTheWorld, his inventions could revolutionize world economy, but he never considers using them for anything but his power-hungry goals. He's invented Shrinking Water, which can shrink people, Phone-ey Booths, which can brainwash anyone who steps in them, and the Big dipper, likely the most wasted potential of all, as it can [[JustThinkOfThePotential store entire oceans in tiny jars]], [[YouCouldHaveUsedYourPowersForGood making them portable.]] The worst offender likely occurred in one episode where his plan depended on him using two buttons to cause panic so his small army could invade a city, but the Thanksgiving Day parade was blocking him. so he goes home, takes a time travel device from his closet (which he just happens to have) in order to go back in time to the Plymoth colony and start a war between them and the native Americans [[MakeWrongWhatOnceWentRight to prevent Thanksgiving altogether]]. The biggest flaw here [[GrandfatherParadox (well, aside from the obvious one)]] is the way Polly and Underdog stop him; they go to his house, grab a second device (he has several of them) and use it to follow him. This guy actually never thought of any better way to use TimeTravel.

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* ''Westernanimation/{{Underdog}}'''s enemy, Simon Bar Sinister eats, sleeps, and breathes this Trope. A MadScientist who wants to TakeOverTheWorld, his inventions could revolutionize world economy, but he never considers using them for anything but his power-hungry goals. He's invented Shrinking Water, which can shrink people, Phone-ey Booths, which can brainwash anyone who steps in them, and the Big dipper, likely the most wasted potential of all, as it can [[JustThinkOfThePotential store entire oceans in tiny jars]], [[YouCouldHaveUsedYourPowersForGood making them portable.]] The worst offender likely occurred in one episode where his plan depended on him using two buttons to cause panic so his small army could invade a city, but the Thanksgiving Day parade was blocking him. so So he goes home, takes a time travel device from his closet (which he just happens to have) in order to go back in time to the Plymoth Plymouth colony and start a war between them and the native Native Americans [[MakeWrongWhatOnceWentRight to prevent Thanksgiving altogether]]. The biggest flaw here [[GrandfatherParadox (well, aside from the obvious one)]] is the way Polly and Underdog stop him; they go to his house, grab a second device (he has several of them) and use it to follow him. This guy actually never thought of any better way to use TimeTravel.
28th Oct '16 12:16:08 PM WanderingBrowser
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* This overlapping with RevengeBeforeReason is the downfall of Edward Tooms, aka The Vulture, in ''WesternAnimation/SpidermanTheAnimatedSeries''. Norman Osborn's attempt at buying Tooms' company out from under him was based entirely on Osborn's claims that Tooms' experiments in anti-gravity flight were failures that would end up bankrupting the company. At that point, however, Tooms had ''finished'' a fully-functional anti-gravity personalized flight suit. If he'd just flown it over to the board meeting and showed it off, Osborn would have been thrown out of the building and Tooms' company would have been rolling in money. Instead, Tooms took up the identity of the Vulture to assassinate Osborn for trying, which cost him everything.

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* This overlapping with RevengeBeforeReason is the downfall of Edward Tooms, Adrian Toomes, aka The Vulture, in ''WesternAnimation/SpidermanTheAnimatedSeries''. Norman Osborn's attempt at buying Tooms' Toomes' company out from under him was based entirely on Osborn's claims that Tooms' Toomes' experiments in anti-gravity flight were failures that would end up bankrupting the company. At that point, however, Tooms Toomes had ''finished'' a fully-functional anti-gravity personalized flight suit. If he'd just flown it over to the board meeting and showed it off, Osborn would have been thrown out of the building and Tooms' Toomes' company would have been rolling in money. Instead, Tooms Toomes took up the identity of the Vulture to assassinate Osborn for trying, trying to take over, which cost him everything.
28th Oct '16 12:07:54 PM WanderingBrowser
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* This overlapping with RevengeBeforeReason is the downfall of Edward Tooms, aka The Vulture, in ''WesternAnimation/SpidermanTheAnimatedSeries''. Norman Osborn's attempt at buying Tooms' company out from under him was based entirely on Osborn's claims that Tooms' experiments in anti-gravity flight were failures that would end up bankrupting the company. At that point, however, Tooms had ''finished'' a fully-functional anti-gravity personalized flight suit. If he'd just flown it over to the board meeting and showed it off, Osborn would have been thrown out of the building and Tooms' company would have been rolling in money. Instead, Tooms took up the identity of the Vulture to assassinate Osborn for trying, which cost him everything.



*** Considering the commonality of his origins and his backtory, Victor was always a bit troubled until he met Nora and the incident that turned him into Freeze also appeared to give him severe trust issues.

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*** Considering the commonality of his origins and his backtory, backstory, Victor was always a bit troubled until he met Nora and the incident that turned him into Freeze also appeared to give him severe trust issues.



** Poison Ivy falls into a variant of this that actually exists in real life: ecoterrorism, wherein an attempt at enacting social/environmental change is done in such a way that discourages people from doing as desired. Making things far worse than real cases, she really is an absolute genius with plants, able to create miraculous strains that could solve all ''sorts'' of environmental problems that harm the plant ecosystem, the sort of thing she fights for... if only she would market her creations on the legitimate market, rather than turning them into weapons to try and wipe out all humanity, if not all animal life, like, for instance, ending logging by selling seeds for a tree that produces wood that can be harvested in large quantities without killing the tree (and does so much more frequently than letting trees grow the old way), instead of making trees that have digestive systems and eat loggers.

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** Poison Ivy falls into a variant of this that actually exists in real life: ecoterrorism, wherein an attempt at enacting social/environmental change is done in such a way that discourages people from doing as desired. Making things far worse than real cases, she really is an absolute genius with plants, able to create miraculous strains that could solve all ''sorts'' of environmental problems that harm the plant ecosystem, the sort of thing she fights for... if only she would market her creations on the legitimate market, rather than turning them into weapons to try and wipe out all humanity, if not all animal life, like, for life. For instance, ending she could bring about an instant end to logging by selling seeds for a tree that produces wood that can be harvested in large quantities without killing the tree (and does so much more frequently than letting trees grow the old way), instead of making trees that have digestive systems and eat loggers.



*** Some people [[EvilCannotComprehendGood seem to be unable to grasp the idea]] that some other people may have '''absolutely no interest''' in profit (especially when those other people are ''plants''). And why do you think humans almost never try to ''bribe'' the invading aliens in AlienInvasion movies? Yeah, from the plants' and animals' point of view, HumansAreTheRealMonsters.

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*** Some people [[EvilCannotComprehendGood seem In general, Poison Ivy's inability to be unable to grasp the idea]] market herself productively is generally given a simple explanation: she's absolutely ''batshit insane''. Whilst whether or not she was a [[WesternTerrorist eco-extremist]] before her transformation varies DependingOnTheWriter, after her transformation, she completely lost her mind. At best, she's become a TautologicalTemplar who can't understand that some other people may have '''absolutely no interest''' in profit (especially non-violence would actually make her message more convincing. At worst, she's so obsessed that even when those other people are ''plants''). And why do you think humans almost never try she's being "generous" she makes demands that require far too much of a sacrifice of human lives for plant lives for anyone to ''bribe'' the invading aliens in AlienInvasion movies? Yeah, from the plants' and animals' point of view, HumansAreTheRealMonsters.take them seriously.
22nd Oct '16 11:04:27 AM DVB
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** The Changelings motives are explored more in Season 6. They [[HorrorHunger ''need'' the love]] and its generally not a pleasant experience, as seen by [[TokenHeroicOrc good Changeling Thorax]]. Then, in [[spoiler: the Season 6 finale, we find out Chrysalis has kidnapped nearly anypony that could thwart her plans and she wishes for her Changelings to bring her the ponies... so '''she''' can grow more powerful. She's been intentionally starving her hive to make them more obediant and hiding that by sharing the love, it would end the HorrorHunger. When Thorax realizes this, he shares love and becomes new King, with all the Changelings following suit, except for her. All of the Changelings' motives boiled down to being in perpetual starvation and just wanting to stop bing hungry; Chrysalis though wanted power and manipulated her people just so she can get more powerful and rule over Equestria. It ends with Starlight triumphing over her, the Changelings redeemed under Thorax, and Chrysalis on the run, her subject and kingdom gone.]]
8th Oct '16 10:43:35 AM LadyJaneGrey
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* ''Westernanimation/{{Underdog}}'''s enemy, Simon Bar Sinister eats, sleeps, and breathes this Trope. A MadScientist who wants to TakeOverTheWorld, his inventions could revolutionize world economy, but he never considers using them for anything but his power-hungry goals. He's invented Shrinking Water, which can shrink people, Phone-ey Booths, which can brainwash anyone who steps in them, and the Big dipper, likely the most wasted potential of all, as it can [[JustThinkOfThePotential store entire oceans in tiny jars]], [[YouCouldHaveUsedYourPowersForGood making them portable.]] The worst offender likely occurred in one episode where his plan depended on him using two buttons to cause panic so his small army could invade a city, but the Thanksgiving Day parade was blocking him. so he goes home, takes a time travel device from his closet (which he just happens to have) in order to go back in time to the Plymoth colony and start a war between them and the native Americans [[MakeWrongWhatOnceWentRight to prevent Thanksgiving altogether]]. The biggest flaw here [[GrandfatherParadox (well, aside from the obvious one)]] is the way Polly and Underdog stop him; they go to his house, grab a second device (he has several of them) and use it to follow him. This guy actually never thought of any better way to use TimeTravel.
3rd Sep '16 8:52:18 PM HelloLamppost
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** A year or so before the ''CrisisOnInfiniteEarths,'' Marv Wolfman wanted to write a story where Luthor "goes legit" and becomes a respected businessman, in the process [[VillainWithGoodPublicity gaining the public's trust]] and therefore becoming a much harder opponent for Superman to fight. [[ExecutiveMeddling Editorial]] considered this [[StatusQuoIsGod too big a departure]] for Luthor and nixed the idea, so Wolfman rewrote the script with Comicbook/VandalSavage as the villain in question. The resultant story feels a little forced, as Superman seems to take the whole thing very personally, despite the fact that he and Savage didn't have anywhere near the history that he and Lex did. By Wolfman's own account, this is where the idea for Lex's Post-Crisis businessman persona originated.

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** A year or so before the ''CrisisOnInfiniteEarths,'' Marv Wolfman wanted to write a story where Luthor "goes legit" and becomes a respected businessman, in the process [[VillainWithGoodPublicity gaining the public's trust]] and therefore becoming a much harder opponent for Superman to fight. [[ExecutiveMeddling Editorial]] considered this [[StatusQuoIsGod too big a departure]] for Luthor and nixed the idea, so Wolfman rewrote the script with Comicbook/VandalSavage as the villain in question. The resultant story feels a little forced, as Superman seems to take the whole thing very personally, despite the fact that he and Savage didn't have anywhere near the history that he and Lex did. By Wolfman's own account, this is where the idea for Lex's Post-Crisis businessman CorruptCorporateExecutive persona originated.
26th Aug '16 12:36:39 PM Miracle@StOlaf
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* In the ''Film/ResidentEvil'' movies, the MegaCorp Umbrella Corporation should have been making enough legitimate profit as the biggest pharmaceutical company in the world to not need to take the risk of creating bioweapons. One of the films tries to justify the zombie creation virus by saying that Umbrella Corporation was working on a skin creme that reanimated dead skin cells (as a beauty treatment).... except when they tested it, it turned the test subjects into zombies. Instead of scrapping the research, they kicked it to bioweapons, and thus... zombies as weapons.

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* In the ''Film/ResidentEvil'' movies, the MegaCorp Umbrella Corporation should have been making enough legitimate profit as the biggest pharmaceutical company in the world to not need to take the risk of creating bioweapons. One of the films tries to justify the zombie creation virus by saying that Umbrella Corporation was working on a skin creme that reanimated dead skin cells (as a beauty treatment).... except when they tested it, it turned the test subjects into zombies. Instead of scrapping the research, they kicked it to bioweapons, and thus... zombies as weapons. By the time later sequels roll around, Umbrella's business model has taken a hard swing into full-blown StupidEvil, spending untold billions upon billions of dollars on exact replicas of major cities, stocked with perfect clones of people implanted with false memories, for the sake of unleashing their bioweapons on them and showing footage of the destruction to potential buyers. Not only could any of these technological wonders have made them fantastically wealthy on its own, but by this point in the story [[AfterTheEnd there's not enough political and economic stability in the world]] for any possible buyers to even ''exist'' anymore.
26th Aug '16 9:48:04 AM ZombieAladdin
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* In ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'', Dr. Drakken is frequently criticized for being heavily in debt due to spending so much money on every scheme to defeat Kim. Somewhat averted later on in the series, as Drakken would later develop a habit of ''stealing'' hyper-advanced technology on top of building doomsday devices himself...while still being heavily in debt.
** Frugal Lucre, however, is a deconstruction of this trope, of sorts. The purpose of his villainous plots is to demonstrate to other villains that they don't need to spend as much money as they do. Using materials from the discount store he works at and some self-taught HollywoodHacking skills, he proves himself as big a threat as the Bond-esque villains who make up most of the rest Kim's rogues gallery.
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