History Main / CulturalCringe

2nd Jan '17 10:29:01 PM Wuz
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Despite (or perhaps because of) 19th/20th Century Neo-Confucianism's emphasis on harmony and politeness, many Chinese view their countrymen as rude and selfish. Check out [[http://www.chinasmack.com/2011/pictures/chinese-netizens-admire-japanese-post-earthquake-behavior.html this]] article in which Chinese citizens marvel at how JapanesePoliteness kept things orderly during the 2011 earthquake and wonder how much worse things would be if a similar earthquake had happened in China. Even [[http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2014/09/17/xi-jinping-implores-chinese-tourists-to-stop-eating-so-many-instant-noodles-while-overseas/?mod=WSJBlog the President of China]] has asked his countrymen to be more polite while traveling overseas.

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Despite (or perhaps because of) 19th/20th Century Neo-Confucianism's emphasis on harmony and politeness, many Chinese view their countrymen as rude and selfish.selfish, embodying the most extreme forms of AsianRudeness. Check out [[http://www.chinasmack.com/2011/pictures/chinese-netizens-admire-japanese-post-earthquake-behavior.html this]] article in which Chinese citizens marvel at how JapanesePoliteness kept things orderly during the 2011 earthquake and wonder how much worse things would be if a similar earthquake had happened in China. Even [[http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2014/09/17/xi-jinping-implores-chinese-tourists-to-stop-eating-so-many-instant-noodles-while-overseas/?mod=WSJBlog the President of China]] has asked his countrymen to be more polite while traveling overseas.
2nd Dec '16 8:25:45 PM TheBuddy26
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This low sense of self-worth is also showing up in American media; NationalStereotypingTropes like AmericaSavesTheDay are not simply being averted, but brutally and humiliatingly ''subverted'' more often (witness the plots of ''VideoGame/ModernWarfare'', the ''Red Alert'' and ''Generals'' series of ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer'', and ''especially'' ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine'''; where the United States seems to cause problems or make them worse, leaving heroes of other countries to clean up the mess).

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This low sense of self-worth is also showing up in American media; NationalStereotypingTropes like AmericaSavesTheDay are not simply being averted, but brutally and humiliatingly ''subverted'' more often (witness the plots of ''VideoGame/ModernWarfare'', the ''Red Alert'' and ''Generals'' series of ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer'', and ''especially'' ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine'''; ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine''; where the United States seems to cause problems or make them worse, leaving heroes of other countries to clean up the mess).
1st Dec '16 9:07:40 PM TheBuddy26
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This low sense of self-worth is also showing up in American media; NationalStereotypingTropes like AmericaSavesTheDay are not simply being averted, but brutally and humiliatingly ''subverted'' more often (witness the plots of ''VideoGame/ModernWarfare'' and the ''Red Alert'' and ''Generals'' series of ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer'', where the United States seems to cause problems or make them worse, leaving heroes of other countries to clean up the mess).

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This low sense of self-worth is also showing up in American media; NationalStereotypingTropes like AmericaSavesTheDay are not simply being averted, but brutally and humiliatingly ''subverted'' more often (witness the plots of ''VideoGame/ModernWarfare'' and ''VideoGame/ModernWarfare'', the ''Red Alert'' and ''Generals'' series of ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquer'', and ''especially'' ''VideoGame/SpecOpsTheLine'''; where the United States seems to cause problems or make them worse, leaving heroes of other countries to clean up the mess).
23rd Oct '16 1:41:51 PM Morgenthaler
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* ''TheOnion'': [[http://www.theonion.com/articles/captain-actual-america-overweight-hopelessly-in-de,28785/ 'Captain Actual America' Overweight, Hopelessly In Debt]].

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* ''TheOnion'': ''Website/TheOnion'': [[http://www.theonion.com/articles/captain-actual-america-overweight-hopelessly-in-de,28785/ 'Captain Actual America' Overweight, Hopelessly In Debt]].
23rd Oct '16 12:02:00 PM Morgenthaler
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In more modern times, a belief has arisen in some quarters that the United States "does" pop culture like television and movies better, with extravagant praise for series like ''Series/TheWire'' (which was, of course, highly praised in the States too). The perception is that American movies and TV will ''always'' have a bigger budget and glossier production values and BritishBrevity is a result of having too little money to make 'proper' TV shows (see [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgwKU54rO0U this]] bit from ''Series/{{Screenwipe}}'' where CharlieBrooker shows an American focus group some British TV and can barely contain his embarrassment). [[labelnote:''note'']]Funnily enough, Americans will occasionally use the same facts to make the exact '''opposite''' argument, that American shows hide behind their big-budget production values and British shows compensate for a lack of spectacle with better writing, and some view British Brevity as simply meaning less Filler, so this argument can just go in circles.[[/labelnote]] And the long-held belief that Brits have [[BritCom a more sophisticated sense of humour]] than Americans has been eroded by the importing of shows like ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' and ''Series/CurbYourEnthusiasm''. British actors, directors, musicians and comedians are only really thought to have "made it" if they are known in the USA too. This is one reason why people like Music/JohnLennon, Creator/StephenHawking, Creator/ChristopherNolan, Creator/KateWinslet, EddieIzzard, Creator/JohnCleese etc. are so beloved in the UK; ''Americans like them too!'' WebOriginal/DiamandaHagan [[labelnote:''note'']]who's actually from Northern Ireland, but as a result is technically British - long story[[/labelnote]] once described the majority of British television as "costume dramas, documentaries about how the United States did nothing to help win World War I, and stories about how great it was to rule most of the planet".

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In more modern times, a belief has arisen in some quarters that the United States "does" pop culture like television and movies better, with extravagant praise for series like ''Series/TheWire'' (which was, of course, highly praised in the States too). The perception is that American movies and TV will ''always'' have a bigger budget and glossier production values and BritishBrevity is a result of having too little money to make 'proper' TV shows (see [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgwKU54rO0U this]] bit from ''Series/{{Screenwipe}}'' where CharlieBrooker Creator/CharlieBrooker shows an American focus group some British TV and can barely contain his embarrassment). [[labelnote:''note'']]Funnily enough, Americans will occasionally use the same facts to make the exact '''opposite''' argument, that American shows hide behind their big-budget production values and British shows compensate for a lack of spectacle with better writing, and some view British Brevity as simply meaning less Filler, so this argument can just go in circles.[[/labelnote]] And the long-held belief that Brits have [[BritCom a more sophisticated sense of humour]] than Americans has been eroded by the importing of shows like ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' and ''Series/CurbYourEnthusiasm''. British actors, directors, musicians and comedians are only really thought to have "made it" if they are known in the USA too. This is one reason why people like Music/JohnLennon, Creator/StephenHawking, Creator/ChristopherNolan, Creator/KateWinslet, EddieIzzard, Creator/JohnCleese etc. are so beloved in the UK; ''Americans like them too!'' WebOriginal/DiamandaHagan [[labelnote:''note'']]who's actually from Northern Ireland, but as a result is technically British - long story[[/labelnote]] once described the majority of British television as "costume dramas, documentaries about how the United States did nothing to help win World War I, and stories about how great it was to rule most of the planet".
20th Oct '16 9:11:56 AM Morgenthaler
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The Chinese government has the power to [[BannedInChina censor]] any media considered inappropriate, which stifles creativity. Foreign films and shows often outperform their domestic competition and have created a thriving video-pirating industry. As the government will not allow itself to be portrayed negatively in any way, creators find more freedom in setting their stories in historical periods. However these stories, especially those set during the SecondSinoJapaneseWar, are becoming viewed as cliched and propagandistic because the party's requirements are a bit inflexible (TheParagon / InspirationalMartyr and dedicated Communist Party Member fights the Japanese) and so few true stories meet them[[note]] if only because the Chinese Communist Party did its best to keep its (local and unofficial) truces with the Japanese and avoid antagonising them so it could focus on taking over the occupied areas from anti-Japanese partisan groups. They executed one confirmed (by non-Communist Party sources) military campaign and two battles against the Japanese, but by contrast the Guangxi Clique and Guomindang conducted more than a dozen involving some fifty-plus battles (depending on how big a firefight needs to be to be so branded) [[/note]].

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The Chinese government has the power to [[BannedInChina censor]] any media considered inappropriate, which stifles creativity. Foreign films and shows often outperform their domestic competition and have created a thriving video-pirating industry. As the government will not allow itself to be portrayed negatively in any way, creators find more freedom in setting their stories in historical periods. However these stories, especially those set during the SecondSinoJapaneseWar, UsefulNotes/SecondSinoJapaneseWar, are becoming viewed as cliched and propagandistic because the party's requirements are a bit inflexible (TheParagon / InspirationalMartyr and dedicated Communist Party Member fights the Japanese) and so few true stories meet them[[note]] if only because the Chinese Communist Party did its best to keep its (local and unofficial) truces with the Japanese and avoid antagonising them so it could focus on taking over the occupied areas from anti-Japanese partisan groups. They executed one confirmed (by non-Communist Party sources) military campaign and two battles against the Japanese, but by contrast the Guangxi Clique and Guomindang conducted more than a dozen involving some fifty-plus battles (depending on how big a firefight needs to be to be so branded) [[/note]].
13th Oct '16 2:00:30 PM theenglishman
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Canada's Cultural Cringe is more typically known among Canadian commentators as simply an inferiority complex. Regardless, Canada's cultural position between the United States and the British Empire has long given it a cringe issue, leading to jokes like:

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Canada's Cultural Cringe is more typically known among Canadian commentators as simply an inferiority complex. Regardless, Canada's cultural position between the United States and the British Empire has long given it a cringe issue, leading to jokes [[LightBulbJoke jokes]] like:
7th Oct '16 9:56:10 AM Mara
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As mentioned above, "cultural cringe" was originally coined specifically in regards to nineteenth century Australian psychological servitude and cultural anxiety. Australia has a grand history of poetry, art, classical music, television, film and architecture, but most Australians would not know much about it, and even if they do, well, "Europeans and Americans do it just so much better". Unfortunately, this results in a Catch-22 with Australian media: no one watches or reads it because they think it's not going to be good, and no one wants to produce it because no one will watch it. The hardest hit by this would be Australian films, which are almost completely overlooked unless they become hits overseas.

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As mentioned above, "cultural cringe" was originally coined specifically in regards to nineteenth century Australian psychological servitude and cultural anxiety. Australia has a grand history of poetry, art, classical music, television, film and architecture, but most Australians would not know much about it, and even if they do, well, "Europeans and Americans do it just so much better". Unfortunately, this results in a Catch-22 with Australian media: no one watches or reads it because they think it's not going to be good, and no one wants to produce it because no one will watch it. The hardest hit by this would be Australian films, which are almost completely overlooked unless they become hits overseas.
7th Oct '16 4:18:15 AM Mara
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The TropeNamer and TropeCodifier is Australian literary critic and social commentator A. A. Phillips, who coined the term in his 1950 essay "''A.A. Phillips on The Cultural Cringe''," where he observed this behavior--specifically Australian feelings of inferiority towards Britain--in rampant abundance among his contemporary fellow Australians. (This is also why it's a part of Australia's UsefulNotes, along with TallPoppySyndrome.) This trope is at least OlderThanRadio, though, enough so that among the people Creator/GilbertAndSullivan felt "[[Theatre/TheMikado would not be missed]]" was:

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The TropeNamer and TropeCodifier is Australian literary critic and social commentator A. A. Phillips, who coined the term in his 1950 essay "''A.A. Phillips on The Cultural Cringe''," where he observed this behavior--specifically behavior - specifically Australian feelings of inferiority towards Britain--in Britain - in rampant abundance among his contemporary fellow Australians. (This is also why it's a part of Australia's UsefulNotes, along with TallPoppySyndrome.) This trope is at least OlderThanRadio, though, enough so that among the people Creator/GilbertAndSullivan felt "[[Theatre/TheMikado would not be missed]]" was:



Australia has a grand history of poetry, art, classical music, television, film and architecture, but most Australians would not know much about it, and even if they do, well, "Europeans and Americans do it just so much better". Unfortunately, this results in a Catch-22 with Australian media: no one watches or reads it because they think it's not going to be good, and no one wants to produce it because no one will watch it. The hardest hit by this would be Australian films, which are almost completely overlooked unless they become hits overseas.

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As mentioned above, "cultural cringe" was originally coined specifically in regards to nineteenth century Australian psychological servitude and cultural anxiety. Australia has a grand history of poetry, art, classical music, television, film and architecture, but most Australians would not know much about it, and even if they do, well, "Europeans and Americans do it just so much better". Unfortunately, this results in a Catch-22 with Australian media: no one watches or reads it because they think it's not going to be good, and no one wants to produce it because no one will watch it. The hardest hit by this would be Australian films, which are almost completely overlooked unless they become hits overseas.



Australia's history as a penal colony is regarded with a mixture of pride and awkwardness: the popular ([[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Australia_(1788%E2%80%931850) though inaccurate]]) idea that colonial Australia was built entirely out of Britain's uneducated, criminal lower classes is a significant part of the national inferiority complex. Treatment of the UsefulNotes/FirstAustralians since European colonisation has also been a source of shame that continues to grow.

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Australia's history as a penal colony is regarded with a mixture of pride and awkwardness: the popular ([[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Australia_(1788%E2%80%931850) though inaccurate]]) idea that colonial Australia was built entirely out of Britain's uneducated, criminal lower classes is a significant part of the national inferiority complex. Treatment of the UsefulNotes/FirstAustralians since European colonisation has also been a source of shame that continues is difficult to grow.
put to rest.
25th Sep '16 3:41:27 AM Mara
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Cultural cringe my be fading in Australia: younger generations don't appear to feel it as much, or at least not consciously. Many among them find the perceived lower quality of local artistic product to be mystifying, and are very supportive of it when it is genuinely appealing.

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Cultural cringe my may be fading in Australia: younger generations don't appear to feel it as much, or at least not consciously. Many among them find the perceived lower quality of local artistic product to be mystifying, and are very supportive of it when it is genuinely appealing.
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