History Main / CulturalCringe

11th Jun '17 1:12:47 PM nombretomado
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In Brazil, the term for cultural cringe is "mongrel complex" (literally, "[[http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complexo_de_vira-lata complexo de vira-lata]]"), which characterized the Brazilian attitude when they lost the [[TheWorldCup 1950's World Cup]], but soon it started to characterize the attitude of Brazilians concerning their own country, to the point of many of them don't believe that Brazil has any reason to have self-esteem (likely one of the reasons why the TheCapitalOfBrazilIsBuenosAires trope exists).

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In Brazil, the term for cultural cringe is "mongrel complex" (literally, "[[http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complexo_de_vira-lata complexo de vira-lata]]"), which characterized the Brazilian attitude when they lost the [[TheWorldCup [[UsefulNotes/TheWorldCup 1950's World Cup]], but soon it started to characterize the attitude of Brazilians concerning their own country, to the point of many of them don't believe that Brazil has any reason to have self-esteem (likely one of the reasons why the TheCapitalOfBrazilIsBuenosAires trope exists).
7th Jun '17 10:52:13 AM Frankencastle
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->''"Don't wanna be an American idiot''
->''"Don't want a nation under the new media''
->''"Hey, can you hear the sound of hysteria?''
-->-- '''Music/GreenDay''', "Music/AmericanIdiot"

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->''"Don't wanna be an American idiot''
->''"Don't want
->''"It's impossible for me as a British citizen to go into any museum in any nation under on the new media''
->''"Hey, can you hear the sound of hysteria?''
planet Earth without, within five minutes, starting to feel guilty.''"
-->-- '''Music/GreenDay''', "Music/AmericanIdiot"
'''Creator/JohnOliver'''
7th Jun '17 10:42:12 AM Frankencastle
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->''"The subliminal mind-fuck America"''



American self-image has also struggled [[TheWarOnTerror since the Iraq War]], which in their country has stirred up a political storm akin to [[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar the one they had in Vietnam]]. In social situations with foreigners it's not uncommon for Americans to refer to their country as if it were AmericaTheBoorish (in other words, the "[[TooDumbToLive brainless]] [[FatBastard obese]] [[AlwaysChaoticEvil barbarians]]" flavor) and express [[BoomerangBigot loathing for their more militaristic and jingoistic countrymen]]. It is not at all uncommon, especially on the Internet, for Americans with left-leaning views to lament that their country is seemingly run by crazy [[TheFundamentalist religious fundamentalists]] in alliance with an [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney oligarchy of]] {{Corrupt Corporate Executive}}s[[note]] To be fair, their 2000 richest people ''do'' own about 1/5 of their entire country's wealth. It could be argued that those people earn their wealth by providing valued services, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement but such a debate has no place on this page.]][[/note]], supported by a willfully ignorant, moronic, exploitative, and greedy middle class that gorges itself on soulless, commercialized pop culture, all of which needs to be burned down. These left-wing Americans will then hold up either the Nordic countries in Europe with very strong government control or Socialist "Bolivarian" Latin American Countries (Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador) as examples of countries that are better than America in every way, often ignoring the inconvenient facts that their societal models aren't universally applicable and the latter places have problems of their own . Many will outright reject any "Americana" with subversive counterculture and actions (flag burning, "fuck America", [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking punk rock]], "culture jamming", et cetera).

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American self-image has also struggled [[TheWarOnTerror since the Iraq War]], which in their country has stirred up a political storm akin to [[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar the one they had in Vietnam]]. In social situations with foreigners it's not uncommon for Americans to refer to their country as if it were AmericaTheBoorish (in other words, the "[[TooDumbToLive brainless]] [[FatBastard obese]] [[AlwaysChaoticEvil barbarians]]" flavor) and express [[BoomerangBigot loathing for their more militaristic and jingoistic countrymen]]. It is not at all uncommon, especially on the Internet, for Americans with left-leaning views to lament that their country is seemingly run by crazy [[TheFundamentalist religious fundamentalists]] in alliance with an [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney oligarchy of]] {{Corrupt Corporate Executive}}s[[note]] To be fair, their 2000 richest people ''do'' own about 1/5 of their entire country's wealth. It could be argued that those people earn their wealth by providing valued services, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement but such a debate has no place on this page.]][[/note]], supported by a willfully ignorant, moronic, exploitative, and greedy middle class that gorges itself on soulless, commercialized pop culture, all of which needs to be burned down. These left-wing Americans will then hold up either the Nordic countries in Europe with very strong government control or Socialist "Bolivarian" Latin American Countries (Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador) as examples of countries that are better than America in every way, often ignoring the inconvenient facts that their societal models aren't universally applicable and the latter places have problems of their own . Many will outright reject any "Americana" with subversive counterculture and actions (flag burning, "fuck America", [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking punk rock]], "culture jamming", et cetera).actions.
19th May '17 10:05:17 PM nombretomado
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* [[http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/09/foolish-and-backward-nation-a-self-effacing-chinese-satire-of-america/261946/#.UE-JOlxQ0JI.facebook This essay]], which went viral on Sina Weibo (the Chinese {{Twitter}}), satirizes Chinese culture by comparing it to American culture.

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* [[http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/09/foolish-and-backward-nation-a-self-effacing-chinese-satire-of-america/261946/#.UE-JOlxQ0JI.facebook This essay]], which went viral on Sina Weibo (the Chinese {{Twitter}}), Website/{{Twitter}}), satirizes Chinese culture by comparing it to American culture.
17th May '17 4:59:04 AM Wuz
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As if that's not enough, the international critical or commercial success of neighboring medias like JapaneseMedia, KoreanMedia (at least the regionally successful Korean Wave), and even IndianMedia, are frequently cited to contrast with the failures of Mainland Chinese media. And it's just Mainland Chinese - Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan media are excluded from the cringe, and further cringe arises if one insists that they're the same being as Mainland Chinese media.

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As if that's not enough, the international critical or commercial success of neighboring medias like JapaneseMedia, KoreanMedia (at least the regionally successful Korean Wave), and even IndianMedia, are frequently cited to contrast with the failures of Mainland Chinese media. And it's just Mainland Chinese - Hong Kong, Macau, Kong and Taiwan media are excluded from the cringe, and further cringe arises if one insists that they're the same due to commonly being seen as Mainland Chinese media.
better alternatives.
26th Apr '17 3:10:29 PM faunas
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One thing in common throughout Portuguese history has been the idealization and, indeed, pedestalization of England and, later, UsefulNotes/{{Britain}}, even before Britain shed its own CulturalCringe during the 19th century. This was due to the [[BindingAncientTreaty Anglo-Portuguese Alliance]], first signed 1386, which contributed to the defense of Portuguese independence throughout time, at the price of heavy economic dependence from Britain, especially after the Portuguese Restoration - sometimes Britain treated Portugal as a client state. England/Britain was once a mobilizing myth for Portugal, although the [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1890_British_Ultimatum 1890 Ultimatum]] (which turned Britain into something Portugal mobilized ''against'' for a while) and the 1986 entry into the UsefulNotes/EuropeanUnion more definitely have dented that appeal. Albeit, Portugal still cares very much about Britain, as proved by the 2014 CrossCulturalKerfufle [[https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/20/who-said-britons-were-drunk-dirty-and-deplorable-joao-magueijo-portuguese-writer over a satirical book]] [[https://www.theguardian.com/books/shortcuts/2014/sep/15/foreigner-view-england-portuguese-professor-book-undercooked-beef published in Portugal by a Portuguese scientist who made his career in Britain]].

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One thing in common throughout Portuguese history has been the idealization and, indeed, pedestalization of England and, later, UsefulNotes/{{Britain}}, even before Britain shed its own CulturalCringe during the 19th century. This was due to the [[BindingAncientTreaty Anglo-Portuguese Alliance]], first signed 1386, which contributed to the defense of Portuguese independence throughout time, at the price of heavy economic dependence from Britain, especially after the Portuguese Restoration - sometimes Britain treated Portugal as a client state. England/Britain was once a mobilizing myth for Portugal, although the [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1890_British_Ultimatum 1890 Ultimatum]] (which turned Britain into something Portugal mobilized ''against'' for a while) and the 1986 entry into the UsefulNotes/EuropeanUnion more definitely have dented that appeal. Albeit, Portugal still cares very much about Britain, as proved by the 2014 CrossCulturalKerfufle CrossCulturalKerfuffle [[https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/20/who-said-britons-were-drunk-dirty-and-deplorable-joao-magueijo-portuguese-writer over a satirical book]] [[https://www.theguardian.com/books/shortcuts/2014/sep/15/foreigner-view-england-portuguese-professor-book-undercooked-beef published in Portugal by a Portuguese scientist who made his career in Britain]].
26th Apr '17 3:09:34 PM faunas
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The Republicans, who [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_October_1910_revolution finally came to power in 1910]], focused on the Catholic Church and the dominant "rotativist" (Historical and Progressive) political parties as the cause of its decline (which had actually been caused by the Iberian Union, which involved Portugal in the Philippine Dinasty's ForeverWars with most other European powers and resulted in the loss of most of its Asian colonies, and the [[UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte Napolean Invasions]], which laid rest to Continental Portugal and resulted in the loss of UsefulNotes/{{Brazil}} when the King came back as well as the [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Wars Liberal Wars]] between the pro-constitution Liberals and the Miguelite Absolutists, although the Church's opulence and science-hampering obscurantism, and the parties' corruption and [[NotSoDifferent high similitude]] certainly didn't help matters).

One thing in common throughout Portuguese history has been the idealization and, indeed, pedestalization of England and, later, UsefulNotes/{{Britain}}, even before Britain shed its own CulturalCringe during the 19th century. This was due to the [[BindingAncientTreaty Anglo-Portuguese Alliance]], first signed 1386, which contributed to the defense of Portuguese independence throughout time, at the price of heavy economic dependence from Britain, especially after the Portuguese Restoration - sometimes Britain treated Portugal as a client state. England/Britain was once a mobilizing myth for Portugal, although the [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1890_British_Ultimatum 1890 Ultimatum]] (which turned Britain into something Portugal mobilized ''against'' for a while) and the 1986 entry into the UsefulNotes/EuropeanUnion more definitely have dented that appeal. Albeit, Portugal still cares very much about Britain, as proved by the 2014 CrossCulturalKerfufle [https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/20/who-said-britons-were-drunk-dirty-and-deplorable-joao-magueijo-portuguese-writer over a satirical book] [https://www.theguardian.com/books/shortcuts/2014/sep/15/foreigner-view-england-portuguese-professor-book-undercooked-beef published in Portugal by a Portuguese scientist who made his career in Britain].

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The Republicans, who [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_October_1910_revolution finally came to power in 1910]], focused on the Catholic Church and the dominant "rotativist" (Historical and Progressive) political parties as the cause of its decline (which had actually been caused by the Iberian Union, which involved Portugal in the Philippine Dinasty's ForeverWars {{Forever War}}s with most other European powers and resulted in the loss of most of its Asian colonies, and the [[UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte Napolean Invasions]], which laid rest to Continental Portugal and resulted in the loss of UsefulNotes/{{Brazil}} when the King came back as well as the [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Wars Liberal Wars]] between the pro-constitution Liberals and the Miguelite Absolutists, although the Church's opulence and science-hampering obscurantism, and the parties' corruption and [[NotSoDifferent high similitude]] certainly didn't help matters).

One thing in common throughout Portuguese history has been the idealization and, indeed, pedestalization of England and, later, UsefulNotes/{{Britain}}, even before Britain shed its own CulturalCringe during the 19th century. This was due to the [[BindingAncientTreaty Anglo-Portuguese Alliance]], first signed 1386, which contributed to the defense of Portuguese independence throughout time, at the price of heavy economic dependence from Britain, especially after the Portuguese Restoration - sometimes Britain treated Portugal as a client state. England/Britain was once a mobilizing myth for Portugal, although the [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1890_British_Ultimatum 1890 Ultimatum]] (which turned Britain into something Portugal mobilized ''against'' for a while) and the 1986 entry into the UsefulNotes/EuropeanUnion more definitely have dented that appeal. Albeit, Portugal still cares very much about Britain, as proved by the 2014 CrossCulturalKerfufle [https://www.[[https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/20/who-said-britons-were-drunk-dirty-and-deplorable-joao-magueijo-portuguese-writer over a satirical book] [https://www.book]] [[https://www.theguardian.com/books/shortcuts/2014/sep/15/foreigner-view-england-portuguese-professor-book-undercooked-beef published in Portugal by a Portuguese scientist who made his career in Britain].
Britain]].
26th Apr '17 3:07:26 PM faunas
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[[folder:The Cringe in Portugal]]
The CulturalCringe in Portugal has a long-spaning history, and could be seen at various junctions.

For instance, it is referenced in ''The Lusiads'' by Luís Vaz de Camões, in a stanza which mentions that nobles prefer, among other stuff, foreign foods over national ones. Camões, nowadays considered the greatest Portuguese-language writer, was virtually unknown during his lifetime in Portugal (and appreciated in Spain, of all places). ''The Lusiads'' also contain a pro-Iberianist[[note]]i.e., all Iberian (or, as they were called at the time, "Spanish") realms should unify into a single Kingdom[[/note]] stanza, which is ironic for a symbol of Portuguese nationality.

Then, there is ''Os Maias'' by Eça de Queirós, which is basically CulturalCringe: The Book. It's basically a large TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to 19th-century Portugal, especially its elites.

The Republicans, who [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_October_1910_revolution finally came to power in 1910]], focused on the Catholic Church and the dominant "rotativist" (Historical and Progressive) political parties as the cause of its decline (which had actually been caused by the Iberian Union, which involved Portugal in the Philippine Dinasty's ForeverWars with most other European powers and resulted in the loss of most of its Asian colonies, and the [[UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte Napolean Invasions]], which laid rest to Continental Portugal and resulted in the loss of UsefulNotes/{{Brazil}} when the King came back as well as the [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Wars Liberal Wars]] between the pro-constitution Liberals and the Miguelite Absolutists, although the Church's opulence and science-hampering obscurantism, and the parties' corruption and [[NotSoDifferent high similitude]] certainly didn't help matters).

One thing in common throughout Portuguese history has been the idealization and, indeed, pedestalization of England and, later, UsefulNotes/{{Britain}}, even before Britain shed its own CulturalCringe during the 19th century. This was due to the [[BindingAncientTreaty Anglo-Portuguese Alliance]], first signed 1386, which contributed to the defense of Portuguese independence throughout time, at the price of heavy economic dependence from Britain, especially after the Portuguese Restoration - sometimes Britain treated Portugal as a client state. England/Britain was once a mobilizing myth for Portugal, although the [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1890_British_Ultimatum 1890 Ultimatum]] (which turned Britain into something Portugal mobilized ''against'' for a while) and the 1986 entry into the UsefulNotes/EuropeanUnion more definitely have dented that appeal. Albeit, Portugal still cares very much about Britain, as proved by the 2014 CrossCulturalKerfufle [https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/20/who-said-britons-were-drunk-dirty-and-deplorable-joao-magueijo-portuguese-writer over a satirical book] [https://www.theguardian.com/books/shortcuts/2014/sep/15/foreigner-view-england-portuguese-professor-book-undercooked-beef published in Portugal by a Portuguese scientist who made his career in Britain].

Other countries Portugal idealized at one time or another were Castille (before the Iberian Union - although they were also hated due to always threatening Portuguese independence; nowadays they're just hated, or at least treated with healthy contempt), France (also a very big cultural influence in Portugal), India (which is why Portugal launched the Discoveries - to discover a maritime path there), China, Brazil and, during the last stage of colonialism and to a certain degree today, UsefulNotes/{{Angola}} (although we do know it is a horrendous tyranny - and a country of great opportunities).
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21st Apr '17 6:02:29 PM TristanJeremiah
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* In ''LastWeekTonightWithJohnOliver'', the English Oliver says in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YkLPxQp_y0 this video]] that Prime Minister David Cameron, a posh Southern Tory, "embodies all the things I hate about England and I'm English."

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* In ''LastWeekTonightWithJohnOliver'', the English Oliver [[Creator/{{John Oliver}} Oliver]] says in [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YkLPxQp_y0 this video]] that Prime Minister David Cameron, a posh Southern Tory, "embodies all the things I hate about England and I'm English.""
** in an interview with [[Creator/{{Stephen Colbert}} the titular comedian]] on {{The Late Show With Stephen Colbert}}, On the topic of American World power, he said that "You get blamed for everything when you're number one" and most of the world's problems can be traced back to a British man drawing a line over a map



** in an interview with Creator/{{Stephen Colbert}}, On the topic of American World power, he said that "You get blamed for everything when you're number one" and most of the world's problems can be traced back to a British man drawing a line over a map

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** in an interview with Creator/{{Stephen Colbert}}, On the topic of American World power, he said that "You get blamed for everything when you're number one" and most of the world's problems can be traced back to a British man drawing a line over a map

21st Apr '17 5:56:13 PM TristanJeremiah
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* During his stand-up special, comedian John Oliver quips that it's "impossible for me as a British citizen to go into any museum in any nation on the planet Earth without, within five minutes, starting to feel guilty."
** On the topic of American World power, he said that "You get blamed for everything when you're number one" and most of the world's problems can be traced back to a British man drawing a line over a map

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* During his stand-up special, comedian John Oliver Creator/{{John Oliver}} quips that it's "impossible for me as a British citizen to go into any museum in any nation on the planet Earth without, within five minutes, starting to feel guilty."
** in an interview with Creator/{{Stephen Colbert}}, On the topic of American World power, he said that "You get blamed for everything when you're number one" and most of the world's problems can be traced back to a British man drawing a line over a map
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