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13th Aug '16 1:13:11 PM nombretomado
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More broadly, this same gentleman and his actions almost permanently ruined patriotism in Germany. Germans can be proud of the DichterAndDenker, but in the same way that one is proud of a famous person from one's home town who went elsewhere: they are considered great people for the world, who happened to be from Germany, rather than great Germans. Flag-waving outside a sporting context is a particular no-no, and overt patriotism gets the same reactions as in America (i.e.: viewed as ignorantly nationalistic and xenophobic). Within the last decade or so, however, Germans have gradually begun to be prouder of Germany for Germany--but it's still far less than most other countries.

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More broadly, this same gentleman and his actions almost permanently ruined patriotism in Germany. Germans can be proud of the DichterAndDenker, UsefulNotes/DichterAndDenker, but in the same way that one is proud of a famous person from one's home town who went elsewhere: they are considered great people for the world, who happened to be from Germany, rather than great Germans. Flag-waving outside a sporting context is a particular no-no, and overt patriotism gets the same reactions as in America (i.e.: viewed as ignorantly nationalistic and xenophobic). Within the last decade or so, however, Germans have gradually begun to be prouder of Germany for Germany--but it's still far less than most other countries.
11th Aug '16 1:21:34 PM Morgenthaler
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Although probably every Third World Country suffers from the Cringe, in {{Mexico}}'s case it certainly doesn't help sharing more than a thousand miles of border with '''the''' world's biggest economic, military, and culturally hegemonic superpower.

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Although probably every Third World Country suffers from the Cringe, in {{Mexico}}'s UsefulNotes/{{Mexico}}'s case it certainly doesn't help sharing more than a thousand miles of border with '''the''' world's biggest economic, military, and culturally hegemonic superpower.
1st Aug '16 5:13:48 AM Morgenthaler
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The aforementioned tradition may be older than 200 years. Fast Westernization that started under Peter the Great, cultural distance between landowners and serfs, and willing inclusion of foreign families into the Russian ruling class led to the situation where members of Russian noble families [[EloquentInMyNativeTongue did not speak Russian]]. Books and conversations were in French, which explains the first pages of [[WarAndPeace War and Peace]]. During Napoleonic wars, this suddenly became unpatriotic, and many young men and women started to take lessons from their family serfs.

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The aforementioned tradition may be older than 200 years. Fast Westernization that started under Peter the Great, cultural distance between landowners and serfs, and willing inclusion of foreign families into the Russian ruling class led to the situation where members of Russian noble families [[EloquentInMyNativeTongue did not speak Russian]]. Books and conversations were in French, which explains the first pages of [[WarAndPeace War and Peace]].''Literature/WarAndPeace''. During Napoleonic wars, this suddenly became unpatriotic, and many young men and women started to take lessons from their family serfs.
23rd Jul '16 1:01:34 AM DefyingGallifrey
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Many Australians want to distance themselves from the overseas stereotype of more 'bogan' people (i.e. those who say 'g'day mate', wear anything emblazened with the flag on Australia day and speak in particularly broad accents). There is also a general disgust at the countries politicians - their lies, hypocrisy and, some would say, outdated prejudice and xenophobia. At school, Australians spend more time on the history of other countries than on the history of their own.
4th May '16 5:21:17 AM franskaflikan
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In fact, the Cringe is so exacerbated that it gets its very own word: ''Malinchismo'', which doesn't exist anywhere else in the Spanish speaking world.[[note]]"Malinchismo" refers to "La Malinche," an indian female slave who was given as a gift to conquistador Hernan Cortes by the indians, became his mistress, and served as translator for his party with the tribes that they met. Post-colonial governments, though ''at least'' as white-dominated and oppressive of the Indians as the Spanish, vilified her as a "traitor", in what's basically the standard ex-colonial variation on standard [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romantic_nationalism romantic nationalist mythology]], except with extra misogyny.[[/note]]

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In fact, the Cringe is so exacerbated that it gets its very own word: ''Malinchismo'', which doesn't exist anywhere else in the Spanish speaking world. There's also the fact that even though country has a rich and proud history, most mexicans find themselves at odds and claim that it was better in the Old Times or someone does it better than us.[[note]]"Malinchismo" refers to "La Malinche," an indian female slave who was given as a gift to conquistador Hernan Cortes by the indians, became his mistress, and served as translator for his party with the tribes that they met. Post-colonial governments, though ''at least'' as white-dominated and oppressive of the Indians as the Spanish, vilified her as a "traitor", in what's basically the standard ex-colonial variation on standard [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romantic_nationalism romantic nationalist mythology]], except with extra misogyny.[[/note]] As an example of Malinchismo before and after, Porfirio Diaz, the "last" dictator, took a lot of French imagery in order to bring progress to Mexico and reformed the educational and military system to equate the Prussian on; even today the government made damn sure that you felt proud of being a Mexican, and most of the Malinchismo is in-land because once you're out you claim to be proud, leading to the feeling that it's better to be a Mexican outside Mexico.
10th Feb '16 8:52:44 PM MachiNami
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[[folder: The Cringe in Argentina]]
Even though most Argentinians suffer from bad cases of egocentric nationalism, there are others that live on the opposite extreme, always feeling inferior and trying to compare the country with some European powers like Germany. The quantity of this individuals varies depending on the generation but they usually appear in times of economic crisis. Other variant are the Argentinians that are a-bi-too-pride of their European heritage and will deprecate their country (this is specially common among those of German and French ethnicity).
It should be noted that the ones most prone to this kind of behaviour are more often than not members of middle to high classes of the Argentinian population.
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15th Jan '16 6:46:50 AM Anddrix
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These are some of the reasons French people seriously fear the long-term decline of French culture ; ironically, much of this fear is also a reaction against government efforts initially intended to ''promote'' French culture, as many French find these efforts to be ill-advised in some way or another ; for example, French people often find they have much unoriginal music, and fictions of deplorable quality (especially less than stellar TV series), with an overabundance of [[LeFilmArtistique pseudo-auteur films]] aimed at an urban upper class audience and [[ViewersAreMorons bad comedies aimed at uncultured people]].

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These are some of the reasons French people seriously fear the long-term decline of French culture ; ironically, much of this fear is also a reaction against government efforts initially intended to ''promote'' French culture, as many French find these efforts to be ill-advised in some way or another ; for example, French people often find they have much unoriginal music, and fictions of deplorable quality (especially less than stellar TV series), with an overabundance of [[LeFilmArtistique pseudo-auteur films]] aimed at an urban upper class audience and [[ViewersAreMorons bad comedies aimed at uncultured people]].
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American self-image has also struggled [[TheWarOnTerror since the Iraq War]], which in their country has stirred up a political storm akin to [[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar the one they had in Vietnam]]. In social situations with foreigners it's not uncommon for Americans to refer to their country as if it were AmericaTheBoorish (in other words, the "[[TooDumbToLive brainless]] [[FatBastard obese]] [[AlwaysChaoticEvil barbarians]]" flavor) and express [[BoomerangBigot loathing for their more militaristic and jingoistic countrymen]]. It is not at all uncommon, especially on the Internet, for Americans with left-leaning views to lament that their country is seemingly run by crazy [[TheFundamentalist religious fundamentalists]] in alliance with an [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney oligarchy of]] {{Corrupt Corporate Executive}}s[[note]] To be fair, their 2000 richest people ''do'' own about 1/5 of their entire country's wealth. It could be argued that those people earn their wealth by providing valued services, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement but such a debate has no place on this page.]][[/note]], supported by [[ViewersAreMorons a willfully ignorant, moronic, exploitative, and greedy middle class that gorges itself on soulless, commercialized pop culture, all of which needs to be burned down.]] These left-wing Americans will then hold up either the Nordic countries in Europe with very strong government control or Socialist "Bolivarian" Latin American Countries (Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador) as examples of countries that are better than America in every way, often ignoring the inconvenient facts that their societal models aren't universally applicable and the latter places have problems of their own . Many will outright reject any "Americana" with subversive counterculture and actions (flag burning, "fuck America", [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking punk rock]], "culture jamming", et cetera).

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American self-image has also struggled [[TheWarOnTerror since the Iraq War]], which in their country has stirred up a political storm akin to [[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar the one they had in Vietnam]]. In social situations with foreigners it's not uncommon for Americans to refer to their country as if it were AmericaTheBoorish (in other words, the "[[TooDumbToLive brainless]] [[FatBastard obese]] [[AlwaysChaoticEvil barbarians]]" flavor) and express [[BoomerangBigot loathing for their more militaristic and jingoistic countrymen]]. It is not at all uncommon, especially on the Internet, for Americans with left-leaning views to lament that their country is seemingly run by crazy [[TheFundamentalist religious fundamentalists]] in alliance with an [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveMoney oligarchy of]] {{Corrupt Corporate Executive}}s[[note]] To be fair, their 2000 richest people ''do'' own about 1/5 of their entire country's wealth. It could be argued that those people earn their wealth by providing valued services, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement but such a debate has no place on this page.]][[/note]], supported by [[ViewersAreMorons a willfully ignorant, moronic, exploitative, and greedy middle class that gorges itself on soulless, commercialized pop culture, all of which needs to be burned down.]] down. These left-wing Americans will then hold up either the Nordic countries in Europe with very strong government control or Socialist "Bolivarian" Latin American Countries (Venezuela, Bolivia and Ecuador) as examples of countries that are better than America in every way, often ignoring the inconvenient facts that their societal models aren't universally applicable and the latter places have problems of their own . Many will outright reject any "Americana" with subversive counterculture and actions (flag burning, "fuck America", [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking punk rock]], "culture jamming", et cetera).
4th Jan '16 4:17:12 AM Morgenthaler
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Funnily enough, this didn't happen with Australian popular music. Bands like [[Music/{{ACDC}} AC/DC]] grew in the 'pub rock' scene of the 70s and early 80s, with many notable Australian artists such as MidnightOil, Hunters and Collectors, and ColdChisel being phenomenally popular within Australia but virtually unheard of elsewhere. This can also work to partly explain the Australian national fixation with sport, sporting events being an area in which Australians also typically excel on the international level.

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Funnily enough, this didn't happen with Australian popular music. Bands like [[Music/{{ACDC}} AC/DC]] Music/{{ACDC}} grew in the 'pub rock' scene of the 70s and early 80s, with many notable Australian artists such as MidnightOil, Music/MidnightOil, Hunters and Collectors, and ColdChisel Music/ColdChisel being phenomenally popular within Australia but virtually unheard of elsewhere. This can also work to partly explain the Australian national fixation with sport, sporting events being an area in which Australians also typically excel on the international level.
29th Dec '15 8:30:43 PM Willbyr
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!!Works involving Cultural Cringe

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!!Works involving Cultural Cringe
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* ''SakigakeOtokojuku'', an anime that frequently [[TestosteronePoisoning lampoons Japanese nationalism]].

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* ''SakigakeOtokojuku'', ''Manga/SakigakeOtokojuku'', an anime that frequently [[TestosteronePoisoning lampoons Japanese nationalism]].
10th Dec '15 11:48:31 AM FF32
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* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMHdGBz2AqI This sketch]] from ''TheKidsInTheHall''.

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* [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMHdGBz2AqI This sketch]] from ''TheKidsInTheHall''.''Series/TheKidsInTheHall''.
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