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* BlackLagoon: the vampire twins started out as this when they were forced to kill other children in paedophilic [[SnuffFilm Snuff Films]]. At some point they [[BreakTheCutie broke]] [[AxCrazy and began to like it]].

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* BlackLagoon: ''BlackLagoon'': the vampire twins started out as this when they were forced to kill other children in paedophilic [[SnuffFilm Snuff Films]]. At some point they [[BreakTheCutie broke]] [[AxCrazy and began to like it]].



* YMMV, but in D Gray Man, the average age for an Exorcist seems to be late teens...Allen's fifteenish when things start, Lenalee's about the same, Lavi's eighteen, and Kanda [[spoiler: has literally been an Exorcist since the day he was born due to certain experiments performed by the Order.]]

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* YMMV, but in D Gray Man, ''DGrayMan'', the average age for an Exorcist seems to be late teens...teens. Allen's fifteenish when things start, Lenalee's about the same, same but has been working as one since childhood, Lavi's eighteen, and Kanda [[spoiler: has literally been an Exorcist since the day he was born due to certain experiments performed by the Order.]]



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* TheTomorrowSeries: Ellie and her friends didn't set out originally to be guerrillas...
* In the [[{{Dragonlance}} Dark Disciple Trilogy]] this is the most terrible facet of the Children of Chemosh. This otherwise NighInvulnerable version of TheUndead created by Chemosh can only be destroyed if a child strikes them. The destruction of the creature is [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel so horrifying]] that it also traumatizes the child and robs them of their youthful innocence forever.

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* TheTomorrowSeries: ''TheTomorrowSeries'': Ellie and her friends didn't set out originally to be guerrillas...
* In the [[{{Dragonlance}} ''[[{{Dragonlance}} Dark Disciple Trilogy]] Trilogy]]'' this is the most terrible facet of the Children of Chemosh. This otherwise NighInvulnerable version of TheUndead created by Chemosh can only be destroyed if a child strikes them. The destruction of the creature is [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel so horrifying]] that it also traumatizes the child and robs them of their youthful innocence forever.
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* In CriminalMinds episode ''North Mammon'' an unsub kidnaps three girls and imprisons them in his basement cellar, he will let two of them go if they kill one of them.
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* {{Lost}}: One character got his start in murder by covering for his brother when forced to kill a chicken. Another did the same thing, but with a person.
** Sayid and Mr. Eko, respectively.

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* {{Lost}}: One character On ''{{Lost}}'', Sayid got his start in murder by covering for his brother when forced to kill a chicken. Another Eko did the same thing, but with a person.
** Sayid and Mr. Eko, respectively.
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* In [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ComicBook/TheWalkingDead The Walking Dead]], [[spoiler: Carl's shooting saves the lives of both his parents within a day of each other.]]

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* IronMaiden's "Sun and Steel" has the following lines:
--> Well, you killed your first man at 13,
--> Killer instinct, Animal supreme,
--> By 16 you had learned to fight
--> The way of the warrior, you took it as your right.
** Whether or not this is an example depends on whether the child was forced to kill the man, but judging from the lyrics, he was probably put in that position.
** The song is about MiyamotoMusashi (and named after a Yukito Mishima essay on Musashi). According to his own account and other sources, Musashi fought and won his first duel at age 13, killing his opponent by ''beating him to death with a staff''. Musashi willfully challenged his opponent and resisted all attempts by his uncle to rescind the challenge, so "forced to kill" doesn't really apply.

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* In the [[{{Dragonlance}} Dark Disciple Trilogy]] this is the horrifying secret of the Children of Chemosh. This unique version of TheUndead created by Chemosh can only be destroyed if a child strikes them. The destruction of the creature is [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel so horrifying]] that it also traumatizes the child and robs them of their youthful innocence forever.

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* In the [[{{Dragonlance}} Dark Disciple Trilogy]] this is the horrifying secret most terrible facet of the Children of Chemosh. This unique otherwise NighInvulnerable version of TheUndead created by Chemosh can only be destroyed if a child strikes them. The destruction of the creature is [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel so horrifying]] that it also traumatizes the child and robs them of their youthful innocence forever.

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* In the [[{{Dragonlance}} Dark Disciple Trilogy]] this is the horrifying secret of the Children of Chemosh. This unique version of TheUndead created by Chemosh can only be destroyed if a child strikes them. The destruction of the creature is [[HighOctaneNightmareFuel so horrifying]] that it also traumatizes the child and robs them of their youthful innocence forever.
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* Basically the whole plot of TheHungerGames books.
* The entire premise of Battle Royale is that a group of 64-ish students are taken to an island and forced to kill each other until only one survives. Adding to the "forced" aspect is the fact that they're wearing explosive collars and if no one dies for twenty four hours, the guys in charge will kill everyone...

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* Basically the whole plot of TheHungerGames ''TheHungerGames'' books.
* The entire premise of Battle Royale ''BattleRoyale'' is that a group of 64-ish students are taken to an island and forced to kill each other until only one survives. Adding to the "forced" aspect is the fact that they're wearing explosive collars and if no one dies for twenty four hours, the guys in charge will kill everyone...
* TheTomorrowSeries: Ellie and her friends didn't set out originally to be guerrillas...
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* ''BloodDiamond''
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** Aang, only 12 years old, absolutely hates this. He has nightmares about when his Avatar self went out-of-control, and is horrified at the thought of having to kill Fire-Lord Ozai, as he believes all life is sacred.

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** Aang, only 12 years old, absolutely hates this. He has nightmares about when his Avatar self went out-of-control, and is horrified at the thought of having to kill Fire-Lord Ozai, as he believes all life is sacred.sacred.
* In ''VentureBrothers'', a clip from ''The Rusty Venture Show'' shows a young Rusty traumatically having to shoot a bad guy to save his father. Just one of the [[DysfunctionJunction many little events]] that screwed up Rusty.
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Can lead to an even more warped form of BloodSplatteredInnocents. Often the cause of a DarkAndTroubledPast. ChildSoldiers must do this as a matter of course. KidHero stories with a particularly dark tone may also have this as normality for the setting. {{Tyke Bomb}}s can become this if said Tyke bomb is forced to kill before it can [[DefusingTheTykeBomb be defused.]]

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Can lead to an even more warped form of BloodSplatteredInnocents. Often the cause of a DarkAndTroubledPast. ChildSoldiers must do this as a matter of course. KidHero stories with a particularly dark tone may also have this as normality for the setting.setting, especially if that setting is a TeenageWasteland. {{Tyke Bomb}}s can become this if said Tyke bomb is forced to kill before it can [[DefusingTheTykeBomb be defused.]]
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* Happens in various ''{{Gundam}}'' franchises where the protagonists are young enough and the universe serious enough. Although combat is generally personified by mechas, the protagonists generally never forget that there is a person behind a war machine that is so easy to objectify, and spend time angsting over it.

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* Happens in various ''{{Gundam}}'' franchises where the protagonists are young enough and the universe serious enough. Although combat is generally personified by mechas, the protagonists generally never forget that there is a person behind a inside the war machine that is so easy to objectify, and spend time angsting over it.
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* Happens in various ''{{Gundam}}'' franchises where the protagonists are young enough and the universe serious enough. Although combat is generally personified by mechas, the protagonists generally never forget that there is a person behind a war machine that is so easy to objectify, and spend time angsting over it.
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* Cassandra Cain, the third Batgirl, was trained to be this when she was younger. Subverted in that, after her first kill, she panicked and ran off, vowing never to take another life.

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*YMMV, but in D Gray Man, the average age for an Exorcist seems to be late teens...Allen's fifteenish when things start, Lenalee's about the same, Lavi's eighteen, and Kanda [[spoiler: has literally been an Exorcist since the day he was born due to certain experiments performed by the Order.]]




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*The entire premise of Battle Royale is that a group of 64-ish students are taken to an island and forced to kill each other until only one survives. Adding to the "forced" aspect is the fact that they're wearing explosive collars and if no one dies for twenty four hours, the guys in charge will kill everyone...
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Of course, this goes along with ChildSoldiers.
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** The song is about MiyamotoMusashi (and named after a Yukito Mishima essay on Musashi). According to his own account and other sources, Musashi fought and won his first duel at age 13, killing his opponent by ''beating him to death with a staff''. Musashi willfully challenged his opponent and resisted all attempts by his uncle to rescind the challenge, so "forced to kill" doesn't really apply.
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* AvatarTheLastAirbender is set in a world at war, and since the protagonists are children, its only natural that this trope gets discussed. At one point we see a group of displaced children who are willing to kill ''innocent civilians'' for revenge against the Fire Nation, as well as the protagonists fighting (and almost certainly killing) soldier right and left.
** Aang, only 12 years old, absolutely hates this. He has nightmares about when his Avatar self went out-of-control, and is horrified at the thought of having to kill Fire-Lord Ozai, as he believes all life is sacred.
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* Basically the whole plot of the Hunger Games books.

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* Basically the whole plot of the Hunger Games TheHungerGames books.
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* SurvivalOfTheFittest: Even if you don't count the teenagers (who are usually 15-19) being forced to kill each other, there have been a few younger characters on the show as well, such as 12-year olds who did fit this.
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* TheQuickAndTheDead had [[spoiler:The Lady, as a young girl, attempt to shoot a hanging rope in two to save her father, but she missed the rope and hit him [[PrettyLittleHeadshots square in the forehead]] instead.]] Not forced to kill her father, but forced to take an action that took her fathers life.

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* TheQuickAndTheDead had [[spoiler:The Lady, as a young girl, attempt to [[ShootTheRope shoot a hanging rope in two to save her father, father]], but she missed the rope and hit him [[PrettyLittleHeadshots square in the forehead]] instead.]] Not forced to kill her father, but forced to take an action that took her fathers life.
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Note: Children who kill when they don't have to aren't this: thats some form of EnfantTerrible.

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* Example from, of all places, ''ElGoonishShive''. Well, depending on your definition of 'child', but [[spoiler: Susan and Nanase]] probably weren't much more than 12 when, during a class-trip to France, they wind up being targeted by a [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Somewhat Different Vampire]]. He's not technically human, but he LOOKS human - mostly - and while [[spoiler: Nanase]] does most of the fighting, it's [[spoiler: Susan]] who ends up having to kill him - with an axe, even. Unsurprisingly, she was somewhat traumatized, and the recent arc that featured the flashback culminated in an Immortal decrying the irresponsibility of the two french Immortals who originally equipped [[spoiler: Nanase and Susan]] for the battle, while giving them no apparent alternative save dying at the hands of the vampire. Apparently, they could have simply informed the French Government's anti-supernatural-creature-squad instead, but elected to drag two pre-teens into a battle in order to 'recruit them for the fight against evil'. OmniscientMoralityLicense, anyone?

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* Example from, of all places, ''ElGoonishShive''. Well, depending on your definition of 'child', but [[spoiler: Susan and Nanase]] probably weren't much more than 12 when, during a class-trip to France, they wind up being targeted by a [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Somewhat Different Vampire]]. He's not technically human, but he LOOKS human - mostly - and while [[spoiler: Nanase]] does most of the fighting, it's [[spoiler: Susan]] who ends up having to kill him - with an axe, even. Unsurprisingly, she was somewhat traumatized, and the recent arc that featured the flashback culminated in an Immortal decrying the irresponsibility of the two french Immortals who originally equipped [[spoiler: Nanase and Susan]] for the battle, while giving them no apparent alternative save dying at the hands of the vampire. Apparently, they could have simply informed the French Government's anti-supernatural-creature-squad instead, but elected to drag two pre-teens into a battle in order to 'recruit them for the fight against evil'. OmniscientMoralityLicense, anyone?anyone?
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* BlackLagoon: the vampire twins.

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* BlackLagoon: the vampire twins.twins started out as this when they were forced to kill other children in paedophilic [[SnuffFilm Snuff Films]]. At some point they [[BreakTheCutie broke]] [[AxCrazy and began to like it]].
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* Example from, of all places, ''ElGoonishShive''. Well, depending on your definition of 'child', but Susan and Nanase probably weren't much more than 12 when, during a class-trip to France, they wind up being targeted by a [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Somewhat Different Vampire]]. He's not technically human, but he LOOKS human - mostly - and while Nanase does most of the fighting, it's Susan who ends up having to kill him - with an axe, even. Unsurprisingly, she was somewhat traumatized, and the recent arc that featured the flashback culminated in an Immortal decrying the irresponsibility of the two french Immortals who originally equipped Nanase and Susan for the battle, while giving them no apparent alternative save dying at the hands of the vampire. Apparently, they could have simply informed the French Government's anti-supernatural-creature-squad instead, but elected to drag two pre-teens into a battle in order to 'recruit them for the fight against evil'. OmniscientMoralityLicense, anyone?

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* Example from, of all places, ''ElGoonishShive''. Well, depending on your definition of 'child', but [[spoiler: Susan and Nanase Nanase]] probably weren't much more than 12 when, during a class-trip to France, they wind up being targeted by a [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Somewhat Different Vampire]]. He's not technically human, but he LOOKS human - mostly - and while Nanase [[spoiler: Nanase]] does most of the fighting, it's Susan [[spoiler: Susan]] who ends up having to kill him - with an axe, even. Unsurprisingly, she was somewhat traumatized, and the recent arc that featured the flashback culminated in an Immortal decrying the irresponsibility of the two french Immortals who originally equipped [[spoiler: Nanase and Susan Susan]] for the battle, while giving them no apparent alternative save dying at the hands of the vampire. Apparently, they could have simply informed the French Government's anti-supernatural-creature-squad instead, but elected to drag two pre-teens into a battle in order to 'recruit them for the fight against evil'. OmniscientMoralityLicense, anyone?

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* {{Lost}}:
** Sayid got his start in murder by covering for his brother when forced to kill a chicken.
** Mr. Eko did the same thing, but with a person.

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{{Lost}}: One character got his start in murder by covering for his brother when forced to kill a chicken.chicken. Another did the same thing, but with a person.
** Mr. Eko did the same thing, but with a person.
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Click Having to kill another human being is traumatic enough. But when a child has to do it, either in defense of themselves, in defense of another, or being forced at gunpoint or swordpoint themselves to do it, the edit button effect can be all the more horrifying. The fact that even children are forced to hand out violence in a setting to defend themselves adds to the [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism cynicism]] of a setting. Children having to kill on a regular basis is a red flag for a CrapsackWorld.

The reasons for a child having to kill vary. They may have been attacked by someone and struck out in defence: they just happened to have the right thing on hand. Equally, they may manage to get the drop on someone who is trying to murder a parent or other carer. As mentioned before, they may be forced to do it, either as some form of TrainingFromHell or just from a [[CompleteMonster complete sadist.]] This will be made all the more tragic if it was someone close to the character: a friend, relative or, worst of all, [[SelfMadeOrphan their own parent or even parents.]] If this is in a characters past, it will be a [[DarkAndTroubledPast dark and troubled one.]]

Can lead to an even more warped form of BloodSplatteredInnocents. Often the cause of a DarkAndTroubledPast. ChildSoldiers must do this as a matter of course. KidHero stories with a particularly dark tone may also have this as normality for the setting. {{Tyke Bomb}}s can become this if said Tyke bomb is forced to kill before it can [[DefusingTheTykeBomb be defused.]]

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*BlackLagoon: the vampire twins.
* ''GunslingerGirl'' is all about this.
* ''{{Madlax}}'' has this as part of the BackStory: [[spoiler:the entire plot basically stems from the fact that Margaret killed her own father (in self-defence) when she was 5 years old]].
*Killua from ''HunterXHunter'' is an example. Being a member of a BigScrewedUpFamily of assassins, he's taught to kill from infancy, and forced into the life of an assassin without being given much of any choice in the matter. He was murdering people before he turned 6, and by the time he appears in the show - at an age of maybe 10 or 11 - he's already killed hundreds of people.

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*''CityOfGod'' has an infamous example in which a ganglord forces one small child to kill his even younger friend after they steal from him.
*TheQuickAndTheDead had [[spoiler:The Lady, as a young girl, attempt to shoot a hanging rope in two to save her father, but she missed the rope and hit him [[PrettyLittleHeadshots square in the forehead]] instead.]] Not forced to kill her father, but forced to take an action that took her fathers life.

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*H.H. Munro's ''The Easter Egg''
*Robert Muchamore's "Home" in which the protagonist is a very young guerilla soldier. After doing it he is nicknamed "Psycho".
*Basically the whole plot of the Hunger Games books.

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*The ''TwentyFour'' MadeForTVMovie ''Redemption'' included some children being trained to kill by the followers of an African general. (That was about when I stopped watching ''24'' so I don't know if it carried over to the season or not.)
*{{Lost}}:
**Sayid got his
start in murder by covering for his brother when forced to kill a chicken.
**Mr. Eko did the same thing, but with a person.

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*IronMaiden's "Sun and Steel" has the following lines:
--> Well, you killed your first man at 13,
--> Killer instinct, Animal supreme,
--> By 16 you had learned to fight
--> The way of the warrior, you took it as your right.
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this new page. is an example depends on whether the child was forced to kill the man, but judging from the lyrics, he was probably put in that position.

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*Example from, of all places, ''ElGoonishShive''. Well, depending on your definition of 'child', but Susan and Nanase probably weren't much more than 12 when, during a class-trip to France, they wind up being targeted by a [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Somewhat Different Vampire]]. He's not technically human, but he LOOKS human - mostly - and while Nanase does most of the fighting, it's Susan who ends up having to kill him - with an axe, even. Unsurprisingly, she was somewhat traumatized, and the recent arc that featured the flashback culminated in an Immortal decrying the irresponsibility of the two french Immortals who originally equipped Nanase and Susan for the battle, while giving them no apparent alternative save dying at the hands of the vampire. Apparently, they could have simply informed the French Government's anti-supernatural-creature-squad instead, but elected to drag two pre-teens into a battle in order to 'recruit them for the fight against evil'. OmniscientMoralityLicense, anyone?

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