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18th Nov '17 9:27:13 PM vexusdylandasecond
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* ''WesternAnimation/WanderOverYonder'': By season 2, thanks to his obsessive desire to destroy Wander instead of focusing on being a GalacticConqueror, Lord Hater falls into this category. Lord Dominator usurps him as the BigBad of the show at that point.
18th Nov '17 3:24:36 PM randomtroper89
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* The Trade Federation and Separatist leaders are this in the prequel trilogy of ''Franchise/StarWars''. They think their war is the main event and they'll be in charge after the dust settles, but it's all just a long game by Palpatine to take over as Emperor. They only realize their mistake when [[spoiler: Palpatine sends Darth Vader to slaughter them all after they've [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness outlived their usefulness]].]]

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The Trade Federation and Separatist leaders are this in the prequel trilogy of ''Franchise/StarWars''.of . They think their war is the main event and they'll be in charge after the dust settles, but it's all just a long game by Palpatine to take over as Emperor. They only realize their mistake when [[spoiler: Palpatine sends Darth Vader to slaughter them all after they've [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness outlived their usefulness]].]]


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** The Human Trafficking Ring from Season Ten. During the premiere "X", they are revealed to have supplied the VillainOfTheWeek with his victims, and have many more clients. They spend the entire season stalking Meg, and finally kidnap her in the season finale. The have the rather stupid assumption that such a brazen attack against an FBI agent will discourage the FBI from investigating them. Up until that point the [=BAU=] weren't even aware of their existence. Within a few hours of getting the [=BAU=]'s attention, the entire ring is completely wiped out by them.
18th Nov '17 3:02:36 PM randomtroper89
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** Loki in ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}''. Oh sure he's got the Chitauri backing him up and he puts on a big show, but in the end he's nothing more than a self-absorbed pawn to Thanos. In the EvilPlan, Loki will get Earth, but Thanos will get the Infinity Gems and pretty much the whole universe.
** Similarly, Ronan in ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'' seems to think he's the biggest threat around when in reality he's basically just a glorified courier bringing a stone to Thanos. Thanos actually calls him out on this at one point, giving a blistering ReasonYouSuckSpeech in the process.

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** Loki in ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}''. Oh sure he's Avengers|2012}}'' has got the Chitauri backing him up and he puts on a big show, but in the end he's nothing more than a self-absorbed pawn to Thanos. In the EvilPlan, Loki will get Earth, but Thanos will get the Infinity Gems and pretty much the whole universe.
** Similarly, Ronan in ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'' seems to think he's the biggest threat around when in reality he's basically just a glorified courier bringing a stone to Thanos. Thanos actually calls him out on this at one point, giving a blistering ReasonYouSuckSpeech in the process.



** ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol2'' has two:
*** Taserface believes that Yondu's going too soft and leads a mutiny, taking control of his Ravager crew. But everyone outside the crew laughs in his face because of his chosen alias; and once Yondu snaps out of his HeroicBSOD he, Rocket, and Groot slaughter everyone.
*** Ayesha is queen of an incredibly arrogant race, the Sovereign, and swears vengeance on the Guardians for daring to offend them. The Sovereign forces end up being no more than an annoyance, and the worst that happens is that they end up distracting the Guardians while they're fighting the real villain. As of TheStinger, Ayesha's still at it but even the other Sovereign are getting tired of her wasting resources on the Guardians. She may ascend to true BigBad status in ''Vol. 3'', as she's bioengineering a powerful being called [[spoiler:ComicBook/AdamWarlock]]; but it also has the potential to backfire on her really badly (as in the comics, [[spoiler:Adam Warlock is a powerful ''hero'']]).

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** ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol2'' has two:
two, mostly to distract the audience to the real villain [[spoiler:Ego, the living Planet]].
*** Taserface believes that Yondu's going too soft and leads a mutiny, taking control of but only succeeds with help from Nebula who has no problems overriding his Ravager crew. But everyone outside order. Even after the crew laughs in his face because of his chosen alias; mutiny Rocket can't take him seriously, and once after Yondu snaps out of gets his HeroicBSOD he, Rocket, weapon back, he and Groot slaughter everyone.
the rest of the traitors are dispatched in a truly devastating Curb-Stomp Battle. Even his dying wish gets laughed upon by the Sovereign, who also can't take his name seriously.
*** Ayesha is queen of an incredibly arrogant race, the Sovereign, and swears vengeance on the Guardians for daring to offend them. The When the Sovereign forces end up being no more than an annoyance, and the worst that happens is that try to pursue the, they end up getting easily swatted away by Ego. They try hire they Ravagers to find the Guardians, resulting in the aforementioned mutiny. Once they find the Guardians they try to capture them again, but end up only distracting the Guardians while they're fighting the real villain. As of TheStinger, Ayesha's still at it but even the other Sovereign are getting tired of her wasting resources on the Guardians. She may ascend to true BigBad status in ''Vol. 3'', as she's bioengineering a powerful being called [[spoiler:ComicBook/AdamWarlock]]; but it also has the potential to backfire on her really badly (as in the comics, [[spoiler:Adam Warlock is a powerful ''hero'']]).hero]]).
15th Nov '17 12:14:09 PM VisitorAlex
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* Martin Madrazo from ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoV'' is, in a lot of ways, the traditional GTA gangster that defines the BigBad throughout the games. The big difference is, Martin Madrazo is what you get when two of your playable protagonists are a short-tempered former bank-robber who [[spoiler: tears down million-dollar houses belonging to your mistresses just to get at a guy that was sleeping with his wife]], and the other a complete psycho who [[spoiler: falls madly in love with your wife ''after'' he kidnaps her (and tears out your ear when he sees how you've been mistreating her)]]. In any other GTA game, Martin would be a legitimate BigBad threat. In GTA V, he simply ''can't catch enough of a break'' to be a proper antagonist.

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* Martin Madrazo from ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoV'' is, in a lot of ways, the traditional GTA gangster that defines the BigBad throughout the games. The big difference is, Martin Madrazo is what you get when two of your playable protagonists are a short-tempered former bank-robber who [[spoiler: tears down million-dollar houses belonging to your mistresses just to get at a guy that was sleeping with his wife]], and the other a complete psycho who [[spoiler: falls madly in love with your wife ''after'' he kidnaps her (and tears out your ear when he sees how you've been mistreating her)]]. In any other GTA game, Martin would be a legitimate BigBad threat. In GTA V, he simply ''can't catch enough of a break'' to be a proper antagonist.''VideoGame/GrandTheftAuto'':


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** Similarly, TheMafia has been reduced to this level in the latest sequels, particularly in ''[[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoIV GTA IV]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoV GTA V]]''. They are no match for TheCartel, let alone [[NebulousCriminalConspiracy Merryweather and the corrupt forces]].
** Martin Madrazo from ''VideoGame/GrandTheftAutoV'' is, in a lot of ways, the traditional GTA gangster that defines the BigBad throughout the games. The big difference is, Martin Madrazo is what you get when two of your playable protagonists are a short-tempered former bank-robber who [[spoiler: tears down million-dollar houses belonging to your mistresses just to get at a guy that was sleeping with his wife]], and the other a complete psycho who [[spoiler: falls madly in love with your wife ''after'' he kidnaps her (and tears out your ear when he sees how you've been mistreating her)]]. In any other GTA game, Martin would be a legitimate BigBad threat. In GTA V, he simply ''can't catch enough of a break'' to be a proper antagonist.
15th Nov '17 8:45:38 AM mario0987
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*** In spin-off media, the Meddling Monk- the Doctor's first Time Lord enemy- tends to come across as this; he likes to consider himself the 'hero', rebelling against Time Lord society to make history better according to his own views while dismissing the Doctor as a fool at best and a hypocrite at worst, but his efforts to supplant the Doctor always fail. The Monk's most elaborate scheme- ''Blood Heat'' to ''No Future''- simply creates an alternate timeline where the Doctor died before he is manipulated by the Doctor's companion Ace, and when his return in the Eighth Doctor audios sees him [[spoiler:make a deal with the ''Daleks'', he is genuinely shocked when the Daleks betray him, spending time weeping about the death of his companion.]] The Monk goes on to try and [[spoiler:take the Doctor's place in history, but even when he succeeds after tricking the Fifth Doctor into changing history in "The Secret History", the Monk's former ally looks into the future and realises that history is worse with the Monk's active interference than it would be with the Doctor's more benevolent, hidden assistance.]]

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*** ** The Saxon Master becomes this again in "The Doctor Falls". At first, he is set up as the creator of the Mondasian Cybermen (or at least a sub group) with an army of them at his command; then the Doctor expands the kinds of life forms the Cybermen can upgrade to include him. Once the Mondasian Cybermen turn on him, the Master is left completely powerless as they take over the BigBad role.
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In spin-off media, the Meddling Monk- the Doctor's first Time Lord enemy- tends to come across as this; he likes to consider himself the 'hero', rebelling against Time Lord society to make history better according to his own views while dismissing the Doctor as a fool at best and a hypocrite at worst, but his efforts to supplant the Doctor always fail. The Monk's most elaborate scheme- ''Blood Heat'' to ''No Future''- simply creates an alternate timeline where the Doctor died before he is manipulated by the Doctor's companion Ace, and when his return in the Eighth Doctor audios sees him [[spoiler:make a deal with the ''Daleks'', he is genuinely shocked when the Daleks betray him, spending time weeping about the death of his companion.]] The Monk goes on to try and [[spoiler:take the Doctor's place in history, but even when he succeeds after tricking the Fifth Doctor into changing history in "The Secret History", the Monk's former ally looks into the future and realises that history is worse with the Monk's active interference than it would be with the Doctor's more benevolent, hidden assistance.]]


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** [[spoiler: [=Lady Tremaine/Victoria Belfry=]]] in season 7. She is a CompositeCharacter of previous [[BigBad villains]] and is set up as a major villain who cast the Dark Curse again. [[spoiler: Except she didn't; it was her daughter, [=Drizella/Ivy=] who cast the Dark Curse that created Hyperion Heights and it is clear it is her who is running the show. Even Tremaine's plan to revive Anastasia pale in comparison to Drizella's revenge.]]
13th Nov '17 4:59:43 PM SSJMagus
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** Dr Gero, aka Android 20. Although he is very powerful, being many times stronger than Frieza, him underestimating the Saiyans and Piccolo despite his research proves to be his undoing. That and he thought raw power alone was enough to beat a group who have trained their entire lives and he was shortsighted enough to give himself the weaker, outdated android design instead of the much more powerful endless energy model like Androids 17 and 18.

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** Dr Gero, aka Android 20. Although he is very powerful, being many times stronger than Frieza, him underestimating the Saiyans and Piccolo despite his research proves to be his undoing. That and he thought raw power alone was enough to beat a group who have trained their entire lives and he was shortsighted enough to give himself the weaker, outdated android design instead of the much more powerful endless energy model like Androids 17 and 18. (Though this is implied to be because the elderly Gero was too frail to survive being converted into the more powerful model.)



* Komodo Dragon from ''ComicBook/{{Invincible}}'' singlehandedly killed Shrinking Ray and Dupli-Kate and tore out one of Rex Splode's arms, but Rex still kills him shortly thereafter

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* Komodo Dragon from ''ComicBook/{{Invincible}}'' singlehandedly killed Shrinking Ray and Dupli-Kate and tore out one of Rex Splode's arms, but Rex still kills him shortly thereafterthereafter. [[spoiler:And Dupli-Kate turns out to have kept her ''real'' body safely far away from the battle, cutting his actual accomplishment as a villain in half.]] And he was only even a relevant threat at all because he attacked while [[WorldsStrongestMan the title character]] was off-planet dealing with a greater crisis.



* IDW's ''[[Franchise/TheTransformers Transformers]]'' comics examine this a fair bit with the textbook example, [[TheStarscream Starscream]]. He wants to be leader of the Decepticons, but he just doesn't have the skills needed to be a proper leader; the average Decepticon troops don't trust or like him, he's not as powerful as Megatron, and his battle strategies leave a lot to be desired. When he takes command of the Decepticons while Megatron is in a coma, he's unable to get the army regrouped and the battalion he's personally leading is left cut off from supplies, descending into violence and desperation. Megatron's first order of business upon waking is beating the ever-living shit out of Starscream and givig him a ReasonYouSuckSpeech to put him back in his place... [[InvokedTrope but not so much of a beating that it keeps Starscream from betraying him again, as he considers Starscream's scheming an important activity that keeps him from growing complacent]].

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* IDW's ''[[Franchise/TheTransformers Transformers]]'' comics examine this a fair bit with the textbook example, [[TheStarscream Starscream]]. He wants to be leader of the Decepticons, but he just doesn't have the skills needed to be a proper leader; the average Decepticon troops don't trust or like him, he's not as powerful as Megatron, and his battle strategies leave a lot to be desired. When he takes command of the Decepticons while Megatron is in a coma, he's unable to get the army regrouped and the battalion he's personally leading is left cut off from supplies, descending into violence and desperation. Megatron's first order of business upon waking is beating the ever-living shit out of Starscream and givig giving him a ReasonYouSuckSpeech to put him back in his place... [[InvokedTrope but not so much of a beating that it keeps Starscream from betraying him again, as he considers Starscream's scheming an important activity that keeps him from growing complacent]].



* [[spoiler: Admiral Marcus]] from ''Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness'' is most certainly a dangerous thereat with powerful connections, and proves this when [[spoiler:his starship the ''Vengeance'' easily incapacitates the ''Enterprise'']]. This however forces Kirk to [[EnemyMine team up with]] John Harrison aka [[spoiler:Khan Noonien Singh]] to infiltrate his ship. He easily folds when Harrison gets his hands on him, leaving the ''Vengeance'' in the hands of Harrison, and [[spoiler: Marcus]] nothing more than a tiny blip on a radar.

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* [[spoiler: Admiral Marcus]] from ''Film/StarTrekIntoDarkness'' is most certainly a dangerous thereat with powerful connections, and proves this when [[spoiler:his starship the ''Vengeance'' easily incapacitates the ''Enterprise'']]. This however forces Kirk to [[EnemyMine team up with]] John Harrison aka [[spoiler:Khan Noonien Singh]] to infiltrate his ship. He easily folds when Harrison gets his hands on him, leaving the ''Vengeance'' in the hands of Harrison, and [[spoiler: Marcus]] nothing more than a tiny blip on a radar.radar [[spoiler: [[YourHeadAsplode whose head gets crushed]] by Khan]].
13th Nov '17 8:50:31 AM chopshop
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*** In [[WesternAnimation/TransformersRobotsInDisguise the sequel series]], Megatron's defeat has left a vacuum that many Decepticons are rushing to fill. A few (Soundwave, Cyclonus and his team) show legitimate potential to reforge the Decepticon Empire. Most however (Steeljaw, Glowstrike, the Stunticons, etc.) are just glorified henchmen who have gotten big heads since Megatron was defeated. The Stunticons are especially bad about this, as the only reason they manage to be serious threats at all is because of GameBreaker powers and equipment they stole from others; once Team Bee catches onto their tricks or starts using those tricks themselves, the Stunticons get completely curb-stomped.
22nd Oct '17 5:33:24 AM HeyFella
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** SelfDemonstrating/{{Bowser}} is this in the various {{Role Playing Game}}s (save for the first ''[[VideoGame/PaperMario64 Paper Mario]]'', ''[[VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar Sticker Star]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiPaperJam Paper Jam]]''), in which he is always upstaged by the day's BigBad. Often, he is even put into a hero position to stop the villain.

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** SelfDemonstrating/{{Bowser}} [[Characters/SuperMarioBrosBowser Bowser]] is this in the various {{Role Playing Game}}s (save for the first ''[[VideoGame/PaperMario64 Paper Mario]]'', ''[[VideoGame/PaperMarioStickerStar Sticker Star]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/MarioAndLuigiPaperJam Paper Jam]]''), in which he is always upstaged by the day's BigBad. Often, he is even put into a hero position to stop the villain.
21st Oct '17 11:53:08 AM Makir
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** Despite all of this, she [[spoiler: still manages to be strong enough to act as the TrueFinalBoss of the webcomic, and the last villain to be killed off. She still manages to be a match to three [[PhysicalGod God Tier players]] and a particularly [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking stylish alien vampire.]] ]]
18th Oct '17 12:29:05 PM DragonRanger
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** ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol2'' has two:
*** Taserface believes that Yondu's going too soft and leads a mutiny, taking control of his Ravager crew. But everyone outside the crew laughs in his face because of his chosen alias; and once Yondu snaps out of his HeroicBSOD he, Rocket, and Groot slaughter everyone.
*** Ayesha is queen of an incredibly arrogant race, the Sovereign, and swears vengeance on the Guardians for daring to offend them. The Sovereign forces end up being no more than an annoyance, and the worst that happens is that they end up distracting the Guardians while they're fighting the real villain. As of TheStinger, Ayesha's still at it but even the other Sovereign are getting tired of her wasting resources on the Guardians. She may ascend to true BigBad status in ''Vol. 3'', as she's bioengineering a powerful being called [[spoiler:ComicBook/AdamWarlock]]; but it also has the potential to backfire on her really badly (as in the comics, [[spoiler:Adam Warlock is a powerful ''hero'']]).
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