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26th Jul '17 11:12:24 AM gb00393
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** Cersei Lannister tries to be the political heavyweight of the Lannisters at first while her father is out in the field, seizing the throne from Ned Stark and Robert's brothers on Joffrey's behalf and at Tywin's consent. Joffrey quickly undermines her power by going over her head to execute Ned, and this pisses off Tywin so much that he sidelines her in favor of Tyrion to get things back in order in the capital.
*** In one scene, Cersei complains that if she were a man, she'd have more respect but Tywin point blank tells her that he's not disapproving because she's a woman but because Cersei is nowhere near as clever as she thinks she is.

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** Cersei Lannister tries to be the political heavyweight of the Lannisters at first while her father is out in the field, seizing the throne from Ned Stark and Robert's brothers on Joffrey's behalf and at Tywin's consent. consent, but she only manages this because she is playing the game against the Starks, who are too honorable for their own good. Her plan to be the woman behind the throne fails spectacularly when her crazy son Joffrey quickly undermines her power by going over her head to execute Ned, something she is powerless to stop and this pisses off Tywin so much that he sidelines her in favor of Tyrion Tyrion, who manages to outplan her with ease, to get things back in order in the capital.
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capital. In Season 3, her father is clearly running things despite Cersei outranking him as Queen Regent. In one scene, Cersei complains that if she were a man, she'd have more respect but Tywin point blank tells her that he's not disapproving because she's a woman but because Cersei is nowhere near as clever as she thinks she is. This becomes painfully obvious in Season 5; with Tywin dead and Tyrion on the run, she is now the highest ranking member of her family ruling the capital and she still can't get anything done right. Her attempted manipulation of Tommen is undermined by Margaery and, instead of trying to properly rule the kingdom like her father would have done, she instead spends her time trying to humiliate and undermine Margaery despite there being literally no benefit in doing so. In order to get things done she turns the Sparrows into the Faith Militant and makes them do all of her dirty work which seemingly turns out well for her... until it's revealed that the Faith where merely biding their time until they had enough power to hold her accountable for her own actions. In short, despite trying to set herself up as a {{Chessmaster}} she ultimately gets used as a pawn instead. However, she ditches the "Wannabe" part with a vengeance by burning all of her rivals to death with wildfire in the Season 6 finale and assuming the Iron Throne. With Joffrey and the Boltons dead, this makes her the most powerful and antagonistic of all the human characters and firmly the Big Bad. Played with at the beginning of Season 7, however, as the ramifications of her rash act are made apparent by Jaime: she's alienated almost all of her allies, poses no immediate threat to her enemies, and anyone with half a brain can see Daenerys is favored to win any potential war. When she tries to threaten Jon Snow into submission with a letter, he doesn't take her seriously, since the Night King is a far greater threat.
14th Jul '17 12:24:23 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Once the writers on ''LiveAction/StarTrekVoyager'' gave up trying to make them a legitimate threat, the Kazon became this: a race of PlanetLooters that talked tough, but were little more than a bunch of [[DumbMuscle dimwitted thugs]] so pathetic that even the Borg [[EveryoneHasStandards considered them not worth assimilating.]]

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* Once the writers on ''LiveAction/StarTrekVoyager'' ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' gave up trying to make them a legitimate threat, the Kazon became this: a race of PlanetLooters that talked tough, but were little more than a bunch of [[DumbMuscle dimwitted thugs]] so pathetic that even the Borg [[EveryoneHasStandards considered them not worth assimilating.]]
14th Jul '17 12:16:47 PM MBG
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** It's very heavily implied, as well, that Saruman's development mirrors that of Sauron. Both are {{Fallen Hero}}es, noted for their great power and skill at creation. Both joined the evil side because they wanted to supplant it, but quickly suffered MotiveDecay. Both ended up [[VillainDecay squandering almost all their power]], and by the time of their deaths, they were far reduced from their original stature. The difference is that Sauron went through all this over the course of millennia; Saruman made it only a few decades.
8th Jul '17 7:14:26 AM ZimFan89
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Castlevania}}'' has [[SinisterMinister the Bishop]], the ArcVillain of the first season who takes center stage as antagonist while the real BigBad, Dracula, is a mostly offscreen GreaterScopeVillain. Despite this, he's ultimately taken down very easily [[spoiler: [[BadGuysDoTheDirtyWork by Dracula's minions]] once they find him, shrugging off the idea of God still protecting him, and only bother taking their time killing him because of his direct role in Lisa's death and Dracula's revenge on Wallachia]]. Otherwise, he's not a threat at all. Even his attempt of killing the Speakers falls apart as soon as Trevor reveals to the mob that the Church was the one responsible for the monsters' invasion.
2nd Jul '17 12:52:58 AM MBG
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* Another Batman example is Dr. Hurt and the Black Glove, an evil club of various influential people. They think they're the ultimate villains that not even the great detective Batman can defeat and that they're too powerful and influential to be punished. In reality they're just a bunch of rich pricks who have to hire supervillains to do things for them. They're big EvilPlan concludes with the Batfamily crippling their organization and [[spoiler: the Joker slaughtering them in the most comically undignified manner possible.]]

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* Another Batman ''Franchise/{{Batman}}'' example is Dr. Hurt and the Black Glove, an evil club of various influential people. They think they're the ultimate villains that not even the great detective Batman can defeat and that they're too powerful and influential to be punished. In reality they're just a bunch of rich pricks who have to hire supervillains to do things for them. They're Their big EvilPlan concludes with the Batfamily crippling their organization and [[spoiler: the Joker slaughtering them in the most comically undignified manner possible.]]]] Hurt himself enjoys his {{Hannibal Lecture}}s that he knows Batman perfectly and can destroy him easily, but it just makes it even more obvious when he gets thoroughly OutGambitted. He also tends to vastly underestimate the Joker.
30th Jun '17 2:13:34 PM Megadoomer
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* In ComicBook/DarkReign, Norman himself qualifies. While he's one of the biggest threats to Spider-Man on a personal level, trying to be the BigBad of Marvel's Earth and punching well above his weight class (he forms an organization called the Cabal which includes ComicBook/{{Loki}}, ComicBook/DoctorDoom, and ComicBook/EmmaFrost, among others, and all of them betray him for their own ends) [[VillainousBreakdown causes him to lose what little grip on his sanity he has left]].

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* In ComicBook/DarkReign, ''ComicBook/DarkReign'', Norman Osborn himself qualifies. While he's one of the biggest threats to Spider-Man on a personal level, trying to be the BigBad of Marvel's Earth and punching well above his weight class (he forms an organization called the Cabal which includes ComicBook/{{Loki}}, ComicBook/DoctorDoom, and ComicBook/EmmaFrost, among others, and all of them betray him for their own ends) [[VillainousBreakdown causes him to lose what little grip on his sanity he has left]].
30th Jun '17 2:12:56 PM Megadoomer
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* In ComicBook/DarkReign, Norman himself qualifies. While he's one of the biggest threats to Spider-Man on a personal level, trying to be the BigBad of Marvel's Earth and punching well above his weight class (he forms an organization called the Cabal which includes ComicBook/{{Loki}}, ComicBook/DoctorDoom, and ComicBook/EmmaFrost, among others, and all of them betray him for their own ends) [[VillainousBreakdown causes him to lose what little grip on his sanity he has left]].
27th Jun '17 6:28:06 AM Njein
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** Jimmy Pegorino from ''Videogame/GrandTheftAutoIV'' likes to think of himself as a crafty and respected kingpin (even using a [[TheChessmaster chess]] metaphor at one point). His dream is to muscle his way onto [[TheMafia The Commision]] in Liberty City and put his family on the map, but it's made pretty clear from a ''real'' kingpin that won't ever happen. In reality, Jimmy is boss of a small, amateurish, disloyal crew that only has one competent member. He's no match for [[spoiler: [[BigBad Dmitri]] or Jon [[TheDon Gravelli]]]] in terms of ruthlessness and influence, and his trust in the former [[spoiler: ultimately gets him a bullet in the brain, one way or another]]. Niko lampshades this [[spoiler: just before killing him]], telling him that he heard the ruling ''mafiosi'' of LC refer to him as a "fat fucking joke".

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** Jimmy Pegorino from ''Videogame/GrandTheftAutoIV'' likes to think of himself as a crafty and respected kingpin (even using a [[TheChessmaster chess]] metaphor at one point). His dream is to muscle his way onto [[TheMafia The Commision]] Commission]] in Liberty City and put his family on the map, but it's made pretty clear from a ''real'' kingpin that won't ever happen. In reality, Jimmy is boss of a small, amateurish, disloyal crew that only has one competent member. He's no match for [[spoiler: [[BigBad Dmitri]] or Jon [[TheDon Gravelli]]]] in terms of ruthlessness and influence, and his trust in the former [[spoiler: ultimately gets him a bullet in the brain, one way or another]]. Niko lampshades this [[spoiler: just before killing him]], him, telling him that he heard the ruling ''mafiosi'' of LC refer mockingly referred to him as a "fat fucking joke".joke"]].
16th Jun '17 7:23:11 AM KillerClowns
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* Lord Harkon from ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'' DLC ''Dawnguard''. He is an ancient, cunning vampire with a powerful and awesome OneWingedAngel form and [[spoiler:a plot to plunge the world into endless night so his kind can feed at their leisure]]. Ordinarily, he'd be a legitimate BigBad. It's just that he's up against the Dovahkiin, a warrior whose devours the souls of dragons for power and is fated to defeat [[OmnicidalManiac Alduin, the World Eater]].

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* Lord Harkon from ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'' has two DLC enemies that can't quite keep up with the Dovahkiin.
** Lord Harkon of
''Dawnguard''. He is an ancient, cunning vampire with a powerful and awesome OneWingedAngel form and [[spoiler:a plot to plunge the world into endless night so his kind can feed at their leisure]]. Ordinarily, he'd be a legitimate BigBad. It's just that he's up against the Dovahkiin, a warrior whose devours the souls of dragons for power and is fated to defeat [[OmnicidalManiac Alduin, the World Eater]].Eater]].
** In ''Hearthfre'', Rochelle the Red is an ordinary, mortal bandit of no particularly impressive origin who thinks kidnapping the Dovahkiin's spouse is a good idea. [[TooDumbToLive It is not]].
16th Jun '17 7:12:36 AM KillerClowns
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* Lord Harkon from ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim'' DLC ''Dawnguard''. He is an ancient, cunning vampire with a powerful and awesome OneWingedAngel form and [[spoiler:a plot to plunge the world into endless night so his kind can feed at their leisure]]. Ordinarily, he'd be a legitimate BigBad. It's just that he's up against the Dovahkiin, a warrior whose devours the souls of dragons for power and is fated to defeat [[OmnicidalManiac Alduin, the World Eater]].
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