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25th Aug '16 6:18:30 AM StFan
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->'''Long Feng:''' ...You've beaten me at my own game.
->'''Azula:''' Don't flatter yourself. You were never even a player.

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->'''Long Feng:''' ...You've beaten me at my own game.
->'''Azula:'''
game.\\
'''Azula:'''
Don't flatter yourself. You were never even a player.



* The Shadowmasters, particularly their leader Longshadow, in the middle part of the ''Literature/BlackCompany'' series. Though they certainly do a lot of damage, they just don't stack up compared to [[EvilOverlord the Lady]], [[SealedEvilInACan the Dominator]], or [[QuirkyMinibossSquad the Ten Who Were Taken]] from the first arc, [[GodOfEvil Kina]] from the later books, or even [[WildCard Soulcatcher]], who operates throughout. Longshadow especially proves himself to be an incredibly powerful sorcerer and dangerous opponent, but he's just too erratic and paranoid to put his abilities and resources to their full potential.

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* The Shadowmasters, particularly their leader Longshadow, in the middle part of the ''Literature/BlackCompany'' ''Literature/TheBlackCompany'' series. Though they certainly do a lot of damage, they just don't stack up compared to [[EvilOverlord the Lady]], [[SealedEvilInACan the Dominator]], or [[QuirkyMinibossSquad the Ten Who Were Taken]] from the first arc, [[GodOfEvil Kina]] from the later books, or even [[WildCard Soulcatcher]], who operates throughout. Longshadow especially proves himself to be an incredibly powerful sorcerer and dangerous opponent, but he's just too erratic and paranoid to put his abilities and resources to their full potential.
13th Aug '16 6:06:49 PM infernape612
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** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' has [[SissyVillain Excellus]], who fancies himself TheStarscream to [[TinTyrant Walhart]]. In reality, he did such a bad job of hiding his trecherous nature that Walhart knew all along, and he's promptly sent to the frount lines to die before he has a chance to carry out his plans.

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** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' has [[SissyVillain Excellus]], who fancies himself TheStarscream to [[TinTyrant Walhart]]. In reality, he did such a bad job of hiding his trecherous nature that Walhart knew all along, and he's promptly sent to the frount front lines to die before he has a chance to carry out his plans.



** Linked to Cerberus is Kai Leng, who fashions himself as Shepard's ultimate archenemy and greatest challenger. He's actually nothing more than the Illusive Man's pet assassin who largely ends up being more trouble than he's worth due to his poor impulse control, inability to hold back his bigotry towards aliens, and obsession with Shepard. The former two traits end up robbing Cerberus of a potentially vital ally, as [[spoiler: he ends up murdering an Asari who turns out to be the daughter of ''[[TheDon Aria]] [[TheDreaded T'Loak]]'', one of the most influential and powerful gangsters in the galaxy.]] The only battles we see him win decisively are against enemies who are already weakened ([[spoiler: Thane and possibly Miranda]]) or didn't the chance to fight back ([[spoiler: Captain Kirrahe]]). When Shepard finally confronts him [[spoiler: he gets beaten like a chump and is pathetically stabbed and killed while making a final effort to kill Shepard.]]

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** Linked to Cerberus is Kai Leng, who fashions himself as Shepard's ultimate archenemy and greatest challenger. He's actually nothing more than the Illusive Man's pet assassin who largely ends up being more trouble than he's worth due to his poor impulse control, inability to hold back his bigotry towards aliens, and obsession with Shepard. The former two traits end up robbing Cerberus of a potentially vital ally, as [[spoiler: he ends up murdering an Asari who turns out to be the daughter of ''[[TheDon Aria]] [[TheDreaded T'Loak]]'', one of the most influential and powerful gangsters in the galaxy.]] The only battles we see him win decisively are against enemies who are already weakened ([[spoiler: Thane ([[spoiler:Thane and possibly Miranda]]) or didn't the chance to fight back ([[spoiler: Captain ([[spoiler:Captain Kirrahe]]). When Shepard finally confronts him [[spoiler: he [[spoiler:he gets beaten like a chump and is pathetically stabbed and killed while making a final effort to kill Shepard.]]
10th Aug '16 10:19:56 AM AnonFangeekGirl
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* There's a comedic example in 'Darth Wannabe' from the Literature/DresdenFiles short story ''Day Off''. A van painted with inverted crosses and other such symbols shows up in front of Harry's house, and the people inside tell Harry that he's earned their wrath by getting rid of a curse they'd put on an old lady. Harry is surprised that there was a curse at all- it was so weak that he didn't even notice it, and just did the exorcism to make her feel better. He then pulls a gun on them. They scatter pretty quickly.
4th Aug '16 9:20:10 AM ZimFan89
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** Several episodes of Season 10 set up the Styne family as a new major, recurring threat, being an AncientConspiracy of {{Serial Killer}}s and {{Mad Scientist}}s who have been [[BeenThereShapedHistory manipulating world events to their benefit]] for centuries, and even manage to [[spoiler: kill recurring ally Charlie]]. Unfortunately for them, that last action [[UnstoppableRage pisses off Dean]], who is under [[TheCorruption the influence of the Mark of Cain]] at the time, and he proceeds to [[CurbStompBattle slaughter them all]].
26th Jul '16 2:18:32 PM AnonFangeekGirl
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* Several examples in ''Literature/CodexAlera'', considering the BigBadEnsemble and GambitPileup the series has going on. [[EvilSorcerer Sarl]] is probably the most obvious, going from a supporting villain in the second book to the main bad guy in the third and screwing things up a ''lot'' before getting undone by his own hubris and inability to control his own followers. High Lord Kalarus does better, effectively holding the title of BigBad for the middle three books (of six), but he still goes down hard just before the [[HiveQueen real Big Bad]] reveals herself.

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* Several examples in ''Literature/CodexAlera'', considering the BigBadEnsemble and GambitPileup the series has going on. [[EvilSorcerer Sarl]] is probably the most obvious, going from a supporting villain in the second book to the main bad guy in the third and screwing things up a ''lot'' before getting undone by his own hubris and inability to control his own followers. High Lord Kalarus does better, effectively holding the title of BigBad for the middle three two books (of six), but he still goes down hard just before the [[HiveQueen real Big Bad]] reveals herself.
16th Jul '16 4:50:30 PM Vir
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* Ludo from ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil''. He's completely incompetent as a villain, never showing to possess any magical abilities of his own and [[NeverMyFault frequently blaming his failures on his minions]]. In the case of the latter, he at one point punishes them for something that was clearly his fault, which is what leads to [[TheStarscream Toffee]] convincing most of his minions to turn on him. He then [[TookALevelInBadass takes a level in badass]] in season 2.

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* Ludo from ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil''.''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil'' is initially this. He's completely incompetent as a villain, never showing to possess any magical abilities of his own and [[NeverMyFault frequently blaming his failures on his minions]]. In the case of the latter, he at one point punishes them for something that was clearly his fault, which is what leads to [[TheStarscream Toffee]] convincing most of his minions to turn on him. He then [[TookALevelInBadass takes a level in badass]] in season 2.
16th Jul '16 4:50:19 PM Vir
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* Ludo from ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil''. He's completely incompetent as a villain, never showing to possess any magical abilities of his own and [[NeverMyFault frequently blaming his failures on his minions]]. In the case of the latter, he at one point punishes them for something that was clearly his fault, which is what leads to [[TheStarscream Toffee]] convincing most of his minions to turn on him. However, he appears to have TookALevelInBadass in season 2.

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* Ludo from ''WesternAnimation/StarVsTheForcesOfEvil''. He's completely incompetent as a villain, never showing to possess any magical abilities of his own and [[NeverMyFault frequently blaming his failures on his minions]]. In the case of the latter, he at one point punishes them for something that was clearly his fault, which is what leads to [[TheStarscream Toffee]] convincing most of his minions to turn on him. However, he appears to have TookALevelInBadass He then [[TookALevelInBadass takes a level in badass]] in season 2.
16th Jul '16 3:42:08 PM Godzillawolf
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** In spite of his dark magic powers, Babidi is really no match for any of the Z Fighters and is completely reliant on the likes of [[DragonInChief Dabura and Majin Buu]] to do all the fighting for him.

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** In spite of his dark magic powers, Babidi is really no match for any of the Z Fighters and is completely reliant on the likes of [[DragonInChief Dabura and Majin Buu]] to do all the fighting for him. His [[BadFuture counterpart in Future Trunk's timeline]] was no better, as even though Dabura was a much larger threat to Trunks than he was to the Saiyans of the main timeline, Trunks ultimately killed them both before they could successfully resurrect Majin Buu.
7th Jul '16 6:38:38 AM MinisterOfSinister
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->'''Long Feng:'''...You've beaten me at my own game.

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->'''Long Feng:'''...Feng:''' ...You've beaten me at my own game.



There are also many ways of revealing the villain is an over-inflated threat. A school bully might run from a real fight. In the second example WorfHadTheFlu -- an unfair circumstance gave the villain his early victory. Sometimes it's just a matter of scale; the heroes catch a murderer, but he's just a copycat, not the ''real'' mastermind serial killer he was thought to be. Alternatively the real Big Bad might [[OutGambitted outdo the wannabe]] or even kill the wannabe. Those that fall under this trope are also extremely vulnerable to the WannabeDiss, both from actual {{Big Bad}}s and their enemies.

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There are also many ways of revealing the villain is an over-inflated threat. A school bully might run from a real fight. In the second example WorfHadTheFlu -- an unfair circumstance gave the villain his early victory. Sometimes it's just a matter of scale; the heroes catch a murderer, but he's just a copycat, not the ''real'' mastermind serial killer he was thought to be. Alternatively the real Big Bad might [[OutGambitted outdo the wannabe]] or even kill the wannabe. Those that fall under this trope are also extremely vulnerable to the WannabeDiss, PretenderDiss, both from actual {{Big Bad}}s and their enemies.
3rd Jul '16 12:32:07 PM Selina57
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* Black Mask in "WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood". He's actually pretty competent but becomes the UnwittingPawn in Red Hood's scheme to get hold of [[AxCrazy The Joker]] and [[spoiler: try to force Batman [[SadisticChoice to kill the Joker]].]] Worse, when Black Mask frees the Joker (under duress), [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder the Joker]] has Black Mask and [[TheDragon Ms. Li]] BoundandGagged]]!

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* Black Mask in "WesternAnimation/BatmanUnderTheRedHood". He's actually pretty competent but becomes the UnwittingPawn in Red Hood's scheme to get hold of [[AxCrazy The Joker]] and [[spoiler: try to force Batman [[SadisticChoice to kill the Joker]].]] Worse, when Black Mask frees the Joker (under duress), [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder the Joker]] has Black Mask and [[TheDragon Ms. Li]] BoundandGagged]]!BoundandGagged!
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