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* An ad for a cell phone company that depicted James Earl Jones asking, "Talk talk talk pay, or pay talk talk talk?" He never explained why you would prefer the latter.
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* The album ''Music/PacManFever'' was released on this principle. After Buckner & Garcia's "Pac-Man Fever" single became a hit, they signed a record deal with Columbia/CBS Records, who insisted insisted on a full album of video-game songs.
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* The album ''Music/PacManFever'' ''Music/PacmanFever'' was released on this principle. After Buckner & Garcia's "Pac-Man Fever" single became a hit, they signed a record deal with Columbia/CBS Records, who insisted insisted on a full album of video-game songs.
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* The Internet meme [[CaptainObvious "IT'S THE CURRENT YEAR"]] mocks a variation of this fallacy in which the year is cited as an argument in favor of a newer position, e.g. "we must support X because it's [current year]". Obviously, if X is a good position, it should be supported because of its merit, not because a certain year has been arrived at. This variation was parodied as long ago as the 1959 Disney film ''Disney/SleepingBeauty'', in which "after all, this ''is'' the 14th century" was used as an argument for being more open-minded.
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** Something similar happened with ''Pinball/FlipperFootball'' and its attempt to realistically portray soccer in a pinball game.
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* CSLewis's formulation of this fallacy -- the aforementioned "chronological snobbery" -- dealt primarily with ValuesDissonance, culture, and science. It goes like this: ''1)'' It is argued that A. ''2)'' A is an old argument, dating back to the times when people also believed B. ''3)'' B is clearly false. ''4)'' Therefore, A is false. Lewis notes how this leads to the names of time periods being used as negative slurs (e.g. "medieval" as an adjective referring to superstition and savagery) and to ArtisticLicenseHistory for the sake of propping up the supposed inherent superiority of the modern day (e.g. claiming that all the "good" things and ideas of the present did not exist in any way, shape, or form until the past 100 years or less).
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* CSLewis's Creator/CSLewis's formulation of this fallacy -- the aforementioned "chronological snobbery" -- dealt primarily with ValuesDissonance, culture, and science. It goes like this: ''1)'' It is argued that A. ''2)'' A is an old argument, dating back to the times when people also believed B. ''3)'' B is clearly false. ''4)'' Therefore, A is false. Lewis notes how this leads to the names of time periods being used as negative slurs (e.g. "medieval" as an adjective referring to superstition and savagery) and to ArtisticLicenseHistory for the sake of propping up the supposed inherent superiority of the modern day (e.g. claiming that all the "good" things and ideas of the present did not exist in any way, shape, or form until the past 100 years or less).
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->'''Leonard:''' I guess it couldn't kill us to meet some new people.
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* British Television Quiz ''{{QI}}'' is extremely guilty of this trope. The entire premise of the show is turning "popular" knowledge on its head or proving old preconceptions wrong. As a result, lots of people believe the alternative, not for the inherent value of the statement, but because it's different..
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* When a {{Documentary}} (usually a DocumentaryOfLies) wants to portray a position as outdated, it's common to show old StockFootage of that position being promoted. This may be anything from a newsreel to a 1950s educational film and it may be in black and white or washed-out color, but the important thing is that the footage is clearly old enough to be wrong now!
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* In the ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' books, there is an ongoing debate between two strategic and technological schools of thought, one of which is the ''[[EverythingSoundsSexierInFrench Jeune Ecole]]''. In the early books, they are portrayed as StrawmanPolitical characters whose ideas are AwesomeButImpractical at best. In later books, their ideas begin to bear fruit, leading to GameBreaker weapons systems such as the [[LightningBruiser Super LACs.]]
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* In the ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' books, there is an ongoing debate between two strategic and technological schools of thought, one of which is the ''[[EverythingSoundsSexierInFrench Jeune Ecole]]''. In Ecole]]'', the early books, they are portrayed as StrawmanPolitical characters whose other being the Historical School. The ''jeune ecole'' believe that tactics and strategy have stagnated over time, so new military technologies need to be developed in order to break the stalemate. The historical school believe that any new technology should fit within established paradigms in order to be effective, and criticize the ''jeune ecole'' for supporting new ideas are simple because they '''are''' new. Series protagonist Honor Harrington is a self-professed member of the historical school and regards the ''jeune ecole'''s ideas as AwesomeButImpractical at best. In best, but in the later books, books their ideas begin to bear fruit, leading to GameBreaker weapons systems such as fruit after the [[LightningBruiser Super LACs.]]
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[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_novelty Appeal To Novelty]] is a logical fallacy where someone claims that a proposal, idea, work, or trend is better or more accurate than what came before, ''solely'' because it is newer or more recent.
This argument is often made with regard to technology, where it is often supposed that anything "high tech" is automatically better than anything "low tech." However, technology is all about fulfiling requirements, not just improvement for the sake of improvement -- while a modern tank is faster and has a much more powerful gun than a World War 1 tank, it has inferior obstacle crossing abilities because its design represents a trade-off between visibility and obstacle crossing, and therefore claiming the modern tank is "better" is subject to conditions.
This fallacy is the polar opposite of AppealToTradition; Creator/CSLewis called this fallacy chronological snobbery. [[GoodIsOldFashioned Calling goodness "old-fashioned"]] is an insult because of this trope. It is also known as "Appeal to Youth" or "Chronological Snobbery."
In some forms of media, Appeal To Novelty occurs when a new work includes an original feature solely in an attempt to attract an audience by appealing to their curiosity. Note that in this use, appealing to novelty is ''not'' inherently "right" or "wrong;" the novelty might end up actually attracting an audience, [[FollowTheLeader drawing lots of imitators]] in the process, eventually resulting in the original being VindicatedByHistory.
This argument is often made with regard to technology, where it is often supposed that anything "high tech" is automatically better than anything "low tech." However, technology is all about fulfiling requirements, not just improvement for the sake of improvement -- while a modern tank is faster and has a much more powerful gun than a World War 1 tank, it has inferior obstacle crossing abilities because its design represents a trade-off between visibility and obstacle crossing, and therefore claiming the modern tank is "better" is subject to conditions.
This fallacy is the polar opposite of AppealToTradition; Creator/CSLewis called this fallacy chronological snobbery. [[GoodIsOldFashioned Calling goodness "old-fashioned"]] is an insult because of this trope. It is also known as "Appeal to Youth" or "Chronological Snobbery."
In some forms of media, Appeal To Novelty occurs when a new work includes an original feature solely in an attempt to attract an audience by appealing to their curiosity. Note that in this use, appealing to novelty is ''not'' inherently "right" or "wrong;" the novelty might end up actually attracting an audience, [[FollowTheLeader drawing lots of imitators]] in the process, eventually resulting in the original being VindicatedByHistory.
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[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_novelty Appeal To to Novelty]] is a logical fallacy where someone claims that a proposal, idea, work, or trend is better or more accurate than what came before, ''solely'' because it is newer or more recent.
This argument is often made with regard to technology, where it is often supposed that anything "high tech" is automatically better than anything "low tech." However, technology is all about fulfiling requirements, not just improvement for the sake of improvement -- while a modern tank is faster and has a much more powerful gun than aWorld War 1 UsefulNotes/WorldWarI tank, it has inferior obstacle crossing abilities because its design represents a trade-off between visibility and obstacle crossing, and therefore claiming the modern tank is "better" is subject to conditions.
This fallacy is the polar opposite of AppealToTradition; Creator/CSLewis called this fallacy chronological snobbery. [[GoodIsOldFashioned Calling goodness "old-fashioned"]] is an insult because of this trope. It is also known as "Appeal toYouth" or "Chronological Snobbery.Youth."
In some forms of media, AppealTo to Novelty occurs when a new work includes an original feature solely in an attempt to attract an audience by appealing to their curiosity. Note that in this use, appealing to novelty is ''not'' inherently "right" or "wrong;" the novelty might end up actually attracting an audience, [[FollowTheLeader drawing lots of imitators]] in the process, eventually resulting in the original being VindicatedByHistory.
This argument is often made with regard to technology, where it is often supposed that anything "high tech" is automatically better than anything "low tech." However, technology is all about fulfiling requirements, not just improvement for the sake of improvement -- while a modern tank is faster and has a much more powerful gun than a
This fallacy is the polar opposite of AppealToTradition; Creator/CSLewis called this fallacy chronological snobbery. [[GoodIsOldFashioned Calling goodness "old-fashioned"]] is an insult because of this trope. It is also known as "Appeal to
In some forms of media, Appeal
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* In the ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' books, there is an ongoing debate between two strategic and technological schools of thought, one of which is the ''[[EverythingSoundsSexierInFrench Jeuene Jeune Ecole]]''. In the early books, they are portrayed as StrawmanPolitical characters whose ideas are AwesomeButImpractical at best. In later books, their ideas begin to bear fruit, leading to GameBreaker weapons systems such as the [[LightningBruiser Super LACs.]]
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* When a {{Documentary}} (usually a DocumentaryOfLies) wants to portray a position as outdated, it's common to show old StockFootage of that position being promoted. This may be anything from a newsreel to a 1950s educational film and it may be in black and white or washed-out color, but the important thing is that the footage is clearly old enough to be wrong now!
* When a {{Documentary}} (usually a DocumentaryOfLies) wants to portray a position as outdated, it's common to show old StockFootage of that position being promoted. This may be anything from a newsreel to a 1950s educational film and it may be in black and white or washed-out color, but the important thing is that the footage is clearly old enough to be wrong now!
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* This fallacy, as an argument entirely in itself, tends to be the main battle cry of, or rationalisation for [[{{Transhuman}} Transhumanism]], not far behind ForScience.
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In many works, Appeal To Novelty often occurs when a new work includes an original feature solely in an attempt to attract an audience by appealing to their curiosity. Note that in this use, appealing to novelty is ''not'' inherently "right" or "wrong;" the novelty might end up actually attracting an audience, [[FollowTheLeader drawing lots of imitators]] in the process, eventually resulting in the original being VindicatedByHistory.
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In many works, some forms of media, Appeal To Novelty often occurs when a new work includes an original feature solely in an attempt to attract an audience by appealing to their curiosity. Note that in this use, appealing to novelty is ''not'' inherently "right" or "wrong;" the novelty might end up actually attracting an audience, [[FollowTheLeader drawing lots of imitators]] in the process, eventually resulting in the original being VindicatedByHistory.
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* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronological_snobbery Chronological Snobbery]]
:: Arguing that one thing is automatically better in every way than another because it is newer. See NewAndImproved. This argument is often made with regard to technology, where it is often supposed that anything "high tech" is automatically better than anything "low tech." Technology is all about fulfiling requirements, however, not just about cross-board improvement; for example, while a modern tank is faster and has a much more powerful gun than a World War 1 tank, it has inferior obstacle crossing abilities because its design represents a trade-off between visibility and obstacle crossing. Creator/CSLewis called this fallacy chronological snobbery. [[GoodIsOldFashioned Calling goodness old-fashioned]] is an insult because of this trope.
:: This fallacy is the polar opposite of AppealToTradition.
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!!! Also called
* Appeal to Youth.
* [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronological_snobbery Chronological Snobbery]]
:: Arguing that one thing is automatically better in every way than another because it is newer. See NewAndImproved. This argument is often made with regard to technology, where it is often supposed that anything "high tech" is automatically better than anything "low tech." Technology is all about fulfiling requirements, however, not just about cross-board improvement; for example, while a modern tank is faster and has a much more powerful gun than a World War 1 tank, it has inferior obstacle crossing abilities because its design represents a trade-off between visibility and obstacle crossing. Creator/CSLewis called this fallacy chronological snobbery. [[GoodIsOldFashioned Calling goodness old-fashioned]] is an insult because of this trope.
:: This fallacy is the polar opposite of AppealToTradition.
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This argument is often made with regard to technology, where it is often supposed that anything "high tech" is automatically better than anything "low tech.
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:: This fallacy
In many works, Appeal To Novelty often occurs when a new work includes an original feature solely in an attempt to attract an audience by appealing to their curiosity. Note that in this use, appealing to novelty is ''not'' inherently "right" or "wrong;" the
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* Creator/{{Atari}}'s ''Pinball/{{Hercules}}'' was sold on the basis of being the largest [[PhysicalPinballTable pinball machine]] ever made. However, the game itself was uninteresting to players -- spitting in the face of Galileo, a bigger ball turned out to be a slower ball -- and a constant maintenance hassle for owners, and it is now remembered only for its novelty.
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* Creator/{{Atari}}'s ''Pinball/{{Hercules}}'' was sold on the basis of being the largest [[PhysicalPinballTable pinball machine]] ever made. However, the game itself was uninteresting to players -- spitting in the face of Galileo, a bigger ball turned out to be a much slower ball ball, not helped by the field's simple layout -- and a constant maintenance hassle for owners, and it is now remembered only for its novelty.
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* Creator/{{Atari}}'s ''Pinball/{{Hercules}}'' was sold on the basis of being the largest [[PhysicalPinballTable pinball machine]] ever made. However, the game itself was uninteresting to players and a constant maintenance hassle for owners, and it is now remembered only for its novelty.
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* Creator/{{Atari}}'s ''Pinball/{{Hercules}}'' was sold on the basis of being the largest [[PhysicalPinballTable pinball machine]] ever made. However, the game itself was uninteresting to players -- spitting in the face of Galileo, a bigger ball turned out to be a slower ball -- and a constant maintenance hassle for owners, and it is now remembered only for its novelty.
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* Whenever a new iteration of an electronic device comes out, be it cell phone, media player, gaming console, TV or whatever, you're guaranteed at least one company or line talking about the "new technical innovations" of their product; they of course conveniently don't point out that either those "innovations" have been standard for everyone ''but'' them for several years, or that the changes have little or nothing to do with the effectiveness of the product (i.e. a "new and improved grip" for a product that has to be set down to be used.)
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* Whenever a new iteration of an electronic device comes out, be it cell phone, media player, gaming console, TV or whatever, you're guaranteed at least one company or line talking about the "new technical innovations" of their product; they of course conveniently don't point out that either those "innovations" have been standard for everyone ''but'' them for several years, or that the changes have little or nothing to do with the effectiveness of the product (i.e. (for instance, a "new and improved grip" for a product that has to be set down to be used.)
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** Something similar happened with ''Pinball/FlipperFootball''.
* This was also the case for ''Pinball/{{Apollo 13}}'' and its ''13-ball'' multiball.
* ''Pinball/{{Viper}}''[='=]s Roto-Shooter.
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''Pinball/FlipperFootball'' and its attempt to realistically portray soccer in a pinball game.
* This was also the case for ''Pinball/{{Apollo 13}}'' and its''13-ball'' '''13-ball''' multiball.
* ''Pinball/{{Viper}}''[='=]sRoto-Shooter.remembered for two things: its rotating Roto-Shooter and the naked {{Fembot}} on the backglass.
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:: Arguing that one thing is automatically better in every way than another because it is newer. See NewAndImproved. This argument is often made with regard to technology, where it is often supposed that anything "high tech" is automatically better than anything "low tech." Technology is all about fulfiling requirements, however, not just about cross-board improvement; for example, while a modern tank is faster and has a much more powerful gun than a World War 1 tank, it has inferior obstacle crossing abilities because its design represents a trade-off between visibility and obstacle crossing. Creator/CSLewis called this fallacy chronological snobbery.
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:: Arguing that one thing is automatically better in every way than another because it is newer. See NewAndImproved. This argument is often made with regard to technology, where it is often supposed that anything "high tech" is automatically better than anything "low tech." Technology is all about fulfiling requirements, however, not just about cross-board improvement; for example, while a modern tank is faster and has a much more powerful gun than a World War 1 tank, it has inferior obstacle crossing abilities because its design represents a trade-off between visibility and obstacle crossing. Creator/CSLewis called this fallacy chronological snobbery.
snobbery. [[GoodIsOldFashioned Calling goodness old-fashioned]] is an insult because of this trope.
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* Creator/Bally's ''Pinball/{{Spectrum}}'' is {{Pinball}} + ''TabletopGame/{{Mastermind}}''.
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* The UNIX operating system tends to be a target of this fallacy; in that it is derided on the basis of its age. Not so much Linux, but the BSDs will have this fallacy thrown at them, from time to time.
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* The UNIX operating system tends to be a target of this fallacy; in that it is derided on the basis of its age. Not so much Linux, but the BSDs [=BSDs=] will have this fallacy thrown at them, from time to time.
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* The UNIX operating system tends to be a target of this fallacy; in that it is derided on the basis of its' its age. Not so much Linux, but the BSDs will have this fallacy thrown at them, from time to time.
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* ''Pinball/{{Varkon}}'', Creator/WilliamsElectronics' attempt to disguise a pinball machine as an arcade video game.
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* ''Pinball/{{Orbitor 1}}'' was designed entirely around its warped transparent table, which gave the effect of pinballs orbiting playfield obstacles superimposed on a lunar landscape. Unfortunately, the novelty of trying to aim shots on an uneven surface didn't entice players as hoped...
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* {{Atari}}'s ''Pinball/{{Hercules}}'' was sold on the basis of being the largest [[PhysicalPinballTable pinball machine]] ever made. However, the game itself was uninteresting to players and a constant maintenance hassle for owners, and it is now remembered only for its novelty.
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* {{Atari}}'s Creator/{{Atari}}'s ''Pinball/{{Hercules}}'' was sold on the basis of being the largest [[PhysicalPinballTable pinball machine]] ever made. However, the game itself was uninteresting to players and a constant maintenance hassle for owners, and it is now remembered only for its novelty.
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* ''Pinball/JamesBond007'' was marketed through its [[TimedMission time-based gameplay]], though this is ''also'' what led to its downfall.
* This was also the case for ''Pinball/{{Apollo 13}}'' and its ''13-ball'' multiball.
* ''Pinball/{{Viper}}''[='=]s Roto-Shooter.
* WordOfGod is that ''Pinball/{{Xenon}}'' was originally intended as a single-ball game centered on the plastic transport tube. Bally management decided to add a female voice after Williams' ''Pinball/{{Gorgar}}'' and Stern's ''Pinball/{{Flight 2000}}'' arrived with simple MachineMonotone voices.
** Also, the two-ball multiball was added in a day after management later heard that another pinball was about to be released with multiball play.
* This was also the case for ''Pinball/{{Apollo 13}}'' and its ''13-ball'' multiball.
* ''Pinball/{{Viper}}''[='=]s Roto-Shooter.
* WordOfGod is that ''Pinball/{{Xenon}}'' was originally intended as a single-ball game centered on the plastic transport tube. Bally management decided to add a female voice after Williams' ''Pinball/{{Gorgar}}'' and Stern's ''Pinball/{{Flight 2000}}'' arrived with simple MachineMonotone voices.
** Also, the two-ball multiball was added in a day after management later heard that another pinball was about to be released with multiball play.