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16th Apr '16 7:34:33 AM Morgenthaler
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*** FridgeBrilliance here: if your afterlife is based on your beliefs, then Christianity IS true... along with every major and minor religion, cult, credence, for their respective believers.



*** During ComicBook/BrightestDay, ComicBook/LexLuthor asked Death why she did not interfere during ComicBook/BlackestNight. She answers that the ZombieApocalypse did not really interest her.

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*** ** During ComicBook/BrightestDay, ComicBook/LexLuthor asked Death why she did not interfere during ComicBook/BlackestNight. She answers that the ZombieApocalypse did not really interest her.



*** This gets worse. During ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' (and on sporadic occasions thereafter) a large number of Earth's heroes were actually ''present at Creation,'' and ''saw'' a great big hand creating the universe. Heck, [[Comicbook/GreenLantern the Guardians of the Universe]] ''have it on tape.'' Whether the universe was created by an intelligent being simply shouldn't be in question.
*** That proves little to nothing, giving that any mortal can go AGodAmI once in a while... Hell, even [[Comicbook/GreenLantern Hal Jordan/Parallax]] recreated the Universe once, and he was just a human. Therefore there is very little to ''revere'' even if you believe.



* Creator/RogerEbert got into an amusing rant about the film ''Over Her Dead Body'' and the fact that no one seemed to consider the staggering theological implications a real live ghost (or should that be a real dead ghost) would mean.
** He had similar issues with ''[[Film/JackFrost1998 Jack Frost]]'', wherein Creator/MichaelKeaton dies and is [[{{Reincarnation}} reincarnated]] as [[AnIcePerson a snowman]] to [[MundaneUtility help his son fight bullies.]] People can be reincarnated? As ''inanimate objects''??? Oh, don't bother elaborating on that. Back to the snowball fight.
* IndianaJones has been presented with absolute incontrovertible proof of the truth of the Old Testament and the New Testament (and arguably the Bhagavad Gita). This seems to have had absolutely no effect on his lifestyle, career or (dis)belief in the supernatural.
** Dr. Jones doesn't disbelieve in the supernatural, he just wouldn't be accepting each cheap explanation at face value, because c'mon, he is an archaeologist, and if he goes around accepting that each of world's marvels has been constructed by a god/alien/mage/ etc, he could just make short of it and retire.

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* Creator/RogerEbert got into an amusing rant about the film ''Over Her Dead Body'' and the fact that no one seemed to consider the staggering theological implications a real live ghost (or should that be a real dead ghost) would mean.
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mean. He had similar issues with ''[[Film/JackFrost1998 Jack Frost]]'', wherein Creator/MichaelKeaton dies and is [[{{Reincarnation}} reincarnated]] as [[AnIcePerson a snowman]] to [[MundaneUtility help his son fight bullies.]] People can be reincarnated? As ''inanimate objects''??? Oh, don't bother elaborating on that. Back to the snowball fight.
* IndianaJones ''Franchise/IndianaJones'': Indiana has been presented with absolute incontrovertible proof of the truth of the Old Testament and the New Testament (and arguably the Bhagavad Gita). This seems to have had absolutely no effect on his lifestyle, career or (dis)belief in the supernatural.
** Dr. Jones doesn't disbelieve in the supernatural, he just wouldn't be accepting each cheap explanation at face value, because c'mon, he is an archaeologist, and if he goes around accepting that each of world's marvels has been constructed by a god/alien/mage/ etc, he could just make short of it and retire.
supernatural.



** When they do, though, God tends to be a little evasive, so they might just figure that it's pointless to try.



** Of course, it's also stated that he was viciously attacked, beaten, left on the floor like trash, and watched as another man was ''also'' brutally beaten, then drugged and dragged off for trying to defend him. Then his fiance came back, freaked out, and changed into a wolf -- something that is considered in-universe to be ''extreme'' BodyHorror. When Elena presses him for the truth, he snaps at her, and it's made clear that he ''did'' see everything; he's just dealing with it by telling himself it wasn't real.



* In ''Series/DoctorWho,'' various companions fail to question changing history, whereas some address the problems from the start (Barbara Wright). "Why do we need to save history? I come from the present, so I know history went right," or "If you can't change history, why could you save me? I'm history to you!"

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* In ''Series/DoctorWho,'' various ''Series/DoctorWho'':
** Various
companions fail to question changing history, whereas some address the problems from the start (Barbara Wright). "Why do we need to save history? I come from the present, so I know history went right," or "If you can't change history, why could you save me? I'm history to you!"



* In ''TheLostRoom,'' a character gets a key that takes him into a hotel room that exists outside time and space. Walking out of the room takes you to any place in the world with a door. Why, why, '''why''' didn't he start experimenting with things like climbing out the window to see what happens? This is especially glaring considering that other characters do things like put things in the room, then close and open the door (making them disappear) and check if the room has electricity and running water (it does).
** A room that can eat things (such as the protagonist's daughter) is not something you want to poke at quite so much.

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* In ''TheLostRoom,'' ''Series/TheLostRoom,'' a character gets a key that takes him into a hotel room that exists outside time and space. Walking out of the room takes you to any place in the world with a door. Why, why, '''why''' didn't he start experimenting with things like climbing out the window to see what happens? This is especially glaring considering that other characters do things like put things in the room, then close and open the door (making them disappear) and check if the room has electricity and running water (it does).
** A room that can eat things (such as the protagonist's daughter) is not something you want to poke at quite so much.
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** Well yeah; in a setting where "Thought begets Heresy, Heresy begets Retribution" and "Blessed is the mind too small for doubt" it's probably best not to ask a lot of questions.
*** "An Open mind is a like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded." When anything from a book to ''ink'' can lead to an EldritchAbomination showing up, people quickly learn to stop asking.
*** And one of the creeds of the Officio Assassinorum: "Ask not for whom they seek, lest it be thyself."
*** "Knowledge is Power. Do not waste it on the masses."
*** Those that do question are often... unstable. "There is music at the limits of my hearing. There are daemons at the edge of my vision. There are ghosts in the machine."



*** Seeing how none of the other characters seem to mind it might also be that Gordon does speak, but the devs left what he said to the players imagination for immersion purposes.
*** It's worth mentioning that his lack of speech has been [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] at least once.
* In ''SilentHill2'', when James sees his first monster, he promptly whacks it with a board and wonders briefly what it is. After that, he never questions anything else about the decidedly messed up town he's in. [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] because he's ''completely nuts''.
** Henry of ''SilentHill4'' suffers from the same lack of reflection on the circumstances he's facing. Could be justified in that he's been through extended isolation, sleep deprivation and malnourishment to the point that he could be prone to and apathetic to hallucination, but this is simply a projection of conditions only alluded to in the beginning, and never touched on through the story. Heck, the first person he runs into, a woman named Vasquez(?), assumes it's all a weird dream and comes on to Henry. Most of the other people who end up in the [[DarkWorld Other Side]] have similar confused and muted reactions, if at all, as the crack head doesn't seem to even see the monsters.
*** The ''LetsPlay'' of [[http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/Silent%20Hill%204/ this Silent Hill]] has a hilarious take on the whole issue.
** Subverted in ''SilentHill3''. Like those before her, Heather assumes the monsters to be either demons or illusions, only to be rebuffed with the famous line: ''"Monsters? They look like monsters to you?"'' [[spoiler: Of course, Vincent is a ManipulativeBastard of a psychiatrist/cult leader, so he may just be trying to mess with her.]]

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*** Seeing how none of the other characters seem to mind it might also be that Gordon does speak, but the devs left what he said to the players imagination for immersion purposes.
*** It's worth mentioning that his lack of speech has been [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] at least once.
* In ''SilentHill2'', ''VideoGame/SilentHill2'', when James sees his first monster, he promptly whacks it with a board and wonders briefly what it is. After that, he never questions anything else about the decidedly messed up town he's in. [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] because he's ''completely nuts''.
** * Henry of ''SilentHill4'' ''VideoGame/SilentHill4'' suffers from the same lack of reflection on the circumstances he's facing. Could be justified in that he's been through extended isolation, sleep deprivation and malnourishment to the point that he could be prone to and apathetic to hallucination, but this is simply a projection of conditions only alluded to in the beginning, and never touched on through the story. Heck, the first person he runs into, a woman named Vasquez(?), assumes it's all a weird dream and comes on to Henry. Most of the other people who end up in the [[DarkWorld Other Side]] have similar confused and muted reactions, if at all, as the crack head doesn't seem to even see the monsters.
*** The ''LetsPlay'' of [[http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/Silent%20Hill%204/ this Silent Hill]] has a hilarious take on the whole issue.
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* Subverted in ''SilentHill3''.''VideoGame/SilentHill3''. Like those before her, Heather assumes the monsters to be either demons or illusions, only to be rebuffed with the famous line: ''"Monsters? They look like monsters to you?"'' [[spoiler: Of course, Vincent is a ManipulativeBastard of a psychiatrist/cult leader, so he may just be trying to mess with her.]]



** It also serves as an excellent example of why this trope exists, since most players found Tidus' constant questions to be incredibly annoying.



** [[OurAngelsAreDifferent Considering the angels they've met]], they are probably [[JustifiedTrope just trying their hardest not to think about it]].
*** The [[FourthWallMailSlot Ask Ash section responses]] seem to indicate they've asked Rumi about it offscreen. Being [[TheStoner Rumi]], he's not always much help.
** Also, let's think here- which is more important to you, the CelestialBureaucracy you have no way of accessing, or the fact that one of you [[GenderBender really shouldn't be a girl]] and the other is missing the most important two years of her high school career.
14th Apr '16 8:33:23 AM Morgenthaler
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** The movie does address this by saying that the man who killed Fox's father and scarred her was on the loom's hit list and wasn't killed. The loom apparently also realized that [[spoiler:Morgan Freeman's character was putting "innocent" names on the list to use the Brotherhood as hired assassins, and puts all of the Brotherhood's names on the list]]. So it apparently ''is'' magical and sentient. Which makes one wonder why [[spoiler: it deemed them ''all'' guilty when it was just one man manipulating them and Fox was so astoundingly loyal to it she put a (single) bullet through ''all'' of their heads?]] The whole mess is really one of those things [[BellisariosMaxim you shouldn't think of too hard]], considering the quality of the rest of the movie.
*** Perhaps the loom decided that the Order should no longer exist because [[spoiler:it was too powerful and too easily misused]].
** This is not just binary, but ASCII: At the middle of the movie, when Sloan shows the loom and then his first contract to Wesley, we can read part of the target's name, that is [...] R (01010010 = 82), T (01010100 = 84), D (01000100 = 68), E (01000101 = 69), A (01000001 = 65), N (01001110 = 78), etc.. The fact this encoding was used by medieval monks centuries before its standardisation in 1963 leads to amusing conclusions...
14th Apr '16 8:32:31 AM Morgenthaler
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* Christopher Lloyd's character in ''SuburbanCommando'' seems to have no questions or comments when it is revealed that his tenant is an alien bounty hunter. The most he registers is mild annoyance at the fact that he [[MemeticMutation WAS FROZEN TODAY!]]

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* Christopher Lloyd's character in ''SuburbanCommando'' ''Film/SuburbanCommando'' seems to have no questions or comments when it is revealed that his tenant is an alien bounty hunter. The most he registers is mild annoyance at the fact that he [[MemeticMutation WAS FROZEN TODAY!]]
29th Mar '16 8:57:03 AM ObsidianFire
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*** Also, he is extraordinarily genre savvy, to the point that when he pass the first couple of reveals, his reaction goes from mild surprise/annoyance to "checked, checked, checked". In fact, his ability to cope with the increasingly weird situations is (in Itsuke's opinion) what makes him special.

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*** Also, he is extraordinarily genre savvy, smart, to the point that when he pass passes the first couple of reveals, his reaction goes from mild surprise/annoyance to "checked, checked, checked". In fact, his ability to cope with the increasingly weird situations is (in Itsuke's opinion) what makes him special.



* Invoked in ''Film/{{Looper}}''. Joe asks his future self about time travel and memories, but Old Joe shuts him down, pointing out [[GenreSavvy how confusing time travel can be]]. "I don't want to talk about time travel shit. Because if we talk about it, then we're gonna be here all day, drawing diagrams with straws."

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* Invoked in ''Film/{{Looper}}''. Joe asks his future self about time travel and memories, but Old Joe shuts him down, pointing out [[GenreSavvy how confusing time travel can be]].be. "I don't want to talk about time travel shit. Because if we talk about it, then we're gonna be here all day, drawing diagrams with straws."
26th Mar '16 7:17:25 PM LovePsychothefirst
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* Notably averted in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' ... Tidus' questions about things that everyone knows or takes for granted is what begins to truly convince Lulu that he's not from Spira.

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* Notably averted in ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyX'' ... Tidus' questions about things that everyone knows or takes for granted is what begins to truly convince Lulu that he's not from Spira. It also ends up ''driving the whole plot'' since otherwise no one would end up questioning the system they are in. [[spoiler: This is probably what the Fayth intended when they tossed Tidus out of Zanarkand into Spira; to ask the questions and start demanding better answers than "this is so" so as to kick apathy out of Spira.]]
11th Mar '16 9:38:03 PM smalltime
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* In the final episode of ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'', while the other Titans question how Terra is back to normal after being turned into a statue, Beast Boy is more interested in the fact that she's back than how she came back.
29th Dec '15 6:04:20 PM jormis29
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* In a similar vein, the cast of ''{{Spinnerette}}'' have encountered a villainess who turned herself into a [[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons drider by performing a ritual to Lolth]], and a [[CuteMonsterGirl Cerberus-girl]] charged with keeping damned souls in {{Hell}}. ''No one'' has any questions about the theological ramifications of this.

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* In a similar vein, the cast of ''{{Spinnerette}}'' ''Webcomic/{{Spinnerette}}'' have encountered a villainess who turned herself into a [[TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons drider by performing a ritual to Lolth]], and a [[CuteMonsterGirl Cerberus-girl]] charged with keeping damned souls in {{Hell}}. ''No one'' has any questions about the theological ramifications of this.
15th Dec '15 2:13:58 PM Willbyr
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* Justified in ''MyLovelyGhostKana'', where Daikichi doesn't ask all that many questions about the afterlife, but it's pretty clear that Kana herself doesn't really have the answers either.

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* Justified in ''MyLovelyGhostKana'', ''Manga/MyLovelyGhostKana'', where Daikichi doesn't ask all that many questions about the afterlife, but it's pretty clear that Kana herself doesn't really have the answers either.
15th Dec '15 11:24:59 AM Doug86
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* In ''{{Warehouse 13}}'', Pete hasn't read the Warehouse's manual, and even the characters who have are still finding out new things about the Warehouse- they were surprised to find an entire Bed and Breakfast inside, for example. Justified in that the Warehouse is impossibly large (stretching on farther than the eye can see) and Artie doesn't like to share information.

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* In ''{{Warehouse ''Series/{{Warehouse 13}}'', Pete hasn't read the Warehouse's manual, and even the characters who have are still finding out new things about the Warehouse- Warehouse - they were surprised to find an entire Bed and Breakfast inside, for example. Justified in that the Warehouse is impossibly large (stretching on farther than the eye can see) and Artie doesn't like to share information.
19th Nov '15 5:59:14 AM StFan
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* ''Franchise/StarTrek'' is famous for not asking the alien cultures they visit about local laws and rules. Especially when they send crew members on shore leave, you would think it might be smart to ask about local laws and taboos just to make sure no one accidentally violates them.
** The notorious [[{{Alien Non-Interference Clause}} PrimeDirective]] would give them an incentive to avoid asking those questions. The less they know about the culture, the less intentional their interference in it becomes, and the better excuse they can make to a court-martial.
** In one episode, the planet they visit has is described as being like Garden of Eden and they arrive to see it as nice, relaxed and so are naturally put off guard about the possibility that there may be randomly applied death penalty for even a tiny infractions (though they do find out about it through casual conversation, albeit a little too late). In retrospect, it does make the initial comparison double sided.
*** A little? Most of the time, the blunders the crews make would not have happened in the first place if the aliens had said 'by the way, we punish doing this by death - tell your people not to do this, okay?' And the fact that they NEVER make exceptions for ignorance of the local laws because these are offworlds... One example involves B'Elanna Torres of ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' nearly suffering neurological damage because they were removing violent THOUGHTS, which are illegal on this planet (their [[PlanetOfHats hat]] being telepathy). B'Elanna is part KLINGON - violence is the brim on their hat.

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* ''Franchise/StarTrek'' is famous for not asking the alien cultures they visit about local laws and rules. Especially when they send crew members on shore leave, leave; you would think it might be smart to ask about local laws and taboos just to make sure no one accidentally violates them.
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them. The notorious [[{{Alien Non-Interference Clause}} PrimeDirective]] [[AlienNonInterferenceClause Prime Directive]] would give them an incentive to avoid asking those questions. The less they know about the culture, the less intentional their interference in it becomes, and the better excuse they can make to a court-martial.
** In one episode, the planet they visit has is described as being like Garden of Eden and they arrive to see it as nice, relaxed and so are naturally put off guard about the possibility that there may be randomly applied death penalty for even a tiny infractions (though they do find out about it through casual conversation, albeit a little too late). In retrospect, it does make the initial comparison double sided.
*** A little?
double-sided.
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Most of the time, the blunders the crews make would not have happened in the first place if the aliens had said 'by "by the way, we punish doing this by death - -- tell your people not to do this, okay?' okay?" And the fact that they NEVER make exceptions for ignorance of the local laws because these are offworlds... One example involves B'Elanna Torres of ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' nearly suffering neurological damage because they were removing violent THOUGHTS, which are illegal on this planet (their [[PlanetOfHats hat]] being telepathy). B'Elanna is part KLINGON - -- violence is the brim on their hat.



*** Another example is an episode from the 7th Season, where the Enterprise '''creates life in the holodeck of its own volition.''' The crew's response to this unprecedented and possibly terrifying event? "Oh well, that happened."
*** Then there's the fact that Dr. Soong slaved for years to create a positronic brain capable of supporting a sentient consciousness, a feat that no one else has been able to duplicate, and then an off-hand comment by Geordi to the ship's computer results in the creation of an apparently sentient, self-aware holodeck character. No one seems particularly interested in investigating how this happened or whether the effect could be duplicated once the immediate danger to the ship is resolved.

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*** ** Another example is an episode from the 7th Season, where the Enterprise '''creates life in the holodeck of its own volition.''' The crew's response to this unprecedented and possibly terrifying event? "Oh well, that happened."
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" Then there's the fact that Dr. Soong slaved for years to create a positronic brain capable of supporting a sentient consciousness, a feat that no one else has been able to duplicate, and then an off-hand comment by Geordi to the ship's computer results in the creation of an apparently sentient, self-aware holodeck character. No one No-one seems particularly interested in investigating how this happened or whether the effect could be duplicated once the immediate danger to the ship is resolved.
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