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19th Sep '16 3:45:15 PM Dirtyblue929
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-->-- '''YOUR ENTIRE PARTY''', ''[[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic Knights of the Old Republic II]]''

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-->-- '''YOUR ENTIRE PARTY''', '''Your entire party''', ''[[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic Knights of the Old Republic II]]''
20th Aug '16 2:29:21 PM thatother1dude
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* ''Series/{{Lost}}''. Oh dear god, ''Lost''. There are far too many individual instances to count but the most [[{{JustForFun/Egregious}} egregious]] is in season 6 when the cast fails to ask [[spoiler:Faux-Locke any questions once they find out he's the smoke monster.]] Jin and Jack [[spoiler:(plus Sayid and Claire)]] are the only ones who get something of a pass here. Jin is clearly outwardly terrified of him and Jack asks but he dodges the question.
20th Aug '16 2:26:45 PM thatother1dude
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* ''Literature/HarryPotter'' author J.K. Rowling tried to save herself from having to create a [[MagicAIsMagicA coherent magic system]] by having her viewpoint character tune out whenever theory is mentioned. It worked in the sense that she was able to avoid talking much about how magic actually works, but it does give the reader the impression that Harry is an incredibly apathetic child about this magical world that he suddenly finds himself living in. Also, she tends to delve back into magical theory towards the end, with the plot of the last book hinging on obscure magical theory.
** It's even WORSE when Rowling hand waves things from the muggle side. We keep being told that humans just naturally refuse to think about magic at all because they are afraid that they would be labeled as crazy. But in the real world people look for [=UFOs=] and ghosts all the time and don't seem too worried. In fact we know that the leaders of the world ARE told about wizards, but are simply too apathetic to think about this potential threat/power source.

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* ''Literature/HarryPotter'' author J.K. Rowling tried to save herself from having to create a [[MagicAIsMagicA coherent magic system]] by having her viewpoint character tune out whenever theory is mentioned. It worked in the sense that she was able to avoid talking much about how magic actually works, but it does give the reader the impression that Harry is an incredibly apathetic child about this magical world that he suddenly finds himself living in. Also, she tends to delve back into magical theory towards the end, with the plot of the last book hinging on obscure magical theory.\n** It's even WORSE when Rowling hand waves things from the muggle side. We keep being told that humans just naturally refuse to think about magic at all because they are afraid that they would be labeled as crazy. But in the real world people look for [=UFOs=] and ghosts all the time and don't seem too worried. In fact we know that the leaders of the world ARE told about wizards, but are simply too apathetic to think about this potential threat/power source.
20th Aug '16 2:15:42 PM thatother1dude
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* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}''. The title character learns three jutsus during the first part of the manga (Toad Summoning, Rasengan and Shadow Clones). Two years later, he ''still'' only knows those same three, and has to be told about textbook information like changing chakra nature. Later on in the series, Naruto grows more powerful sage mode and learns to master the nine-tail's chakra. He uses these power-ups to create variations on these same three Jutsus. Averted completely by Sasuke, who creates, uses, and recreates his own jutsu many times and tries to explore them to their full potential. Given, he is the analytical, cold, and rational type, while Naruto is the emotional, soft, and irrational type who just kicks and goes with the trail the ball makes. Made worse if you note that he is host to a demon that gives him virtually unlimited chakra, so one would expect him to explore it, rather than acknowledge and ignore it afterwards.
20th Aug '16 2:13:26 PM thatother1dude
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* In ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' the plot revolves around the remnants of an alien group of rebels against a galactic empire, and the effects on Earth and the HalfHumanHybrid son of their departed Leader. The Crystal Gem rebels themselves have elements of BlueAndOrangeMorality and are LiteralMinded so they don't know a lot of what their own former leader did; or what the Gem Homeworld Empire is like. And what they do know, they don't talk about; either intentionally or not realizing it might be helpful to discuss.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' the plot revolves around the remnants of an alien group of rebels against a galactic empire, and the effects on Earth and the HalfHumanHybrid son of their departed Leader. The Crystal Gem rebels themselves have elements of BlueAndOrangeMorality and are LiteralMinded so they don't know a lot of what their own former leader did; did or what the Gem Homeworld Empire is like. And what they do know, they don't talk about; either intentionally or not realizing it might be helpful to discuss.
20th Aug '16 10:58:20 AM EdwardGil
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* In ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' the plot revolves around the remnants of an alien group of rebels against a galactic empire, and the effects on Earth and the HalfHumanHybrid son of their departed Leader. The Crystal Gem rebels themselves have elements of BlueAndOrangeMorality and are LiteralMinded so they don't know a lot of what their own former leader did; or what the Gem Homeworld Empire is like. And what they do know, they don't talk about; either intentionally or not realizing it might be helpful to discuss.
26th Jul '16 4:55:39 AM Derleth
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* Former Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi:
** [[http://michellemalkin.com/2010/04/08/pelosi-on-demcare-visualize-a-refrigerator/ "Itís like the back of the refrigerator. You see all these wires and the rest. All you need to know is, you open the door. The light goes on."]] FridgeLogic indeed!
** [[http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/peter-roff/2010/03/09/pelosi-pass-health-reform-so-you-can-find-out-whats-in-it "[Congress has] to pass the bill so you can find out what's in it."]]
24th Jun '16 6:02:51 PM nombretomado
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* In the Japanese version of ''Anime/YuGiOh'', Seto Kaiba acknowledges that magic exists and that Duel Monsters originated in ancient times, but he's just completely uninterested in it, finding running his company and winning at Duel Monsters to be a higher priority. The FourKidsEntertainment dub changed this to make Kaiba a FlatEarthAtheist.

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* In the Japanese version of ''Anime/YuGiOh'', Seto Kaiba acknowledges that magic exists and that Duel Monsters originated in ancient times, but he's just completely uninterested in it, finding running his company and winning at Duel Monsters to be a higher priority. The FourKidsEntertainment Creator/FourKidsEntertainment dub changed this to make Kaiba a FlatEarthAtheist.
16th Apr '16 7:34:33 AM Morgenthaler
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*** FridgeBrilliance here: if your afterlife is based on your beliefs, then Christianity IS true... along with every major and minor religion, cult, credence, for their respective believers.



*** During ComicBook/BrightestDay, ComicBook/LexLuthor asked Death why she did not interfere during ComicBook/BlackestNight. She answers that the ZombieApocalypse did not really interest her.

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*** ** During ComicBook/BrightestDay, ComicBook/LexLuthor asked Death why she did not interfere during ComicBook/BlackestNight. She answers that the ZombieApocalypse did not really interest her.



*** This gets worse. During ''ComicBook/CrisisOnInfiniteEarths'' (and on sporadic occasions thereafter) a large number of Earth's heroes were actually ''present at Creation,'' and ''saw'' a great big hand creating the universe. Heck, [[Comicbook/GreenLantern the Guardians of the Universe]] ''have it on tape.'' Whether the universe was created by an intelligent being simply shouldn't be in question.
*** That proves little to nothing, giving that any mortal can go AGodAmI once in a while... Hell, even [[Comicbook/GreenLantern Hal Jordan/Parallax]] recreated the Universe once, and he was just a human. Therefore there is very little to ''revere'' even if you believe.



* Creator/RogerEbert got into an amusing rant about the film ''Over Her Dead Body'' and the fact that no one seemed to consider the staggering theological implications a real live ghost (or should that be a real dead ghost) would mean.
** He had similar issues with ''[[Film/JackFrost1998 Jack Frost]]'', wherein Creator/MichaelKeaton dies and is [[{{Reincarnation}} reincarnated]] as [[AnIcePerson a snowman]] to [[MundaneUtility help his son fight bullies.]] People can be reincarnated? As ''inanimate objects''??? Oh, don't bother elaborating on that. Back to the snowball fight.
* IndianaJones has been presented with absolute incontrovertible proof of the truth of the Old Testament and the New Testament (and arguably the Bhagavad Gita). This seems to have had absolutely no effect on his lifestyle, career or (dis)belief in the supernatural.
** Dr. Jones doesn't disbelieve in the supernatural, he just wouldn't be accepting each cheap explanation at face value, because c'mon, he is an archaeologist, and if he goes around accepting that each of world's marvels has been constructed by a god/alien/mage/ etc, he could just make short of it and retire.

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* Creator/RogerEbert got into an amusing rant about the film ''Over Her Dead Body'' and the fact that no one seemed to consider the staggering theological implications a real live ghost (or should that be a real dead ghost) would mean.
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mean. He had similar issues with ''[[Film/JackFrost1998 Jack Frost]]'', wherein Creator/MichaelKeaton dies and is [[{{Reincarnation}} reincarnated]] as [[AnIcePerson a snowman]] to [[MundaneUtility help his son fight bullies.]] People can be reincarnated? As ''inanimate objects''??? Oh, don't bother elaborating on that. Back to the snowball fight.
* IndianaJones ''Franchise/IndianaJones'': Indiana has been presented with absolute incontrovertible proof of the truth of the Old Testament and the New Testament (and arguably the Bhagavad Gita). This seems to have had absolutely no effect on his lifestyle, career or (dis)belief in the supernatural.
** Dr. Jones doesn't disbelieve in the supernatural, he just wouldn't be accepting each cheap explanation at face value, because c'mon, he is an archaeologist, and if he goes around accepting that each of world's marvels has been constructed by a god/alien/mage/ etc, he could just make short of it and retire.
supernatural.



** When they do, though, God tends to be a little evasive, so they might just figure that it's pointless to try.



** Of course, it's also stated that he was viciously attacked, beaten, left on the floor like trash, and watched as another man was ''also'' brutally beaten, then drugged and dragged off for trying to defend him. Then his fiance came back, freaked out, and changed into a wolf -- something that is considered in-universe to be ''extreme'' BodyHorror. When Elena presses him for the truth, he snaps at her, and it's made clear that he ''did'' see everything; he's just dealing with it by telling himself it wasn't real.



* In ''Series/DoctorWho,'' various companions fail to question changing history, whereas some address the problems from the start (Barbara Wright). "Why do we need to save history? I come from the present, so I know history went right," or "If you can't change history, why could you save me? I'm history to you!"

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* In ''Series/DoctorWho,'' various ''Series/DoctorWho'':
** Various
companions fail to question changing history, whereas some address the problems from the start (Barbara Wright). "Why do we need to save history? I come from the present, so I know history went right," or "If you can't change history, why could you save me? I'm history to you!"



* In ''TheLostRoom,'' a character gets a key that takes him into a hotel room that exists outside time and space. Walking out of the room takes you to any place in the world with a door. Why, why, '''why''' didn't he start experimenting with things like climbing out the window to see what happens? This is especially glaring considering that other characters do things like put things in the room, then close and open the door (making them disappear) and check if the room has electricity and running water (it does).
** A room that can eat things (such as the protagonist's daughter) is not something you want to poke at quite so much.

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* In ''TheLostRoom,'' ''Series/TheLostRoom,'' a character gets a key that takes him into a hotel room that exists outside time and space. Walking out of the room takes you to any place in the world with a door. Why, why, '''why''' didn't he start experimenting with things like climbing out the window to see what happens? This is especially glaring considering that other characters do things like put things in the room, then close and open the door (making them disappear) and check if the room has electricity and running water (it does).
** A room that can eat things (such as the protagonist's daughter) is not something you want to poke at quite so much.
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** Well yeah; in a setting where "Thought begets Heresy, Heresy begets Retribution" and "Blessed is the mind too small for doubt" it's probably best not to ask a lot of questions.
*** "An Open mind is a like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded." When anything from a book to ''ink'' can lead to an EldritchAbomination showing up, people quickly learn to stop asking.
*** And one of the creeds of the Officio Assassinorum: "Ask not for whom they seek, lest it be thyself."
*** "Knowledge is Power. Do not waste it on the masses."
*** Those that do question are often... unstable. "There is music at the limits of my hearing. There are daemons at the edge of my vision. There are ghosts in the machine."



*** Seeing how none of the other characters seem to mind it might also be that Gordon does speak, but the devs left what he said to the players imagination for immersion purposes.
*** It's worth mentioning that his lack of speech has been [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] at least once.
* In ''SilentHill2'', when James sees his first monster, he promptly whacks it with a board and wonders briefly what it is. After that, he never questions anything else about the decidedly messed up town he's in. [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] because he's ''completely nuts''.
** Henry of ''SilentHill4'' suffers from the same lack of reflection on the circumstances he's facing. Could be justified in that he's been through extended isolation, sleep deprivation and malnourishment to the point that he could be prone to and apathetic to hallucination, but this is simply a projection of conditions only alluded to in the beginning, and never touched on through the story. Heck, the first person he runs into, a woman named Vasquez(?), assumes it's all a weird dream and comes on to Henry. Most of the other people who end up in the [[DarkWorld Other Side]] have similar confused and muted reactions, if at all, as the crack head doesn't seem to even see the monsters.
*** The ''LetsPlay'' of [[http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/Silent%20Hill%204/ this Silent Hill]] has a hilarious take on the whole issue.
** Subverted in ''SilentHill3''. Like those before her, Heather assumes the monsters to be either demons or illusions, only to be rebuffed with the famous line: ''"Monsters? They look like monsters to you?"'' [[spoiler: Of course, Vincent is a ManipulativeBastard of a psychiatrist/cult leader, so he may just be trying to mess with her.]]

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*** Seeing how none of the other characters seem to mind it might also be that Gordon does speak, but the devs left what he said to the players imagination for immersion purposes.
*** It's worth mentioning that his lack of speech has been [[LampshadeHanging lampshaded]] at least once.
* In ''SilentHill2'', ''VideoGame/SilentHill2'', when James sees his first monster, he promptly whacks it with a board and wonders briefly what it is. After that, he never questions anything else about the decidedly messed up town he's in. [[JustifiedTrope Justified]] because he's ''completely nuts''.
** * Henry of ''SilentHill4'' ''VideoGame/SilentHill4'' suffers from the same lack of reflection on the circumstances he's facing. Could be justified in that he's been through extended isolation, sleep deprivation and malnourishment to the point that he could be prone to and apathetic to hallucination, but this is simply a projection of conditions only alluded to in the beginning, and never touched on through the story. Heck, the first person he runs into, a woman named Vasquez(?), assumes it's all a weird dream and comes on to Henry. Most of the other people who end up in the [[DarkWorld Other Side]] have similar confused and muted reactions, if at all, as the crack head doesn't seem to even see the monsters.
*** The ''LetsPlay'' of [[http://lparchive.org/LetsPlay/Silent%20Hill%204/ this Silent Hill]] has a hilarious take on the whole issue.
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* Subverted in ''SilentHill3''.''VideoGame/SilentHill3''. Like those before her, Heather assumes the monsters to be either demons or illusions, only to be rebuffed with the famous line: ''"Monsters? They look like monsters to you?"'' [[spoiler: Of course, Vincent is a ManipulativeBastard of a psychiatrist/cult leader, so he may just be trying to mess with her.]]



** It also serves as an excellent example of why this trope exists, since most players found Tidus' constant questions to be incredibly annoying.



** [[OurAngelsAreDifferent Considering the angels they've met]], they are probably [[JustifiedTrope just trying their hardest not to think about it]].
*** The [[FourthWallMailSlot Ask Ash section responses]] seem to indicate they've asked Rumi about it offscreen. Being [[TheStoner Rumi]], he's not always much help.
** Also, let's think here- which is more important to you, the CelestialBureaucracy you have no way of accessing, or the fact that one of you [[GenderBender really shouldn't be a girl]] and the other is missing the most important two years of her high school career.
14th Apr '16 8:33:23 AM Morgenthaler
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** The movie does address this by saying that the man who killed Fox's father and scarred her was on the loom's hit list and wasn't killed. The loom apparently also realized that [[spoiler:Morgan Freeman's character was putting "innocent" names on the list to use the Brotherhood as hired assassins, and puts all of the Brotherhood's names on the list]]. So it apparently ''is'' magical and sentient. Which makes one wonder why [[spoiler: it deemed them ''all'' guilty when it was just one man manipulating them and Fox was so astoundingly loyal to it she put a (single) bullet through ''all'' of their heads?]] The whole mess is really one of those things [[BellisariosMaxim you shouldn't think of too hard]], considering the quality of the rest of the movie.
*** Perhaps the loom decided that the Order should no longer exist because [[spoiler:it was too powerful and too easily misused]].
** This is not just binary, but ASCII: At the middle of the movie, when Sloan shows the loom and then his first contract to Wesley, we can read part of the target's name, that is [...] R (01010010 = 82), T (01010100 = 84), D (01000100 = 68), E (01000101 = 69), A (01000001 = 65), N (01001110 = 78), etc.. The fact this encoding was used by medieval monks centuries before its standardisation in 1963 leads to amusing conclusions...
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