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** Lampshaded in ''Lair of the Shadow Broker'', where Shepard berates Tela Vasir for betraying the Spectres by working with the Shadow Broker. Vasir throws it right back at them, that ''Shepard'' is working with Cerberus, so how are they ''[[NotSoDifferent different]]''?
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** Lampshaded in ''Lair of the Shadow Broker'', where Shepard berates Tela Vasir for betraying the Spectres by working with the Shadow Broker. Vasir throws it right back at them, that ''Shepard'' is working with Cerberus, so how are they ''[[NotSoDifferent ''[[NotSoDifferentRemark different]]''?
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* ''Anime/CodeGeass'': Lelouch when compared to Schneisel near the end. Schneisel had the same world peace goal as the Lelouch and Suzaku [[spoiler: but he was going [[MoralEventHorizon way too far with his plan of nuking major cities from orbit]] and thus came out darker]].
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* ''Anime/CodeGeass'': Lelouch turns out to be this near the end when compared to Schneisel Schneizel near the end. Schneisel had the same world peace goal as the Schneizel, like Lelouch and Suzaku [[spoiler: but he was going Suzaku, seeks to create world peace. [[spoiler:Unfortunately, his plan to do so involves [[MoralEventHorizon way too far with his plan of nuking major cities from orbit]] and thus came out darker]].orbit]]]].
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** Celestial Being in ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00'' is definitely in the moral grey area: they are attempting world peace and unification, but their methods are essentially killing anyone who tries to start a war (or even ''promotes'' or ''prepares'' for war) in order to frighten people into non-violence. Their enemies are... well, the leading nations of the world, who are portrayed fairly realistically: a bit corrupt and doing a couple heinous things behind the scenes, but not openly malicious or oppressive. They become less gray and more white once Ribbons steps up his game as the [[BigBad villain]], though.
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** Celestial Being in ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00'' is definitely in the moral grey area: they are attempting world peace and unification, but their methods are essentially killing anyone who tries to start a war (or even ''promotes'' or ''prepares'' for war) in order to frighten people into non-violence. Their enemies are... well, the leading nations of the world, who are portrayed fairly realistically: a bit corrupt and doing a couple few heinous things behind the scenes, but not openly malicious or oppressive. They become less gray and more white once Ribbons steps up his game as the [[BigBad villain]], though.
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* The two "villanous" factions in ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' (Gendo and SEELE) are split like this. The plans of both involve TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt and a AssimilationPlot. SEELE's plan are the more ambigious one, but appearently it involves forcing the Assimilation Plot on all of mankind and use it to ascent into godhood. Gendo's plans, on the other hand, are more personal, and mostly revolves around being reunited with his wife. Notably, he outright compares SEELE's goal to "death" and utterly rejects it om those grounds.
* ''Manga/{{Jormungand}}'' is about an arms dealer who shamelessly calls herself and her organization evil, as the crew sell weapons to both sides to foster conflict and sales while gunning down anyone who gets in their way. However, besides their professions, the protagonists (bar perhaps the bosses themselves) really lack villainous or even amoral personality traits. The ex-military bodyguards in particular are as professional in their job as they would be in the military, and off-duty they are all fairly nice, sociable people willing to spare time from their breaks to teach a child soldier. On duty, they're all noted to relish killing a bit too much, but actually prefer sparing their enemies and avoiding psychotic murdering (in sharp contrast to enemy factions).
* ''Manga/{{Jormungand}}'' is about an arms dealer who shamelessly calls herself and her organization evil, as the crew sell weapons to both sides to foster conflict and sales while gunning down anyone who gets in their way. However, besides their professions, the protagonists (bar perhaps the bosses themselves) really lack villainous or even amoral personality traits. The ex-military bodyguards in particular are as professional in their job as they would be in the military, and off-duty they are all fairly nice, sociable people willing to spare time from their breaks to teach a child soldier. On duty, they're all noted to relish killing a bit too much, but actually prefer sparing their enemies and avoiding psychotic murdering (in sharp contrast to enemy factions).
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* The two "villanous" factions in ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' (Gendo and SEELE) are split like this. The plans of both involve TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt and a an AssimilationPlot. SEELE's plan are is the more ambigious ambiguous one, but appearently it involves forcing the Assimilation Plot on all of mankind and use it to ascent into ascend to godhood. Gendo's plans, on the other hand, are more personal, and mostly revolves revolve around being reunited with his wife. Notably, he outright compares SEELE's goal to "death" and utterly rejects it om on those grounds.
* ''Manga/{{Jormungand}}'' is about an arms dealer who shamelessly calls herself and her organization evil, as the crewsell sells weapons to both sides to foster conflict and sales while gunning down anyone who gets in their way. However, besides their professions, the protagonists (bar perhaps the bosses themselves) really lack villainous or even amoral personality traits. The ex-military bodyguards in particular are as professional in their job as they would be in the military, and off-duty they are all fairly nice, sociable people willing to spare time from their breaks to teach a child soldier. On duty, they're all noted to relish killing a bit too much, but actually prefer sparing their enemies and avoiding psychotic murdering (in sharp contrast to enemy factions).
* ''Manga/{{Jormungand}}'' is about an arms dealer who shamelessly calls herself and her organization evil, as the crew
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** Later, the crew go to Iraq to rebuild an elementary school, although under the blunt pretense of raising PR for the company. Still, they were all disgusted when Excalibur, a hired PMC, gunned down a civilian for fun on the road; immediately afterward, Koko fired them.
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** Later, the crew go goes to Iraq to rebuild an elementary school, although under the blunt pretense of raising PR for the company. Still, they were all disgusted when Excalibur, a hired PMC, gunned down a civilian for fun on the road; immediately afterward, Koko fired them.
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* ''Film/EyeInTheSky'' consists almost entirely of discussions and debate over whether they should drone strike a building where several wanted terrorists are at, and where 2 suicide bombers are getting ready, when there is an innocent little girl in the line of fire. The film presents both sides of the debate, and doesn't give credence to either line of thought, with both sides making good points. Ultimately [[spoiler: they decide to bomb it, and the girl dies]] and the film makes it clear that this decision haunted everyone, showing that even though they did what they thought was right, it was still the least awful decision.
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* ''Film/EyeInTheSky'' consists almost entirely of discussions and debate over whether they should drone strike a building where several wanted terrorists are at, and where 2 two suicide bombers are getting ready, when there is an innocent little girl in the line of fire. The film presents both sides of the debate, and doesn't give credence to either line of thought, with both sides making good points. Ultimately [[spoiler: they decide to bomb it, and the girl dies]] and the film makes it clear that this decision haunted everyone, showing that even though they did what they thought was right, it was still the least awful decision.
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* In ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' and its TV adaptation ''Series/GameOfThrones'', House Stark is basically a mixture of [[HonorBeforeReason decent-if-naive]] and [[KnightInSourArmor normal-if-cynical]] people, though (by virtue of kicking their ass in a war a while back) unfortunately have [[TokenEvilTeammate House Bolton]] fighting for their side, who are a bunch of power-hungry sadists. Their arch-enemies House Lannister, however, while having somewhat decent-if-cynical-and-manipulative people like Tyrion (and, possibly, Jaime, though he has done some really bad stuff), or Cersei's innocent younger children, are generally a bunch of ruthless, backstabbing, power hungry assholes who are willing to put TheCaligula on the throne if [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans that is what keeps them in power]], and employ evil psychopaths like Gregor Clegane without batting an eye. And while Tywin, the head of the House, may be [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic]] enough to know how to run the economy properly and keep the peasants happy and well-fed, he is still a monumental {{Jerkass}} who has entire families butchered and treats his children like dirt.
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* In ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' and its TV adaptation ''Series/GameOfThrones'', House Stark is basically a mixture of [[HonorBeforeReason decent-if-naive]] and [[KnightInSourArmor normal-if-cynical]] people, though (by virtue of kicking their ass in a war a while back) unfortunately have [[TokenEvilTeammate House Bolton]] fighting for their side, who are a bunch of power-hungry sadists. Their arch-enemies House Lannister, however, while having somewhat decent-if-cynical-and-manipulative people like Tyrion (and, possibly, Jaime, though he has done some really bad stuff), or Cersei's innocent younger children, are generally a bunch of ruthless, backstabbing, power hungry power-hungry assholes who are willing to put TheCaligula on the throne if [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans that is what keeps them in power]], and employ evil psychopaths like Gregor Clegane without batting an eye. And while Tywin, the head of the House, may be [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic]] enough to know how to run the economy properly and keep the peasants happy and well-fed, he is still a monumental {{Jerkass}} who has entire families butchered and treats his children like dirt.
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* Within the protagonist group in ''Series/TheWalkingDead'' Shane is definitely the darker, pure survival oriented SociopathicHero to Rick who thinks not only of the group but even of others outside the group and makes a conscious effort to cling to his morality.
* The conflict between alternate universes was mostly portrayed this way in ''Series/{{Fringe}}''. It was often commented on by critics that the only reason viewers sympathized with the prime universe over the alternate is because the focus was on the prime universe (when [[spoiler:the two sides declared a truce and audiences saw the alternate universe ''not'' trying to wipe out the prime]], they became a lot more sympathetic). It should be noted that the origin of the conflict was a child abduction perpetrated by someone from the prime universe. To make it grey-er, the abduction ''saved the child's life'' (and was initially meant to last only long enough to do just that before returning him).
* The conflict between alternate universes was mostly portrayed this way in ''Series/{{Fringe}}''. It was often commented on by critics that the only reason viewers sympathized with the prime universe over the alternate is because the focus was on the prime universe (when [[spoiler:the two sides declared a truce and audiences saw the alternate universe ''not'' trying to wipe out the prime]], they became a lot more sympathetic). It should be noted that the origin of the conflict was a child abduction perpetrated by someone from the prime universe. To make it grey-er, the abduction ''saved the child's life'' (and was initially meant to last only long enough to do just that before returning him).
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* Within the protagonist group in ''Series/TheWalkingDead'' Shane is definitely the darker, pure survival oriented survival-oriented SociopathicHero to Rick who thinks not only of the group but even of others outside the group and makes a conscious effort to cling to his morality.
* The conflict between alternate universes was mostly portrayed this way in ''Series/{{Fringe}}''. It was often commented on by critics that the only reason viewers sympathized with the prime universe over the alternate is because the focus was on the prime universe (when [[spoiler:the two sides declared a truce and audiences saw the alternate universe ''not'' trying to wipe out the prime]], they became a lot more sympathetic). It should be noted that the origin of the conflict was a child abduction perpetrated by someone from the prime universe. To make itgrey-er, greyer, the abduction ''saved the child's life'' (and was initially meant to last only long enough to do just that before returning him).
* The conflict between alternate universes was mostly portrayed this way in ''Series/{{Fringe}}''. It was often commented on by critics that the only reason viewers sympathized with the prime universe over the alternate is because the focus was on the prime universe (when [[spoiler:the two sides declared a truce and audiences saw the alternate universe ''not'' trying to wipe out the prime]], they became a lot more sympathetic). It should be noted that the origin of the conflict was a child abduction perpetrated by someone from the prime universe. To make it
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* ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'' the Inner Sphere houses can be viewed as this, as they are fighting each other as they see themselves as the rightful heirs of the Sphere, and they don't want the other houses to eliminate them. Of course each houses have their darker moments. The Federated Suns and the Lyran Commonwealth have leaders who put shame in the family name, most notably Katherine Stiener-Davion. While the Draconis Combine and the Cappellan Confederation have ruthlessly killed billions in a single planet when their leaders felt like doing it. The Free Worlds on the other hand have a long history of constant squabbling, and the [[spoiler:true Thomas Marik]] formed the Word of Blake and orchestrated the destructive war known as the Jihad.
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* ''TabletopGame/BattleTech'' the Inner Sphere houses can be viewed as this, this way, as they are fighting each other as they see themselves as the rightful heirs of the Sphere, and they don't want the other houses to eliminate them. Of course each houses have their house has its darker moments. The Federated Suns and the Lyran Commonwealth have leaders who put shame in the family name, most notably Katherine Stiener-Davion. While the Draconis Combine and the Cappellan Confederation have ruthlessly killed billions in on a single planet when their leaders felt like doing it. The Free Worlds Worlds, on the other hand hand, have a long history of constant squabbling, and the [[spoiler:true Thomas Marik]] formed the Word of Blake and orchestrated the destructive war known as the Jihad.
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* Both ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' and ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' revolve around this conflict. It's less obvious in 3 as the Brotherhood act mostly as white knights, but are capable of doing very unpleasant things, such as murdering Ghouls on sight and killing civilans outside of Megaton. But not on the same scale as the Enclave who plan on killing anyone with even the slightest form of mutation. The New California Republic are a diverse, wealthy, democratic, powerful, prosperous, and expansionist federation that greatly improve standards of living in any given region, but they are often greedy and corrupt. In contrast to Caesar's Legion, an evil empire that endorses slavery, child soldiers, rape, paedophelia and torture, and Mr. House, a greedy, despotic, egotistical, dictator who is not above destroying factions that he considers a potential threat, they seem like saints.
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* Both ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' and ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' revolve around this conflict. It's less obvious in 3 as the Brotherhood act mostly as white knights, but are capable of doing very unpleasant things, such as murdering Ghouls on sight and killing civilans civilians outside of Megaton. But not on the same scale as the Enclave who plan on killing anyone with even the slightest form of mutation. The New California Republic are a diverse, wealthy, democratic, powerful, prosperous, and expansionist federation that greatly improve standards of living in any given region, but they are often greedy and corrupt. In contrast to Caesar's Legion, an evil empire that endorses slavery, child soldiers, rape, paedophelia and torture, and Mr. House, a greedy, despotic, egotistical, dictator who is not above destroying factions that he considers a potential threat, they seem like saints.
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* ''VideoGame/{{Madworld}}''. Jack, by his own words kills people rather than helping them and participates in a snuff competition, Death Watch. [[spoiler: Leo's Dad]] organized Death Watch [[spoiler: as a cover to show off his virus which, in the context of Death Watch all it did was clear out most of the innocent bystanders, cleanly overshadowed by THE FUCKING DEATH WATCH.]] And [[spoiler: Leo]] is even worse, who helped with the plan ForTheEvulz. So naturally Jack kills them all with relish.
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* ''VideoGame/{{Madworld}}''. Jack, by his own words words, kills people rather than helping them and participates in a snuff competition, Death Watch. [[spoiler: Leo's Dad]] organized Death Watch [[spoiler: as a cover to show off his virus which, in the context of Death Watch all it did was clear out most of the innocent bystanders, cleanly overshadowed by THE FUCKING DEATH WATCH.]] And [[spoiler: Leo]] is even worse, who helped with the plan ForTheEvulz. So naturally Jack kills them all with relish.
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* King Foltest in ''Franchise/TheWitcher'' is regarded as a arrogant, sister-humping warmonger, but he ends up being one of the least morally-repugnant leaders in the series as well as the most moral monarchs in the Northern Kingdoms compared to others such as King Henselt of Kaedwin, who is your standard FatBastard, as well as King Radovid of Temeria, who is practically [[ANaziByAnyOtherName an Adolf Hitler stand-in]] by performing ethnic cleansing against undesirables (in this case magic users). Nilfgaard is ruled by Emperor Emhyr var Emreis, who is basically Fantasy UsefulNotes/JosephStalin by launching expansionist campaigns against any kingdoms that refuse to be forcibly absorbed into his empire, and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness happily executing his own courtiers and military high command]] [[YouHaveFailedMe if they fail him in the slightest.]]
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* King Foltest in ''Franchise/TheWitcher'' is regarded as a an arrogant, sister-humping warmonger, but he ends up being one of the least morally-repugnant morally repugnant leaders in the series as well as the most moral monarchs in the Northern Kingdoms compared to others such as King Henselt of Kaedwin, who is your standard FatBastard, as well as King Radovid of Temeria, who is practically [[ANaziByAnyOtherName an Adolf Hitler stand-in]] by performing ethnic cleansing against undesirables (in this case magic users). Nilfgaard is ruled by Emperor Emhyr var Emreis, who is basically Fantasy UsefulNotes/JosephStalin by launching expansionist campaigns against any kingdoms that refuse to be forcibly absorbed into his empire, and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness happily executing his own courtiers and military high command]] [[YouHaveFailedMe if they fail him in the slightest.]]
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** Claude from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemThreeHouses'' freely admits that he's a slippery, scheming bastard who shouldn't be trusted, but come the TimeSkip, he's actually the least morally compromised of the faction leaders: the others are [[spoiler: a VisionaryVillain who's willing to shed plenty of blood for her plans to come to fruition, a SociopathicHero who's consumed with fury, and the archbishop of a church that has lied to the people of Fodlan for goddess knows how many years.]] In comparison, Claude just wants to keep his nation out of their conflict. Fittingly [[spoiler: he's the one main character who can potentially survive all 4 routes, in fact the only route where he ''can'' die is Edelgard's, and only if you go out of your way to not spare him.]]
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** Claude from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemThreeHouses'' freely admits that he's a slippery, scheming bastard who shouldn't be trusted, but come the TimeSkip, he's actually the least morally compromised of the faction leaders: the others are [[spoiler: a VisionaryVillain who's willing to shed plenty of blood for her plans to come to fruition, a SociopathicHero who's consumed with fury, and the archbishop of a church that has lied to the people of Fodlan for goddess knows how many years.]] In comparison, Claude just wants to keep his nation out of their conflict. Fittingly [[spoiler: he's the one main character who can potentially survive all 4 routes, four routes; in fact fact, the only route where he ''can'' die is Edelgard's, and only if you go out of your way to not spare him.]]
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* The two "villanous" factions in ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' (Gendo and SEELE) are split like this. Both plan's involve TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt and a AssimilationPlot. SEELE's plan are the more ambigious one, but appearently it involves forcing the Assimilation Plot on all of mankind and use it to ascent into godhood. Gendo's plans, on the other hand, are more personal, and mostly revolves around being reunited with his wife. Notably, he outright compares SEELE's goal to "death" and utterly rejects it om those grounds.
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* The two "villanous" factions in ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' (Gendo and SEELE) are split like this. Both plan's The plans of both involve TheEndOfTheWorldAsWeKnowIt and a AssimilationPlot. SEELE's plan are the more ambigious one, but appearently it involves forcing the Assimilation Plot on all of mankind and use it to ascent into godhood. Gendo's plans, on the other hand, are more personal, and mostly revolves around being reunited with his wife. Notably, he outright compares SEELE's goal to "death" and utterly rejects it om those grounds.
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* In ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' the main characters go around destroying everything in their path and half of the party are anti-heroes of varying degrees. Their enemy, the Abbey, however, are a group of {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s attempting to wipe out free will in order to rid the world of Malevolence, which causes humans to become Daemons [[spoiler: due to the effects of a curse placed on humans by the Seraphs of the Heavenly Realm]] who use very objectionable methods to achieve that end.
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* In ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'', the main characters go around destroying everything in their path and half of the party are anti-heroes of varying degrees. Their enemy, the Abbey, however, are a group of {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s attempting to wipe out free will in order to rid the world of Malevolence, which causes humans to become Daemons [[spoiler: due to the effects of a curse placed on humans by the Seraphs of the Heavenly Realm]] who use very objectionable methods to achieve that end.
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* ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'': The Republic are hardly saints, with LawfulStupid, HolierThanThou Jedi, crooked politicians, massive sentient rights abuses on Belsalvis, alliances with crime bosses and outright terrorists, and generals operating on DoUntoOthersBeforeTheyDoUntoUs. However, The Sith Empire is a theocracy led by AxCrazy nutjobs (who can rape, maim, kill, and otherwise terrorize citizens and face zero legal repercussions), an army that wants to imitate the [[KlingonPromotion worst]] [[WeHaveReserves aspects]] of the Sith (including using civilians for live target practice), openly practice slavery and consider anyone who isn't Sith species, human, or Chiss as nothing more than a SlaveRace...unless they are Force Sensitive (making the AxCrazy sorcerer cabal the closest thing to an actual meritocracy). The [[ProudWarriorRace Mandalorians]] are only [[PunchClockVillain showing up for the paycheck]] and they don't consider the Sith {{Worthy Opponent}}s. The OnlySaneEmployee ([[StateSec Imperial Intelligence]]) is left to mop up the mess as best they can. Oh, and the whole thing is led by an OmnicidalManiac nutjob who wants to kill off all life on both side of the conflict to become a god.
* Claude from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemThreeHouses'' freely admits that he's a slippery, scheming bastard who shouldn't be trusted, but come the TimeSkip, he's actually the least morally compromised of the faction leaders: the others are [[spoiler: a VisionaryVillain who's willing to shed plenty of blood for her plans to come to fruition, a SociopathicHero who's consumed with fury, and the archbishop of a church that has lied to the people of Fodlan for goddess knows how many years.]] In comparison, Claude just wants to keep his nation out of their conflict. Fittingly [[spoiler: he's the one main character who can potentially survive all 4 routes, in fact the only route where he ''can'' die is Edelgard's, and only if you go out of your way to not spare him.]]
* Claude from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemThreeHouses'' freely admits that he's a slippery, scheming bastard who shouldn't be trusted, but come the TimeSkip, he's actually the least morally compromised of the faction leaders: the others are [[spoiler: a VisionaryVillain who's willing to shed plenty of blood for her plans to come to fruition, a SociopathicHero who's consumed with fury, and the archbishop of a church that has lied to the people of Fodlan for goddess knows how many years.]] In comparison, Claude just wants to keep his nation out of their conflict. Fittingly [[spoiler: he's the one main character who can potentially survive all 4 routes, in fact the only route where he ''can'' die is Edelgard's, and only if you go out of your way to not spare him.]]
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* ''VideoGame/StarWarsTheOldRepublic'': The Republic are hardly saints, with LawfulStupid, HolierThanThou Jedi, crooked politicians, massive sentient rights abuses on Belsalvis, alliances with crime bosses and outright terrorists, and generals operating on DoUntoOthersBeforeTheyDoUntoUs. However, The the Sith Empire is a theocracy led by AxCrazy nutjobs (who can rape, maim, kill, and otherwise terrorize citizens and face zero legal repercussions), an army that wants to imitate the [[KlingonPromotion worst]] [[WeHaveReserves aspects]] of the Sith (including using civilians for live target practice), openly practice slavery and consider anyone who isn't Sith species, human, or Chiss as nothing more than a SlaveRace...unless they are Force Sensitive (making the AxCrazy sorcerer cabal the closest thing to an actual meritocracy). The [[ProudWarriorRace Mandalorians]] are only [[PunchClockVillain showing up for the paycheck]] and they don't consider the Sith {{Worthy Opponent}}s. The OnlySaneEmployee ([[StateSec Imperial Intelligence]]) is left to mop up the mess as best they can. Oh, and the whole thing is led by an OmnicidalManiac nutjob who wants to kill off all life on both side of the conflict to become a god.
* In the ''Franchise/FireEmblem'' series:
** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' has Hoshido come off as more sympathetic than Nohr in their conflict. While the playable characters on both sides are basically sympathetic, Nohr is the unquestioned aggressor, the true villains are hiding in Nohr's shadows, and all three of the legitimately evil characters ([[TheBrute Hans]], [[EvilGenius Iago]], and [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Kotaro]]) are all aligned directly against Hoshido.
** Claude from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemThreeHouses'' freely admits that he's a slippery, scheming bastard who shouldn't be trusted, but come the TimeSkip, he's actually the least morally compromised of the faction leaders: the others are [[spoiler: a VisionaryVillain who's willing to shed plenty of blood for her plans to come to fruition, a SociopathicHero who's consumed with fury, and the archbishop of a church that has lied to the people of Fodlan for goddess knows how many years.]] In comparison, Claude just wants to keep his nation out of their conflict. Fittingly [[spoiler: he's the one main character who can potentially survive all 4 routes, in fact the only route where he ''can'' die is Edelgard's, and only if you go out of your way to not spare him.]]
* In the ''Franchise/FireEmblem'' series:
** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' has Hoshido come off as more sympathetic than Nohr in their conflict. While the playable characters on both sides are basically sympathetic, Nohr is the unquestioned aggressor, the true villains are hiding in Nohr's shadows, and all three of the legitimately evil characters ([[TheBrute Hans]], [[EvilGenius Iago]], and [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Kotaro]]) are all aligned directly against Hoshido.
** Claude from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemThreeHouses'' freely admits that he's a slippery, scheming bastard who shouldn't be trusted, but come the TimeSkip, he's actually the least morally compromised of the faction leaders: the others are [[spoiler: a VisionaryVillain who's willing to shed plenty of blood for her plans to come to fruition, a SociopathicHero who's consumed with fury, and the archbishop of a church that has lied to the people of Fodlan for goddess knows how many years.]] In comparison, Claude just wants to keep his nation out of their conflict. Fittingly [[spoiler: he's the one main character who can potentially survive all 4 routes, in fact the only route where he ''can'' die is Edelgard's, and only if you go out of your way to not spare him.]]
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* In the conflict between [[spoiler: Akane and Delta]] in the ''VisualNovel/ZeroEscape'' trilogy both sides have [[WellIntentionedExtremist noble goals]] and a small graveyard of [[ShootTheDog dogs shot]] on the path to these goals. However while the former tries to minimise casualties and colateral damage whenever possible, the latter tends to be excesively cruel and some actions like [[spoiler: killing everyone except Diana]] in one of the endings of ''VisualNovel/ZeroTimeDilemma'' seem like [[KickTheDog pointless cruelty]], making [[spoiler: Akane]] a clearly lighter gray.
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* In the conflict between [[spoiler: Akane and Delta]] in the ''VisualNovel/ZeroEscape'' trilogy both sides have [[WellIntentionedExtremist noble goals]] and a small graveyard of [[ShootTheDog dogs shot]] on the path to these goals. However while the former tries to minimise casualties and colateral collateral damage whenever possible, the latter tends to be excesively excessively cruel and some actions like [[spoiler: killing everyone except Diana]] in one of the endings of ''VisualNovel/ZeroTimeDilemma'' seem like [[KickTheDog pointless cruelty]], making [[spoiler: Akane]] a clearly lighter gray.
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* The Poor Man's Fight series by Elliott Kay is this in spades. While you are overall sympathetic to our hero Tanner, the books make very clear that many of the mooks he kills are not evil, perhaps just another young person trapped into military service by unfair debt like him. At the same time, many of his allies have noble goals, such as protecting their nation from foreign invaders who would ruthlessly exploit its people... but also gladly employ psychopathic killers and war criminals if they can help get the job done. Tanner is also a through and through [[CombatPragmatist Combat Pragmatist]], and the foreign media portrays him a ruthless killer for doing such things [[spoiler:as not giving a group of assassins that outnumber him 4-to-1 a chance to surrender before he gives them all brutal, and mostly lethal, take-downs, or blowing up an entire ship full of thousands of invasion troops before they realize the threat]].
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* The Poor Man's Fight series by Elliott Kay is this in spades. While you are overall sympathetic to our hero Tanner, the books make very clear that many of the mooks he kills are not evil, perhaps just another young person trapped into military service by unfair debt like him. At the same time, many of his allies have noble goals, such as protecting their nation from foreign invaders who would ruthlessly exploit its people... but also gladly employ psychopathic killers and war criminals if they can help get the job done. Tanner is also a through and through [[CombatPragmatist Combat Pragmatist]], and the foreign media portrays him a ruthless killer for doing such things [[spoiler:as not giving a group of assassins that outnumber him 4-to-1 a chance to surrender before he gives them all brutal, and mostly lethal, take-downs, or blowing up an entire ship full of thousands of invasion troops before they realize the threat]].
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* The Poor Man's Fight series by Elliott Kay is this in spades. While you are overall sympathetic to our hero Tanner, the books make very clear that many of the mooks he kills are not evil, perhaps just another young person trapped into military service by unfair debt like him. At the same time, many of his allies have noble goals, such as protecting their nation from foreign invaders who would ruthlessly exploit its people... but also gladly employ psychopathic killers and war criminals if they can help get the job done. Tanner is also a through and through [[CombatPragmatist Combat Pragmatist]], and the foreign media portrays him a ruthless killer for doing such things [[spoiler:as not giving a group of assassins that outnumber him 4-to-1 a chance to surrender before he gives them all brutal, and mostly lethal, take-downs, or blowing up an entire ship full of thousands of invasion troops before they realize the threat]].
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* "Eye in the Sky" consists almost entirely of discussions and debate over whether they should drone strike a building where several wanted terrorists are at, and where 2 suicide bombers are getting ready, when there is an innocent little girl in the line of fire. The film presents both sides of the debate, and doesn't give credence to either line of thought, with both sides making good points. Ultimately [[spoiler: they decide to bomb it, and the girl dies]] and the film makes it clear that this decision haunted everyone, showing that even though they did what they thought was right, it was still the least awful decision.
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* "Eye in the Sky" ''Film/EyeInTheSky'' consists almost entirely of discussions and debate over whether they should drone strike a building where several wanted terrorists are at, and where 2 suicide bombers are getting ready, when there is an innocent little girl in the line of fire. The film presents both sides of the debate, and doesn't give credence to either line of thought, with both sides making good points. Ultimately [[spoiler: they decide to bomb it, and the girl dies]] and the film makes it clear that this decision haunted everyone, showing that even though they did what they thought was right, it was still the least awful decision.
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* ''LightNovel/CrestOfTheStars'' [[SubvertedTrope subverts]] the usual portrayal of TheEmpire vs. TheFederation as a BlackAndGrayMorality: the [[FantasticRacism Four]] [[TheFederation Nations Alliance]] is the DesignatedVillain, while the [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman Humankind]] [[TheEmpire Empire]] [[SpaceElves Abh]] is the DesignatedHero.
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* ''Literature/CrestOfTheStars'' [[SubvertedTrope subverts]] the usual portrayal of TheEmpire vs. TheFederation as a BlackAndGrayMorality: the [[FantasticRacism Four]] [[TheFederation Nations Alliance]] is the DesignatedVillain, while the [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman Humankind]] [[TheEmpire Empire]] [[SpaceElves Abh]] is the DesignatedHero.
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* Marvel's ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' was intended to feature [[GreyandGrayMorality ambiguous morals]] and sides that were not really more right than the other. In practice, the authors seemed to have missed the memo and increasingly portrayed the Pro-Registration side as the bad guys, made especially bad by the fact that [[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark]] (the figurehead and commander of the Pro-Registration forces) [[MoralEventHorizon commissioned the manufacture of an extradimensional KZ]] in a dimension referred to as ''worse than {{Hell}}'' and employed largely unrepentant supervillains to hunt down Anti-Registration heroes, in addition to the fact that the Anti-Registration side got almost no ShootTheDog moments (and had ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, the BigGood of the Marvel Universe, as their own figurehead).
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* Marvel's ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' was intended to feature [[GreyandGrayMorality [[GreyAndGrayMorality ambiguous morals]] and sides that were not really more right than the other. In practice, the authors seemed to have missed the memo and increasingly portrayed the Pro-Registration side as the bad guys, made especially bad by the fact that [[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark]] (the figurehead and commander of the Pro-Registration forces) [[MoralEventHorizon commissioned the manufacture of an extradimensional KZ]] in a dimension referred to as ''worse than {{Hell}}'' and employed largely unrepentant supervillains to hunt down Anti-Registration heroes, in addition to the fact that the Anti-Registration side got almost no ShootTheDog moments (and had ComicBook/CaptainAmerica, the BigGood of the Marvel Universe, as their own figurehead).
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* ''Franchise/TheFlash'': The Rogues, [[TookALevelInJerkAss at least until]] ''ComicBook/DCRebirth'', anyway, were typically this next to other villains. They've outright been described in these terms, and frequently writers would have either ComicBook/WallyWest or Barry Allen discuss with them and/or others where the Rogues stand exactly. Captain Cold once helped fight Blacksmith and also took on the Keystone City mob by himself, and both times he was portrayed as more-or-less an AntiHero who happened to be a career thief and a colossal JerkAss. However, the people he was opposing were serious organised crime types who were more or less serious monsters, or at least employing monsters.
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* In ''Manga/BlackClover'', this is the conflict between the Clover Kingdom and the Elf Tribe. The main heroes are the Black Bulls, a group of Magic Knights much more moral than other squads, and the Wizard King Julius Novachrono, whose goal is to dismantle the social inequality within the stratified Clover Kingdom. That said, the kingdom is ruled by classist nobility who mistreat commoners, and many of the Magic Knights are corrupt, abusing their authority. Then there are the elves, a peaceful tribe massacred five centuries ago by humans who want to come back to life and get revenge. To accomplish this, the elves reincarnate into the bodies of, mostly, Magic Knights and try to kill every human in the kingdom. However, it's stated that what the Eye of the Midnight Sun did was wrong, with Yami calling out Licht for his justification. [[spoiler:After the mastermind of the elf genocide is revealed, Asta tells Patry that although he understands his reasons, he cannot forgive him for killing Julius and endangering countless innocent lives. However, he has enough sympathy to convince Patry to atone for his mistakes.]] Tabata himself stated that he intended to portray the elves not as villains but more as antagonists.
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* Claude from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemThreeHouses'' freely admits that he's a slippery, scheming bastard who shouldn't be trusted, but come the TimeSkip, he's actually the least morally compromised of the faction leaders: the others are [[spoiler: a VisionaryVillain who's willing to shed plenty of blood for her plans to come to fruition, a SociopathicHero who's consumed with fury, and the archbishop of a church that has lied to the people of Fodlan for goddess knows how many years.]] In comparison, Claude just wants to keep his nation out of their conflict.
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* Claude from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemThreeHouses'' freely admits that he's a slippery, scheming bastard who shouldn't be trusted, but come the TimeSkip, he's actually the least morally compromised of the faction leaders: the others are [[spoiler: a VisionaryVillain who's willing to shed plenty of blood for her plans to come to fruition, a SociopathicHero who's consumed with fury, and the archbishop of a church that has lied to the people of Fodlan for goddess knows how many years.]] In comparison, Claude just wants to keep his nation out of their conflict. Fittingly [[spoiler: he's the one main character who can potentially survive all 4 routes, in fact the only route where he ''can'' die is Edelgard's, and only if you go out of your way to not spare him.]]
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* The All Night Express were the lighter shade during their feud against [[Wrestling/TheWorldsGreatestTagTeam Wrestling's Greatest Tag Team]], at least after ''Boarder Wars'' in 2012. While both teams were made up of {{jerk jock}}s, the Express still respected their coworkers and the CodeOfHonor, while Charlie Haas and Shelton Benjamin had lost sight of why they appreciated Wrestling/RingOfHonor and its {{tag team}} division.[[/folder]]
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* The All Night Express were the lighter shade during their feud against [[Wrestling/TheWorldsGreatestTagTeam Wrestling's Greatest Tag Team]], at least after ''Boarder Wars'' in 2012. While both teams were made up of {{jerk jock}}s, the Express still respected their coworkers and the CodeOfHonor, while Charlie Haas and Shelton Benjamin Wrestling/SheltonBenjamin had lost sight of why they appreciated Wrestling/RingOfHonor and its {{tag team}} division.[[/folder]]
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* ''Manga/AttackOnTitan'': The [[spoiler:Eldia vs. Marley]] conflict is either this ''or'' ALighterShadeOfBlack. It's not entirely clear yet.
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* ''Film/ThePrestige'', is about the rivalry between magicians Robert Angier and Alfred Borden, with both men going to morally questionable lengths to outdo the other. However, in the end, [[spoiler:Borden]] comes off as the more sympathetic of the two when [[spoiler:Angier frames Borden for his murder, has him sentenced to death and takes his daughter into his custody.]]
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* King Foltest in ''Franchise/TheWitcher'' is regarded as a arrogant, sister-humping warmonger, but he ends up being one of the least morally-repugnant leaders in the series as well as the most moral monarchs in the Northern Kingdoms compared to others such as King Henselt of Kaedwin, who is your standard FatBastard, as well as King Radovid of Temeria, who is practically [[ANaziByAnyOtherName an Adolf Hitler stand-in]] by performing ethnic cleansing against undesirables (in this case magic users). Nilfgaard is ruled by Emperor Emhyr var Emreis, who is basically Fantasy UsefulNotes/JosephStalin by launching expansionist campaigns against other kingdoms that refuse to be absorbed into his empire and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness happily executing his own courtiers and military high command]] [[YouHaveFailedMe if they fail him in the slightest.]]
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* King Foltest in ''Franchise/TheWitcher'' is regarded as a arrogant, sister-humping warmonger, but he ends up being one of the least morally-repugnant leaders in the series as well as the most moral monarchs in the Northern Kingdoms compared to others such as King Henselt of Kaedwin, who is your standard FatBastard, as well as King Radovid of Temeria, who is practically [[ANaziByAnyOtherName an Adolf Hitler stand-in]] by performing ethnic cleansing against undesirables (in this case magic users). Nilfgaard is ruled by Emperor Emhyr var Emreis, who is basically Fantasy UsefulNotes/JosephStalin by launching expansionist campaigns against other any kingdoms that refuse to be forcibly absorbed into his empire empire, and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness happily executing his own courtiers and military high command]] [[YouHaveFailedMe if they fail him in the slightest.]]
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* King Foltest in ''Franchise/TheWitcher'' is regarded as a arrogant, sister-humping warmonger, but he ends up being one of the least morally-repugnant leaders in the series as well as the most moral monarchs in the Northern Kingdoms compared to others such as King Henselt of Kaedwin, who is your standard FatBastard, as well as King Radovid of Temeria, who is practically [[ANaziByAnyOtherName an Adolf Hitler stand-in]] by performing ethnic cleansing against undesirables (in this case magic users). Nilfgaard is ruled by Emperor Emhyr var Emreis, who is basically Fantasy UsefulNotes/JosephStalin by launching expansionist campaigns against other kingdoms that are generally regarded as inferiors and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness happily executing his own courtiers and military high command]] [[YouHaveFailedMe if they fail him in the slightest.]]
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* King Foltest in ''Franchise/TheWitcher'' is regarded as a arrogant, sister-humping warmonger, but he ends up being one of the least morally-repugnant leaders in the series as well as the most moral monarchs in the Northern Kingdoms compared to others such as King Henselt of Kaedwin, who is your standard FatBastard, as well as King Radovid of Temeria, who is practically [[ANaziByAnyOtherName an Adolf Hitler stand-in]] by performing ethnic cleansing against undesirables (in this case magic users). Nilfgaard is ruled by Emperor Emhyr var Emreis, who is basically Fantasy UsefulNotes/JosephStalin by launching expansionist campaigns against other kingdoms that are generally regarded as inferiors refuse to be absorbed into his empire and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness happily executing his own courtiers and military high command]] [[YouHaveFailedMe if they fail him in the slightest.]]
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* King Foltest in ''Franchise/TheWitcher'' is regarded as a arrogant, sister-humping warmonger, but he ends up being one of the least morally-repugnant leaders in the series as well as the most moral monarchs compared to others such as King Henselt of Kaedwin who is [[UsefulNotes/JosefStalin Fantasy Josef Stalin]], as well as King Radovid of Temeria and Emperor Emhyr var Emreis, both of whom are practically [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Adolf Hitler stand-ins]], performing cleansing against undesirables (in this case magic users) and the latter going on in expansionist campaigns against other kingdoms that are generally regarded as inferiors.
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* King Foltest in ''Franchise/TheWitcher'' is regarded as a arrogant, sister-humping warmonger, but he ends up being one of the least morally-repugnant leaders in the series as well as the most moral monarchs in the Northern Kingdoms compared to others such as King Henselt of Kaedwin Kaedwin, who is [[UsefulNotes/JosefStalin Fantasy Josef Stalin]], your standard FatBastard, as well as King Radovid of Temeria and Emperor Emhyr var Emreis, both of whom are Temeria, who is practically [[ANaziByAnyOtherName an Adolf Hitler stand-ins]], stand-in]] by performing ethnic cleansing against undesirables (in this case magic users) and the latter going on in users). Nilfgaard is ruled by Emperor Emhyr var Emreis, who is basically Fantasy UsefulNotes/JosephStalin by launching expansionist campaigns against other kingdoms that are generally regarded as inferiors. inferiors and [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness happily executing his own courtiers and military high command]] [[YouHaveFailedMe if they fail him in the slightest.]]
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** Celestial Being in ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00'' is definitely in the moral grey area: they are attempting world peace and unification, but their methods are essentially killing anyone who tries to start a war (or even ''promotes'' or ''prepares'' for war) in order to frighten people into non-violence. Their enemies are... well, the leading nations of the world, who are portrayed fairly realistically: a bit corrupt and doing a couple heinous things behind the scenes, but not openly malicious or oppressive. They become less gray and more white once Ribbons steps up his game as BigBad, though.
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** Celestial Being in ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam00'' is definitely in the moral grey area: they are attempting world peace and unification, but their methods are essentially killing anyone who tries to start a war (or even ''promotes'' or ''prepares'' for war) in order to frighten people into non-violence. Their enemies are... well, the leading nations of the world, who are portrayed fairly realistically: a bit corrupt and doing a couple heinous things behind the scenes, but not openly malicious or oppressive. They become less gray and more white once Ribbons steps up his game as BigBad, the [[BigBad villain]], though.
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* ''LightNovel/CrestOfTheStars'' [[SubvertedTrope subverts]] the usual portrayal of TheEmpire vs. TheFederation as a BlackAndGreyMorality: the [[FantasticRacism Four]] [[TheFederation Nations Alliance]] is the DesignatedVillain, while the [[WhatMeasureIsANonHuman Humankind]] [[TheEmpire Empire]] [[SpaceElves Abh]] is the DesignatedHero.
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* Claude from ''VideoGame/FireEmblemThreeHouses'' freely admits that he's a slippery, scheming bastard who shouldn't be trusted, but come the TimeSkip, he's actually the least morally compromised of the faction leaders: the others are [[spoiler: a VisionaryVillain who's willing to shed plenty of blood for her plans to come to fruition, a SociopathicHero who's consumed with fury, and the archbishop of a church that has lied to the people of Fodlan for goddess knows how many years.]] In comparison, Claude just wants to keep his nation out of their conflict.
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* In ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' and its TV adaptation ''Series/GameOfThrones'', House Stark is basically a mixture of decent-if-naive and normal-if-cynical people, though (by virtue of kicking their ass in a war a while back) unfortunately have [[TokenEvilTeammate House Bolton]] fighting for their side, who are a bunch of power-hungry sadists. Their arch-enemies House Lannister, however, while having somewhat decent-if-cynical-and-manipulative people like Tyrion (and, possibly, Jaime, though he has done some really bad stuff), or Cersei's innocent younger children, are generally a bunch of ruthless, backstabbing, power hungry assholes who are willing to put TheCaligula on the throne if [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans that is what keeps them in power]], and employ evil psychopaths like Gregor Clegane without batting an eye. And while Tywin, the head of the House, may be [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic]] enough to know how to run the economy properly and keep the peasants happy and well-fed, he is still a monumental {{Jerkass}} who has entire families butchered and treats his children like dirt.
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* In ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' and its TV adaptation ''Series/GameOfThrones'', House Stark is basically a mixture of decent-if-naive [[HonorBeforeReason decent-if-naive]] and normal-if-cynical [[KnightInSourArmor normal-if-cynical]] people, though (by virtue of kicking their ass in a war a while back) unfortunately have [[TokenEvilTeammate House Bolton]] fighting for their side, who are a bunch of power-hungry sadists. Their arch-enemies House Lannister, however, while having somewhat decent-if-cynical-and-manipulative people like Tyrion (and, possibly, Jaime, though he has done some really bad stuff), or Cersei's innocent younger children, are generally a bunch of ruthless, backstabbing, power hungry assholes who are willing to put TheCaligula on the throne if [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans that is what keeps them in power]], and employ evil psychopaths like Gregor Clegane without batting an eye. And while Tywin, the head of the House, may be [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic]] enough to know how to run the economy properly and keep the peasants happy and well-fed, he is still a monumental {{Jerkass}} who has entire families butchered and treats his children like dirt.
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* ''Webcomic/GeneralProtectionFault'' has the ongoing feud between Fred and Trent. Both sides flame each other online and play pranks on each other, to the point at which [[BenevolentBoss Dwayne]] tells them that he won't hesitate to fire them if they don't shape up, but Fred is the more sympathetic of the two. While he abuses his newfound MindControl ability to force Trent to sexually harass Sharon, expose himself to Dwayne and a customer, and ultimately get arrested, Trent actually tried to kill Fred by [[WeaksauceWeakness spraying him with cleaning fluid]]. Just as Fred accepts Nicole's advice and abandons his plans to sue Trent for libel, Trent manages to find a lawyer who will believe him and serves Fred with a lawsuit.
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* Both ''VideoGame/{{Fallout 3}}'' and ''VideoGame/FalloutNewVegas'' revolve around this conflict. It's less obvious in 3 as the Brotherhood act mostly as white knights, but are capable of doing very unpleasant things, such as murdering Ghouls on sight and killing civilans outside of Megaton. But not on the same scale as the Enclave who plan on killing anyone with even the slightest form of mutation. The NCR are a diverse, wealthy, democratic, powerful, prosperous, and expansionist federation that greatly improve standards of living in any given region, but they are often greedy and corrupt. In contrast to Caesar's Legion, an evil empire that endorses slavery, child soldiers, rape, paedophelia and torture, and Mr. House, a greedy, despotic, egotistical, dictator who is not above destroying factions that he considers a potential threat, they seem like saints.
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* In the conflict between [[spoiler: Akane and Delta]] in the ''VisualNovel/ZeroEscape'' trilogy both sides have [[WellIntentionedExtremist noble goals]] and a small graveyard of [[ShootTheDog dogs shot]] on the path to these goals. However while the former tries to minimise casualties and colateral damage whenever possible, the latter tends to be excesively cruel and some actions like [[spoiler: killing everyone except Diana]] in one of the endings of ''VisualNovel/ZeroTimeDilemma'' seem like [[KickTheDog pointless cruelty]], making [[spoiler: Akane]] a clearly lighter gray.
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* In the conflict between [[spoiler: Akane and Delta]] in the ''VisualNovel/ZeroEscape'' trilogy both sides have [[WellIntentionedExtremist noble goals]] and a small graveyard of [[ShootTheDog dogs shot]] on the path to these goals. However while the former tries to minimise casualties and colateral damage whenever possible, the latter tends to be excesively cruel and some actions like [[spoiler: killing everyone except Diana]] in one of the endings of ''VisualNovel/ZeroTimeDilemma'' seem like [[KickTheDog pointless cruelty]], making [[spoiler: Akane]] a clearly lighter gray.
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* In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics'', one side of the Lion War rallies behind Prince Goltana, the other behind Prince Larg, the church has got its fingers in the conflict, [[spoiler: not to mention the Lucavi,]] and then there's your player group. Out of the two main sides involved in the war, those siding with Prince Larg come out looking more like good guys, in general, by virtue of not having [[MagnificentBastard Delita]] on their side. Out of all groups, though, the player's party comes out looking like the best good guys of all, but whether that's due to the main character's [[UnwittingPawn being played]] or being honestly virtuous is a matter of debate.
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* In ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics'', one side of the Lion War rallies behind Prince Goltana, the other behind Prince Larg, the church has got its fingers in the conflict, [[spoiler: not to mention the Lucavi,]] and then there's your player group. Out of the two main sides involved in the war, those siding with Prince Larg come out looking more like good guys, in general, by virtue of not having [[MagnificentBastard Delita]] Delita on their side. Out of all groups, though, the player's party comes out looking like the best good guys of all, but whether that's due to the main character's [[UnwittingPawn being played]] or being honestly virtuous is a matter of debate.
