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7th Oct '17 4:47:53 AM WillBGood
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* In ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' the main characters go around destroying everything in their path and half of the party are anti-heroes of varying degrees. Their enemy, the Abbey however, are a group of WellIntentionedExtremists attempting to wipe out free will in order to rid the world of Malevolence, which causes humans to become Daemons [[spoiler: due to the effects of a curse placed on humans by the Seraphs of the Heavenly Realm]] who use very objectionable methods to achieve that end.

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* In ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' the main characters go around destroying everything in their path and half of the party are anti-heroes of varying degrees. Their enemy, the Abbey however, are a group of WellIntentionedExtremists {{Well Intentioned Extremist}}s attempting to wipe out free will in order to rid the world of Malevolence, which causes humans to become Daemons [[spoiler: due to the effects of a curse placed on humans by the Seraphs of the Heavenly Realm]] who use very objectionable methods to achieve that end.
2nd Oct '17 1:10:50 PM NNinja
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* ''Anime/CodeGeass'' clearly does favor Lelouch. However, his most frequently recurring antagonist, Suzaku, has the same goal and generally goes about it with ''less'' dog kicking than he does. [[spoiler: They end up on the same side by the end of the series.]]
** It flips once you get into R2, where Suzaku does his own share of dog-kicking, Lelouch gets turned into even more of a [[TheWoobie Woobie]] / [[TheChewToy Chew Toy]], and everybody betrays someone (especially [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Suzaku]]).
*** What's strange about Lelouch and Suzaku's morality throughout the show is that while Lelouch does more dog-kicking, [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone he generally feels bad about it.]] Suzaku, on the other hand, [[NeverMyFault always passes the blame onto someone else.]]
** The other shade of gray is Schniezel. He had the same world peace goal as the Lelouch and Suzaku [[spoiler: but he was going [[MoralEventHorizon way too far with his plan of nuking major cities from orbit]] and thus came out darker]].
*** [[spoiler: Lelouch said that Schniezel's plan would result in all progress grinding to a halt, whereas his own involved binding hate onto the regime to allow people to move more freely into the future.]]
** Also very prevalent in the ''[[Manga/CodeGeassNightmareOfNunnally Nightmare of Nunnally]]'' manga SpinOff, where ''everybody'' is flinging around the same phrase: "create a kind and gentle world". A lot of them also come off a lighter shade than in the anime.
* The protagonists of ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' almost all have a dark past - including genocide, in one case. And yet, they are a lighter shade of grey because they are now trying to do something to atone for that. But placing a character like Scar into clear black or white categories would be nearly impossible.

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* ''Anime/CodeGeass'' clearly does favor Lelouch. However, his most frequently recurring antagonist, Suzaku, has the same goal and generally goes about it with ''less'' dog kicking than he does. [[spoiler: They end up on the same side by the end of the series.]]
** It flips once you get into R2, where Suzaku does his own share of dog-kicking,
''Anime/CodeGeass'': Lelouch gets turned into even more of a [[TheWoobie Woobie]] / [[TheChewToy Chew Toy]], and everybody betrays someone (especially [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Suzaku]]).
*** What's strange about Lelouch and Suzaku's morality throughout
when compared to Schneisel near the show is that while Lelouch does more dog-kicking, [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone he generally feels bad about it.]] Suzaku, on the other hand, [[NeverMyFault always passes the blame onto someone else.]]
** The other shade of gray is Schniezel. He
end. Schneisel had the same world peace goal as the Lelouch and Suzaku [[spoiler: but he was going [[MoralEventHorizon way too far with his plan of nuking major cities from orbit]] and thus came out darker]].
*** [[spoiler: Lelouch said that Schniezel's plan would result in all progress grinding to a halt, whereas his own involved binding hate onto the regime to allow people to move more freely into the future.]]
** Also very prevalent in the ''[[Manga/CodeGeassNightmareOfNunnally Nightmare of Nunnally]]'' manga SpinOff, where ''everybody'' is flinging around the same phrase: "create a kind and gentle world". A lot of them also come off a lighter shade than in the anime.
* The protagonists of ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'' almost all have a dark past - including genocide, in one case. And yet, they are a lighter shade of grey because they are now trying to do something to atone for that. But placing a character like Scar into clear black or white categories would be nearly impossible.
darker]].
27th Jul '17 1:45:54 AM Bioshock
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** Of course, Mr. House is himself a Lighter Shade of Grey compared to the Legion. While by no means a nice man, he has no interest in actively persecuting the people of the Mojave and provided that they simply follow his rules and not remain a threat he runs a prosperous resort town open to anyone for the right price.

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** Of course, Mr. House is himself a Lighter Shade of Grey compared to the Legion. While by no means a nice man, he has no interest in actively persecuting the people of the Mojave and provided that they simply follow his rules and not remain a threat he runs a prosperous resort town open to anyone for the right price. If one takes a harsh enough view of the NCR's problems with corruption and imperialism and believes Mr. House genuinely wants to help humanity and has the means to do so the player can even view him as a lighter shade of grey to the NCR, especially since under [[GeneralRipper Colonel Moore]] the NCR is ''also'' willing to wipe out rival factions and commit political assassinations against potential threats.
24th Jul '17 8:01:52 AM NNinja
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* In the conflict between [[spoiler: Akane and Delta]] in ''VisualNovel/ZeroEscape'' trilogy both sides have [[WellIntentionedExtremist noble goals]] and small graveyard of [[ShootTheDog dogs shot]] on the path to these goals. However while the former tries to minimise casualties and colateral damage whenever possible, the latter tends to be excesively cruel and some actions like [[spoiler: killing everyone except Diana]] in one of the endings of ''VisualNovel/ZeroTimeDilemma'' seem like [[KickTheDog pointless cruelty]], making [[spoiler: Akane]] clearly lighter gray than the other.
24th Jul '17 7:38:38 AM NNinja
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* A general theme in ''Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei'''s driving OrderVersusChaos conflict. Which side is less grey is left entirely up to the player, ostensibly with all having equal ups and downs... but the general consensus is that Law is Darkest Shade, and while there is some debate, Neutral is often seen as a fair bit lighter than Chaos (particularly after the games began to be tailored to not offend a Western audience).
** Order views humanity as cattle and labor, [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill desiring to destroy anything resembling free will]] or independent thought, complete with the murder of any who might threaten that 'ideal' or resist brainwashing independent thought away... but also offers an endgame plan where everyone is safe and protected, all needs met, suffering unknown and life-ruining social turmoil unheard of (even if the price is GettingSmiliesPaintedOnYourSoul and spending eternity singing the praises of [[GodIsEvil YHVH]]).
** Chaos wants nature red in tooth and claw, where cooperation is unheard of and only those whose talents happen to lie in killing things can survive and/or thrive... but also wants to preserve the freedom to choose what kind of life you want to live and to think for yourself, and to remove all artificial social restrictions holding people back from achieving their potential (if you have the necessary power to make it to the top of the food chain, of course).
** Neutral doesn't and cannot have an endgame plan, and only seeks to either [[OmnicidalNeutral destroy everything]] or [[SealedEvilInACan kick the can down the road on either of the other sides winning]], either way guaranteeing tremendous suffering at some point... but also offering either the opportunity to end a ViciousCycle or at least temporarily defend the status quo against parties that may be perceived as wanting to make it worse (even if it won't last).
1st May '17 11:53:38 PM Delightified
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* In ''VideoGame/TalesofBerseria'' the main characters go around destroying everything in their path and half of the party are anti-heroes of varying degrees. Their enemy, the Abbey however, are a group of WellIntentionedExtremists attempting to wipe out free will in order to rid the world of Malevolence, which causes humans to become Daemons [[spoiler: due to the effects of a curse placed on humans by the Seraphs of the Heavenly Realm]] who use *very* objectionable methods to achieve that end.

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* In ''VideoGame/TalesofBerseria'' ''VideoGame/TalesOfBerseria'' the main characters go around destroying everything in their path and half of the party are anti-heroes of varying degrees. Their enemy, the Abbey however, are a group of WellIntentionedExtremists attempting to wipe out free will in order to rid the world of Malevolence, which causes humans to become Daemons [[spoiler: due to the effects of a curse placed on humans by the Seraphs of the Heavenly Realm]] who use *very* very objectionable methods to achieve that end.
1st May '17 11:52:40 PM Delightified
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* In ''VideoGame/TalesofBerseria'' the main characters go around destroying everything in their path and half of the party are anti-heroes of varying degrees. Their enemy, the Abbey however, are a group of WellIntentionedExtremists attempting to wipe out free will in order to rid the world of Malevolence, which causes humans to become Daemons [[spoiler: due to the effects of a curse placed on humans by the Seraphs of the Heavenly Realm]] who use *very* objectionable methods to achieve that end.
12th Mar '17 1:35:51 PM philfredobob
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* King Folstet in ''Franchise/TheWitcher'' is regarded as a arrogant, sister-humping warmonger, but he ends up being one of the least morally-repugnant leaders in the series as well as the most moral monarchs compared to others such as King Helsent of Kaedwin who is [[UsefulNotes/JosefStalin Fantasy Josef Stalin]], as well as King Radovid of Temeria and Emperor Emhyr var Emreis, both of whom are practically [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Adolf Hitler stand-ins]], performing cleansing against undesirables (in this case magic users) and the latter going on in expansionist campaigns against other kingdoms that are generally regarded as inferiors.

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* King Folstet Foltest in ''Franchise/TheWitcher'' is regarded as a arrogant, sister-humping warmonger, but he ends up being one of the least morally-repugnant leaders in the series as well as the most moral monarchs compared to others such as King Helsent Henselt of Kaedwin who is [[UsefulNotes/JosefStalin Fantasy Josef Stalin]], as well as King Radovid of Temeria and Emperor Emhyr var Emreis, both of whom are practically [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Adolf Hitler stand-ins]], performing cleansing against undesirables (in this case magic users) and the latter going on in expansionist campaigns against other kingdoms that are generally regarded as inferiors.
12th Feb '17 9:30:37 AM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'': Despite the series' overwhelming BlackAndGrayMorality, characters like the Starks, Tyrion Lannister, and Daenerys Targaryen are portrayed sympathetically despite their more heinous actions.
20th Dec '16 8:13:32 PM Jay_Jay96
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*** What's strange about Lelouch and Suzaku's morality throughout the show is that while Lelouch does more dog-kicking, [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone he generally feels bad about it.]] Suzaku, on the other hand, [[NeverMyFault always passes the blame onto someone else.]]
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