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5th Nov '16 10:59:03 AM nombretomado
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* ''IlivaisX'' inverts the usual here: Iriana may have been horribly broken by the Aztec Empire, but her goal isn't REALLY to end the war and create a free society, it's to get revenge. Meanwhile, both empires have been at war with each other for centuries, but they're mostly not bad people, and they've maintained a society that works very nicely for the people in all that time.

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* ''IlivaisX'' ''Literature/IlivaisX'' inverts the usual here: Iriana may have been horribly broken by the Aztec Empire, but her goal isn't REALLY to end the war and create a free society, it's to get revenge. Meanwhile, both empires have been at war with each other for centuries, but they're mostly not bad people, and they've maintained a society that works very nicely for the people in all that time.
5th Nov '16 7:31:42 AM MGD107
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* From ''Series/{{Merlin|2008}}'', Merlin is a Type III AntiHero and Morgana is a WellIntentionedExtremist with ''very'' good reasons to want all of Camelot dead. Merlin has done nearly all the things Morgana has done, but he mostly does them reluctantly and Morgana often looks for an excuse to do them. Again, it's justified by her backstory [[note]] Look at BecameTheirOwnAntithesis for it[[/note]] but Merlin's still more sympathetic.
16th Oct '16 9:42:06 AM nombretomado
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* In ''FinalFantasyTactics'', one side of the Lion War rallies behind Prince Goltana, the other behind Prince Larg, the church has got its fingers in the conflict, [[spoiler: not to mention the Lucavi,]] and then there's your player group. Out of the two main sides involved in the war, those siding with Prince Larg come out looking more like good guys, in general, by virtue of not having [[MagnificentBastard Delita]] on their side. Out of all groups, though, the player's party comes out looking like the best good guys of all, but whether that's due to the main character's [[UnwittingPawn being played]] or being honestly virtuous is a matter of debate.

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* In ''FinalFantasyTactics'', ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyTactics'', one side of the Lion War rallies behind Prince Goltana, the other behind Prince Larg, the church has got its fingers in the conflict, [[spoiler: not to mention the Lucavi,]] and then there's your player group. Out of the two main sides involved in the war, those siding with Prince Larg come out looking more like good guys, in general, by virtue of not having [[MagnificentBastard Delita]] on their side. Out of all groups, though, the player's party comes out looking like the best good guys of all, but whether that's due to the main character's [[UnwittingPawn being played]] or being honestly virtuous is a matter of debate.
10th Sep '16 4:13:56 PM TheNerevarine
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* The Five in ''{{ComicBook/Birthright}}'' are a ragtag group of mages from another dimension that are sworn to defend Earth from an extremely powerful entity that has taken control of their home. With that said, their members range from being selfish that are OnlyInItForTheMoney to [[KnightTemplar Knight Templars]] that have no problem murdering innocents, and as a whole, the group is largely indifferent to collateral damage so long its to stop their enemy from invading Earth although, in order for him to do this, he has to kill each of the Five who serve as [[BarrierMaiden living barriers]]. It speaks volumes that the nicest member of the group is treated as a deadbeat parent to their family.


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* King Folstet in ''Franchise/TheWitcher'' is regarded as a arrogant, sister-humping warmonger, but he ends up being one of the least morally-repugnant leaders in the series as well as the most moral monarchs compared to others such as King Helsent of Kaedwin who is [[UsefulNotes/JosefStalin Fantasy Josef Stalin]], as well as King Radovid of Temeria and Emperor Emhyr var Emreis, both of whom are practically [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Adolf Hitler stand-ins]], performing cleansing against undesirables (in this case magic users) and the latter going on in expansionist campaigns against other kingdoms that are generally regarded as inferiors.
21st Aug '16 2:24:22 AM ElectroKraken
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* '''VideoGame/{{Madworld}}''. Jack, by his own words kills people rather than helping them and participates in a snuff competition, Death Watch. [[spoiler: Leo's Dad]] organized Death Watch [[spoiler: as a cover to show off his virus which, in the context of Death Watch all it did was clear out most of the innocent bystanders, cleanly overshadowed by THE FUCKING DEATH WATCH.]] And [[spoiler: Leo]] is even worse, who helped with the plan ForTheEvulz. So naturally Jack kills them all with relish.

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* '''VideoGame/{{Madworld}}''.''VideoGame/{{Madworld}}''. Jack, by his own words kills people rather than helping them and participates in a snuff competition, Death Watch. [[spoiler: Leo's Dad]] organized Death Watch [[spoiler: as a cover to show off his virus which, in the context of Death Watch all it did was clear out most of the innocent bystanders, cleanly overshadowed by THE FUCKING DEATH WATCH.]] And [[spoiler: Leo]] is even worse, who helped with the plan ForTheEvulz. So naturally Jack kills them all with relish.
29th Jun '16 11:05:26 AM JamesAustin
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-> "Most humans are grey. And our job is to chastise the darker grey, correct?"
--> -- ''Manga/{{Bokurano}}'', chapter 39 page 19.

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-> "Most ->''"Most humans are grey. And our job is to chastise the darker grey, correct?"
--> -- ''Manga/{{Bokurano}}'',
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-->--''Manga/{{Bokurano}}'',
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17th May '16 3:24:28 AM Doug86
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* In ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' and its TV adaptation ''GameOfThrones'', House Stark is basically a mixture of decent-if-naive and normal-if-cynical people, though (by virtue of kicking their ass in a war a while back) unfortunately have [[TokenEvilTeammate House Bolton]] fighting for their side, who are a bunch of power-hungry sadists. Their arch-enemies House Lannister, however, while having somewhat decent-if-cynical-and-manipulative people like Tyrion (and, possibly, Jaime, though he has done some really bad stuff), or Cersei's innocent younger children, are generally a bunch of ruthless, backstabbing, power hungry assholes who are willing to put TheCaligula on the throne if [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans that is what keeps them in power]], and employ evil psychopaths like Gregor Clegane without batting an eye. And while Tywin, the head of the House, may be [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic]] enough to know how to run the economy properly and keep the peasants happy and well-fed, he is still a monumental {{Jerkass}} who has entire families butchered and treats his children like dirt.

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* In ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' and its TV adaptation ''GameOfThrones'', ''Series/GameOfThrones'', House Stark is basically a mixture of decent-if-naive and normal-if-cynical people, though (by virtue of kicking their ass in a war a while back) unfortunately have [[TokenEvilTeammate House Bolton]] fighting for their side, who are a bunch of power-hungry sadists. Their arch-enemies House Lannister, however, while having somewhat decent-if-cynical-and-manipulative people like Tyrion (and, possibly, Jaime, though he has done some really bad stuff), or Cersei's innocent younger children, are generally a bunch of ruthless, backstabbing, power hungry assholes who are willing to put TheCaligula on the throne if [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans that is what keeps them in power]], and employ evil psychopaths like Gregor Clegane without batting an eye. And while Tywin, the head of the House, may be [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic]] enough to know how to run the economy properly and keep the peasants happy and well-fed, he is still a monumental {{Jerkass}} who has entire families butchered and treats his children like dirt.
13th May '16 11:35:38 PM Doug86
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* In ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' and its TV adaptation ''GameOfThrones'', House Stark is basically a mixture of decent-if-naive and normal-if-cynical people, though (by virtue of kicking their ass in a war a while back) unfortunately have [[TokenEvilTeammate House Bolton]] fighting for their side, who are a bunch of power-hungry sadists. Their arch-enemies House Lannister, however, while having somewhat decent-if-cynical-and-manipulative people like Tyrion (and, possibly, Jaime, though he has done some really bad stuff), or Cersei's innocent younger children, are generally a bunch of ruthless, backstabbing, power hungry assholes who are willing to put TheCaligula on the throne if [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans that is what keeps them in power]], and employ evil psychopaths like Gregor Clegane without batting an eye. And while Tywin, the head of the House, may be [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic]] enough to know how to run the economy properly and keep the peasants happy and well-fed, he is still a monumental {{Jerkass}} who has entire families butchered and treats his children like dirt.

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* In ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' and its TV adaptation ''GameOfThrones'', House Stark is basically a mixture of decent-if-naive and normal-if-cynical people, though (by virtue of kicking their ass in a war a while back) unfortunately have [[TokenEvilTeammate House Bolton]] fighting for their side, who are a bunch of power-hungry sadists. Their arch-enemies House Lannister, however, while having somewhat decent-if-cynical-and-manipulative people like Tyrion (and, possibly, Jaime, though he has done some really bad stuff), or Cersei's innocent younger children, are generally a bunch of ruthless, backstabbing, power hungry assholes who are willing to put TheCaligula on the throne if [[DespotismJustifiesTheMeans that is what keeps them in power]], and employ evil psychopaths like Gregor Clegane without batting an eye. And while Tywin, the head of the House, may be [[PragmaticVillainy pragmatic]] enough to know how to run the economy properly and keep the peasants happy and well-fed, he is still a monumental {{Jerkass}} who has entire families butchered and treats his children like dirt.
5th May '16 4:58:05 PM Az_Tech341
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ALighterShadeOfBlack is this trope's EvilCounterpart. As usual, this is not one of the [[Literature/FiftyShadesOfGrey 50 Shades of Grey]].

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ALighterShadeOfBlack is this trope's EvilCounterpart. As usual, Of course, this is not one of the [[Literature/FiftyShadesOfGrey 50 Shades of Grey]].
25th Apr '16 5:53:37 AM StFan
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* ''Comicbook/VForVendetta'' is something like this. On one hand, it's a struggle between a repressive fascist government which may nevertheless be humanity's last hope in a nuclear-holocaust blighted world, and a fanatical anarchist terrorist who has absolutely no qualms about blowing up buildings and killing people to get his way, and whose efforts may ultimately doom humanity. On the other, however, the government is genocidal (having wiped out racial minorities and the LGBT population, amongst others) and composed pretty much entirely of hateful, dysfunctional and irredeemable bastards, while V is an incredibly charismatic guy who only lost his sanity after said regime used him for experimentation fodder, and who we first see rescuing a young girl from government hired rapists, and who comes to happily admit that [[NoPlaceForMeThere he's got no place in the better world he's trying to create]]. It's certainly not a black and white situation, but it's hard to argue that V doesn't come across as a hell of a lot more sympathetic than the Norsefire government.

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* ''Comicbook/VForVendetta'' ''ComicBook/VForVendetta'' is something like this. On one hand, it's a struggle between a repressive fascist government which may nevertheless be humanity's last hope in a nuclear-holocaust blighted world, and a fanatical anarchist terrorist who has absolutely no qualms about blowing up buildings and killing people to get his way, and whose efforts may ultimately doom humanity. On the other, however, the government is genocidal (having wiped out racial minorities and the LGBT population, amongst others) and composed pretty much entirely of hateful, dysfunctional and irredeemable bastards, while V is an incredibly charismatic guy who only lost his sanity after said regime used him for experimentation fodder, and who we first see rescuing a young girl from government hired rapists, and who comes to happily admit that [[NoPlaceForMeThere he's got no place in the better world he's trying to create]]. It's certainly not a black and white situation, but it's hard to argue that V doesn't come across as a hell of a lot more sympathetic than the Norsefire government.



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* Played with in ''FanFic/DungeonKeeperAmi'' in an interesting manner. The world of ''VideoGame/DungeonKeeper'' works under the principle of BlackAndWhiteMorality and the ''Anime/SailorMoon'' world is the same. However, due to circumstances, Ami (who bonded to a villainous artifact, but is a Heroine) actually creates shades of grey, both in the ranks of the villains, and the heroes. Cathy and Jered, for example, darken. [[spoiler: Jadite]] on the other hand, lightens quite a bit.

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* Played with in ''FanFic/DungeonKeeperAmi'' ''Fanfic/DungeonKeeperAmi'' in an interesting manner. The world of ''VideoGame/DungeonKeeper'' works under the principle of BlackAndWhiteMorality and the ''Anime/SailorMoon'' world is the same. However, due to circumstances, Ami (who bonded to a villainous artifact, but is a Heroine) actually creates shades of grey, both in the ranks of the villains, and the heroes. Cathy and Jered, for example, darken. [[spoiler: Jadite]] on the other hand, lightens quite a bit.



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* House Atreides in ''{{Franchise/Dune}}'' is a good example of this trope, although ''Literature/{{Dune}}'' is only GreyAndGreyMorality if you consider the 'other side' to ultimately include the Corrino Emperor rather than just being the AlwaysChaoticEvil Harkonnens.

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* House Atreides in ''{{Franchise/Dune}}'' ''Franchise/{{Dune}}'' is a good example of this trope, although ''Literature/{{Dune}}'' is only GreyAndGreyMorality if you consider the 'other side' to ultimately include the Corrino Emperor rather than just being the AlwaysChaoticEvil Harkonnens.



* ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' is much less black and white as the seasons progress. Especially when you have angels whom are just as bad as the demons on the show. Maybe even worse. Sam and Dean in particular are the series protagonist but at their worst can tend to fall into KnightTemplar territory when backed against the wall and especially when either of their lives are at stake and is more than willing to put innocents lives at risk for the sake of their own. Yet they're mankind's only hope against supernatural threats that would have no qualms in wiping out humanity.

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* ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'' is much less black and white as the seasons progress. Especially when you have angels whom are just as bad as the demons on the show. Maybe even worse. Sam and Dean in particular are the series protagonist series' protagonists but at their worst can tend to fall into KnightTemplar territory when backed against the wall and especially when either of their lives are at stake and is more than willing to put innocents lives at risk for the sake of their own. Yet they're mankind's only hope against supernatural threats that would have no qualms in wiping out humanity.



* Very much the case on ''TrueBlood''. [[AntiVillain Vampires]] [[FriendlyNeighborhoodVampire publicly try to fit in with human society]], while [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveSupernaturalPowers utterly ignoring human law and morality every chance they get]]. They frequently commit murder, mind control people, imprison them, perform torture and engage in a wide range of other criminal behaviors. The main romantic leads of the series are not exceptions, but are not only hugely attractive to the heroine, but to the [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys female fanbase at large]]. To keep this from becoming a ALighterShadeOfBlack situation, efforts are usually made to make the vampire protagonists at least [[AffablyEvil superficially]] [[EvilIsSexy appealing]], while introducing enemies that seem to be [[BigBad much worse]] which they will help save the day from.

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* Very much the case on ''TrueBlood''.''Series/TrueBlood''. [[AntiVillain Vampires]] [[FriendlyNeighborhoodVampire publicly try to fit in with human society]], while [[ScrewTheRulesIHaveSupernaturalPowers utterly ignoring human law and morality every chance they get]]. They frequently commit murder, mind control people, imprison them, perform torture and engage in a wide range of other criminal behaviors. The main romantic leads of the series are not exceptions, but are not only hugely attractive to the heroine, but to the [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys female fanbase at large]]. To keep this from becoming a ALighterShadeOfBlack situation, efforts are usually made to make the vampire protagonists at least [[AffablyEvil superficially]] [[EvilIsSexy appealing]], while introducing enemies that seem to be [[BigBad much worse]] which they will help save the day from.



* The conflict between alternate universes was mostly portrayed this way in ''Series/{{Fringe}}''. It was often commented on by critics that the only reason viewers sympathised with the prime universe over the alternate is because the focus was on the prime universe (when [[spoiler:the two sides declared a truce and audiences saw the alternate universe ''not'' trying to wipe out the prime]], they became a lot more sympathetic). It should be noted that the origin of the conflict was a child abduction perpetrated by someone from the prime universe.
** To make it grey-er, the abduction ''saved the child's life'' (and was initially meant to last only long enough to do just that before returning him).
* From ''{{Series/Merlin}}'', Merlin is a Type III AntiHero and Morgana is a WellIntentionedExtremist with ''very'' good reasons to want all of Camelot dead. Merlin has done nearly all the things Morgana has done, but he mostly does them reluctantly and Morgana often looks for an excuse to do them. Again, it's justified by her backstory [[note]] Look at BecameTheirOwnAntithesis for it[[/note]] but Merlin's still more sympathetic.

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* The conflict between alternate universes was mostly portrayed this way in ''Series/{{Fringe}}''. It was often commented on by critics that the only reason viewers sympathised sympathized with the prime universe over the alternate is because the focus was on the prime universe (when [[spoiler:the two sides declared a truce and audiences saw the alternate universe ''not'' trying to wipe out the prime]], they became a lot more sympathetic). It should be noted that the origin of the conflict was a child abduction perpetrated by someone from the prime universe.
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universe. To make it grey-er, the abduction ''saved the child's life'' (and was initially meant to last only long enough to do just that before returning him).
* From ''{{Series/Merlin}}'', ''Series/{{Merlin|2008}}'', Merlin is a Type III AntiHero and Morgana is a WellIntentionedExtremist with ''very'' good reasons to want all of Camelot dead. Merlin has done nearly all the things Morgana has done, but he mostly does them reluctantly and Morgana often looks for an excuse to do them. Again, it's justified by her backstory [[note]] Look at BecameTheirOwnAntithesis for it[[/note]] but Merlin's still more sympathetic.



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* In ''{{Drowtales}}'', it's WordOfGod that "There are no heroes or villains", but [[http://wiki.drowtales.com/index.php/Nidraa%27chal the Nidraa'chal clan]] is "the threat".

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* In ''{{Drowtales}}'', ''Webcomic/{{Drowtales}}'', it's WordOfGod that "There are no heroes or villains", but [[http://wiki.drowtales.com/index.php/Nidraa%27chal the Nidraa'chal clan]] is "the threat".



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