Follow TV Tropes

Following

History Literature / TheIliad

Go To

OR

Added: 875

Changed: 314

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* AdvantageBall: The battle goes this way and that, depending on which side the gods are currently favoring. The advantage is indicated by one side's champions being temporarily invinicible: first Diomedes, then Hector, and finally Achilles.

to:

* AdvantageBall: The battle goes this way and that, depending on which side the gods are currently favoring. The advantage is indicated by one side's champions being temporarily invinicible: invincible: first Diomedes, then Hector, and finally Achilles.



* BashBrothers: Greater Ajax and his [[SiblingTeam illegitimate brother]] Teucer. Typically the latter will hide behind Ajax's shield and fire over it, providing long-range support, while Ajax handles the melee. It's rather heartwarming when you realise that, despite Teucer's bastard status, the two of them are very close.

to:

* BashBrothers: Greater Ajax and his [[SiblingTeam illegitimate brother]] Teucer. Typically the latter will hide behind Ajax's shield and fire over it, providing long-range support, while Ajax handles the melee. It's rather heartwarming when you realise realize that, despite Teucer's bastard status, the two of them are very close.



* CombatByChampion: Menelaus vs. Paris, Hector vs. Ajax.

to:

* CombatByChampion: Menelaus vs. Paris, Hector vs. Ajax. Menelaus and Paris' duel even was proposed to give "Helen and all her possessions" to the victor which could have stopped the war right there, but Aphrodite whisks Paris away from his now-certain defeat and one of the gods restarts the war by causing the Trojan Pandarus to shoot at Menelaus to ruin the truce.


Added DiffLines:

* ImmediateSelfContradiction: When Paris strides out yelling if any of the Achaeans will challenge him, Menelaus unsurprisingly is eager to accept it - and then Paris just steps back behind the Trojans' ranks until Hector berates him and gets him to agree to a CombatByChampion.


Added DiffLines:

* LoverAndBeloved: Achilles and Patroclus aren't explicitly a gay couple ([[AmbiguouslyBi thought they are frequently considered so]]), but [[AnachronismStew due to erastes and eromenos being a social norm in 5th century Greece]], people of that time argued which one was which since they did not fit neatly with the dynamic - Achilles is the younger one of the two and Patroclus trained him before the war, but Achilles is also the more skillful and directing of the two. Plato's ''{{Literature/Symposium}}'' even has a character (Phaedrus) laying out the argument that Achilles was the eromenos.

Added: 167

Changed: 341

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* BadassBoast: Practically half the book is composed of lengthy exchanges of these. Diomedes delivers a pretty spectacular one in Book Six: "Who are you, my fine friend? - another born to die? I've never noticed you on the lines where we win glory, not till now. But here you come, charging out in front of all the rest with such bravado, daring to face the flying shadow of my spear. Pity those whose sons stand up to me in war! ...If you're a man who eats the crops of the earth, a mortal born for death - here, come closer, the sooner you will meet your day to die!"

to:

* BadassBoast: Practically half the book is composed of lengthy exchanges of these. Diomedes delivers a pretty spectacular one in Book Six: "Who are you, my fine friend? - -- another born to die? I've never noticed you on the lines where we win glory, not till now. But here you come, charging out in front of all the rest with such bravado, daring to face the flying shadow of my spear. Pity those whose sons stand up to me in war! ...If you're a man who eats the crops of the earth, a mortal born for death - -- here, come closer, the sooner you will meet your day to die!"



** Agamemnon has a breastplate decorated with bands of gold, tin and cobalt, and a silver sword belt. He and several others have swords with hilts decorated in silver.



* DamnedByFaintPraise: One of the biggest signs of Paris's uselessness is his comparative lack of epithets - while everyone else gets "man-killer", "brilliant", or "leader of men", the only epithets Paris receives refer to his good looks and his birth, suggesting they're all he has going for him.

to:

* DamnedByFaintPraise: One of the biggest signs of Paris's uselessness is his comparative lack of epithets - -- while everyone else gets "man-killer", "brilliant", or "leader of men", the only epithets Paris receives refer to his good looks and his birth, suggesting they're all he has going for him.



* LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters: And roughly 70% of them [[KillEmAll get killed off]] - within two paragraphs of being introduced.

to:

* LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters: And roughly 70% of them [[KillEmAll get killed off]] - -- within two paragraphs of being introduced.



** Diomedes, "Cunning of God", which makes sense since he is the favored warrior of Athena and is an accomplice of Odysseus, as well as the one with most battle experience out of all the Greek Warriors, next to Nestor.
** Achilles, whose name some believe derives from "akhos", a Greek word for "grief". Achilles is famous for his wrath, but it's his grief that motivates him to his greatest deeds.
* MenDontCry: In spite of Greek culture not looking down on crying as unmanly, in book 16 the crabby Achilles asks Patroclus why he's crying, comparing him to a blubbering baby girl begging for her mama.

to:

** Diomedes, "Cunning of God", which makes sense since he is the favored warrior of Athena and is an accomplice of Odysseus, as well as the one with most battle experience out of all the Greek Warriors, warriors, next to Nestor.
** Achilles, whose name some believe derives from "akhos", ''akhos'', a Greek word for "grief". Achilles is famous for his wrath, but it's his grief that motivates him to his greatest deeds.
deeds. One particular interpretation is that the second part of his name comes from ''laos'', "people" or "army." As the very first lines of the poem speak of the grievous losses that his anger brings on his own people, "the grief of his people" is an apt name.
* MenDontCry: In spite of Mostly averted, as Greek culture not looking didn't look down on crying as unmanly, but played straight in book 16 16, when the crabby Achilles asks Patroclus why he's crying, comparing him to a blubbering baby girl begging for her mama.



** One of the Ajaces' patronym is Oileades (son of Oileus) - and there's another soldier by that name briefly mentioned as well.
** One of Achilles' female slaves is named Diomedes, or the feminine form of the name.

to:

** One of the Ajaces' patronym is Oileades (son of Oileus) - -- and there's another soldier by that name briefly mentioned as well.
** One of Achilles' female slaves is named Diomedes, or Diomede, the feminine form of the name.Diomedes.



** Paris is such a {{Jerkass}} that Helen doesn't mention him in any meaningful way over her ''half-page'' of grieving over Hector. She doesn't even name him as the only other person who's still nice to her--no, that goes to ''Priam''. [[SarcasmMode Nice work, Paris.]]

to:

** Paris is such a {{Jerkass}} that Helen doesn't mention him in any meaningful way over her ''half-page'' of grieving over Hector. She doesn't even name him as the only other person who's still nice to her--no, her -- no, that goes to ''Priam''. [[SarcasmMode Nice work, Paris.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
grammar


* WetBlanketWife: In book 6, Andromache tries to dissuades her husband Hector from returning to combat: "Nay, Hector, thou art to me father and queenly mother, thou art brother, and thou art my stalwart husband. Come now, have pity, and remain here on the wall, lest thou make thy child an orphan and thy wife a widow."

to:

* WetBlanketWife: In book 6, Andromache tries to dissuades dissuade her husband Hector from returning to combat: "Nay, Hector, thou art to me father and queenly mother, thou art brother, and thou art my stalwart husband. Come now, have pity, and remain here on the wall, lest thou make thy child an orphan and thy wife a widow."
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:

Added DiffLines:

* WetBlanketWife: In book 6, Andromache tries to dissuades her husband Hector from returning to combat: "Nay, Hector, thou art to me father and queenly mother, thou art brother, and thou art my stalwart husband. Come now, have pity, and remain here on the wall, lest thou make thy child an orphan and thy wife a widow."
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* TheDreaded: Hector names three Achaian warriors he'd rather not fight: Diomedes, Ajax the Great, and Agamemnon. The latter shows [[TheBerserker why]] during book 11, when [[OneManArmy he single-handedly drives the Trojans back to the walls]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** In another [[UnwantedSpouse point]] [[TheLoad against]] him, Paris does ''not'' defend Helen when others accuse her of this. That's Hector's job. Or, it ''[[TearJerker was]]''.

to:

** In another [[UnwantedSpouse point]] [[TheLoad against]] him, Paris does ''not'' defend Helen when others accuse her of this. That's Hector's job. Or, it ''[[TearJerker was]]''.Helen laments in her DueToTheDead that ''Hector'' was the one doing that.

Added: 579

Changed: 491

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* AchillesInHisTent: Achilles refuses to come out and fight due to a squabble with Agamemnon. Agamemnon tries to coax Achilles back by meeting the demands he originally made before the new threat, but Achilles [[OffTheTable now refuses them]]. Also, in stark contrast to modern examples, Achilles does not learn AnAesop about teamwork or friendship. He re-enters battle out of pure blood rage, after Patroclus kicks the bucket, and winds up forming an OddFriendship with the enemy king instead of with Agamemnon.

to:

* AchillesInHisTent: AchillesInHisTent:
**
Achilles refuses to come out and fight due to a squabble with Agamemnon. Agamemnon tries to coax Achilles back by meeting the demands he originally made before the new threat, but Achilles [[OffTheTable now refuses them]]. Also, in stark contrast to modern examples, Achilles does not learn AnAesop about teamwork or friendship. He re-enters battle out of pure blood rage, after Patroclus kicks the bucket, and winds up forming an OddFriendship with the enemy king instead of with Agamemnon.Agamemnon.
** Nestor tells the tale of the Greek hero Menander who behaved in a similar fashion.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: Hector stays outside to face Achilles because he fears receiving this for his tactical misjudgement.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* AnachronismStew: Incorporates both armour and fighting styles from Homer's own time and elements of Mycenean warfare from centuries earlier.

Added: 709

Changed: 608

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* DesecratingTheDead: Achilles slays the Trojan warrior Hector for killing his much-loved cousin and best friend (and probably lover) Patrocles. After doing so, he ties Hector's body to the back of his chariot and races around the Trojan beach, proclaiming Greek superiority to Troy for twelve days and twelve nights. The Trojans [[AchillesHeel do get their revenge]], though, and even the Gods themselves eventually get offended by Achilles's actions -- it is the involvement of the Gods that prevents Hector's corpse from being further mutilated, and the end of the Iliad involves Hector getting a proper burial by the Trojans.

to:

* DesecratingTheDead: DesecratingTheDead:
**
Achilles slays the Trojan warrior Hector for killing his much-loved cousin and best friend (and probably lover) Patrocles. After doing so, he ties Hector's body to the back of his chariot and races around the Trojan beach, proclaiming Greek superiority to Troy for twelve days and twelve nights. The Trojans [[AchillesHeel do get their revenge]], though, and even the Gods themselves eventually get offended by Achilles's actions -- it is the involvement of the Gods that prevents Hector's corpse from being further mutilated, and the end of the Iliad involves Hector getting a proper burial by the Trojans.
** In general, all heroes habitually strip their victims of their armour the moment they kill them.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Greek chariots had a different evolution and were primarily battlefield taxis.


* HollywoodTactics: Proving this trope OlderThanFeudalism, Homer does correctly realize that Mycenaean Greeks preferred using chariots in battle, rather than the modern-at-the-time hoplite warfare. However, many historians believe that he was inexperienced with how chariots tended to be used in battle: while most chariot-users favored staying in the chariot and using its mobility and power to either crush formations or stay at a distance lobbing projectiles, Homer depicts them as being used mostly for ferrying individual warriors around so that they can duel their opponents in single combat.

to:

* HollywoodTactics: Proving this trope OlderThanFeudalism, Homer does correctly realize that Mycenaean Greeks preferred using chariots in battle, rather than the modern-at-the-time hoplite warfare. However, many historians believe that he was inexperienced with how chariots tended to be used in battle: while most chariot-users favored staying in the chariot and using its mobility and power to either crush formations or stay at a distance lobbing projectiles, Homer depicts them as being used mostly for ferrying individual warriors around so that battle; unsurprising since they can duel their opponents in single combat.had fallen into disuse by then.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* BlindObedience: The Myrmidons that Achilles commanded. When he goes all AchillesInHisTent, this prevents the Greeks from getting their aid in battle as well. The Myrmidons were said to be so diligent and unquestioning of orders that their name was used as describe someone as being virtually robotic in how they obeyed commands. This probably stemmed from their ancestors being said to be ants turned into humans being, as ants seem to be quite single-minded to observers.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* TragicIntangibility: The UrExample of the trope is Achilles' attempt to hug Patroclus's ghost. As he goes to hug him, he passes through him and Patroclus passes into the floor. Achilles agonizes and despairs alone.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* InverseDialogueDeathRule: Although scores of heroes die during the epic's pages, most of them die without so much as a word before eating dust. However, the most pivotal death in the book, Patroclus' killing by Hector, has a long final speech by the victim, in which Patroclus warns Hector of his impeding death.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Dewicking per TRS.


** Achilles' is his wrath and pettiness. It is so prevalent that he refuses Agamemnon's offer to return Briseis as a bribe to get Achilles to fight again. Even after he suffers the consequences of his action in Patroclus' death, he simply redirects his anger from Agamemnon to Hector, instead of realizing that Patroclus' death is primarily his fault and learning his lesson. His wrath does not abate until Priam makes him realize that Hector and Priam's situation is NotSoDifferent to Achilles and Peleus, and he is finally able to empathize with his enemy.

to:

** Achilles' is his wrath and pettiness. It is so prevalent that he refuses Agamemnon's offer to return Briseis as a bribe to get Achilles to fight again. Even after he suffers the consequences of his action in Patroclus' death, he simply redirects his anger from Agamemnon to Hector, instead of realizing that Patroclus' death is primarily his fault and learning his lesson. His wrath does not abate until Priam makes him realize that Hector and Priam's situation is NotSoDifferent to mirrors Achilles and Peleus, and he is finally able to empathize with his enemy.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Chained potholes are Sinkholes. Achilles and Patroclus are not identified as lovers in the Iliad. The oldest source that explicitly depicts them as lovers was apparently a lost play by Aeschylus.


The main plot concerns Achilles, the invaders' strongest soldier. Achilles, according to prophecy, has a choice: either die an untimely death that ensures his legend lives forever, or retire to a [[IJustWantToBeNormal life of normality]] and obscurity. After a falling-out with King Agamemnon, Achilles [[AchillesInHisTent withdraws from the war]], tempted by the second option. In his absence, the fortunes of battle begin to swing the Trojan way. Achilles eventually chooses glory... ''[[RoaringRampageOfRevenge after]]'' [[ItsPersonal the death of his]] [[HideYourGays 'friend']] [[TragicBromance Patroclus]].

to:

The main plot concerns Achilles, the invaders' strongest soldier. Achilles, according to prophecy, has a choice: either die an untimely death that ensures his legend lives forever, or retire to a [[IJustWantToBeNormal life of normality]] and obscurity. After a falling-out with King Agamemnon, Achilles [[AchillesInHisTent withdraws from the war]], tempted by the second option. In his absence, the fortunes of battle begin to swing the Trojan way. Achilles eventually chooses glory... ''[[RoaringRampageOfRevenge after]]'' ''after'' [[ItsPersonal his closest friend Patroclus has been killed by the death of his]] [[HideYourGays 'friend']] [[TragicBromance Patroclus]].
Trojan prince Hector.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Why "of course"?


The main plot concerns Achilles, the invaders' strongest soldier. Achilles, according to prophecy, has a choice: either die an untimely death that ensures his legend lives forever, or retire to a [[IJustWantToBeNormal life of normality]] and obscurity. After a falling-out with King Agamemnon, Achilles [[AchillesInHisTent withdraws from the war]], tempted by the second option. In his absence, the fortunes of battle begin to swing the Trojan way. Achilles eventually, of course, chooses glory... ''[[RoaringRampageOfRevenge after]]'' [[ItsPersonal the death of his]] [[HideYourGays 'friend']] [[TragicBromance Patroclus]].

to:

The main plot concerns Achilles, the invaders' strongest soldier. Achilles, according to prophecy, has a choice: either die an untimely death that ensures his legend lives forever, or retire to a [[IJustWantToBeNormal life of normality]] and obscurity. After a falling-out with King Agamemnon, Achilles [[AchillesInHisTent withdraws from the war]], tempted by the second option. In his absence, the fortunes of battle begin to swing the Trojan way. Achilles eventually, of course, eventually chooses glory... ''[[RoaringRampageOfRevenge after]]'' [[ItsPersonal the death of his]] [[HideYourGays 'friend']] [[TragicBromance Patroclus]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


The main plot concerns Achilles, the invaders' strongest soldier. Achilles, according to prophecy, has a choice: either die an untimely death that ensures his legend lives forever, or retire to a [[IJustWantToBeNormal life of normality]] and obscurity. After a falling-out with King Agamemnon, Achilles [[AchillesInHisTent withdraws from the war]], tempted by the second option. In his absence, the fortunes of battle begin to swing the Trojan way. Achilles eventually, of course, chooses glory... ''[[RoaringRampageOfRevenge after]]'' [[ItsPersonal the death of his friend Patroclus]].

to:

The main plot concerns Achilles, the invaders' strongest soldier. Achilles, according to prophecy, has a choice: either die an untimely death that ensures his legend lives forever, or retire to a [[IJustWantToBeNormal life of normality]] and obscurity. After a falling-out with King Agamemnon, Achilles [[AchillesInHisTent withdraws from the war]], tempted by the second option. In his absence, the fortunes of battle begin to swing the Trojan way. Achilles eventually, of course, chooses glory... ''[[RoaringRampageOfRevenge after]]'' [[ItsPersonal the death of his friend his]] [[HideYourGays 'friend']] [[TragicBromance Patroclus]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Zeus castigates the gods for trying to interfere with fate by rescuing their various offspring in the war. Then he considers teleporting his own son Sarpedon to safety. Hera [[WhatTheHellHero calls him out]] on this, pointing out how all the other gods would resent it, and he relents.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* InstantDeathBullet: Many warriors are instantly killed by injuries to the belly or other wounds that, while probably lethal in a pre-medicine world, would take some time for their sufferers to succumb.

Added: 106

Changed: 13

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Diomedes and Glaucos hold off from killing each other, decide they'll mutually avoid each other, and exchange weapons... because one's father had been the guest of the other.

to:

** Diomedes and Glaucos hold off from killing each other, decide they'll mutually avoid each other, and exchange weapons... armor... because one's father grandfather had been the guest of the other.


Added DiffLines:

* YouShouldHaveDiedInstead: Priam tells his surviving sons he wishes they all had died instead of Hector.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* HumanSacrifice: Achilles kills a dozen Trojan prisoners to throw on Patroclus's funeral pyre.

Added: 184

Changed: 126

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* BlingOfWar: The armour and equipment Hephaistos makes for Achilles. Just the description of the shield is more than a hundred lines long.

to:

* BlingOfWar: BlingOfWar:
** Glaucis has gilded armor, which he gives to Diomedes.
**
The armour and equipment Hephaistos makes for Achilles. Just the description of the shield is more than a hundred lines long.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* RobbingTheDead: Most of the time a warrior will attempt to strip the armor of a slain enemy as a keepsake, even in the midst of battle. Sometimes this results in a fight over either the armor or the body. The most dramatic example occurs after Hector kills Patroclus and takes the armor he was wearing, and which originally belonged to Achilles. Meanwhile, the Greeks manage to recover Patroclus' body and return it to friendly lines for burial.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* AdvantageBall: The battle goes this way and that, depending on which side the gods are currently favoring. The advantage is indicated by one side's champions being temporarily invinicible: first Diomedes, then Hector, and finally Achilles.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Aerith And Bob is for fantasy settings which mix fantasy names with common real world names. The Iliad is set in a heroic past, not a fantasy world, and all the names in the work were real-world names to the Greek. How the names ware perceived today is not relevant; what counts is how the ancient Greeks perceived them.


* AerithAndBob: Names like Hector or Helen are still used around the globe, modified to match a country's language (e.g. "Hector" in english-speaking countries, "Héctor" in spanish/portuguese, "'Εκτορας" in greek and so on...). Names like Agamemnon or Diomedes, however, are quite uncommon.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* JerkassBall: Hector's refusal to hand Patroclus' body to the Greeks so they can bury it.

to:

* JerkassBall: Hector's refusal Achilles' armor seems to invoke this trope in anyone who wears it. For example, when the mild-mannered Patroclus wears it, he acts like a natural-born killer, and when Hector wears it, not only does he refuse to hand Patroclus' body to the Greeks so they can bury it.it, he tries to have it cut to pieces.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Hector's is overconfidence and refusal to listen to advice. Unlike Achilles and Agamemnon, Hector finally realizes what his flaw is, but not until it's too late and his TragicMistake has already been made. Of the three, Hector experiences the worst consequences for his actions. Not only does his flaw inevitably lead to a terrible but also avoidable defeat of the Trojan army at the hands of Achilles, his attempt to redeem himself ultimately leads to his death, his body is desecrated, [[WatchingTroyBurn his city is burned]], [[InfantImmortality his newborn son]] [[SubvertedTrope thrown from the city walls]], and his wife becomes the SexSlave of his slayer's son.

to:

** Hector's is overconfidence and refusal to listen to advice. Unlike Achilles and Agamemnon, Hector finally realizes what his flaw is, but not until it's too late and his TragicMistake has already been made. Of the three, Hector experiences the worst consequences for his actions. Not only does his flaw inevitably lead to a terrible but also avoidable defeat of the Trojan army at the hands of Achilles, his attempt to redeem himself ultimately leads to his death, his body is desecrated, [[WatchingTroyBurn his city is burned]], [[InfantImmortality [[DeathOfAChild his newborn son]] [[SubvertedTrope son thrown from the city walls]], and his wife becomes the SexSlave of his slayer's son.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
They're used pretty much around the globe.


* AerithAndBob: The use of names like Hector or Helen have persisted in English-speaking countries...but the likes of Agamemnon or Diomedes, however, have not.

to:

* AerithAndBob: The use of names Names like Hector or Helen have persisted in English-speaking countries...but are still used around the likes of globe, modified to match a country's language (e.g. "Hector" in english-speaking countries, "Héctor" in spanish/portuguese, "'Εκτορας" in greek and so on...). Names like Agamemnon or Diomedes, however, have not.are quite uncommon.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* AerithAndBob: The use of names like Hector or Helen have persisted in English-speaking countries...but the likes of Agamemnon or Diomedes, however, have not.

Top