History Literature / TheIliad

11th Jan '18 1:54:13 PM Game_Fan
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** Getting [[RapeAsDrama abducted]] in ancient Greece may be worse than it already sounds, since some believe that it is a synonym for rape. However, the truth is the other way around: "Rape" can mean "to steal" as well. Sexual rape was just something that happened to occur during or after an abduction (or as the point of one), but "sexual rape" and "abduction" are not in any way synonymous.

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** Getting Many women are [[RapeAsDrama abducted]] abducted or taken captive]]. To the Greeks that would always have been rape in ancient Greece may be worse than it already sounds, the sense of "theft of a person" since some believe women were the property of their the father or husband. This almost certainly involved rape in the modern sense of "nonconsensual sex" as well but the narrative is rarely explicit about this. Slaves can also be taken for the purpose of doing work, of course, and Agamemnon even once swears that it is he didn't have sex with a synonym for rape. However, the truth is the other way around: "Rape" can mean "to steal" as well. Sexual rape was just something that happened to occur during or after an abduction (or as the point of one), but "sexual rape" and "abduction" are not in any way synonymous.captive woman he stole from Achilles.
16th Dec '17 9:21:20 AM DustSnitch
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* WorldOfBadass: Greece is full with heroes, each worth at least 100 common soldiers. For the humans, there is Achilles, [[Literature/TheAeneid Aeneas]], [[AuthorityEqualsAsskicking Agamemnon]], [[TheBigGuy Ajax]], [[OneSteveLimit the other Ajax]], [[BadassNormal Diomedes]], Glaucus, [[BadassGrandpa Nestor]], [[TheRival Hector]], [[TheLancer Patroclus]], [[GeniusBruiser Odysseus]], Sarpedon, Menelaus, [[TokenMinority Memnon]]... [[WorldOfBadass EVERYONE, in fact]]. Except [[DirtyCoward for]] [[TheLoad Paris]]. For the goddesses, there's Hera and Athena.

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* WorldOfBadass: Greece is full with heroes, each worth at least 100 common soldiers. For the humans, there is Achilles, [[Literature/TheAeneid Aeneas]], [[AuthorityEqualsAsskicking Agamemnon]], [[TheBigGuy Ajax]], [[OneSteveLimit the other Ajax]], [[BadassNormal Diomedes]], Glaucus, [[BadassGrandpa Nestor]], Nestor, [[TheRival Hector]], [[TheLancer Patroclus]], [[GeniusBruiser Odysseus]], Sarpedon, Menelaus, [[TokenMinority Memnon]]... [[WorldOfBadass EVERYONE, in fact]]. Except [[DirtyCoward for]] [[TheLoad Paris]]. For the goddesses, there's Hera and Athena.
14th Dec '17 6:45:11 PM Thorion
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* CoversAlwaysLie: The 2009 edition of Samuel Butler's 1898 translation from Arcturus features the 1785 oil on canvas painting "The Death of Priam" by Jean-Baptiste Regnault as the cover image. Priam's death is an episode of the Trojan War that happened after the Iliad and thus does not feature in the story.
10th Dec '17 9:18:24 AM cordychase
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* CostumePorn: There's a ''lot'' of loving descriptions of armor, particularly Agamemnon's figured breastplate.



* DressingAsTheEnemy: Done by Odysseus and Diomedes

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* DivineIntervention: If a god doesn't stick their oar into the battle to help a favorite or harm a favorite's enemy at least once, it's not the ''Iliad''. Special mention goes to Aeneas, whose bacon keeps getting saved by even gods who hate Troy, because he's so pious and because he has a destiny to fulfill.
* DramaticIrony: When Aeneas challenges Achilles, the latter taunts him, asking if he thinks this fight will win him enough glory to become the next king even though Priam already has sons. Of course, as the gods point out afterwards to each other, Aeneas ''is'' going to be king, because Priam and his sons are all going to be slaughtered by the Achaians.
* DressingAsTheEnemy: Done by Odysseus and DiomedesDiomedes.
28th Nov '17 2:43:33 AM Chabal2
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* TheBigGuy: Ajax Telamonean, who is called Greater Ajax for a reason. He's the biggest soldier among the Greek forces and judged second only to Achilles in fighting strength. Sarpedon seems to play a similar role on the Trojan side. Both are pretty decent guys.

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* TheBigGuy: Ajax Telamonean, who is called Greater Ajax for a reason. He's the biggest soldier among the Greek forces (his shield is described as being like a tower) and judged second only to Achilles in fighting strength. Sarpedon seems to play a similar role on the Trojan side. Both are pretty decent guys.



* ElCidPloy: Patroclus pulls one by dressing as Achilles while he's [[AchillesInHisTent In His Tent]]

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* ElCidPloy: Patroclus pulls one by dressing as Achilles while he's [[AchillesInHisTent In His Tent]]Tent]], although everyone recognizes him.



** One of Achilles' female slaves is named Diomedes.



* OutlivingOnesOffspring: Inevitable, given that everybody is introduced as IAmXSonOfY. Thetis has it worst, as she ''knows'' it's going to happen and can't prevent it.



* RunningGag: If someone throws a rock, it's a rock two men today couldn't lift.



* SupportPartyMember: At one point Poseidon gets around Zeus' ban on participating by going around giving a RousingSpeech. The narration actually credits him with the Greeks not fleeing to the ships.



* ViewersAreGoldfish: This was a common aspect of oral tradition at the time, partially because most epics would have to be recited over several days or more, meaning it was easy for people to forget things that had happened early in the story. It also helps in memorizing the story

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* ViewersAreGoldfish: This was a common aspect of oral tradition at the time, partially because most epics would have to be recited over several days or more, meaning it was easy for people to forget things that had happened early in the story. It also helps in memorizing the storystory.



* YouCantFightFate: Troy was always going to fall.

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** Several routs are credited as being "the gods don't want us to win this one", and is actually true.
21st Nov '17 12:46:44 PM Chabal2
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* HateSink: Paris is generally considered a useless, cowardly, wimpy waste of oxygen by modern readers, by the Acheans, and even the Trojans (and even by Helen, leading to much AlternateCharacterInterpretation).
21st Nov '17 12:40:30 PM Chabal2
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* SacredHospitality: One of the more famous examples in literature. Paris steals Helen (and a lot of treasure) while he's a guest in her and Menelaus' home. While the act has plenty of political ramifications, it's the breach of hospitality that causes such an uproar, and is used to rouse the ''entire army of Greece'' [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill to sack Troy]] in response.

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One of the more famous examples in literature. Paris steals Helen (and a lot of treasure) while he's a guest in her and Menelaus' home. While the act has plenty of political ramifications, it's the breach of hospitality that causes such an uproar, and is used to rouse the ''entire army of Greece'' [[ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill to sack Troy]] in response.
** Diomedes and Glaucos hold off from killing each other, decide they'll mutually avoid each other, and exchange weapons... because one's father had been the guest of the other.



* TalkingIsAFreeAction: Several characters give speeches in the middle of battle, both to the other men and the enemy. Patroclus both lampshades and plays this straight, when he points in the middle of battle that words are good for debate and not in war, and that in the time you'll give a nice speech a whole bunch of people will have probably died. In Book Sixteen he says, "Warfare's finality lies in the work of hands, that of words in counsel. It is not for us not to pile up talk, but to fight in battle."

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Several characters give speeches in the middle of battle, both to the other men and the enemy. Patroclus both lampshades and plays this straight, when he points in the middle of battle that words are good for debate and not in war, and that in the time you'll give a nice speech a whole bunch of people will have probably died. In Book Sixteen he says, "Warfare's finality lies in the work of hands, that of words in counsel. It is not for us not to pile up talk, but to fight in battle.""
** Glaucos manages to include a recap of the myth of Bellerophon during his BadassBoast to Diomedes.
16th Nov '17 12:44:14 AM majprowls
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* WorldOfBadass: Greece is full with heroes, each worth at least 100 common soldiers. For the humans, there is Achilles, [[Literature/TheAeneid Aeneas]], [[AuthorityEqualsAsskicking Agamemnon]], [[TheBigGuy Ajax]], [[OneSteveLimit the other Ajax]], [[BadassNormal Diomedes]], Glaucus, [[BadassGrandpa Nestor]], [[TheRival Hector]], Patroclus, [[GeniusBruiser Odysseus]], Sarpedon, Menelaus... [[WorldOfBadass EVERYONE, in fact]]. Except [[DirtyCoward for]] [[TheLoad Paris]]. For the goddesses, there's Hera and Athena.

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* WorldOfBadass: Greece is full with heroes, each worth at least 100 common soldiers. For the humans, there is Achilles, [[Literature/TheAeneid Aeneas]], [[AuthorityEqualsAsskicking Agamemnon]], [[TheBigGuy Ajax]], [[OneSteveLimit the other Ajax]], [[BadassNormal Diomedes]], Glaucus, [[BadassGrandpa Nestor]], [[TheRival Hector]], Patroclus, [[TheLancer Patroclus]], [[GeniusBruiser Odysseus]], Sarpedon, Menelaus...Menelaus, [[TokenMinority Memnon]]... [[WorldOfBadass EVERYONE, in fact]]. Except [[DirtyCoward for]] [[TheLoad Paris]]. For the goddesses, there's Hera and Athena.
14th Nov '17 8:31:33 AM Vampireandthen
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** Diomedes goes pretty berserk in Book 5, taking Aeneas, Aphrodite, and Ares, the god of war himself, out of battle, and killing quite a few dozen men. Not even the gods can rein him in. He had some help from Athena, though. However, during his rampage, apparently, it wasn't clear if he was fighting for the Greeks or the Trojans.

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** Diomedes goes pretty berserk in Book 5, taking Aeneas, Aphrodite, and Ares, the god of war himself, out of battle, and killing quite a few dozen men. Not even the gods can rein him in. He had some help from Athena, though. However, during his rampage, apparently, it wasn't clear if he was fighting for the Greeks or the Trojans.is shown to be a very good strategist and very cunning, knowing when to back off in battle, making him not a completely straight example of this trope.
19th Oct '17 7:26:10 AM JBK405
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* MistakenForBadass: When Zeus takes part in the struggle -- sending his thunder to signify his support for the Trojans -- the Greeks turn ''en masse'' and flee back to their boats. Nestor is the only one who stays on the field. However, he didn't ''want'' to stay: He was stuck because one of his horses had been wounded and he couldn't control them. Nonetheless, seeing him alone before the Trojans inspired Diomedes to turn back and return to the fray to assist him.

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* MistakenForBadass: When Zeus takes part in the struggle -- sending his thunder to signify his support for the Trojans -- the Greeks turn ''en masse'' and flee back to their boats. Nestor is the only one who stays on the field. However, he didn't ''want'' to stay: He was stuck because one of his horses had been wounded field, and he couldn't control them. Nonetheless, seeing him alone before the Trojans inspired Diomedes to turn back and return to the fray to assist him.him. However, Nestor hadn't ''wanted'' to stay: He was stuck because one of his horses had been wounded and he couldn't control them.
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