History Literature / TheHuntForRedOctober

18th Apr '16 3:01:40 AM TinMan
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* GoodIsNotSoft: One of the Joint Chiefs hints that DCI Arthur Moore, a laid-back, soft spoken former judge, was involved in some very dark stuff in his CIA career, like making the crew of a captured North Korean freighter disappear.
3rd Apr '16 8:50:16 PM Kalaong
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* ArbitraryMinimumRange: Russian torpedoes have a safety feature that will only arm the torpedo when it is a safe distance away from the ship that fired it. Captain Ramius knows this so he [[spoiler:steers his submarine toward an incoming torpedo so the torpedo does not have time to arm itself and bounces harmlessly off the sub's hull]]. The pursuing sub then deactivates the safety feature for its next shot so the torpedo no longer has a minimum range. [[spoiler: ''[[BatmanGambit Just like Ramius wanted]].'' His ''next'' trick is to redirect the unsafetied torpedo into [[HoistByHisOwnPetard destroying the attacking sub!]] ]]

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* ArbitraryMinimumRange: Russian torpedoes have a safety feature that will only arm the torpedo when it is a safe distance away from the ship that fired it. Captain Ramius knows this so he [[spoiler:steers his submarine toward an incoming torpedo so the torpedo does not have time to arm itself and bounces harmlessly off the sub's hull]]. The pursuing sub then deactivates the safety feature for its next shot so the torpedo no longer has a minimum range. [[spoiler: ''[[BatmanGambit Just like Ramius wanted]].'' His ''next'' trick is to redirect the resulting unsafetied torpedo into [[HoistByHisOwnPetard destroying the attacking sub!]] ]]
3rd Apr '16 8:49:57 PM Kalaong
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* ArbitraryMinimumRange: Russian torpedoes have a safety feature that will only arm the torpedo when it is a safe distance away from the ship that fired it. Captain Ramius knows this so he [[spoiler:steers his submarine toward an incoming torpedo so the torpedo does not have time to arm itself and bounces harmlessly off the sub's hull]]. The pursuing sub then deactivates the safety feature for its next shot so the torpedo no longer has a minimum range. [[spoiler: ''[[BatmanGambit Just like Ramius wanted]].'' His ''next'' trick is to [[HoistByHisOwnPetard destroying the attacking sub with its own unsafetied torpedo!]] ]]

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* ArbitraryMinimumRange: Russian torpedoes have a safety feature that will only arm the torpedo when it is a safe distance away from the ship that fired it. Captain Ramius knows this so he [[spoiler:steers his submarine toward an incoming torpedo so the torpedo does not have time to arm itself and bounces harmlessly off the sub's hull]]. The pursuing sub then deactivates the safety feature for its next shot so the torpedo no longer has a minimum range. [[spoiler: ''[[BatmanGambit Just like Ramius wanted]].'' His ''next'' trick is to redirect the unsafetied torpedo into [[HoistByHisOwnPetard destroying the attacking sub with its own unsafetied torpedo!]] sub!]] ]]
3rd Apr '16 8:49:22 PM Kalaong
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* ArbitraryMinimumRange: Russian torpedoes have a safety feature that will only arm the torpedo when it is a safe distance away from the ship that fired it. Captain Ramius knows this so he [[spoiler:steers his submarine toward an incoming torpedo so the torpedo does not have time to arm itself and bounces harmlessly off the sub's hull]]. The pursuing sub then deactivates the safety feature for its next shot so the torpedo no longer has a minimum range.

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* ArbitraryMinimumRange: Russian torpedoes have a safety feature that will only arm the torpedo when it is a safe distance away from the ship that fired it. Captain Ramius knows this so he [[spoiler:steers his submarine toward an incoming torpedo so the torpedo does not have time to arm itself and bounces harmlessly off the sub's hull]]. The pursuing sub then deactivates the safety feature for its next shot so the torpedo no longer has a minimum range. [[spoiler: ''[[BatmanGambit Just like Ramius wanted]].'' His ''next'' trick is to [[HoistByHisOwnPetard destroying the attacking sub with its own unsafetied torpedo!]] ]]
20th Feb '16 6:10:24 PM Bissek
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* CriticalStaffingShortage: The [[HotSubOnSubAction final act]] (at least in the book version) gives some additional difficulties to the people that remain on the titular missile sub because they're a half-dozen people handing a ship designed to be run by a couple of hundred. An earlier sub-plot [[AdaptedOut excised from the movie version]] involved the running of an [[BreakOutTheMuseumPiece about-to-be-decommissioned]] American sub to the spot where the ''Red October'' was to be "sunk" and be destroyed in its stead, while also being only staffed by about a dozen officers who had to do multiple duties, like an engineer working as a cook when off-shift.

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* CriticalStaffingShortage: The [[HotSubOnSubAction final act]] (at least in the book version) gives some additional difficulties to the people that remain on the titular missile sub because they're a half-dozen twenty people handing a ship designed to be run by a couple crew of hundred.roughly a hundred and twenty. An earlier sub-plot [[AdaptedOut excised from the movie version]] involved the running of an [[BreakOutTheMuseumPiece about-to-be-decommissioned]] American sub to the spot where the ''Red October'' was to be "sunk" and be destroyed in its stead, while also being only staffed by about a dozen officers who had to do multiple duties, like an engineer working as a cook when off-shift.
16th Dec '15 11:36:52 AM JakesBrain
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* CrusadingWidower: The last straw turning Ramius against the Soviet Union was the death of his wife. He came to the revelation, at her miserable excuse for a funeral, that the government had not only been responsible for her death, it also denied him the hope -- ''even if it was a false hope'' -- of seeing her again.

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* CrusadingWidower: The last straw turning Ramius against the Soviet Union was the death of his wife. He came to the revelation, at her miserable excuse for a funeral, that the government had not only been responsible for her death, it also denied left him no choice but to deny the hope -- ''even if it was a false hope'' -- of seeing her again.
16th Dec '15 11:36:15 AM JakesBrain
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* CrusadingWidower: The last straw turning Ramius against the Soviet Union was that a surgeon who was drunk while on duty accidentally killed his wife and suffered no repercussions because his father was a high-ranking Party official.

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* CrusadingWidower: The last straw turning Ramius against the Soviet Union was the death of his wife. He came to the revelation, at her miserable excuse for a funeral, that a surgeon who was drunk while on duty accidentally killed his wife and suffered no repercussions because his father the government had not only been responsible for her death, it also denied him the hope -- ''even if it was a high-ranking Party official.false hope'' -- of seeing her again.
1st Dec '15 11:35:46 PM Nohbody
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1st Dec '15 9:47:10 PM triscion
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* RammingAlwaysWorks: Justified by ''Red October'' lacking enough manpower to fire torpedoes and Ramius' expert knowledge of how Soviet submarines handle (and their commanders behave), being effectively the submarine captain version of a test pilot for new designs. And because they plan to dissect the sub anyway so a little damage is less of a big deal.

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* RammingAlwaysWorks: Justified by ''Red October'' lacking enough manpower to fire torpedoes and Ramius' expert knowledge of how Soviet submarines handle (and their commanders behave), being effectively the submarine captain version of a test pilot for new designs. And because they plan to dissect the sub anyway so a little damage is less of a big deal. It helps that the ''Typhoon'' Class sub was a lot bigger than it's target.
** Of course
14th Oct '15 12:21:55 AM Nohbody
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* HotSubOnSubAction
* IfIWantedYouDead: The Americans, being understandably nervous about the Soviet fleet off their shores, give them several such moments, with the SugarWiki/CrowningMomentOfAwesome being [[spoiler:having four A-10 Warthogs zoom in under the radar horizon and box the ''Kirov'' with flares]].

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* HotSubOnSubAction
HotSubOnSubAction: The primary focus of the naval scenes is the cat-and-mouse game played by NATO and Soviet submarines, with the climax involving actual combat between the ''Red October'' and the ''Konavalov'', with the ''Dallas'' being restricted from directly assisting by the rules of engagement limiting it to defensive fire only.
* IfIWantedYouDead: IfIWantedYouDead:
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The Americans, being understandably nervous about the Soviet fleet off their shores, give them several such moments, with the SugarWiki/CrowningMomentOfAwesome being [[spoiler:having four A-10 Warthogs zoom in under the radar horizon and box the ''Kirov'' with flares]].



* ItsPersonal: Ramius' main motive was to punish the state for the fact that [[CrusadingWidower his wife had died]] in a botched operation directed by a surgeon who had got the job from [[UpperClassTwit Party Patronage]].
** Not only was his wife's routine operation botched, but the "antibiotics" given to correct the botch were Soviet-manufactured "bonus" drugs. (In Clancy's version of the USSR at least, the workers are given a bonus for exceeding quota, and those products produced just to make quota were often poor or fraudulent, bypassing quality control completely). Further, what he considers the greatest crime is the State's suppression of religion that robbed him of "the hope, even if it ''was'' a lie", of seeing his wife again.
*** Several of Ramius' officers have similar stories of being screwed over and subjected to indignities by the state. One was repeatedly denied promotion for ''decades'' because his parents, despite being loyal Communists, were Jewish; another was sexually propositioned by a superior officer, and was subsequently ''punished'' for reporting the impropriety because the man was the son of an extremely high-ranking party official.

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* ItsPersonal: ItsPersonal:
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Ramius' main motive was to punish the state for the fact that [[CrusadingWidower his wife had died]] in a botched operation directed by a surgeon who had got the job from [[UpperClassTwit Party Patronage]].
** Not only was his wife's routine operation botched, but the "antibiotics" given
Patronage]], compounded by faulty medicine that did nothing to correct the botch were Soviet-manufactured "bonus" drugs. (In Clancy's version of the USSR at least, the workers are given a bonus for exceeding quota, and those products produced just to make quota were often poor or fraudulent, bypassing quality control completely).improve Mrs. Ramius' health. Further, what he considers the greatest crime is the State's suppression of religion that robbed him of "the hope, even if it ''was'' a lie", of seeing his wife again.
*** ** Several of Ramius' officers have similar stories of being screwed over and subjected to indignities by the state. One was repeatedly denied promotion for ''decades'' because his parents, despite being loyal Communists, were Jewish; another was sexually propositioned by a superior officer, and was subsequently ''punished'' for reporting the impropriety because the man was the son of an extremely high-ranking party official.



* TechnoWizard: Seaman Jones

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* TechnoWizard: Seaman JonesJones is not only an expert on US Navy sonar systems, but even with the handicap of not knowing Russian he does pretty good with Soviet hardware aboard the ''Red October''.
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