History Literature / TheHuntForRedOctober

29th Apr '18 9:40:31 PM marcoasalazarm
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* ForgottenPhlebotinum: The caterpiller drive only appears in this book and is not brought up again in subsequent novels. Understandable as it was an invention of Clancy for his first novel and wouldn't fit into his later, hyper realistic books.

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* ForgottenPhlebotinum: The caterpiller drive only appears in this book and is not brought up again in subsequent novels. Understandable as it was an invention of Clancy for his first novel and wouldn't fit into his later, hyper realistic books. Considering the fact that Jones (with good use of his sub's sonar tech) is capable of keeping track of it for an extended period of time, the implication of it being too AwesomeButImpractical is also firmly set.
29th Apr '18 9:32:16 PM TinMan
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* ForgottenPhlebotinum: The caterpiller drive only appears in this book and is not brought up again in subsequent novels. Understandable as it was an invention of Clancy for his first novel and wouldn't fit into his later, hyper realistic books.
9th Apr '18 2:15:46 AM MiriOhki
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** Later on, the ''Politovskiy'' suffers a fatal reactor failure that kills the crew. Its death has one last part to play when the only survivor, a cook, is s RedHerring to the Russians, because they think he may be a member of the crew of the ''Red October''.

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** Later on, the ''Politovskiy'' suffers a fatal reactor failure that kills the crew. Its death has one last part to play when the only survivor, a cook, is s a RedHerring to the Russians, because they think he may be a member of the crew of GRU mole from the ''Red October''.
4th Mar '18 4:54:04 PM StarSword
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* ArtisticLicenseShips: Very few Soviet submarines were ever given official names, yet all of the Soviet submarines with viewpoint characters aboard - the Red October itself, the pursuing Konovalov, and the ill-fated ''Politovskiy'' - are named.

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Very few Soviet submarines were ever given official names, yet all of the Soviet submarines with viewpoint characters aboard - the Red October itself, the pursuing Konovalov, and the ill-fated ''Politovskiy'' - are named.named.
** The noisiest thing on a nuclear submarine isn't the screws by a long shot, it's the nuclear power plant itself. A caterpillar drive, if possible, would do nothing to help with this.
4th Mar '18 4:51:09 PM StarSword
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** When a KGB agent thinks it's a good idea to break out a cigarette and lighter next to a patient who's on 100% oxygen, the attending doctor suspects him of attempting this. Ultimately averted; the KGB agent wasn't actually attempting to murder the patient, but merely too arrogant to consider the possibility that a hospital's "No Smoking" signs might be there for a reason. When the doctor explains what would've happened had he lit up, he's horrified.

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** When a KGB agent thinks it's a good idea to break out a cigarette and lighter next to a patient who's on 100% oxygen, the attending doctor suspects him of attempting this. Ultimately averted; {{subverted}}; the KGB agent wasn't actually attempting to murder the patient, but merely too arrogant to consider the possibility that a hospital's "No Smoking" signs might be there for a reason. When the doctor explains what would've happened had he lit up, he's horrified.
15th Dec '17 7:27:42 PM Bissek
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* ChromosomeCasting: As both the Soviet and American navies were all-male services, there are next to no female characters in the book. The two most significant female characters are an FBI agent and Greer's secretary.

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* ChromosomeCasting: As both the Soviet and American navies were all-male services, there are next to no female characters in the book. The two most significant female characters are an FBI agent and agent, Greer's secretary.secretary, and Ramius' long-dead wife, whose absence sets the plot in motion.
15th Dec '17 7:26:39 PM Bissek
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** A minor one, but early on it's mentioned that Ramius has taken out the first of each class of sub for decades, and only had a minor incident on the first ''Alfa''. Later it's explained that the ''Politovskiy'' is the first of the ''Alfa''s, and that during its first cruise it hit a whale at full speed but the captain managed to save the ship and crew. Ramius was the captain of the ''Politovskiy'' when it hit the whale. Then in the climax, Ramius kills an ''Alfa'' by ramming it - having been on one that was nearly lost due to ramming, he knows exactly how to hit one to make it die.

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** A minor one, but early on it's mentioned that Ramius has taken out the first of each class of sub for decades, and only had a minor incident on the first ''Alfa''. Later it's explained that the ''Politovskiy'' is the first of the ''Alfa''s, and that during its first cruise it hit a whale at full speed but the captain managed to save the ship and crew. Ramius was the captain of the ''Politovskiy'' when it hit the whale. Then in the climax, Ramius kills an ''Alfa'' by ramming it - having been on one that was nearly lost due to ramming, he knows exactly how to hit one to make it die. He also knows the exact handling characteristics of an ''Alfa'', so he knows how it can try to dodge.
1st Sep '17 5:27:45 AM pwiegle
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** Several of Ramius' officers have similar stories of being screwed over and subjected to indignities by the state. One was repeatedly denied promotion for ''decades'' because his parents, despite being loyal Communists, were Jewish; another was sexually propositioned by a superior officer, and was subsequently ''punished'' for reporting the impropriety because the man was the son of an extremely high-ranking party official.

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** Several of Ramius' officers have similar stories of being screwed over and subjected to indignities by the state. One was repeatedly denied promotion for ''decades'' because his parents, despite being loyal Communists, were Jewish; another was sexually propositioned by a superior officer, and was subsequently ''punished'' for reporting the impropriety because the man was the son of an extremely high-ranking party official. The chief engineer, although Ramius' equal in rank, never received a command of his own simply because he was too good of an engineer, and the Soviet Navy wanted to keep him in the engine room.
17th Apr '17 4:45:02 PM Bissek
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* ChromosomeCasting: As both the Soviet and American navies were all-male services, there are next to no female characters in the book.

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* ChromosomeCasting: As both the Soviet and American navies were all-male services, there are next to no female characters in the book. The two most significant female characters are an FBI agent and Greer's secretary.
17th Apr '17 4:39:41 PM Bissek
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** A minor one, but early on it's mentioned that Ramius has taken out the first of each class of sub for decades, and only had a minor incident on the first ''Alfa''. Later it's explained that the ''Politovskiy'' is the first of the ''Alfa''s, and that during its first cruise it hit a whale at full speed but the captain managed to save the ship and crew. Ramius was the captain of the ''Politovskiy'' when it hit the whale.

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** A minor one, but early on it's mentioned that Ramius has taken out the first of each class of sub for decades, and only had a minor incident on the first ''Alfa''. Later it's explained that the ''Politovskiy'' is the first of the ''Alfa''s, and that during its first cruise it hit a whale at full speed but the captain managed to save the ship and crew. Ramius was the captain of the ''Politovskiy'' when it hit the whale. Then in the climax, Ramius kills an ''Alfa'' by ramming it - having been on one that was nearly lost due to ramming, he knows exactly how to hit one to make it die.
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