History Literature / TheDarkIsRising

1st Feb '18 6:43:57 AM Cryoclaste
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** Gwion's music seems to have at least a calming effect if not also providing a protective barrier at times. But this only makes sense since he is [[{{Mabinogion}} Taliesin]].

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** Gwion's music seems to have at least a calming effect if not also providing a protective barrier at times. But this only makes sense since he is [[{{Mabinogion}} [[Literature/{{Mabinogion}} Taliesin]].



* PlotMagnet: Barney, by virtue of being the youngest and (presumably) the most vulnerable of the Drew children. In the first book he is kidnapped and hypnotized by Hastings; in the third he is kidnapped by the painter, compelled to scry in the grail, and then given LaserGuidedAmnesia; and in the fifth book, he is kidnapped by the White Rider and taken back to the time of [[{{Mabinogion}} Owain Glyndwyr]], where he is almost executed as an English spy. To a lesser extent all the Drews are this in the last book, since the ''afanc'' targets Jane in order to obtain the Lady's prophecies from her, and later all three are sent back to an earlier time at the harbor by the Dark, thus necessitating Merriman coming to their rescue [[LoopholeAbuse so he could not join Will and Bran in the Lost Land]].

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* PlotMagnet: Barney, by virtue of being the youngest and (presumably) the most vulnerable of the Drew children. In the first book he is kidnapped and hypnotized by Hastings; in the third he is kidnapped by the painter, compelled to scry in the grail, and then given LaserGuidedAmnesia; and in the fifth book, he is kidnapped by the White Rider and taken back to the time of [[{{Mabinogion}} [[Literature/{{Mabinogion}} Owain Glyndwyr]], where he is almost executed as an English spy. To a lesser extent all the Drews are this in the last book, since the ''afanc'' targets Jane in order to obtain the Lady's prophecies from her, and later all three are sent back to an earlier time at the harbor by the Dark, thus necessitating Merriman coming to their rescue [[LoopholeAbuse so he could not join Will and Bran in the Lost Land]].
17th Jan '18 5:42:34 PM PaulA
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* AllJustADream[=/=]OrWasItADream: Jane's encounters with the Greenwitch are played as something the reader is never quite sure is real, all in her head, or a magical interaction, until she awakens with the lost scroll case, and at the end of the book when Mrs. Penhallow talks about the leaves and the smell of the sea filling her room.



* TheBlank[=/=]TheFaceless: Most of the Riders of the Dark are this.



* FantasticReligiousWeirdness[=/=]NoSuchThingAsWizardJesus: The relationship between the forces of the Light and the Dark, based on Celtic and Welsh mythology, and the Christianity of characters like Father Beaumont, is never reconciled. After Will and the Old Ones protect the church and the members of it from an invasion of the Dark, the priest tries to ascribe the powers of the Old Ones of the Light as miracles derived from the Christian God, who he says came first and created all of existence, and claims they won because the Signs are in the shape of a cross--"not of the Church, but a Christian cross nonetheless", implying it only had power because [[ArtisticLicenseReligion the cross has always and only been a Christian symbol]]. Farmer Dawson says Beaumont's a "brave fellow" but "this battle is not for his fighting. He is bound to think so, of course, being in his church," while Will calls the priest's theological assumptions "disturbed." He also thinks of saying something to correct the priest, but he doesn't say how he would have corrected him - did God come later? Does God even exist? Do the powers of the Old Ones come from a totally different source but the Christian God still exists? The text is about as purposefully vague as you can get in this part of the book. Merriman also later says that humanity can't "lie idly expecting the second coming of anybody now". On the other hand, none of the supernatural beings or deities in the story ever directly mention God either way, or where He might fit into their cosmology, and Will does think at one point that church is "where men give thought to matters of the Light and the Dark" and that [[SeekingSanctuary no harm can enter a church's walls]].

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* FantasticReligiousWeirdness[=/=]NoSuchThingAsWizardJesus: TheFaceless: Most of the Riders of the Dark are this.
* FantasticReligiousWeirdness:
The relationship between the forces of the Light and the Dark, based on Celtic and Welsh mythology, and the Christianity of characters like Father Beaumont, is never reconciled. After Will and the Old Ones protect the church and the members of it from an invasion of the Dark, the priest tries to ascribe the powers of the Old Ones of the Light as miracles derived from the Christian God, who he says came first and created all of existence, and claims they won because the Signs are in the shape of a cross--"not of the Church, but a Christian cross nonetheless", implying it only had power because [[ArtisticLicenseReligion the cross has always and only been a Christian symbol]]. Farmer Dawson says Beaumont's a "brave fellow" but "this battle is not for his fighting. He is bound to think so, of course, being in his church," while Will calls the priest's theological assumptions "disturbed." He also thinks of saying something to correct the priest, but he doesn't say how he would have corrected him - did God come later? Does God even exist? Do the powers of the Old Ones come from a totally different source but the Christian God still exists? The text is about as purposefully vague as you can get in this part of the book. Merriman also later says that humanity can't "lie idly expecting the second coming of anybody now". On the other hand, none of the supernatural beings or deities in the story ever directly mention God either way, or where He might fit into their cosmology, and Will does think at one point that church is "where men give thought to matters of the Light and the Dark" and that [[SeekingSanctuary no harm can enter a church's walls]].



* MoreThanMindControl[=/=]DemonicPossession: How the Grey King first influences, then actually takes control of, Caradog Prichard as he gets more desperate to stop Will's quest.

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* MoreThanMindControl[=/=]DemonicPossession: MoreThanMindControl: How the Grey King first influences, then actually takes control of, Caradog Prichard as he gets more desperate to stop Will's quest.



* OrWasItADream: Jane's encounters with the Greenwitch are played as something the reader is never quite sure is real, all in her head, or a magical interaction, until she awakens with the lost scroll case, and at the end of the book when Mrs. Penhallow talks about the leaves and the smell of the sea filling her room.



* RapeAsBackstory[=/=]RapeAsDrama: Very strongly implied to be what would have happened had Owen Davies not arrived in time to save Bran's mother from Caradog Prichard.

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* RapeAsBackstory[=/=]RapeAsDrama: RapeAsDrama: Very strongly implied to be what would have happened had Owen Davies not arrived in time to save Bran's mother from Caradog Prichard.



* ShroudedInMyth[=/=]HistoricalInJoke: Lampshaded by Will when he, Bran, and the Drews visit Carn March Arthur.

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* ShroudedInMyth[=/=]HistoricalInJoke: ShroudedInMyth: Lampshaded by Will when he, Bran, and the Drews visit Carn March Arthur.
17th Jan '18 5:39:21 PM PaulA
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* PsychopathicManChild: The Greenwitch is portrayed as one of these, specifically a cross of versions B, C, and E--she has childish and simplistic goals (to be left alone, to be given attention and love, and to have a secret all her own which she will cling to against all reason), she has great power but also childish qualities (specifically, a tendency to throw temper tantrums), and due to being a creature of the Wild Magic she most certainly operates under ValuesDissonance in regards to what is considered acceptable behavior and what is cruel or savage. She comes across as limited in intellect and knowledge, and thus innocent of understanding what her powers and nature can do to mortals. The result is a being that inspires sympathy even as she's also incredibly disturbing and creepy.

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* PsychopathicManChild: The Greenwitch is portrayed as one of these, specifically a cross of versions B, C, and E--she these; she has childish and simplistic goals (to be left alone, to be given attention and love, and to have a secret all her own which she will cling to against all reason), she has great power but also childish qualities (specifically, a tendency to throw temper tantrums), and due to being a creature of the Wild Magic she most certainly operates under ValuesDissonance in regards to what is considered acceptable behavior and what is cruel or savage. She comes across as limited in intellect and knowledge, and thus innocent of understanding what her powers and nature can do to mortals. The result is a being that inspires sympathy even as she's also incredibly disturbing and creepy.
17th Jan '18 5:35:50 PM PaulA
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->''When the Dark comes rising, six shall turn it back;''
->''Three from the circle, three from the track;''
->''Wood, bronze, iron, water, fire, stone;''
->''Five will return, and one go alone.''

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->''When the Dark comes rising, six shall turn it back;''
->''Three
back;\\
Three
from the circle, three from the track;''
->''Wood,
track;\\
Wood,
bronze, iron, water, fire, stone;''
->''Five
stone;\\
Five
will return, and one go alone.''



-->'''Jane''': The monks just always used it, that's all, it was one of their things. I suppose it's a religious-sounding kind of language.

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-->'''Jane''': -->'''Jane:''' The monks just always used it, that's all, it was one of their things. I suppose it's a religious-sounding kind of language.



--> ''"And where the Midsummer Tree grows tall, by Pendragon's sword the Dark shall fall."''

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--> ''"And -->And where the Midsummer Tree grows tall, by Pendragon's sword the Dark shall fall."''



-->'''Merriman''': I have known him to use many different names at many different times. He changes. [[ParanoiaFuel There is no knowing what he will look like...]]

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-->'''Merriman''': -->'''Merriman:''' I have known him to use many different names at many different times. He changes. [[ParanoiaFuel There is no knowing what he will look like...]]



--->'''Barney''': Oh, well. Don't drop it in the harbour, that's all.

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--->'''Barney''': --->'''Barney:''' Oh, well. Don't drop it in the harbour, that's all.



** From ''The Grey King'':
-->'''John Rowlands''': I would take the one human being over all the principle, all the time. ''[[spoiler:And that's exactly what he does, when he rules in favor of Bran staying in the present.]]''

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** From In ''The Grey King'':
-->'''John Rowlands''': I
King'', John Rowlands says, "I would take the one human being over all the principle, all the time. ''[[spoiler:And time." [[spoiler:And that's exactly what he does, when he rules in favor of Bran staying in the present.]]'']]



-->'''John''': Those men who know anything about the Light also know that there is a fierceness to its power, like the bare sword of the law, or the white burning of the sun. At the very heart, that is. Other things, like humanity, and mercy, and charity, that most good men hold more precious than all else, they do not come first for the Light. Oh, sometimes they are there; often, indeed. But in the very long run the concern of you people is with the absolute good, ahead of all else. You are like fanatics. Your masters, at any rate. [[PureIsNotGood At the center of the Light there is a cold white flame, just as at the center of the Dark there is a great black pit bottomless as the Universe]].
-->'''Will''': For us, there is only the destiny. Like a job to be done. We are here simply to save the world from the Dark. Make no mistake, John, the Dark is rising, and will take the world to itself very soon if nothing stands in its way. And if that should happen, then there would be no question ever, for anyone, either of warm charity or of cold absolute good, because nothing would exist in the world or in the hearts of men except that bottomless black pit. The charity and the mercy and the humanitarianism are for you, they are the only things by which men are able to exist together in peace. But in this hard case that we the Light are in, confronting the Dark, we can make no use of them. We are fighting a war. We are fighting for life or death--not for our life, remember, since we cannot die. For yours. [[TheNeedsOfTheMany Sometimes, in this sort of war, it is not possible to pause, to smooth the way for one human being, because even that one small thing could mean an end of the world for all the rest]].

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-->'''John''': -->'''John:''' Those men who know anything about the Light also know that there is a fierceness to its power, like the bare sword of the law, or the white burning of the sun. At the very heart, that is. Other things, like humanity, and mercy, and charity, that most good men hold more precious than all else, they do not come first for the Light. Oh, sometimes they are there; often, indeed. But in the very long run the concern of you people is with the absolute good, ahead of all else. You are like fanatics. Your masters, at any rate. [[PureIsNotGood At the center of the Light there is a cold white flame, just as at the center of the Dark there is a great black pit bottomless as the Universe]].
-->'''Will''':
Universe]].\\
'''Will:'''
For us, there is only the destiny. Like a job to be done. We are here simply to save the world from the Dark. Make no mistake, John, the Dark is rising, and will take the world to itself very soon if nothing stands in its way. And if that should happen, then there would be no question ever, for anyone, either of warm charity or of cold absolute good, because nothing would exist in the world or in the hearts of men except that bottomless black pit. The charity and the mercy and the humanitarianism are for you, they are the only things by which men are able to exist together in peace. But in this hard case that we the Light are in, confronting the Dark, we can make no use of them. We are fighting a war. We are fighting for life or death--not for our life, remember, since we cannot die. For yours. [[TheNeedsOfTheMany Sometimes, in this sort of war, it is not possible to pause, to smooth the way for one human being, because even that one small thing could mean an end of the world for all the rest]].



* HypocriticalHumor: Perhaps this is only to be expected in a British series starring mostly British characters. The last book alone has two prominent examples, very close together. First Will chides his sister Barbara for being "shamefully naked" in a sunsuit, when he's wearing only a pair of shorts himself. Then there's this exchange from the Welsh mountaintop:
-->'''Jane''': Have some chocolate before it melts. And don't tell me it's bad for our teeth, Simon, because I know it is.
-->'''Simon''', ''grinning'': 'Course it is. Utter disaster. Where's mine?

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* HypocriticalHumor: Perhaps this is only to be expected in a British series starring mostly British characters. The last book alone has two prominent examples, very close together. together.
**
First Will chides his sister Barbara for being "shamefully naked" in a sunsuit, when he's wearing only a pair of shorts himself. himself.
**
Then there's this exchange from the Welsh mountaintop:
-->'''Jane''': --->'''Jane:''' Have some chocolate before it melts. And don't tell me it's bad for our teeth, Simon, because I know it is.
-->'''Simon''', ''grinning'':
is.\\
'''Simon:''' ''[grinning]''
'Course it is. Utter disaster. Where's mine?



-->''And the singing began''.
-->''It was wordless; it came in the wind; it was a thin, high, cold whine with no definable tune or pattern. It came from a long way off, and it was not pleasant to hear. But it held him transfixed, turning his thoughts away from their proper direction, turning them away from everything except contemplation of whatever happened to be closest at hand. [snip] As he listened to the singing, he saw a twig on a low branch of the beech close to his head that seemed for no reason so totally enthralling that he could do nothing but gaze at it, as if it contained the whole world. He stared for so long, his eyes moving very gradually along the tiny twig and back again, that he felt as if several months had passed, while the high, strange singing went on and on in the sky from its distant beginnings. And then suddenly it stopped, and he was left standing dazed with his nose almost touching a very ordinary beech twig''.
-->''He knew then that the Dark had its own way of putting even an Old One outside Time for a space, if they needed a space for their own magic''.

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-->''And -->And the singing began''.
-->''It
began.\\
It
was wordless; it came in the wind; it was a thin, high, cold whine with no definable tune or pattern. It came from a long way off, and it was not pleasant to hear. But it held him transfixed, turning his thoughts away from their proper direction, turning them away from everything except contemplation of whatever happened to be closest at hand. [snip] [...] As he listened to the singing, he saw a twig on a low branch of the beech close to his head that seemed for no reason so totally enthralling that he could do nothing but gaze at it, as if it contained the whole world. He stared for so long, his eyes moving very gradually along the tiny twig and back again, that he felt as if several months had passed, while the high, strange singing went on and on in the sky from its distant beginnings. And then suddenly it stopped, and he was left standing dazed with his nose almost touching a very ordinary beech twig''.
-->''He
twig.\\
He
knew then that the Dark had its own way of putting even an Old One outside Time for a space, if they needed a space for their own magic''.magic.



-->''"--off, the lot of 'ee," he snapped; they had never heard the word he used, but the tone was unmistakable, and Simon went hot with resentment and clenched his fists to lunge forward.''

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-->''"--off, -->"--off, the lot of 'ee," he snapped; they had never heard the word he used, but the tone was unmistakable, and Simon went hot with resentment and clenched his fists to lunge forward.''



-->'''Bran''', ''in falsetto'': Oooh! A red rose, is it?
-->'''Will''': Get lost.
-->'''Bran''': Not so pretty as Jane, that one who threw it,
-->'''Will''': As who?
-->'''Bran''': Jane Drew. Don't you think she's pretty, then?
-->'''Will''': I suppose so, yes. I never thought about it.
-->'''Bran''': One good thing about you, you're uncomplicated.

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-->'''Bran''', ''in falsetto'': -->'''Bran:''' ''[in falsetto]'' Oooh! A red rose, is it?
-->'''Will''':
it?\\
'''Will:'''
Get lost.
-->'''Bran''':
lost.\\
'''Bran:'''
Not so pretty as Jane, that one who threw it,
-->'''Will''':
it.\\
'''Will:'''
As who?
-->'''Bran''':
who?\\
'''Bran:'''
Jane Drew. Don't you think she's pretty, then?
-->'''Will''':
then?\\
'''Will:'''
I suppose so, yes. I never thought about it.
-->'''Bran''':
it.\\
'''Bran:'''
One good thing about you, you're uncomplicated.



--->'''Merriman''': If you prick us, we bleed, if you tickle us, we laugh--only, if you poison us, we do not die, and there are certain feelings and perceptions in us that are not in you.

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--->'''Merriman''': --->'''Merriman:''' If you prick us, we bleed, if you tickle us, we laugh--only, if you poison us, we do not die, and there are certain feelings and perceptions in us that are not in you.



-->'''Will''': If Arthur had ridden over every hollow called Arthur's Hoofprint, or sat on every rock called Arthur's Seat, or drunk from every spring called Arthur's Well, he'd have spent his whole life traveling 'round Britain without a stop.
-->'''Barney''': And so would the knights, to sit 'round every hill called King Arthur's Round Table.
-->(Of course then, Carn March Arthur and the ''afanc'' from the Bearded Lake [[AMythologyIsTrue turned out to be the genuine article]], not a fake legend at all.)

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-->'''Will''': -->'''Will:''' If Arthur had ridden over every hollow called Arthur's Hoofprint, or sat on every rock called Arthur's Seat, or drunk from every spring called Arthur's Well, he'd have spent his whole life traveling 'round Britain without a stop.
-->'''Barney''':
stop.\\
'''Barney:'''
And so would the knights, to sit 'round every hill called King Arthur's Round Table.
-->(Of :::Of course then, Carn March Arthur and the ''afanc'' from the Bearded Lake [[AMythologyIsTrue turned out to be the genuine article]], not a fake legend at all.)



--->''Power from the [[TitleDrop green witch]], lost beneath the sea;\\
All shall find the light at last, [[TitleDrop silver on the tree]].''

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--->''Power --->Power from the [[TitleDrop green witch]], lost beneath the sea;\\
All shall find the light at last, [[TitleDrop silver on the tree]].''
17th Jan '18 3:32:35 PM LentilSandEater
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* PropheciesRhymeAllTheTime: The prophecy at the top of this page goes on for another three verses of rhyming couplets, and there's another one introduced in the fourth book that's even longer.
** It's worth noting that the second prophecy actually starts out with non-rhyming couplets, but falls right back into the rhyme scheme after the first verse.

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* PropheciesRhymeAllTheTime: The prophecy at the top of this page goes on for another three verses of rhyming couplets, and there's another one introduced in the fourth book that's even longer.
** It's worth noting that the
longer. The second prophecy actually starts out with non-rhyming couplets, but falls right back into the rhyme scheme after the first verse.
17th Jan '18 3:31:11 PM LentilSandEater
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** Both invoked and averted with Will - as he puts it himself, when Merriman (Merlin) says that he must sometimes wish he was just an ordinary boy, "Sometimes - but not always."

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** Both invoked and averted Downplayed with Will - as he puts it himself, when Merriman (Merlin) says that he must sometimes wish he was just an ordinary boy, "Sometimes - but not always."
17th Jan '18 3:20:04 PM LentilSandEater
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* DeathByNewberyMedal: True to the trope, the only book in the series that wins an award is the one in which a dog is killed. The second book, which was nominated for the medal and made a Newbery Honor book, contains the death of Hawkin. To be fair, both of these deaths are highly significant and played dramatically without being overdone, there is much more to the books than the deaths in question, and these also happen to be the most powerful, well-written, mythical, and memorable of the books. ''The Grey King'' is Newbery bait in other ways as well. A large chunk is about Bran's identity crisis, trouble with his father and discovery of who he is, and [[spoiler: they put their relationship right at the end.]] This is also the book in which there's the most discussion of things like whether you should put the overall good before individual human beings. You can find similar themes in lots of other Newbery winners.

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* DeathByNewberyMedal: True to the trope, the only book in the series that wins an award is the one in which a dog is killed. The second book, which was nominated for the medal and made a Newbery Honor book, contains the death of Hawkin. To be fair, both of these deaths are highly significant and played dramatically without being overdone, there is much more to the books than the deaths in question, and these also happen to be the most powerful, well-written, mythical, and memorable of the books. ''The Grey King'' is Newbery bait in other ways as well. A large chunk is about Bran's identity crisis, trouble with his father and discovery of who he is, and [[spoiler: they put their relationship right at the end.]] This is also the book in which there's the most discussion of things like whether you should put the overall good before individual human beings. You can find similar themes in lots of other Newbery winners.
17th Jan '18 3:17:41 PM LentilSandEater
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* BadPowersBadPeople: Averted. Merriman explicitly states those of the Dark, especially the great Lords, have the exact same powers as those of the Light, suggesting there is nothing inherently corruptive about them; all that differs is the [[ColdBloodedTorture purpose]] [[ForTheEvulz to which]] [[CruelMercy they put them]] and, sometimes, how they call upon them.
** Maybe yes, maybe no. Merriman also states that the Old Ones and the people of the Dark have "some small powers" in common. There certainly seem to be things that each side can do that the other can't really match.

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* BadPowersBadPeople: Averted. Merriman Discussed by Merriman. He explicitly states those of the Dark, especially the great Lords, have the exact same powers as those of the Light, suggesting there is nothing inherently corruptive about them; all that differs is the [[ColdBloodedTorture purpose]] [[ForTheEvulz to which]] [[CruelMercy they put them]] and, sometimes, how they call upon them.
** Maybe yes, maybe no.
them. Merriman also states that the Old Ones and the people of the Dark have "some small powers" in common. There certainly seem to be things that each side can do that the other can't really match.
22nd Dec '17 12:41:30 PM MasterFuzzy
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* GenreSavvy: The Drews show moments of this, especially the boys, when theorizing what will happen if they tell their parents about the map, or try and explain to the authorities who stole the grail from the museum. The pre-video-game Drews have probably read loads of kids' adventure fiction, which the first book resembles more strongly than the rest. The Black Rider shows moments of this too, from making Jane think he was the vicar of Trewissick (and therefore [[GoodShepherd trustworthy]]) to deliberately sending the Drews back in time to make Merriman rescue them and miss his chance to enter the Lost Land, and pulling an IHaveYourWife on John Rowlands.

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* GenreSavvy: The Drews show moments of this, especially the boys, when theorizing what will happen if they tell their parents about the map, or try and explain to the authorities who stole the grail from the museum. They also figure out "Merriman Lyon's" pseudonym. The pre-video-game Drews have probably read loads of kids' adventure fiction, which the first book resembles more strongly than the rest. The Black Rider shows moments of this too, from making Jane think he was the vicar of Trewissick (and therefore [[GoodShepherd trustworthy]]) to deliberately sending the Drews back in time to make Merriman rescue them and miss his chance to enter the Lost Land, and pulling an IHaveYourWife on John Rowlands.
16th Sep '17 11:53:04 PM PaulA
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-->'''Barney''': Oh, well. Don't drop it in the harbour, that's all.
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-->'''Barney''': --->'''Barney''': Oh, well. Don't drop it in the harbour, that's all.
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