History Literature / SwallowsAndAmazons

2nd Jun '16 1:31:01 PM Morgenthaler
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* ThemeNaming: The pigeons in ''Pigeon Post''. The first one was just named {{Homer}} because he was a homing pigeon, but when they got two more, they decided to run with the 'Greek poets' theme and named them {{Sophocles}} and {{Creator/Sappho}}.

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* ThemeNaming: The pigeons in ''Pigeon Post''. The first one was just named {{Homer}} because he was a homing pigeon, but when they got two more, they decided to run with the 'Greek poets' theme and named them {{Sophocles}} Creator/{{Sophocles}} and {{Creator/Sappho}}.
10th Apr '16 7:20:44 AM GothicProphet
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!!Books in the series:
* ''Swallows and Amazons'' (1930)
* ''Swallowdale'' (1931)
* ''Peter Duck'' (1932)
* ''Winter Holiday'' (1933)
* ''Coot Club'' (1934)
* ''Pigeon Post'' (1936)
* ''We Didn't Mean to Go to Sea'' (1937)
* ''Secret Water'' (1939)
* ''The Big Six'' (1940)
* ''Missee Lee'' (1941)
* ''The Picts and the Martyrs'' (1943)
* ''Great Northern?'' (1947)
* ''Coots in the North'' (unfinished)


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* ShrinkingViolet: Timothy, formerly known as [[spoiler: Squashy Hat]]. His ShrinkingViolet tendencies kick off most of the plot of ''Pigeon Post'', because he's too shy to introduce himself to Mrs. Blackett, and so the children think he's an enemy.
10th Apr '16 6:45:28 AM GothicProphet
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* EpicFail: John giving an owl call as a signal, in broad daylight, where the Great Aunt can hear.


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* ScarilyCompetentTracker: Subverted with the Margolettas in ''Coot Club''. They keep finding Tom, Mrs. Barrable and the Ds, but it's usually because of coincidence, not any great skill on their part.
10th Apr '16 6:24:57 AM GothicProphet
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* TheDreaded: The Great Aunt for the Amazons.


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* GrandeDame: The Great Aunt, to the Amazon's horror.


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** A human example is Squashy Hat, the rival prospector, in ''Pigeon Post''. He's always called "Squashy Hat", right up until TheReveal [[spoiler: that he's actually Captain Flint's friend, Timothy.]]


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* ProperLady: What the Great Aunt wants Nancy and Peggy to be.
10th Apr '16 6:22:25 AM GothicProphet
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* OnlyKnownByTheirNickname: The Swallows and Amazons do this to the places they explore; for instance, they call the mountain they climb in ''Swallowdale'' "Kanchenjunga". Its real name is never mentioned in-series, but it's obviously based on Old Man of Coniston.



* PoorCommunicationKills: Several mild examples.
** In ''Winter Holidays'', a mix-up over signals results in Dick and Dorothea setting off for the North Pole before the others have started getting ready.
** In ''Pigeon Post'', Captain Flint's telegram says someone called Timothy will be coming to stay with the Swallows and Amazons. They think Timothy is some sort of animal, possibly an armadillo, and set to work making a "home" for him. Weeks go by and there's no sign of an armadillo. Then Captain Flint returns, and they learn that [[spoiler: Timothy is a person. In fact, he's their "rival prospector", Squashy Hat!]]



* TomboyAndGirlyGirl: There's a bit of tomboy going on with most of the girls, but Nancy, the quintissential tomboy who makes a point of doing everything John does, strikes a pretty clear comparison to [[TeamMom Susan's cooking, cleaning, and nursing]]. Subverted in that Susan and Nancy aren't close; pretty successful at having radically different styles of femininity without being judgemental.

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* TomboyAndGirlyGirl: There's a bit of tomboy going on with most of the girls, but Nancy, the quintissential quintessential tomboy who makes a point of doing everything John does, strikes a pretty clear comparison to [[TeamMom Susan's cooking, cleaning, and nursing]]. Subverted in that Susan and Nancy aren't close; pretty successful at having radically different styles of femininity without being judgemental.



* TwentyOneGunSalute: in ''Missee Lee'', with gongs instead of guns. Taicoons Chang and Wu are saluted with ten strokes of the gong; Missee Lee herself, being the overall chief, is saluted with 21 strokes.

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* TwentyOneGunSalute: in In ''Missee Lee'', with gongs instead of guns. Taicoons Chang and Wu are saluted with ten strokes of the gong; Missee Lee herself, being the overall chief, is saluted with 21 22 strokes.
20th Feb '16 9:33:54 AM GothicProphet
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* ScienceMarchesOn: Minor example with some of the statistics about the planets Dick reels off--after all, this was three decades before the Space Age. More egregiously in Winter Holiday the Doctor recommends rubbing snow on a frostbitten area, which advice is now known to be an "exploded theory". Dick explicitly calls up this as a real world trope (as "exploded theories").
2nd Jun '15 2:45:29 PM Vilui
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* AntiquatedLinguistics: Not really, but there are some noticeable shifts in the language since the books were written in TheThirties. For example, lamps are ''lighted'' rather than ''lit'', the word dispatches is spelled 'despatches', and a lot of foreign names and words are transliterated differently (like 'taicoon' for 'tycoon').

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* AntiquatedLinguistics: Not really, but there are some noticeable shifts in the language since the books were written in TheThirties. For example, lamps are ''lighted'' rather than ''lit'', the word dispatches is spelled 'despatches', and a lot of foreign names and words are transliterated differently (like 'taicoon' for 'tycoon').
20th May '15 1:25:55 PM shallowofslu
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** Averted in some reprints which change the name to "Tilly." Also in the 1962 BBC TV adaptation, which changed it to "Kitty".

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** Averted in some reprints which change the name to "Tilly." Also in the 1962 BBC TV adaptation, which changed it to "Kitty".
** The 1974 film implied that her full name was Titania - she is seen writing in an exercise book labelled "Titania Walker" - and therefore that "Titty" was a contraction of "Titania".
18th Jun '14 3:29:35 PM Pigeon_
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* NoodleIncident: There are a couple of one-sentence references to the tale of ''Peter Duck'' having been created by the children and Captain Flint in the winter following the events of ''Swallows and Amazons'' while living on board an old wherry. Nothing more about the events of that winter is ever mentioned.


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** Also the point in ''Pigeon Post'' where they are exploring an old mine working and the roof collapses behind them, blocking their exit. TruthInTelevision - the Lake District fells are stiff with old mine workings and most of them are bloody lethal to go into if you don't know what you're doing; collapsing roofs - and more unexpectedly, collapsing ''floors'' - are a very real danger.
18th Jun '14 3:14:36 PM Pigeon_
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* ArtisticLicenseShips: Obviously not the case for the books themselves, which have ShownTheirWork, but in the first story a young Roger starts insisting that the destroyer their military father serves on is 'a houseboat' because 'you live on it!'

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* ArtisticLicenseShips: Obviously not the case for the books themselves, which have ShownTheirWork, but in the first story a young Roger starts insisting that the destroyer their military father serves on is 'a houseboat' because 'you live on it!'it'!



* HaveAGayOldTime: Yes, the second-youngest Swallow really is called Titty. Her real name is unknown. This was the nickname of Mavis Altounyan, upon whom Titty Walker is based; whether the fictional Titty is also named Mavis is never stated. No, this is never relevant to the story, though Ransome did once acknowledge its oddness: ''You must be John and you're Susan. And that's Roger. Which is the one with the funny name?'' (''Secret Water'')

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* HaveAGayOldTime: Yes, the second-youngest Swallow really is called Titty. Her real name is unknown. This was the nickname of Mavis Altounyan, upon whom Titty Walker is based; whether the fictional Titty is also named Mavis is never stated. No, this is never relevant to the story, though Ransome did once acknowledge its oddness: ''You must be John and you're Susan. And that's Roger. Which is the one with the funny name?'' (''Secret Water'')Water'') The origin of the name is one of the title characters from a children's book, ''Titty Mouse and Tatty Mouse'', which was a favourite of Mavis Altounyan when she was small.



** Interviews with the by-then-elderly Walker family in the 1990s explained that Wild Cat Island was an exaggeration of reality -- there was such an island on the lake that they sailed to, but it was considerably smaller and they never considered camping there, and there was never any question of them camping out for weeks on end without an adult.

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** Interviews with the by-then-elderly Walker family in the 1990s explained that Wild Cat Island was an exaggeration of reality -- there was such an island on the lake that they sailed to, but it was considerably smaller and they never considered camping there, and there was never any question of them camping out for weeks on end without an adult. (The real island is mainly composed of jagged rock outcrops beneath a dense covering of trees; there is no place where it would be possible to pitch a tent. The harbour, however, is ''exactly'' as described and drawn in the books.)



** Jemmerling also makes it very clear that he intends to take credit for Dick's discovery himself. It is this rather than the money that really riles Captain Flint; the huge sums of money (for the time) he offers merely confirm his unscrupulous attitude.



--> Again a duck quacked loudly. It quacked two or three times, until a voice said sternly, "Stow it, you goat. Don't overdo things."



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* PirateParrotPirateParrot: Captain Flint's green parrot Polly (actually male), which he gives to Titty at the end of the first book in gratitude for the recovery of his typescript. It is a moment of minor triumph when the bird first says "Pieces of eight!"


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* TwentyOneGunSalute: in ''Missee Lee'', with gongs instead of guns. Taicoons Chang and Wu are saluted with ten strokes of the gong; Missee Lee herself, being the overall chief, is saluted with 21 strokes.
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