History Literature / DoAndroidsDreamOfElectricSheep

14th Aug '17 7:24:44 PM Josef5678
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* BlackMarketProduce: It's not elaborated upon as some examples, but Isidore mentions getting pre-war luxury food such as bean curd, peaches and wine off the black market for a hefty price for himself and Pris.

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* BlackMarketProduce: It's not elaborated upon as some examples, but Isidore mentions getting pre-war luxury food such as bean curd, peaches peaches, and wine off the black market for a hefty price for himself and Pris.



* HeelFaithTurn: [[spoiler:Deckard.]] More of an anti-hero faith turn.

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* %%* HeelFaithTurn: [[spoiler:Deckard.]] More of an anti-hero faith turn.



* ManipulativeBastard: Pris Stratton, Rachael Rosen.
* MindScrew: The climax.

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* %%* ManipulativeBastard: Pris Stratton, Rachael Rosen.
* %%* MindScrew: The climax.
14th Aug '17 5:11:32 PM Josef5678
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* {{Deuteragonist}}: J.R. Isidore.

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* %%* {{Deuteragonist}}: J.R. Isidore.



* StandardFemaleGrabArea: Deckard uses this on Luba Luft.

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* StandardFemaleGrabArea: Deckard uses this on Luba Luft. When previously cornered by the bounty hunter, she outsmarted him and managed to hold him at laser point. However, once he puts his hand "laxly onto her upper arm" she ceases all struggle.



* TomatoInTheMirror: Subverted. Phil Resch almost becomes convinced he's a robot, and has to take an empathy test to find out.

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* %%* TomatoInTheMirror: Subverted. Phil Resch almost becomes convinced he's a robot, and has to take an empathy test to find out.



* UnholyMatrimony: Roy and Irmgard Baty.

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* %%* UnholyMatrimony: Roy and Irmgard Baty.



* [[WorldWarWhatever World War Terminus]].

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* %%* [[WorldWarWhatever World War Terminus]].
13th Apr '17 9:11:25 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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* ANaziByAnyOtherName: Buster Friendly explicitly compares the empathy box to the tools Hitler used to come to power, i.e. the Aryan racial soul.

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* ANaziByAnyOtherName: Buster Friendly explicitly compares the empathy box to the tools Hitler [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler]] used to come to power, i.e. the Aryan racial soul.
27th Feb '17 7:01:38 PM Stellarvore
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* {{Bookends}}: [[spoiler:Begins and ends in Deckard's apartment, with his wife.]]
14th Nov '16 6:28:32 PM PaulA
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* BrokenAesop: ''Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?'' is somewhat divisive, with two very different interpretations and resulting reactions.
** On the one hand, Creator/RogerEbert compared Deckard to [[GodwinsLaw "A Nazi measuring noses"]], and AI advocates compare the story to ''Film/{{The Birth of a Nation|1915}}'' for AI: Should "friendly" AI ever come to be, the story's premise could be seen as insulting or paranoia-inducing to said synthetic beings- thus potentially triggering a [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LessWrong#Roko.27s_basilisk Roko's Basilisk]] scenario.
** On the other hand, many take away from the story the moral that the difference between appearance of a thing and the actuality of its identity (emotion/compassion apparently being the deontological decider for humanity) are moot: "If it talks, speaks, and thinks like a person, it is a person." It also questions if there is a difference between sentience and programmed routine, and what constitutes self-awareness. What, after all, is the difference between an AI given the ability to simulate emotion via TransferableMemory, and Deckard's wife experiencing artifical emotion from her empathy box?
7th Feb '16 7:26:45 PM CassandraLeo
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* WhatMeasureIsANonHuman: The book answers -- it's Weltschauung, the cultural framework each side exists in. Humans believe androids don't feel empathy, while androids believe empathy is the opiate of the masses. Dick stated he was inspired by reading the journals of Gestapo officers while researching ''Literature/TheManInTheHighCastle'' and couldn't believe they were human because of the dehumanizing atrocities they carried out. Many of Deckard's rants deliberately echo Nazi paranoia about the supposed Jewish-Bolshevik menace, such as their callous atheism and lack of empathy, their desire to supplant the "authentic" human, and their inability to be part of the Aryan racial soul (Mercerism). But despite that, the book itself shows he's clearly full of it, as evidenced by Irmgard Batty empathizing with Isidore at the conclusion.

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* WhatMeasureIsANonHuman: The book answers -- it's Weltschauung, Weltanschauung, the cultural framework each side exists in. Humans believe androids don't feel empathy, while androids believe empathy is the opiate of the masses. Dick stated he was inspired by reading the journals of Gestapo officers while researching ''Literature/TheManInTheHighCastle'' and couldn't believe they were human because of the dehumanizing atrocities they carried out. Many of Deckard's rants deliberately echo Nazi paranoia about the supposed Jewish-Bolshevik menace, such as their callous atheism and lack of empathy, their desire to supplant the "authentic" human, and their inability to be part of the Aryan racial soul (Mercerism). But despite that, the book itself shows he's clearly full of it, as evidenced by Irmgard Batty empathizing with Isidore at the conclusion.
15th Nov '15 12:51:16 PM WarriorsGate
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* DeliberateValuesDissonance: Given Dick's sympathetic portrayal of androids elsewhere (cf. "The Electric Ant"), one interpretation of the book is that messed-up post-apocalyptic society itself alienates the androids to the point that they have no empathy.

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* DeliberateValuesDissonance: Given Like many of Dick's sympathetic portrayal of androids elsewhere (cf. "The Electric Ant"), one interpretation books, it's an exploration of the Nazi mindset and the warped value system of people living inside a fascist society. But because of ''Film/BladeRunner'''s success, it's often the first Dick book is that messed-up post-apocalyptic society itself alienates the androids people pick up, and without a firm basis in Dick-ism, a reader might think Deckard's opinions are supposed to the point that they have no empathy.be taken at face value.



* DoAndroidsDream: The TropeNamer. [[spoiler:Androids ultimately ''do'' feel emotions, but are incapable of feeling empathy]].

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* DoAndroidsDream: The TropeNamer. [[spoiler:Androids ultimately ''do'' feel emotions, but are incapable and despite what human society says, at least one of feeling them demonstrates empathy]].



** Androids have no empathy. It's the only way to tell them apart from (''most'') real humans.

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** Androids Human society believes that androids have no empathy. It's empathy, and that empathy tests are the only way to tell them apart from (''most'') real humans.



* WhatMeasureIsANonHuman: The book answers -- it's Weltschauung, the cultural framework each side exists in. Dick stated he was inspired by reading the journals of Gestapo officers while researching ''Literature/TheManInTheHighCastle'' and couldn't believe they were human because of the atrocities they carried out. Many of Deckard's rants deliberately echo Nazi paranoia about the Jewish-Bolshevik menace, such as their callous atheism and lack of empathy, their desire to supplant the "authentic" human, and their inability to be part of the Aryan racial soul (Mercerism). But despite that, the book itself shows he's clearly full of it, as evidenced by Irmgard Batty freaking out over Isidore's sorrow.

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* WhatMeasureIsANonHuman: The book answers -- it's Weltschauung, the cultural framework each side exists in. Humans believe androids don't feel empathy, while androids believe empathy is the opiate of the masses. Dick stated he was inspired by reading the journals of Gestapo officers while researching ''Literature/TheManInTheHighCastle'' and couldn't believe they were human because of the dehumanizing atrocities they carried out. Many of Deckard's rants deliberately echo Nazi paranoia about the supposed Jewish-Bolshevik menace, such as their callous atheism and lack of empathy, their desire to supplant the "authentic" human, and their inability to be part of the Aryan racial soul (Mercerism). But despite that, the book itself shows he's clearly full of it, as evidenced by Irmgard Batty freaking out over Isidore's sorrow.empathizing with Isidore at the conclusion.
15th Nov '15 12:23:50 PM WarriorsGate
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* ANaziByAnyOtherName: Buster Friendly explicitly compares the empathy box to the tools Hitler used to come to power, i.e. the Aryan racial soul.



* UnbuiltTrope: Deconstructed the WhatMeasureIsANonHuman trope before ''Film/BladeRunner'' widely popularized it

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* UnbuiltTrope: Deconstructed the WhatMeasureIsANonHuman trope before ''Film/BladeRunner'' widely popularized itit.



* WhatMeasureIsANonHuman: The book answers -- it's empathy. Humans can feel for another's distress and act selflessly, while androids are incapable of doing so. Very little really separates Andies from sociopaths, who are incapable of feeling empathy for another living being. Deckard admits the only reason the Voight-Kampf test is effective is because of the assumption that ''all'' the human sociopaths are locked away in asylums. Just like real life sociopaths, the Andies have become masters of using charm and deception to manipulate other people's emotions for their own benefit. They also cannot comprehend the idea of a fictional character still being "real" to people or inspiring them. WordofGod states that Dick got the idea for the book because he couldn't believe the Nazis were human because of all the horrifying things they did to other people.

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* UnreliableNarrator: Despite Deckard's lengthy ranting about androids being incapable of empathy, Irmgard Batty clearly shows an emotional response to Isidore freaking out over the dead spider.
* WhatMeasureIsANonHuman: The book answers -- it's empathy. Humans can feel for another's distress and act selflessly, Weltschauung, the cultural framework each side exists in. Dick stated he was inspired by reading the journals of Gestapo officers while androids are incapable of doing so. Very little really separates Andies from sociopaths, who are incapable of feeling empathy for another living being. Deckard admits the only reason the Voight-Kampf test is effective is because of the assumption that ''all'' the human sociopaths are locked away in asylums. Just like real life sociopaths, the Andies have become masters of using charm researching ''Literature/TheManInTheHighCastle'' and deception to manipulate other people's emotions for their own benefit. They also cannot comprehend the idea of a fictional character still being "real" to people or inspiring them. WordofGod states that Dick got the idea for the book because he couldn't believe the Nazis they were human because of all the horrifying things atrocities they did carried out. Many of Deckard's rants deliberately echo Nazi paranoia about the Jewish-Bolshevik menace, such as their callous atheism and lack of empathy, their desire to other people.supplant the "authentic" human, and their inability to be part of the Aryan racial soul (Mercerism). But despite that, the book itself shows he's clearly full of it, as evidenced by Irmgard Batty freaking out over Isidore's sorrow.
11th Jul '15 7:42:13 PM Lamiaceae
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* OldShame: At one point, [=PKD=] claimed he loathed the book. However, that didn't stop him from turning down a $400,000 paycheck if he wrote a quickie junior novelization to tie into the film.
19th Feb '15 4:36:20 PM WarriorsGate
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* AdaptationExpansion: From his novella, "The Little Black Box," which introduced Mercerism and empathy boxes.



* DeliberateValuesDissonance: Given Dick's sympathetic portrayal of androids elsewhere (cf. "The Electric Ant"), one interpretation of the book is that messed-up post-apocalyptic society itself alienates the androids to the point that they have no empathy.



* OldShame: At one point, [=PKD=] claimed he loathed the book. However, that didn't stop him from turning down a $400,000 paycheck if he wrote a quickie junior novelization to tie into the film.



* TitleDrop: A partial one comes when Rick ponders about the thought, philosophy and emotional capacity of the escaped androids, and what it would take for them to want to come to earth. In context, the dreaming actually refers to an android's capability to long for a better life.

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* TitleDrop: A partial one comes when Rick ponders about the thought, philosophy and emotional capacity of the escaped androids, and what it would take for them to want to come to earth. In context, The full title, however, postdates the dreaming actually refers manuscript; Dick wanted to an android's capability call it either ''Do Androids Dream?'' or ''The Electric Sheep''. It was his publisher who decided to long for a better life. mash them together.
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