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*** The First Order can afford the losses; the Resistance can't. That one ship Poe threw away lives to destroy is a drop in their ocean of resources, while the Resistance has only a few hundred members left at this point, and Poe just through away a good chunk of ''that'' on a victory that achieved absolutely nothing beyond looking cool.
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* Elmo's attachment to his blanket in ''Film/TheAdventuresOfElmoInGrouchland'' is presented as him being greedy, as well as him refusing to share it with anyone else. However, Elmo having an attachment towards his blanket comes off as less of him being greedy and more as him being a child having an attachment towards a security blanket, which is perfectly normal for a child and not wanting to lose it or have it damaged by someone is also understandable. And Elmo did allow Zoe to hold his blanket for a couple of seconds, but Zoe's refusal to give back something that's not her personal belonging, and getting into a tug of war over the blanket with Elmo and resulting Elmo losing it makes Zoe come off as more of the one being greedy instead of Elmo. [[note]] A Season 50 episode from ''Series/SesameStreet'' rectifies this issue when Rudy takes Julia’s stuffed bunny to play with. Julia doesn’t take too kindly to it and begins throwing a tantrum. Alan explains to Rudy that Julia’s bunny is a comfort item that helps her when she’s scared or in a bad mood, so it’s not for sharing. Rudy understands and apologizes for taking Julia’s toy. [[/note]]

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* Elmo's attachment to his blanket in ''Film/TheAdventuresOfElmoInGrouchland'' is presented as him being greedy, as well as him refusing to share it with anyone else. However, Elmo having an attachment towards his blanket comes off as less of him being greedy and more as him being a child having an attachment towards attached to a security blanket, which is perfectly normal for a child and not wanting to lose it or have it damaged by someone is also understandable. And Elmo did allow Zoe to hold his blanket for a couple of seconds, but Zoe's refusal to give back something that's not her personal belonging, belonging and getting into a tug of war over the blanket with Elmo and resulting in Elmo losing it makes Zoe come off as more of the one being greedy instead of Elmo. [[note]] A Season 50 episode from ''Series/SesameStreet'' rectifies this issue when Rudy takes Julia’s Julia's stuffed bunny to play with. Julia doesn’t doesn't take too kindly to it and begins throwing a tantrum. Alan explains to Rudy that Julia’s Julia's bunny is a comfort item that helps her when she’s scared or in a bad mood, so it’s it's not for sharing. Rudy understands and apologizes for taking Julia’s Julia's toy. [[/note]]
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* ''Film/KaizokuSentaiTenGokaiger'': The movie frames Gai as being in the wrong for [[spoiler: distrusting (and eventually fighting) Captain Marvelous in the Super Sentai Derby Colosseum]] despite none of Gai's TrueCompanions ever bothering to let him in on [[FailureGambit what was]] [[TheCaper really going on with them]] or [[ManBehindTheMan why the Captain was suddenly opposing an otherwise-awesome-seeming Earth defense project]] until after the fact. The movie doesn't even attempt to HandWave this and effectively ignores it after Joe's brief aside, allowing the primary Gokaigers to demonstrate flawless teamwork amongst each other while holding Gai up to a clueless DoubleStandard.

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* ''Film/KaizokuSentaiTenGokaiger'': The movie frames Gai as being in the wrong for [[spoiler: distrusting (and ([[FightingYourFriend and eventually fighting) fighting]]) Captain Marvelous in the Super Sentai Derby Colosseum]] Colosseum over the Ranger Keys]] despite none of Gai's TrueCompanions ever bothering to let him in on [[FailureGambit what was]] [[TheCaper really going on with them]] or [[spoiler: [[ManBehindTheMan why the Captain was suddenly opposing an otherwise-awesome-seeming Earth defense project]] project]]]] until after the fact. The movie doesn't even attempt to HandWave this and effectively ignores it after Joe's brief aside, allowing the primary Gokaigers to demonstrate flawless teamwork amongst each other while holding Gai up to a clueless DoubleStandard.DoubleStandard for being LockedOutOfTheLoop.
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* ''Film/KaizokuSentaiTenGokaiger'': The movie frames Gai as being in the wrong for [[spoiler: distrusting (and eventually fighting) Captain Marvelous in the Super Sentai Derby Colosseum]] despite none of Gai's TrueCompanions ever bothering to let him in on [[FailureGambit what was]] [[TheCaper really going on with them]] or [[ManBehindTheMan why the Captain was suddenly opposing an otherwise-awesome-seeming Earth defense project]] until after the fact. The movie doesn't even attempt to HandWave this and effectively ignores it after Joe's brief aside, allowing the primary Gokaigers to demonstrate flawless teamwork amongst each other while holding Gai up to a clueless DoubleStandard.
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** Even before that, the conflict between Poe and Leia/Holdo is sparked by Poe's decisions in battle. He engages in what seems to be a diversion manuevre to buy the rest of the Resistance time to escape from a besieged base. Then he decides that while they're at it, they might as well try to make the First Order pay for the base they destroyed and take out their dreadnaught. He succeeds, disobeying Leia's order to disengage and sacrificing a dozen bombers in the process. Leia/Holdo immediately jump all over his case, calling him too violent and too hot-headed... except neither can coherently explain what '''exactly''' he did wrong. They don't mention any plans involving the lost bombers he might've thwarted, they don't deny that the dreadnaught was "a fleet killer", they don't accuse him of botching, or even threatening, the evacuation, and neither did his actions have nothing to do with First Order's ability to track the Rebels through hyperspace (like, if he inadvertantly bought the enemy the precious seconds they needed to lock onto the flagship). Yes, there was the issue of casualties, but, callous as it might sound, they were in a war, heavy casualties had always been the staple of Rebel operations against the Empire in the previous movies, and also it looks really weird for a general and an admiral to suddenly be this torn up and indignant about the loss of a couple dozen people, when literally none of the rank-and-file ever raises this issue, and even the sister of one of deceased pilots almost instantly joins with Poe.
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* Elmo's attachment to his blanket in ''Film/TheAdventuresOfElmoInGrouchland'' is presented as him being greedy, as well as him refusing to share it with anyone else. However, Elmo having an attachment towards his blanket comes off as less of him being greedy and more as him being a child having an attachment towards a security blanket, which is perfectly normal for a child and not wanting to lose it or have it damaged by someone is also understandable. And Elmo did allow Zoe to hold his blanket for a couple of seconds, but Zoe's refusal to give back something that's not her personal belonging, and getting into a tug of war over the blanket with Elmo and resulting Elmo losing it makes Zoe come off as more of the one being greedy instead of Elmo. [[note]] A Season 50 episode from ''Series/SesameStreet'' rectifies this issue when Rudy takes Julia’s stuffed bunny to play with. Julia doesn’t take too kindly to it and begins throwing a tantrum. Alan explains to Rudy that Julia’s bunny is a comfort item that helps her when she’s scared or in a bad mood, so it’s not for sharing. Rudy understands and apologizes for taking Julia’s toy. [[/folder]]

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* Elmo's attachment to his blanket in ''Film/TheAdventuresOfElmoInGrouchland'' is presented as him being greedy, as well as him refusing to share it with anyone else. However, Elmo having an attachment towards his blanket comes off as less of him being greedy and more as him being a child having an attachment towards a security blanket, which is perfectly normal for a child and not wanting to lose it or have it damaged by someone is also understandable. And Elmo did allow Zoe to hold his blanket for a couple of seconds, but Zoe's refusal to give back something that's not her personal belonging, and getting into a tug of war over the blanket with Elmo and resulting Elmo losing it makes Zoe come off as more of the one being greedy instead of Elmo. [[note]] A Season 50 episode from ''Series/SesameStreet'' rectifies this issue when Rudy takes Julia’s stuffed bunny to play with. Julia doesn’t take too kindly to it and begins throwing a tantrum. Alan explains to Rudy that Julia’s bunny is a comfort item that helps her when she’s scared or in a bad mood, so it’s not for sharing. Rudy understands and apologizes for taking Julia’s toy. [[/folder]][[/note]]

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* Elmo's attachment to his blanket in ''Film/TheAdventuresOfElmoInGrouchland'' is presented as him being greedy, as well as him refusing to share it with anyone else. However, Elmo having an attachment towards his blanket comes off as less of him being greedy and more as him being a child having an attachment towards a security blanket, which is perfectly normal for a child and not wanting to lose it or have it damaged by someone is also understandable. And Elmo did allow Zoe to hold his blanket for a couple of seconds, but Zoe's refusal to give back something that's not her personal belonging, and getting into a tug of war over the blanket with Elmo and resulting Elmo losing it makes Zoe come off as more of the one being greedy instead of Elmo.
** A Season 50 episode from ''Series/SesameStreet'' rectifies this issue when Rudy takes Julia’s stuffed bunny to play with. Julia doesn’t take too kindly to it and begins throwing a tantrum. Alan explains to Rudy that Julia’s bunny is a comfort item that helps her when she’s scared or in a bad mood, so it’s not for sharing. Rudy understands and apologizes for taking Julia’s toy.

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* Elmo's attachment to his blanket in ''Film/TheAdventuresOfElmoInGrouchland'' is presented as him being greedy, as well as him refusing to share it with anyone else. However, Elmo having an attachment towards his blanket comes off as less of him being greedy and more as him being a child having an attachment towards a security blanket, which is perfectly normal for a child and not wanting to lose it or have it damaged by someone is also understandable. And Elmo did allow Zoe to hold his blanket for a couple of seconds, but Zoe's refusal to give back something that's not her personal belonging, and getting into a tug of war over the blanket with Elmo and resulting Elmo losing it makes Zoe come off as more of the one being greedy instead of Elmo. \n** [[note]] A Season 50 episode from ''Series/SesameStreet'' rectifies this issue when Rudy takes Julia’s stuffed bunny to play with. Julia doesn’t take too kindly to it and begins throwing a tantrum. Alan explains to Rudy that Julia’s bunny is a comfort item that helps her when she’s scared or in a bad mood, so it’s not for sharing. Rudy understands and apologizes for taking Julia’s toy. [[/folder]]
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** A Season 50 episode rectifies this issue when Rudy takes Julia’s stuffed bunny to play with. Julia doesn’t take too kindly to it and begins throwing a tantrum. Alan explains to Rudy that Julia’s bunny is a comfort item that helps her when she’s scared or in a bad mood, so it’s not for sharing. Rudy understands and apologizes for taking Julia’s toy.

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** A Season 50 episode from ''Series/SesameStreet'' rectifies this issue when Rudy takes Julia’s stuffed bunny to play with. Julia doesn’t take too kindly to it and begins throwing a tantrum. Alan explains to Rudy that Julia’s bunny is a comfort item that helps her when she’s scared or in a bad mood, so it’s not for sharing. Rudy understands and apologizes for taking Julia’s toy.
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* Elmo's attachment to his blanket in '''Film/TheAdventuresOfElmoInGrouchland'' is presented as him being greedy, as well as him refusing to share it with anyone else. However, Elmo having an attachment towards his blanket comes off as less of him being greedy and more as him being a child having an attachment towards a security blanket, which is perfectly normal for a child and not wanting to lose it or have it damaged by someone is also understandable. And Elmo did allow Zoe to hold his blanket for a couple of seconds, but Zoe's refusal to give back something that's not her personal belonging, and getting into a tug of war over the blanket with Elmo and resulting Elmo losing it makes Zoe come off as more of the one being greedy instead of Elmo.

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* Elmo's attachment to his blanket in '''Film/TheAdventuresOfElmoInGrouchland'' ''Film/TheAdventuresOfElmoInGrouchland'' is presented as him being greedy, as well as him refusing to share it with anyone else. However, Elmo having an attachment towards his blanket comes off as less of him being greedy and more as him being a child having an attachment towards a security blanket, which is perfectly normal for a child and not wanting to lose it or have it damaged by someone is also understandable. And Elmo did allow Zoe to hold his blanket for a couple of seconds, but Zoe's refusal to give back something that's not her personal belonging, and getting into a tug of war over the blanket with Elmo and resulting Elmo losing it makes Zoe come off as more of the one being greedy instead of Elmo.
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* Elmo's attachment to his blanket in '''Film/TheAdventuresOfElmoInGrouchland'' is presented as him being greedy, as well as him refusing to share it with anyone else. However, Elmo having an attachment towards his blanket comes off as less of him being greedy and more as him being a child having an attachment towards a security blanket, which is perfectly normal for a child and not wanting to lose it or have it damaged by someone is also understandable. And Elmo did allow Zoe to hold his blanket for a couple of seconds, but Zoe's refusal to give back something that's not her personal belonging, and getting into a tug of war over the blanket with Elmo and resulting Elmo losing it makes Zoe come off as more of the one being greedy instead of Elmo.
** A Season 50 episode rectifies this issue when Rudy takes Julia’s stuffed bunny to play with. Julia doesn’t take too kindly to it and begins throwing a tantrum. Alan explains to Rudy that Julia’s bunny is a comfort item that helps her when she’s scared or in a bad mood, so it’s not for sharing. Rudy understands and apologizes for taking Julia’s toy.
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* In ''Film/{{Surrogates}}'' -- and, for that matter, almost every movie about virtual reality -- it's taken as a given that using artificial means to lead exactly the kind of life you want is inherently morally inferior to actually going out and leading your own boring life. Even though the users feel and experience everything their surrogates do (so it feels just as real as doing it in person except you won't die if, say, your parachute doesn't open), and actually are interacting with other people (they just don't see what they really look like), and the movie tells us in the opening that the use of Surrogates has ''almost completely wiped out racism and sexism.'' Not only that, but ''they had no murders for over a decade'' in the city of the film. Yeah, but... it's not ''real'', man! To really hammer home the informed wrongness, ''WesternAnimation/SpicyCity'' has an episode called "Love is a Download" with an almost identical concept to Surrogates, except it is shown as a happy ending when the two main characters, a victim of domestic abuse driven to suicide from always being treated as a sex object due to her looks and a hideously ugly computer technician who's been alone his whole life because of his looks, find love within the virtual world [[TrueBeautyIsOnTheInside where looks don't matter]].

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* In ''Film/{{Surrogates}}'' -- and, for that matter, almost every movie about which uses virtual reality to deliver an AntiEscapismAesop -- it's taken as a given that using artificial means to lead exactly the kind of life you want is inherently morally inferior to actually going out and leading your own boring life. Even though the users feel and experience everything their surrogates do (so it feels just as real as doing it in person except you won't die if, say, your parachute doesn't open), and actually are interacting with other people (they just don't see what they really look like), and the movie tells us in the opening that the use of Surrogates has ''almost completely wiped out racism and sexism.'' Not only that, but it was stated that the titular surrogates were initially developed to help people with disabilities, letting them do things they couldn't do with their organic bodies. To imply that they ought to give that up because it isn't "real" would be [[InspirationallyDisadvantaged SEVERELY patronizing]]. And if that's not enough, ''they had no murders for over a decade'' in the city of the film. Yeah, but... it's not ''real'', man! To really hammer home the informed wrongness, ''WesternAnimation/SpicyCity'' has an episode called "Love is a Download" with an almost identical concept to Surrogates, except it is shown as a happy ending when the two main characters, a victim of domestic abuse driven to suicide from always being treated as a sex object due to her looks and a hideously ugly computer technician who's been alone his whole life because of his looks, find love within the virtual world [[TrueBeautyIsOnTheInside where looks don't matter]].
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Peter has great power, so he has more responsibility than most. His reason for letting the criminal go wasn't concern for his own safety but spite.


* In ''Film/SpiderMan1'', Peter Parker was supposed to be in the wrong for letting the robber go instead of trying to stop him, which led to the death of Uncle Ben. However, this falls apart in the context of the situation. Not only was Peter just leaving after being supposedly scammed, ''he was effectively asked by a security guard to stop an armed robber.'' Any sensible normal teenager, even one with fighting experience, would have stepped aside out of common sense like he did, especially since it's not a smart idea to tackle someone with a loaded gun that could end getting you or the people near you shot and killed, something that in the real world any police officer or security guard would likely admonish a civilian for doing due to the great risk it brings to everyone involved.
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As the entry itself says, Cypher's position on being the in the Matrix is never said to be wrong, so there's no informed wrongness. He's only treated as villainous for his murderous treachery.


* ''Film/TheMatrix'': Cypher is the only one to see Matrix life as preferable. Granted, he killed almost all of his allies and also handed over Morpheus so that the machines could get the codes to Zion to finish off the rest of the free humans, all for a chance to return to the Matrix (with the possibility of him being RewardedAsATraitorDeserves), but still. The Matrix is treated as a horrible prison, and the machines as monsters for treating humanity that way. When in fact, the people who live in the Matrix are living better lives and people in the real world struggle just to survive. The real world planet has been turned into a total wasteland that can ''barely'' support life. Also, in order to get recruits, Morpheus deceives them by sparking their curiosity through extremely vague descriptions, no mention of a war that they are now obligated to be a part of, and also no mention of the fact that life in the real world completely sucks. Yet freedom is treated as the ultimate goal because, um, it's real or something. Cypher puts it best when he says "If you'd [Morpheus] told us the truth, we would've told you to shove that red pill right up your ass!" Made worse when it's mentioned that the Matrix originally was a perfect paradise for people, but human minds just wouldn't accept a perfect world, so the less perfect current version of the Matrix is essentially as good as they could do. The movie never actually says his points are ''wrong'', except for the part where he's willing to kill people in cold blood to achieve them, and to give up Morpheus. And the first part isn't that different from how Zionites treat people in the Matrix.
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** Likewise in ''Film/TheLastJedi'', Leia admonishes Poe Dameron for trying to act like a hero, saying that Admiral Holdo was truly doing something heroic through subtle action. While it is a BrokenBase, many fans agree with Poe and that his actions were just as [[LockedOutOfTheLoop he had no way of knowing any better as Holdo withheld crucial information from the crew]], and that Holdo made no attempt whatsoever to even ''imply'' to her men that she had any kind of plan whatsoever and that she wasn't just running scared. Also, [[PoorCommunicationKills the majority of Resistance members on the ship willingly disobeyed orders and sided with Poe because they were also kept in the dark about Holdo's plan but this was never addressed]]. Pretty much the only thing fans seem to agree on about this is that Poe's actions were ''illegal'', but with a lot of fans this counts for very little in a series where resisting the oppressive rule of an Empire and their evil laws is a central theme (not to mention, things in history like the UndergroundRailroad were illegal and undoubtedly in the right in spite of it).

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** Likewise in ''Film/TheLastJedi'', Leia admonishes Poe Dameron for trying to act like a hero, saying that Admiral Holdo was truly doing something heroic through subtle action. While it is a BrokenBase, many fans agree with Poe and that his actions were just as [[LockedOutOfTheLoop he had no way of knowing any better as Holdo withheld crucial information from the crew]], and that Holdo made no attempt whatsoever to even ''imply'' to her men that she had any kind of plan whatsoever and that she wasn't just running scared. Also, Holdo's churlish and childish obsession with taking Poe down a peg did nothing to inspire confidence or diffuse the situation, and is what actually pushed Poe from being reasonable and wanting to work with her to deciding she was just running scared and thus that a mutiny was their only hope for survival -- in fact he actually ''liked'' her plan once Leia explained it to him, thus he would have been wholly supportive had she just explained herself. Furthermore, [[PoorCommunicationKills the majority of Resistance members on the ship willingly disobeyed orders and sided with Poe because they were also kept in the dark about Holdo's plan but this was never addressed]]. Pretty much the only thing fans seem to agree on about this is that Poe's actions were ''illegal'', but with a lot of fans this counts for very little in a series where resisting the oppressive rule of an Empire and their evil laws is a central theme (not to mention, things in history like the UndergroundRailroad were illegal and undoubtedly in the right in spite of it).
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* In ''Film/SpiderMan1'', Peter Parker was supposed to be in the wrong for letting the robber go instead of trying to stop him, which led to the death of Uncle Ben. However, this falls apart in the context of the situation. Not only was Peter just leaving after being supposedly scammed, ''he was effectively asked by a security guard to stop an armed robber.'' Any sensible normal teenager, even one with fighting experience, would have stepped aside out of common sense like he did, especially since it's not a smart idea to tackle someone with a loaded gun that could end getting you or the people near you shot and killed.

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* In ''Film/SpiderMan1'', Peter Parker was supposed to be in the wrong for letting the robber go instead of trying to stop him, which led to the death of Uncle Ben. However, this falls apart in the context of the situation. Not only was Peter just leaving after being supposedly scammed, ''he was effectively asked by a security guard to stop an armed robber.'' Any sensible normal teenager, even one with fighting experience, would have stepped aside out of common sense like he did, especially since it's not a smart idea to tackle someone with a loaded gun that could end getting you or the people near you shot and killed. killed, something that in the real world any police officer or security guard would likely admonish a civilian for doing due to the great risk it brings to everyone involved.
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The subplot with the heater makes it very clear that much of the movie is shown through Kevin’s perspective. Marley seems scary to the audience because we see him through Kevin’s eyes. In the church scene, Kevin is thinking more clearly, sobered by his loneliness - he misses his family. This scene doesn’t work the same way without the earlier subjective framing.


* In ''Film/HomeAlone'', Kevin is portrayed as wrong for being afraid of Old Man Marley, with even the man himself politely chastising the kid for not being more friendly. Thing is Marley seems to go out of his way to be unnecessarily creepy at every opportunity, towering over the kid and glaring in a frightening and even threatening manner without speaking whenever they run into each other outside, making it pretty damned hard to fault the kid for being afraid of the guy even ''if'' he hadn't been fed a false "the guy's a murderer" story from his brother. Your totally average adult would be threatened by this kind of behavior. Not to mention, Kevin actually does warm up to the guy the second he drops this behavior and acts normally in the church, which passes without mention, making it pretty clear the kid wouldn't have been afraid of him if he didn't act the way he normally does.
** We actually get a repeat of this in the second film with Pigeon Lady. A woman who, when deciding to go and rescue a young boy who is alone in the middle of the park at night, slinks out of the shadows and ''slowly'' reaches down to free his leg without a single word. All she would have needed to say was ''hello, please may I help you?'' from a safe distance. And whilst the argument can be made that he would still have cause to fear her given his situation, it would still have made his anguished scream of terror at being jumped by her much less understandable.
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** ''Film/TheAvengers2012'': The titular group gives Nick Fury hell and a half for SHIELD using the Tesseract and recovered HYDRA technology to make weapons of their own, which Fury justifies because humanity is ''hopelessly'' outmatched by the likes of Asgardians and otherworldly threats. Nothing is said of the simple fact that Fury is ''absolutely right'', especially considering humanity's only other hope, the titular Avengers, are currently a ragtag unreliable group at best and that if they fail to come together or are otherwise defeated humanity will be completely helpless.

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** ''Film/TheAvengers2012'': The titular group gives Nick Fury hell and a half for SHIELD using the Tesseract and recovered HYDRA technology to make weapons of their own, which Fury justifies because humanity is ''hopelessly'' outmatched by the likes of Asgardians and otherworldly threats. Nothing is said of the simple fact that Fury is ''absolutely right'', especially considering humanity's only other hope, the titular Avengers, are currently a ragtag unreliable group at best and that if they fail to come together or are otherwise defeated humanity will be completely helpless. The criticisms also ring very hollow coming from Iron Man and Captain America, the former who relies on making weapons like SHIELD is doing and the latter who was created by the predecessors of SHIELD through a scientist rescued from HYDRA.
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Captain America came to be during a world war, when attitudes towards weapons are different than in peacetime. Iron Man stopped making weapons- that was a big plot point in the Iron Man film.


** ''Film/TheAvengers2012'': The titular group gives Nick Fury hell and a half for SHIELD using the Tesseract and recovered HYDRA technology to make weapons of their own, which Fury justifies because humanity is ''hopelessly'' outmatched by the likes of Asgardians and otherworldly threats. Nothing is said of the simple fact that Fury is ''absolutely right'', especially considering humanity's only other hope, the titular Avengers, are currently a ragtag unreliable group at best and that if they fail to come together or are otherwise defeated humanity will be completely helpless. The criticisms also ring very hollow coming from Iron Man and Captain America, the former who relies on making weapons like SHIELD is doing and the latter who was created by the predecessors of SHIELD through a scientist rescued from HYDRA.

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** ''Film/TheAvengers2012'': The titular group gives Nick Fury hell and a half for SHIELD using the Tesseract and recovered HYDRA technology to make weapons of their own, which Fury justifies because humanity is ''hopelessly'' outmatched by the likes of Asgardians and otherworldly threats. Nothing is said of the simple fact that Fury is ''absolutely right'', especially considering humanity's only other hope, the titular Avengers, are currently a ragtag unreliable group at best and that if they fail to come together or are otherwise defeated humanity will be completely helpless. The criticisms also ring very hollow coming from Iron Man and Captain America, the former who relies on making weapons like SHIELD is doing and the latter who was created by the predecessors of SHIELD through a scientist rescued from HYDRA.
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** Likewise in ''Film/TheLastJedi'', Leia admonishes Poe Dameron for trying to act like a hero, saying that Admiral Holdo was truly doing something heroic through subtle action. While it is a BrokenBase, many fans agree with Poe and that his actions were just as [[LockedOutOfTheLoop he no way of knowing any better as Holdo withheld crucial information from the crew]], and that Holdo made no attempt whatsoever to even ''imply'' to her men that she had any kind of plan whatsoever and that she wasn't just running scared. Also, [[PoorCommunicationKills the majority of Resistance members on the ship willingly disobeyed orders and sided with Poe because they were also kept in the dark about Holdo's plan but this was never addressed]]. Pretty much the only thing fans seem to agree on about this is that Poe's actions were ''illegal'', but with a lot of fans this counts for very little in a series where resisting the oppressive rule of an Empire and their evil laws is a central theme (not to mention, things in history like the UndergroundRailroad were illegal and undoubtedly in the right in spite of it).

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** Likewise in ''Film/TheLastJedi'', Leia admonishes Poe Dameron for trying to act like a hero, saying that Admiral Holdo was truly doing something heroic through subtle action. While it is a BrokenBase, many fans agree with Poe and that his actions were just as [[LockedOutOfTheLoop he had no way of knowing any better as Holdo withheld crucial information from the crew]], and that Holdo made no attempt whatsoever to even ''imply'' to her men that she had any kind of plan whatsoever and that she wasn't just running scared. Also, [[PoorCommunicationKills the majority of Resistance members on the ship willingly disobeyed orders and sided with Poe because they were also kept in the dark about Holdo's plan but this was never addressed]]. Pretty much the only thing fans seem to agree on about this is that Poe's actions were ''illegal'', but with a lot of fans this counts for very little in a series where resisting the oppressive rule of an Empire and their evil laws is a central theme (not to mention, things in history like the UndergroundRailroad were illegal and undoubtedly in the right in spite of it).
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** Han Solo is repeatedly portrayed as being in the wrong for wanting to leave to pay off his debt to Jabba the Hutt in ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack''. Nobody (except [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure General Riekann]]) acknowledges that he is a dead man if he doesn't pay it back, or that he's actively being hunted by bounty hunters who have already attempted to kill him in Mos Eisley ''and'' on Ord Mantell by the time the ''second film'' has started. Even when Han points out his concerns that the bounty hunters won't stop hunting him until he pays off his debt he's nevertheless dismissed as if he's just turning his back on the Rebellion's cause, and the possibility of [[TakeAThirdOption leaving, paying his debt, and coming back]] is never brought up either even though this would probably take only a day at most.

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** Han Solo is repeatedly portrayed as being in the wrong for wanting to leave to pay off his debt to Jabba the Hutt in ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack''. Nobody (except [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure General Riekann]]) acknowledges that he is a dead man if he doesn't pay it back, or that he's actively being hunted by bounty hunters who have already attempted to kill him in Mos Eisley ''and'' on Ord Mantell by the time the ''second film'' has started. Even when Han points out his concerns that the bounty hunters won't stop hunting him until he pays off his debt he's nevertheless dismissed as if he's just turning his back on the Rebellion's cause, and the possibility of [[TakeAThirdOption leaving, paying his debt, and coming back]] is never brought up either even though this would probably take only a day at most. This is made even worse in the remastered versions where it's shown Boba Fett was the one to track them to Cloud City which resulted in Luke's near death and Han being captured, as Fett's motivation for chasing them in the first place was to collect the bounty on Han's head.
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* In ''Film/AStarIsBorn2018'', Ally's manager Rez is treated as being in the wrong because he doesn't want Ally to bring Jackson with her on tour. Thing is, he's absolutely right not to want Jackson along because Ally spends all her time when he is with her coddling Jackson, checking up on him and neglecting her own work to babysit him and Jackson ruins Ally's award show by getting drunk and humiliating her on national television. When he gives Jackson a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech on his selfishness and how all he does is hold Ally back, it's treated as the final straw and part of the reason [[spoiler: Jackson committed suicide]], but it's Jackson's responsibility and Rez simply told him the truth he didn't want to hear.
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* In ''Film/SpiderMan1'', Peter Parker was supposed to be in the wrong for letting the robber go instead of trying to stop him, which led to the death of Uncle Ben. However, this falls apart in the context of the situation. Not only Peter was just leaving after being supposedly scammed, ''he was effectively asked by a security guard to stop an armed robber.'' Any sensible normal teenager, even one with fighting experience, would have stepped aside out of common sense like he did, especially since it's not a smart idea to tackle someone with a loaded gun that could end getting you or the people near you shot and killed.

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* In ''Film/SpiderMan1'', Peter Parker was supposed to be in the wrong for letting the robber go instead of trying to stop him, which led to the death of Uncle Ben. However, this falls apart in the context of the situation. Not only was Peter was just leaving after being supposedly scammed, ''he was effectively asked by a security guard to stop an armed robber.'' Any sensible normal teenager, even one with fighting experience, would have stepped aside out of common sense like he did, especially since it's not a smart idea to tackle someone with a loaded gun that could end getting you or the people near you shot and killed.
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** In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', the titular group gives Nick Fury hell and a half for SHIELD using the Tesseract and recovered HYDRA technology to make weapons of their own, which Fury justifies because humanity is ''hopelessly'' outmatched by the likes of Asgardians and otherworldly threats. Nothing is said of the simple fact that Fury is ''absolutely right'', especially considering humanity's only other hope, the titular Avengers, are currently a ragtag unreliable group at best and that if they fail to come together or are otherwise defeated humanity will be completely helpless. The criticisms also ring very hollow coming from Iron Man and Captain America, the former who relies on making weapons like SHIELD is doing and the latter who was created by the predecessors of SHIELD through a scientist rescued from HYDRA.
** In ''Film/AntMan1'', the villainous Darren Cross, determined to uncover the secret to shrinking technology, orders animal testing on lambs. His aide Hope is horrified (since the failed shrinking tech dissolves them into a tiny puddle of bloody goo) and asks why they aren't testing on mice instead. Cross snarls that there's no difference, but despite his ruthlessness he ''does'' have a point: both are just laboratory animals, and a mouse is too small to test shrinking tech that would eventually be used on a human. Also, the fact that Hope objects to the use of lambs but not mice indicates that she's more motivated by [[WhatMeasureIsANonCute the lambs' cuteness]] rather than actual ethics.

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** In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', the ''Film/TheAvengers2012'': The titular group gives Nick Fury hell and a half for SHIELD using the Tesseract and recovered HYDRA technology to make weapons of their own, which Fury justifies because humanity is ''hopelessly'' outmatched by the likes of Asgardians and otherworldly threats. Nothing is said of the simple fact that Fury is ''absolutely right'', especially considering humanity's only other hope, the titular Avengers, are currently a ragtag unreliable group at best and that if they fail to come together or are otherwise defeated humanity will be completely helpless. The criticisms also ring very hollow coming from Iron Man and Captain America, the former who relies on making weapons like SHIELD is doing and the latter who was created by the predecessors of SHIELD through a scientist rescued from HYDRA.
** In ''Film/AntMan1'', the ''Film/AntMan1'': The villainous Darren Cross, determined to uncover the secret to shrinking technology, orders animal testing on lambs. His aide Hope is horrified (since the failed shrinking tech dissolves them into a tiny puddle of bloody goo) and asks why they aren't testing on mice instead. Cross snarls that there's no difference, but despite his ruthlessness he ''does'' have a point: both are just laboratory animals, and a mouse is too small to test shrinking tech that would eventually be used on a human. Also, the fact that Hope objects to the use of lambs but not mice indicates that she's more motivated by [[WhatMeasureIsANonCute the lambs' cuteness]] rather than actual ethics.
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* In ''Film/HighSchoolMusical'', one of several mean things [[AlphaBitch Sharpay]] does... is help the [[ShrinkingViolet shy]] new girl at her school become friends with people who genuinely like and support her. Something Gabriella -- the girl in question -- openly appreciates. Granted, it's more done out of Sharpay's sense of ensuring everyone is in their "proper" place and still without consent, but it's not ''bad'' (even if the reasons aren't altruious).

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* In ''Film/HighSchoolMusical'', one of several mean things [[AlphaBitch Sharpay]] does... is help the [[ShrinkingViolet shy]] new girl at her school become friends with people who genuinely like and support her. Something Gabriella -- the girl in question -- openly appreciates. Granted, it's more done out of Sharpay's sense of ensuring everyone is in their "proper" place and still without consent, but it's not ''bad'' (even if the reasons aren't altruious).altruistic).

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** In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', the titular group gives Nick Fury hell and a half for SHIELD using the Tesseract and recovered HYDRA technology to make weapons of their own, which Fury justifies because humanity is ''hopelessly'' outmatched by the likes of Asgardians and otherworldly threats. Nothing is said of the simple fact that Fury is ''absolutely right'', especially considering humanity's only other hope, the titular Avengers, are currently a ragtag unreliable group at best and that if they fail to come together or are otherwise defeated humanity will be completely helpless. The criticisms also ring very hollow coming from Iron Man and Captain America, the former who relies on making weapons like SHIELD is doing and the latter who was created by the predecessors of SHIELD through a scientist rescued from HYDRA (though then again, that might be '''why''' they're saying as such given both would have reasons to distrust SHIELD and the US government of being responsible.) Furthermore, it's likely no one was thinking completely straight because of the Scepter's influence given what escalates soon after.

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** In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', the titular group gives Nick Fury hell and a half for SHIELD using the Tesseract and recovered HYDRA technology to make weapons of their own, which Fury justifies because humanity is ''hopelessly'' outmatched by the likes of Asgardians and otherworldly threats. Nothing is said of the simple fact that Fury is ''absolutely right'', especially considering humanity's only other hope, the titular Avengers, are currently a ragtag unreliable group at best and that if they fail to come together or are otherwise defeated humanity will be completely helpless. The criticisms also ring very hollow coming from Iron Man and Captain America, the former who relies on making weapons like SHIELD is doing and the latter who was created by the predecessors of SHIELD through a scientist rescued from HYDRA (though then again, that might be '''why''' they're saying as such given both would have reasons to distrust SHIELD and the US government of being responsible.) Furthermore, it's likely no one was thinking completely straight because of the Scepter's influence given what escalates soon after.HYDRA.



** In ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming'', the mentor-pupil conflict between Tony and Peter is supposed to be seen as Tony being the ExperiencedProtagonist who is right and correct, and Peter is the eager student getting too big for his boots. The problem with this is that Tony's "mentoring" of Peter just consists of him having Peter run around with the Spider-suit without teaching him how to use it and with no supervision other than Peter leaving Happy Hogan voicemails detailing his daily activities. At no point does Tony clarify why exactly he is training Peter in the first place, or what he expects of him, or how the latter fits in with his long-term Story Arc (post-Avengers 1) of preparing Earth for another alien invasion. Additionally, many of the things Tony chastises Peter for doing (being reckless and causing collateral damage) are things that Tony himself is guilty of and on a larger scale, making him come across as a complete {{Hypocrite}}. Lastly, when Peter tells him about the Vulture and his alien tech, Tony dismisses it as below the Avengers' pay grade [[spoiler:and tries having a bunch of FBI agents take care of it, [[LockedOutOfTheLoop without telling Peter his plan]], with disastrous results.]] The end result is that Tony comes off as a poor mentor who unfairly berates Peter for his own screw-ups.

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** In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', the titular group gives Nick Fury hell and a half for SHIELD using the Tesseract and recovered HYDRA technology to make weapons of their own, which Fury justifies because humanity is ''hopelessly'' outmatched by the likes of Asgardians and otherworldly threats. Nothing is said of the simple fact that Fury is ''absolutely right'', especially considering humanity's only other hope, the titular Avengers, are currently a ragtag unreliable group at best and that if they fail to come together or are otherwise defeated humanity will be completely helpless. The criticisms also ring very hollow coming from Iron Man and Captain America, the former who relies on making weapons like SHIELD is doing and the latter who was created by the predecessors of SHIELD through a scientist rescued from HYDRA.

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** In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', the titular group gives Nick Fury hell and a half for SHIELD using the Tesseract and recovered HYDRA technology to make weapons of their own, which Fury justifies because humanity is ''hopelessly'' outmatched by the likes of Asgardians and otherworldly threats. Nothing is said of the simple fact that Fury is ''absolutely right'', especially considering humanity's only other hope, the titular Avengers, are currently a ragtag unreliable group at best and that if they fail to come together or are otherwise defeated humanity will be completely helpless. The criticisms also ring very hollow coming from Iron Man and Captain America, the former who relies on making weapons like SHIELD is doing and the latter who was created by the predecessors of SHIELD through a scientist rescued from HYDRA.HYDRA (though then again, that might be '''why''' they're saying as such given both would have reasons to distrust SHIELD and the US government of being responsible.) Furthermore, it's likely no one was thinking completely straight because of the Scepter's influence given what escalates soon after.

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* In ''Film/HighSchoolMusical'', one of several mean things [[AlphaBitch Sharpay]] does... is help the [[ShrinkingViolet shy]] new girl at her school become friends with people who genuinely like and support her. Something Gabriella -- the girl in question -- openly appreciates. Admittedly, Sharpay only did that because [[LoveTriangle she wanted to distract Gabriella from Troy]], but it's still hard to take it as a malevolent act.

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* In ''Film/HighSchoolMusical'', one of several mean things [[AlphaBitch Sharpay]] does... is help the [[ShrinkingViolet shy]] new girl at her school become friends with people who genuinely like and support her. Something Gabriella -- the girl in question -- openly appreciates. Admittedly, Sharpay only did that because [[LoveTriangle she wanted to distract Gabriella from Troy]], Granted, it's more done out of Sharpay's sense of ensuring everyone is in their "proper" place and still without consent, but it's still hard to take it as a malevolent act.not ''bad'' (even if the reasons aren't altruious).

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* ''Film/TheWizard'' has an antagonist whose job is finding the missing children and bringing them home. He might occasionally PokeThePoodle and be a JerkAss, but the bad guy's job [[DesignatedVillain is locating missing kids for their parents]]. The movie tries to sell him as a villain. When he is hit with a false accusation of sexual assault by an underage girl, ''The Wizard'' portrays this as [[GuileHero heroic cleverness]] on the girl's part.



* ''Film/TheWizard'' has an antagonist whose job is finding the missing children and bringing them home. He might occasionally PokeThePoodle and be a JerkAss, but the bad guy's job [[DesignatedVillain is locating missing kids for their parents]]. The movie tries to sell him as a villain. When he is hit with a false accusation of sexual assault by an underage girl, ''The Wizard'' portrays this as [[GuileHero heroic cleverness]] on the girl's part.

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* In ''Film/{{Showgirls}}'' the main character [[MeaningfulName Nomi]] works in a strip club and aspires to be a topless dancer in a Las Vegas show. At one point she gives a man a lapdance that amounts to sex with a denim condom, she was perfectly willing to do what came down to live, on-stage lesbian sex, screwing her boss to get a higher position, and pushing the lead dancer down the stairs to get her job, but when she's asked during an audition to use ice cubes to make herself more ''*ahem*'' "perky", her angry refusal is treated as a display of strength of character. Why the line of moral compromise is drawn at that exact point is perhaps the only thing the movie leaves to the viewer's imagination. Furthermore, her later use of ice cubes after she joins Goddess is intended to be a sign that she's "losing herself."
* In ''Film/{{Surrogates}}'' -- and, for that matter, almost every movie about virtual reality -- it's taken as a given that using artificial means to lead exactly the kind of life you want is inherently morally inferior to actually going out and leading your own boring life. Even though the users feel and experience everything their surrogates do (so it feels just as real as doing it in person except you won't die if, say, your parachute doesn't open), and actually are interacting with other people (they just don't see what they really look like), and the movie tells us in the opening that the use of Surrogates has ''almost completely wiped out racism and sexism.'' Not only that, but ''they had no murders for over a decade'' in the city of the film. Yeah, but... it's not ''real'', man! To really hammer home the informed wrongness, ''WesternAnimation/SpicyCity'' has an episode called "Love is a Download" with an almost identical concept to Surrogates, except it is shown as a happy ending when the two main characters, a victim of domestic abuse driven to suicide from always being treated as a sex object due to her looks and a hideously ugly computer technician who's been alone his whole life because of his looks, find love within the virtual world [[TrueBeautyIsOnTheInside where looks don't matter]].
* Similarly, in ''Film/TheMatrix''. Cypher is the only one to see Matrix life as preferable. Granted, he killed almost all of his allies and also handed over Morpheus so that the machines could get the codes to Zion to finish off the rest of the free humans, all for a chance to return to the Matrix (with the possibility of him being RewardedAsATraitorDeserves), but still. The Matrix is treated as a horrible prison, and the machines as monsters for treating humanity that way. When in fact, the people who live in the Matrix are living better lives and people in the real world struggle just to survive. The real world planet has been turned into a total wasteland that can ''barely'' support life. Also, in order to get recruits, Morpheus deceives them by sparking their curiosity through extremely vague descriptions, no mention of a war that they are now obligated to be a part of, and also no mention of the fact that life in the real world completely sucks. Yet freedom is treated as the ultimate goal because, um, it's real or something. Cypher puts it best when he says "If you'd [Morpheus] told us the truth, we would've told you to shove that red pill right up your ass!" Made worse when it's mentioned that the Matrix originally was a perfect paradise for people, but human minds just wouldn't accept a perfect world, so the less perfect current version of the Matrix is essentially as good as they could do. The movie never actually says his points are ''wrong'', except for the part where he's willing to kill people in cold blood to achieve them, and to give up Morpheus. And the first part isn't that different from how Zionites treat people in the Matrix.

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* The LifetimeMovieOfTheWeek ''Film/CyberSeductionHisSecretLife'' informs us so about Internet porn. It's something that's so wrong it [[SpaceWhaleAesop causes Justin to suddenly suck at swimming, get rejected by the cool kids, end up beaten up
and aspires to be a topless dancer in a Las Vegas show. At one point she gives a man a lapdance that amounts to sex with a denim condom, she was perfectly willing to do what came down to live, on-stage lesbian sex, screwing her boss to suicidal]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and get a higher position, and pushing addicted to energy drinks]]. And this is just from looking at the lead dancer down the stairs to get her job, but when she's asked during an audition to use ice cubes to make herself more ''*ahem*'' "perky", her angry refusal is treated as a display of strength of character. Why the line of moral compromise is drawn at that exact point is perhaps the only thing softcore stuff the movie leaves is able to the viewer's imagination. Furthermore, her later use of ice cubes after she joins Goddess is intended to be a sign show... Justin's father does say that she's "losing herself."
* In ''Film/{{Surrogates}}'' -- and, for that matter, almost every movie about virtual reality -- it's taken as a given that using artificial means to lead exactly the kind of life you want is inherently morally inferior to actually going out and leading your own boring life. Even though the users feel and experience everything their surrogates do (so it feels just as real as doing it in person except you won't die if, say, your parachute doesn't open), and actually are interacting with other people (they just don't see what they really look like), and the movie tells us in the opening that the use of Surrogates has ''almost completely wiped out racism and sexism.'' Not only that, but ''they had no murders for over a decade'' in the city of the film. Yeah, but... it's not ''real'', man! To really hammer home the informed wrongness, ''WesternAnimation/SpicyCity'' has an episode called "Love is a Download" with an almost identical concept to Surrogates, except it is shown as a happy ending when the two main characters, a victim of domestic abuse driven to suicide from always being treated as a sex object due to her looks and a hideously ugly computer technician who's been alone his whole life because of his looks, find love within the virtual world [[TrueBeautyIsOnTheInside where looks don't matter]].
* Similarly, in ''Film/TheMatrix''. Cypher is the only one to see Matrix life as preferable. Granted, he killed almost all of his allies and also handed over Morpheus so that the machines could get the codes to Zion to finish off the rest of the free humans, all for a chance to return to the Matrix (with the possibility of him being RewardedAsATraitorDeserves), but still. The Matrix is treated as a horrible prison, and the machines as monsters for treating humanity that way. When in fact, the people who live in the Matrix are living better lives and people in the real world struggle just to survive. The real world planet has been turned into a total wasteland that can ''barely'' support life. Also, in order to get recruits, Morpheus deceives them by sparking their curiosity through extremely vague descriptions, no mention of a war that they are now obligated to be a part of, and also no mention of the fact that life in the real world completely sucks. Yet freedom is treated as the ultimate goal because, um, it's real or something. Cypher puts it best when he says "If you'd [Morpheus] told us the truth, we would've told you to shove that red pill right up your ass!" Made worse when it's mentioned that the Matrix originally was a perfect paradise for people, but human minds just wouldn't accept a perfect world, so the less perfect current version of the Matrix is essentially as good as they could do. The movie never actually says his points are ''wrong'', except for the part where he's willing to kill people in cold blood to achieve them, and to give up Morpheus. And the first part
Justin looking at porn isn't that different from how Zionites treat people big of a deal, but [[TheUnfairSex being a man in the Matrix.a Lifetime movie]], he of course is wrong by default.



* A movie called ''Film/WomenObsessed'' shows a man physically beating his new wife and menacing his stepson. At one point he seemingly rapes the wife (which is a case of WhatHappenedToTheMouse since we don't see what happens after he closes the door). She gets pregnant by him and ends up losing the baby. He carries her six miles to the hospital. At the doctor's house, she tells the doctor that she wants to leave him because he's abusive. The doctor then chastises her because of his heroics last night. She's portrayed as wrong in this situation and the movie ends ''with her begging him for forgiveness.'' This is also a case of ValuesDissonance, since the movie was made in 1959, a time when attitudes towards spousal and parental abuse were in several ways very different.
* Mickey in ''Film/ShesTheOne'' falls out with his new wife Hope for assuming he would go to Paris with her without discussing it with him first, which seems like a reasonable point, yet he is blamed for it and says himself that ''he'' ruined the relationship. The only reason given for him being to blame is that he "didn't fight for her" but Hope didn't fight for him either and was in the wrong in the first place.
* ''Film/TheWizard'' has an antagonist whose job is finding the missing children and bringing them home. He might occasionally PokeThePoodle and be a JerkAss, but the bad guy's job [[DesignatedVillain is locating missing kids for their parents]]. The movie tries to sell him as a villain. When he is hit with a false accusation of sexual assault by an underage girl, ''The Wizard'' portrays this as [[GuileHero heroic cleverness]] on the girl's part.
* The LifetimeMovieOfTheWeek ''Film/CyberSeductionHisSecretLife'' informs us so about Internet porn. It's something that's so wrong it [[SpaceWhaleAesop causes Justin to suddenly suck at swimming, get rejected by the cool kids, end up beaten up and suicidal]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and get addicted to energy drinks]]. And this is just from looking at the softcore stuff the movie is able to show... Justin's father does say that Justin looking at porn isn't that big of a deal, but [[TheUnfairSex being a man in a Lifetime movie]], he of course is wrong by default.
* ''Film/SchoolOfRock'' depicts Ned's girlfriend Patty as being pushy and hypocritical because she "forces" him to demand Dewey actually get a job and pay his ''massive'' rent debt. Even though this is a rather reasonable demand, since Dewey isn't terribly concerned with what a drag he is on Ned. She is also supposed to be seen as hypocritical by pointing out that Dewey steps all over him and manipulates him... even though he does ''exactly that'' to Ned. To the point of engaging in identity theft to get a job under his name and trying to beg that he not do anything about it when Ned finds out. She's later further villainized for convincing Ned to press charges over the identity theft. At no point in the film is Dewey ever truly sorry for what he pulls on Ned and how many laws he broke or even that what he did could seriously impact Ned's own career as a teacher. For starters, the income from the job that Ned technically lost out on since Dewey took it from him, or what would happen when Ned didn't declare income from a job unknowingly taken under his name on his taxes. Dewey ''does'' acknowledge that what he did to the kids was wrong, but he's not ever aware of how much he took advantage of his roommate either. The moment where Ned breaks up with Patty for Dewey's concert is supposed to be a triumph of assertiveness when her only crime is being kind of aggressive over Ned not ever standing up for himself and being taken advantage of. Along that line, the parents of the children in Dewey's class aren't exactly unreasonable for being upset that their kids are learning nothing but rock music, and no academics, for weeks or months on end. Even many rock-loving parents would be bothered by how this would set their kids up for some serious educational problems later in the area (for being behind all the other classes in their grade).



* In ''Film/HomeAlone'', Kevin is portrayed as wrong for being afraid of Old Man Marley, with even the man himself politely chastising the kid for not being more friendly. Thing is Marley seems to go out of his way to be unnecessarily creepy at every opportunity, towering over the kid and glaring in a frightening and even threatening manner without speaking whenever they run into each other outside, making it pretty damned hard to fault the kid for being afraid of the guy even ''if'' he hadn't been fed a false "the guy's a murderer" story from his brother. Your totally average adult would be threatened by this kind of behavior. Not to mention, Kevin actually does warm up to the guy the second he drops this behavior and acts normally in the church, which passes without mention, making it pretty clear the kid wouldn't have been afraid of him if he didn't act the way he normally does.
** We actually get a repeat of this in the second film with Pigeon Lady. A woman who, when deciding to go and rescue a young boy who is alone in the middle of the park at night, slinks out of the shadows and ''slowly'' reaches down to free his leg without a single word. All she would have needed to say was ''hello, please may I help you?'' from a safe distance. And whilst the argument can be made that he would still have cause to fear her given his situation, it would still have made his anguished scream of terror at being jumped by her much less understandable.



* ''Film/TheMatrix'': Cypher is the only one to see Matrix life as preferable. Granted, he killed almost all of his allies and also handed over Morpheus so that the machines could get the codes to Zion to finish off the rest of the free humans, all for a chance to return to the Matrix (with the possibility of him being RewardedAsATraitorDeserves), but still. The Matrix is treated as a horrible prison, and the machines as monsters for treating humanity that way. When in fact, the people who live in the Matrix are living better lives and people in the real world struggle just to survive. The real world planet has been turned into a total wasteland that can ''barely'' support life. Also, in order to get recruits, Morpheus deceives them by sparking their curiosity through extremely vague descriptions, no mention of a war that they are now obligated to be a part of, and also no mention of the fact that life in the real world completely sucks. Yet freedom is treated as the ultimate goal because, um, it's real or something. Cypher puts it best when he says "If you'd [Morpheus] told us the truth, we would've told you to shove that red pill right up your ass!" Made worse when it's mentioned that the Matrix originally was a perfect paradise for people, but human minds just wouldn't accept a perfect world, so the less perfect current version of the Matrix is essentially as good as they could do. The movie never actually says his points are ''wrong'', except for the part where he's willing to kill people in cold blood to achieve them, and to give up Morpheus. And the first part isn't that different from how Zionites treat people in the Matrix.
* ''Film/SchoolOfRock'' depicts Ned's girlfriend Patty as being pushy and hypocritical because she "forces" him to demand Dewey actually get a job and pay his ''massive'' rent debt. Even though this is a rather reasonable demand, since Dewey isn't terribly concerned with what a drag he is on Ned. She is also supposed to be seen as hypocritical by pointing out that Dewey steps all over him and manipulates him... even though he does ''exactly that'' to Ned. To the point of engaging in identity theft to get a job under his name and trying to beg that he not do anything about it when Ned finds out. She's later further villainized for convincing Ned to press charges over the identity theft. At no point in the film is Dewey ever truly sorry for what he pulls on Ned and how many laws he broke or even that what he did could seriously impact Ned's own career as a teacher. For starters, the income from the job that Ned technically lost out on since Dewey took it from him, or what would happen when Ned didn't declare income from a job unknowingly taken under his name on his taxes. Dewey ''does'' acknowledge that what he did to the kids was wrong, but he's not ever aware of how much he took advantage of his roommate either. The moment where Ned breaks up with Patty for Dewey's concert is supposed to be a triumph of assertiveness when her only crime is being kind of aggressive over Ned not ever standing up for himself and being taken advantage of. Along that line, the parents of the children in Dewey's class aren't exactly unreasonable for being upset that their kids are learning nothing but rock music, and no academics, for weeks or months on end. Even many rock-loving parents would be bothered by how this would set their kids up for some serious educational problems later in the area (for being behind all the other classes in their grade).
* Mickey in ''Film/ShesTheOne'' falls out with his new wife Hope for assuming he would go to Paris with her without discussing it with him first, which seems like a reasonable point, yet he is blamed for it and says himself that ''he'' ruined the relationship. The only reason given for him being to blame is that he "didn't fight for her" but Hope didn't fight for him either and was in the wrong in the first place.
* In ''Film/{{Showgirls}}'', the main character [[MeaningfulName Nomi]] works in a strip club and aspires to be a topless dancer in a Las Vegas show. At one point she gives a man a lapdance that amounts to sex with a denim condom, she was perfectly willing to do what came down to live, on-stage lesbian sex, screwing her boss to get a higher position, and pushing the lead dancer down the stairs to get her job, but when she's asked during an audition to use ice cubes to make herself more ''*ahem*'' "perky", her angry refusal is treated as a display of strength of character. Why the line of moral compromise is drawn at that exact point is perhaps the only thing the movie leaves to the viewer's imagination. Furthermore, her later use of ice cubes after she joins Goddess is intended to be a sign that she's "losing herself."
* In ''Film/SpiderMan1'', Peter Parker was supposed to be in the wrong for letting the robber go instead of trying to stop him, which led to the death of Uncle Ben. However, this falls apart in the context of the situation. Not only Peter was just leaving after being supposedly scammed, ''he was effectively asked by a security guard to stop an armed robber.'' Any sensible normal teenager, even one with fighting experience, would have stepped aside out of common sense like he did, especially since it's not a smart idea to tackle someone with a loaded gun that could end getting you or the people near you shot and killed.



* In ''Film/HomeAlone'', Kevin is portrayed as wrong for being afraid of Old Man Marley, with even the man himself politely chastising the kid for not being more friendly. Thing is Marley seems to go out of his way to be unnecessarily creepy at every opportunity, towering over the kid and glaring in a frightening and even threatening manner without speaking whenever they run into each other outside, making it pretty damned hard to fault the kid for being afraid of the guy even ''if'' he hadn't been fed a false "the guy's a murderer" story from his brother. Your totally average adult would be threatened by this kind of behavior. Not to mention, Kevin actually does warm up to the guy the second he drops this behavior and acts normally in the church, which passes without mention, making it pretty clear the kid wouldn't have been afraid of him if he didn't act the way he normally does.
** We actually get a repeat of this in the second film with Pigeon Lady. A woman who, when deciding to go and rescue a young boy who is alone in the middle of the park at night, slinks out of the shadows and ''slowly'' reaches down to free his leg without a single word. All she would have needed to say was ''hello, please may I help you?'' from a safe distance. And whilst the argument can be made that he would still have cause to fear her given his situation, it would still have made his anguished scream of terror at being jumped by her much less understandable.

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* In ''Film/HomeAlone'', Kevin ''Film/{{Surrogates}}'' -- and, for that matter, almost every movie about virtual reality -- it's taken as a given that using artificial means to lead exactly the kind of life you want is inherently morally inferior to actually going out and leading your own boring life. Even though the users feel and experience everything their surrogates do (so it feels just as real as doing it in person except you won't die if, say, your parachute doesn't open), and actually are interacting with other people (they just don't see what they really look like), and the movie tells us in the opening that the use of Surrogates has ''almost completely wiped out racism and sexism.'' Not only that, but ''they had no murders for over a decade'' in the city of the film. Yeah, but... it's not ''real'', man! To really hammer home the informed wrongness, ''WesternAnimation/SpicyCity'' has an episode called "Love is a Download" with an almost identical concept to Surrogates, except it is shown as a happy ending when the two main characters, a victim of domestic abuse driven to suicide from always being treated as a sex object due to her looks and a hideously ugly computer technician who's been alone his whole life because of his looks, find love within the virtual world [[TrueBeautyIsOnTheInside where looks don't matter]].
* A movie called ''Film/WomenObsessed'' shows a man physically beating his new wife and menacing his stepson. At one point he seemingly rapes the wife (which is a case of WhatHappenedToTheMouse since we don't see what happens after he closes the door). She gets pregnant by him and ends up losing the baby. He carries her six miles to the hospital. At the doctor's house, she tells the doctor that she wants to leave him because he's abusive. The doctor then chastises her because of his heroics last night. She's
portrayed as wrong in this situation and the movie ends ''with her begging him for being afraid forgiveness.'' This is also a case of Old Man Marley, with even ValuesDissonance, since the man himself politely chastising movie was made in 1959, a time when attitudes towards spousal and parental abuse were in several ways very different.
* ''Film/TheWizard'' has an antagonist whose job is finding
the kid for not being more friendly. Thing is Marley seems to go out of his way to missing children and bringing them home. He might occasionally PokeThePoodle and be unnecessarily creepy at every opportunity, towering over a JerkAss, but the kid and glaring in a frightening and even threatening manner without speaking whenever they run into each other outside, making it pretty damned hard to fault the kid for being afraid of the guy even ''if'' he hadn't been fed a false "the bad guy's job [[DesignatedVillain is locating missing kids for their parents]]. The movie tries to sell him as a murderer" story from his brother. Your totally average adult would be threatened villain. When he is hit with a false accusation of sexual assault by an underage girl, ''The Wizard'' portrays this kind of behavior. Not to mention, Kevin actually does warm up to as [[GuileHero heroic cleverness]] on the guy the second he drops this behavior and acts normally in the church, which passes without mention, making it pretty clear the kid wouldn't have been afraid of him if he didn't act the way he normally does.
** We actually get a repeat of this in the second film with Pigeon Lady. A woman who, when deciding to go and rescue a young boy who is alone in the middle of the park at night, slinks out of the shadows and ''slowly'' reaches down to free his leg without a single word. All she would have needed to say was ''hello, please may I help you?'' from a safe distance. And whilst the argument can be made that he would still have cause to fear her given his situation, it would still have made his anguished scream of terror at being jumped by her much less understandable.
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* In ''Film/{{Showgirls}}'' the main character [[MeaningfulName Nomi]] works in a strip club and aspires to be a topless dancer in a Las Vegas show. At one point she gives a man a lapdance that amounts to sex with a denim condom, she was perfectly willing to do what came down to live, on-stage lesbian sex, screwing her boss to get a higher position, and pushing the lead dancer down the stairs to get her job, but when she's asked during an audition to use ice cubes to make herself more ''*ahem*'' "perky", her angry refusal is treated as a display of strength of character. Why the line of moral compromise is drawn at that exact point is perhaps the only thing the movie leaves to the viewer's imagination. Furthermore, her later use of ice cubes after she joins Goddess is intended to be a sign that she's "losing herself."
* In ''Film/{{Surrogates}}'' -- and, for that matter, almost every movie about virtual reality -- it's taken as a given that using artificial means to lead exactly the kind of life you want is inherently morally inferior to actually going out and leading your own boring life. Even though the users feel and experience everything their surrogates do (so it feels just as real as doing it in person except you won't die if, say, your parachute doesn't open), and actually are interacting with other people (they just don't see what they really look like), and the movie tells us in the opening that the use of Surrogates has ''almost completely wiped out racism and sexism.'' Not only that, but ''they had no murders for over a decade'' in the city of the film. Yeah, but... it's not ''real'', man! To really hammer home the informed wrongness, ''WesternAnimation/SpicyCity'' has an episode called "Love is a Download" with an almost identical concept to Surrogates, except it is shown as a happy ending when the two main characters, a victim of domestic abuse driven to suicide from always being treated as a sex object due to her looks and a hideously ugly computer technician who's been alone his whole life because of his looks, find love within the virtual world [[TrueBeautyIsOnTheInside where looks don't matter]].
* Similarly, in ''Film/TheMatrix''. Cypher is the only one to see Matrix life as preferable. Granted, he killed almost all of his allies and also handed over Morpheus so that the machines could get the codes to Zion to finish off the rest of the free humans, all for a chance to return to the Matrix (with the possibility of him being RewardedAsATraitorDeserves), but still. The Matrix is treated as a horrible prison, and the machines as monsters for treating humanity that way. When in fact, the people who live in the Matrix are living better lives and people in the real world struggle just to survive. The real world planet has been turned into a total wasteland that can ''barely'' support life. Also, in order to get recruits, Morpheus deceives them by sparking their curiosity through extremely vague descriptions, no mention of a war that they are now obligated to be a part of, and also no mention of the fact that life in the real world completely sucks. Yet freedom is treated as the ultimate goal because, um, it's real or something. Cypher puts it best when he says "If you'd [Morpheus] told us the truth, we would've told you to shove that red pill right up your ass!" Made worse when it's mentioned that the Matrix originally was a perfect paradise for people, but human minds just wouldn't accept a perfect world, so the less perfect current version of the Matrix is essentially as good as they could do. The movie never actually says his points are ''wrong'', except for the part where he's willing to kill people in cold blood to achieve them, and to give up Morpheus. And the first part isn't that different from how Zionites treat people in the Matrix.
* Ed Rooney in ''Film/FerrisBuellersDayOff'' is depicted as a JerkAss DeanBitterman who's [[InspectorJavert going overboard]] with trying to discipline Ferris (admittedly, he broke the law and committed animal cruelty), though that doesn't change the fact that Ferris ''is'' skipping school, has done so ''at least nine times'' prior (he hacks into the school computer to change the records), and does so by blatantly exploiting the good will of everyone, including his parents.
* A movie called ''Film/WomenObsessed'' shows a man physically beating his new wife and menacing his stepson. At one point he seemingly rapes the wife (which is a case of WhatHappenedToTheMouse since we don't see what happens after he closes the door). She gets pregnant by him and ends up losing the baby. He carries her six miles to the hospital. At the doctor's house, she tells the doctor that she wants to leave him because he's abusive. The doctor then chastises her because of his heroics last night. She's portrayed as wrong in this situation and the movie ends ''with her begging him for forgiveness.'' This is also a case of ValuesDissonance, since the movie was made in 1959, a time when attitudes towards spousal and parental abuse were in several ways very different.
* Mickey in ''Film/ShesTheOne'' falls out with his new wife Hope for assuming he would go to Paris with her without discussing it with him first, which seems like a reasonable point, yet he is blamed for it and says himself that ''he'' ruined the relationship. The only reason given for him being to blame is that he "didn't fight for her" but Hope didn't fight for him either and was in the wrong in the first place.
* ''Film/TheWizard'' has an antagonist whose job is finding the missing children and bringing them home. He might occasionally PokeThePoodle and be a JerkAss, but the bad guy's job [[DesignatedVillain is locating missing kids for their parents]]. The movie tries to sell him as a villain. When he is hit with a false accusation of sexual assault by an underage girl, ''The Wizard'' portrays this as [[GuileHero heroic cleverness]] on the girl's part.
* The LifetimeMovieOfTheWeek ''Film/CyberSeductionHisSecretLife'' informs us so about Internet porn. It's something that's so wrong it [[SpaceWhaleAesop causes Justin to suddenly suck at swimming, get rejected by the cool kids, end up beaten up and suicidal]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and get addicted to energy drinks]]. And this is just from looking at the softcore stuff the movie is able to show... Justin's father does say that Justin looking at porn isn't that big of a deal, but [[TheUnfairSex being a man in a Lifetime movie]], he of course is wrong by default.
* ''Film/SchoolOfRock'' depicts Ned's girlfriend Patty as being pushy and hypocritical because she "forces" him to demand Dewey actually get a job and pay his ''massive'' rent debt. Even though this is a rather reasonable demand, since Dewey isn't terribly concerned with what a drag he is on Ned. She is also supposed to be seen as hypocritical by pointing out that Dewey steps all over him and manipulates him... even though he does ''exactly that'' to Ned. To the point of engaging in identity theft to get a job under his name and trying to beg that he not do anything about it when Ned finds out. She's later further villainized for convincing Ned to press charges over the identity theft. At no point in the film is Dewey ever truly sorry for what he pulls on Ned and how many laws he broke or even that what he did could seriously impact Ned's own career as a teacher. For starters, the income from the job that Ned technically lost out on since Dewey took it from him, or what would happen when Ned didn't declare income from a job unknowingly taken under his name on his taxes. Dewey ''does'' acknowledge that what he did to the kids was wrong, but he's not ever aware of how much he took advantage of his roommate either. The moment where Ned breaks up with Patty for Dewey's concert is supposed to be a triumph of assertiveness when her only crime is being kind of aggressive over Ned not ever standing up for himself and being taken advantage of. Along that line, the parents of the children in Dewey's class aren't exactly unreasonable for being upset that their kids are learning nothing but rock music, and no academics, for weeks or months on end. Even many rock-loving parents would be bothered by how this would set their kids up for some serious educational problems later in the area (for being behind all the other classes in their grade).
* In ''Film/HighSchoolMusical'', one of several mean things [[AlphaBitch Sharpay]] does... is help the [[ShrinkingViolet shy]] new girl at her school become friends with people who genuinely like and support her. Something Gabriella -- the girl in question -- openly appreciates. Admittedly, Sharpay only did that because [[LoveTriangle she wanted to distract Gabriella from Troy]], but it's still hard to take it as a malevolent act.
* ''Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse'':
** In ''Film/TheAvengers2012'', the titular group gives Nick Fury hell and a half for SHIELD using the Tesseract and recovered HYDRA technology to make weapons of their own, which Fury justifies because humanity is ''hopelessly'' outmatched by the likes of Asgardians and otherworldly threats. Nothing is said of the simple fact that Fury is ''absolutely right'', especially considering humanity's only other hope, the titular Avengers, are currently a ragtag unreliable group at best and that if they fail to come together or are otherwise defeated humanity will be completely helpless. The criticisms also ring very hollow coming from Iron Man and Captain America, the former who relies on making weapons like SHIELD is doing and the latter who was created by the predecessors of SHIELD through a scientist rescued from HYDRA.
** In ''Film/AntMan1'', the villainous Darren Cross, determined to uncover the secret to shrinking technology, orders animal testing on lambs. His aide Hope is horrified (since the failed shrinking tech dissolves them into a tiny puddle of bloody goo) and asks why they aren't testing on mice instead. Cross snarls that there's no difference, but despite his ruthlessness he ''does'' have a point: both are just laboratory animals, and a mouse is too small to test shrinking tech that would eventually be used on a human. Also, the fact that Hope objects to the use of lambs but not mice indicates that she's more motivated by [[WhatMeasureIsANonCute the lambs' cuteness]] rather than actual ethics.
** In ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming'', the mentor-pupil conflict between Tony and Peter is supposed to be seen as Tony being the ExperiencedProtagonist who is right and correct, and Peter is the eager student getting too big for his boots. The problem with this is that Tony's "mentoring" of Peter just consists of him having Peter run around with the Spider-suit without teaching him how to use it and with no supervision other than Peter leaving Happy Hogan voicemails detailing his daily activities. At no point does Tony clarify why exactly he is training Peter in the first place, or what he expects of him, or how the latter fits in with his long-term Story Arc (post-Avengers 1) of preparing Earth for another alien invasion. Additionally, many of the things Tony chastises Peter for doing (being reckless and causing collateral damage) are things that Tony himself is guilty of and on a larger scale, making him come across as a complete {{Hypocrite}}. Lastly, when Peter tells him about the Vulture and his alien tech, Tony dismisses it as below the Avengers' pay grade [[spoiler:and tries having a bunch of FBI agents take care of it, [[LockedOutOfTheLoop without telling Peter his plan]], with disastrous results.]] The end result is that Tony comes off as a poor mentor who unfairly berates Peter for his own screw-ups.
* ''Franchise/StarWars:''
** Han Solo is repeatedly portrayed as being in the wrong for wanting to leave to pay off his debt to Jabba the Hutt in ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack''. Nobody (except [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure General Riekann]]) acknowledges that he is a dead man if he doesn't pay it back, or that he's actively being hunted by bounty hunters who have already attempted to kill him in Mos Eisley ''and'' on Ord Mantell by the time the ''second film'' has started. Even when Han points out his concerns that the bounty hunters won't stop hunting him until he pays off his debt he's nevertheless dismissed as if he's just turning his back on the Rebellion's cause, and the possibility of [[TakeAThirdOption leaving, paying his debt, and coming back]] is never brought up either even though this would probably take only a day at most.
** Likewise in ''Film/TheLastJedi'', Leia admonishes Poe Dameron for trying to act like a hero, saying that Admiral Holdo was truly doing something heroic through subtle action. While it is a BrokenBase, many fans agree with Poe and that his actions were just as [[LockedOutOfTheLoop he no way of knowing any better as Holdo withheld crucial information from the crew]], and that Holdo made no attempt whatsoever to even ''imply'' to her men that she had any kind of plan whatsoever and that she wasn't just running scared. Also, [[PoorCommunicationKills the majority of Resistance members on the ship willingly disobeyed orders and sided with Poe because they were also kept in the dark about Holdo's plan but this was never addressed]]. Pretty much the only thing fans seem to agree on about this is that Poe's actions were ''illegal'', but with a lot of fans this counts for very little in a series where resisting the oppressive rule of an Empire and their evil laws is a central theme (not to mention, things in history like the UndergroundRailroad were illegal and undoubtedly in the right in spite of it).
* In ''Film/HomeAlone'', Kevin is portrayed as wrong for being afraid of Old Man Marley, with even the man himself politely chastising the kid for not being more friendly. Thing is Marley seems to go out of his way to be unnecessarily creepy at every opportunity, towering over the kid and glaring in a frightening and even threatening manner without speaking whenever they run into each other outside, making it pretty damned hard to fault the kid for being afraid of the guy even ''if'' he hadn't been fed a false "the guy's a murderer" story from his brother. Your totally average adult would be threatened by this kind of behavior. Not to mention, Kevin actually does warm up to the guy the second he drops this behavior and acts normally in the church, which passes without mention, making it pretty clear the kid wouldn't have been afraid of him if he didn't act the way he normally does.
** We actually get a repeat of this in the second film with Pigeon Lady. A woman who, when deciding to go and rescue a young boy who is alone in the middle of the park at night, slinks out of the shadows and ''slowly'' reaches down to free his leg without a single word. All she would have needed to say was ''hello, please may I help you?'' from a safe distance. And whilst the argument can be made that he would still have cause to fear her given his situation, it would still have made his anguished scream of terror at being jumped by her much less understandable.
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