Discussion InformedWrongness / LiveActionFilms

Removed from Star Wars:

• Even before that, the conflict between Poe and Leia/Holdo is sparked by Poe's decisions in battle. He engages in what seems to be a diversion maneuver to buy the rest of the Resistance time to escape from a besieged base. Then he decides that while they're at it, they might as well try to make the First Order pay for the base they destroyed and take out their dreadnaught. He succeeds, disobeying Leia's order to disengage and sacrificing a dozen bombers in the process. Leia/Holdo immediately jump all over his case, calling him too violent and too hot-headed, with Leia even demoting him as punishment. The problem is that neither coherently explain what exactly he did wrong by doing so. They don't mention any plans involving the lost bombers that he might've thwarted, they don't deny that the dreadnaught was "a fleet killer" that could have killed them right away, they don't accuse him of botching or even threatening the evacuation, and neither did his actions have anything to do with the First Order's ability to track the Rebels through hyperspace (like, if he inadvertently bought the enemy the precious seconds they needed to lock onto the flagship). Yes, there was the issue of casualties, but, callous as it might sound, they were in a war, heavy casualties had always been the staple of Rebel operations against the Empire in the previous movies, and also it looks really weird for a general and an admiral to suddenly be this torn up and indignant about the loss of a couple dozen people, when literally none of the rank-and-file ever raises this issue. The only character shown to have any issues with it outside of Leia and Holdo is Rose, on account of her sister dying in it, but she never even remotely brings up having any issues with Poe and is willing to help him with a plan to save the Resistance. Between all those factors, it makes it seem like Poe is wrong for making a risky but ultimately successful attack that saved everyone's lives.

As I recall, Holdo and Leia make it pretty clear that the trade-off of all their bombers for the dreadnaught wasn't a good one, and at any rate, their point that it's not Poe's place to make such a massive strategic decision himself is pretty solid, since he doesn't necessarily have all the perspective and knowledge to do so.

I have to disagree with the removal of the Home Alone 2 example as Pigeon Lady really does drop the ball in the way she approaches Kevin.