History InformedWrongness / LiveActionFilms

** ''Film/TheLastJedi'', Poe Dameron repeatedly demands that Admiral Holdo do ''something'' instead of just apparently delaying the inevitable by continuing to run from the Empire. In response, Holdo will only insists that he follow his orders without question, [[LockedOutOfTheLoop refusing to reveal]] the plan that she actually does have. Leia later supports Holdo's behavior and criticizes Poe for trying to be a hero. Many fans feel that the movie treating Poe as wrong doesn't make sense, since he and the rest of the crew were purposely kept in the dark during a situation where they needed to know something was being done to save themselves, which Holdo refused to do. Worse, he actually agreed with the plan once he was told, meaning if Holdo had just told him, Poe likely would have simply followed along without issue. Within the context of the situation, Poe acted with the best intentions to save the crew from what he saw as a cowardly leader who was doing nothing to save the Resistance, but is treated as wrong for not just blindly following the orders of a superior who had given him no reason to think was doing anything to save them.

* ''Film/BlackChristmas2006'': TheReveal that Kyle has a sex tape online is treated as some horrendous character flaw on his part. The video was stolen and uploaded to the video without his consent, and yet the sorority sisters treat him as an AssholeVictim because their friend Megan was in it. Said tape was made ''before'' he got with Kelli and he admits he isn't proud of it, making it understandable why he might not have told her yet; especially since it was only put on the internet that day. With regards to Megan, it's never elaborated if she knew she was being filmed, but the angle on the camera indicates that she did - implying it was a sex tape between two consenting adults. Kyle is a victim of revenge porn, and yet the whole thing is treated as his fault.

* Elmo's attachment to his blanket in ''Film/TheAdventuresOfElmoInGrouchland'' is presented as him being greedy, as well as him refusing to share it with anyone else. However, Elmo having an attachment towards his blanket comes off as less of him being greedy and more as him being a child attached to a security blanket, which is perfectly normal for a child and not wanting to lose it or have it damaged by someone is also understandable. And Elmo did allow Zoe to hold his blanket for a couple of seconds, but Zoe's refusal to give back something that's not her belonging and getting into a tug of war over the blanket with Elmo, resulting in Elmo losing it, makes Zoe come off as more of the one being greedy instead of Elmo. [[note]] A Season 50 episode from ''Series/SesameStreet'' rectifies this issue when Rudy takes Julia's stuffed bunny to play with. Julia doesn't take too kindly to it and begins throwing a tantrum. Alan explains to Rudy that Julia's bunny is a comfort item that helps her when she's scared or in a bad mood, so it's not for sharing. Rudy understands and apologizes for taking Julia's toy. [[/note]]

** Han Solo is repeatedly portrayed as being in the wrong for wanting to leave to pay off his debt to Jabba the Hutt in ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack''. Nobody (except [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure General Riekann]]) acknowledges that he is a dead man if he doesn't pay it back, or that he's actively being hunted by bounty hunters who have already attempted to kill him in Mos Eisley ''and'' on Ord Mantell by the time the ''second film'' has started. Even when Han points out his concerns that the bounty hunters won't stop hunting him until he pays off his debt, he's nevertheless dismissed as if he's just turning his back on the Rebellion's cause, and the possibility of [[TakeAThirdOption leaving, paying his debt, and coming back]] is never brought up either, even though this would probably take only a day at most. This is made even worse in the remastered versions where it's shown that Boba Fett was the one to track them to Cloud City which resulted in Luke's near death and Han being captured, as Fett's motivation for chasing them in the first place was to collect the bounty on Han's head.

** ''Film/TheLastJedi'', Poe Dameron repeatedly demands that Admiral Holdo do ''something'' instead of just apparently delaying the inevitable by continuing to run from the Empire. In response, Holdo will only insists that he follow his orders without question, [[LockedOutOfTheLoop refusing to reveal]] the plan that she actually does have. Leia later supports Holdo's behavior and criticizes Poe for trying to be a hero. While it is a BrokenBase, many fans feel that Poe's mutiny should be blamed on Holdo and Leia's [[PoorCommunicationKills poor communication]] rather than any deficiency of character on Poe's part.

** Even before that, the conflict between Poe and Leia/Holdo is sparked by Poe's decisions in battle. He engages in what seems to be a diversion maneuver to buy the rest of the Resistance time to escape from a besieged base. Then he decides that while they're at it, they might as well try to make the First Order pay for the base they destroyed and take out their dreadnaught. He succeeds, disobeying Leia's order to disengage and sacrificing a dozen bombers in the process. Leia/Holdo immediately jump all over his case, calling him too violent and too hot-headed, with Leia even demoting him as punishment. The problem is that neither coherently explain what exactly he did wrong by doing so. They don't mention any plans involving the lost bombers that he might've thwarted, they don't deny that the dreadnaught was "a fleet killer" that could have killed them right away, they don't accuse him of botching or even threatening the evacuation, and neither did his actions have anything to do with the First Order's ability to track the Rebels through hyperspace (like, if he inadvertently bought the enemy the precious seconds they needed to lock onto the flagship). Yes, there was the issue of casualties, but, callous as it might sound, they were in a war, heavy casualties had always been the staple of Rebel operations against the Empire in the previous movies, and also it looks really weird for a general and an admiral to suddenly be this torn up and indignant about the loss of a couple dozen people, when literally none of the rank-and-file ever raises this issue. The only character shown to have any issues with it outside of Leia and Holdo is Rose, on account of her sister dying in it, but she never even remotely brings up having any issues with Poe and is willing to help him with a plan to save the Resistance. Between all those factors, it makes it seem like Poe is wrong for making a risky but ultimately successful attack that saved everyone's lives.
* In ''Film/{{Surrogates}}'' -- and, for that matter, almost every movie which uses virtual reality to deliver an AntiEscapismAesop -- it's taken as a given that using artificial means to lead exactly the kind of life you want is inherently morally inferior to actually going out and leading your own boring life. Even though the users feel and experience everything their surrogates do (so it feels just as real as doing it in person except you won't die if, say, your parachute doesn't open), and actually are interacting with other people (they just don't see what they really look like), and the movie tells us in the opening that the use of Surrogates has ''almost completely wiped out racism and sexism.'' Not only that, but it was stated that the titular surrogates were initially developed to help people with disabilities, letting them do things they couldn't do with their organic bodies. To imply that they ought to give that up because it isn't "real" would be [[InspirationallyDisadvantaged SEVERELY patronizing]]. And if that's not enough, ''they had no murders for over a decade'' in the city of the film. Yeah, but... it's not ''real'', man! To really hammer home the informed wrongness, ''WesternAnimation/SpicyCity'' has an episode called "Love is a Download" with an almost identical concept to Surrogates, except it is shown as a happy ending when the two main characters, a victim of domestic abuse driven to suicide from always being treated as a sex object due to her looks and a hideously ugly computer technician who's been alone his whole life because of his looks, find love within the virtual world [[TrueBeautyIsOnTheInside where looks don't matter]].

** Likewise in ''Film/TheLastJedi'', Leia admonishes Poe Dameron for trying to act like a hero, saying that Admiral Holdo was truly doing something heroic through subtle action. While it is a BrokenBase, many fans agree with Poe and feel that his actions were just, as [[LockedOutOfTheLoop he had no way of knowing any better as Holdo withheld crucial information from the crew]], and that Holdo made no attempt whatsoever to even ''imply'' to her men that she had any kind of plan whatsoever and that she wasn't just running scared. Also, Holdo's churlish and childish obsession with taking Poe down a peg did nothing to inspire confidence or diffuse the situation, and is what actually pushed Poe from being reasonable and wanting to work with her to deciding that she was just running scared, and thus that a mutiny was their only hope for survival-- in fact he actually ''liked'' her plan once Leia explained it to him, thus he would have been wholly supportive had she just explained herself, [[NotWhatItLooksLike especially when her lack of an explanation was actively making it look like she was preparing to use everyone else as bait so she could escape with her command crew]]. Furthermore, [[PoorCommunicationKills the majority of Resistance members on the ship willingly disobeyed orders and sided with Poe because they were also kept in the dark about Holdo's plan, but this was never addressed]]. Pretty much the only thing that fans seem to agree on about this is that Poe's actions were ''illegal'', but with a lot of fans this counts for very little in a series where resisting the oppressive rule of an Empire and their evil laws is a central theme (not to mention that things in history like the UndergroundRailroad were illegal, yet undoubtedly in the right in spite of it).

** Likewise in ''Film/TheLastJedi'', Leia admonishes Poe Dameron for trying to act like a hero, saying that Admiral Holdo was truly doing something heroic through subtle action. While it is a BrokenBase, many fans agree with Poe and feel that his actions were just, as [[LockedOutOfTheLoop he had no way of knowing any better as Holdo withheld crucial information from the crew]], and that Holdo made no attempt whatsoever to even ''imply'' to her men that she had any kind of plan whatsoever and that she wasn't just running scared. Also, Holdo's churlish and childish obsession with taking Poe down a peg did nothing to inspire confidence or diffuse the situation, and is what actually pushed Poe from being reasonable and wanting to work with her to deciding that she was just running scared, and thus that a mutiny was their only hope for survival-- in fact he actually ''liked'' her plan once Leia explained it to him, thus he would have been wholly supportive had she just explained herself. Furthermore, [[PoorCommunicationKills the majority of Resistance members on the ship willingly disobeyed orders and sided with Poe because they were also kept in the dark about Holdo's plan, but this was never addressed]]. Pretty much the only thing that fans seem to agree on about this is that Poe's actions were ''illegal'', but with a lot of fans this counts for very little in a series where resisting the oppressive rule of an Empire and their evil laws is a central theme (not to mention that things in history like the UndergroundRailroad were illegal, yet undoubtedly in the right in spite of it).

** ''Film/TheAvengers2012'': The titular group gives Nick Fury hell and a half for SHIELD using the Tesseract and recovered HYDRA technology to make weapons of their own, which Fury justifies because humanity is ''hopelessly'' outmatched by the likes of Asgardians and otherworldly threats. Nothing is said of the simple fact that Fury is ''absolutely right'', especially considering that humanity's only other hope, the titular Avengers, are currently a ragtag unreliable group at best, and if they fail to come together or are otherwise defeated, humanity will be completely helpless. The criticisms also ring very hollow coming from Iron Man (who relies on making weapons like SHIELD is doing) and Captain America (who was created by the predecessors of SHIELD through a scientist rescued from HYDRA).

** ''Film/TheAvengers2012'': The titular group gives Nick Fury hell and a half for SHIELD using the Tesseract and recovered HYDRA technology to make weapons of their own, which Fury justifies because humanity is ''hopelessly'' outmatched by the likes of Asgardians and otherworldly threats. Nothing is said of the simple fact that Fury is ''absolutely right'', especially considering humanity's only other hope, the titular Avengers, are currently a ragtag unreliable group at best and that if they fail to come together or are otherwise defeated humanity will be completely helpless. The criticisms also ring very hollow coming from Iron Man and Captain America, the former who relies on making weapons like SHIELD is doing and the latter who was created by the predecessors of SHIELD through a scientist rescued from HYDRA.

* In ''Film/{{Showgirls}}'', the main character [[MeaningfulName Nomi]] works in a strip club and aspires to be a topless dancer in a Las Vegas show. At one point she gives a man a lapdance that amounts to sex with a denim condom, she was perfectly willing to do what came down to live, on-stage lesbian sex, screwing her boss to get a higher position, and pushing the lead dancer down the stairs to get her job, but when she's asked during an audition to use ice cubes to make herself more ''*ahem*'' "perky", her angry refusal is treated as a display of strength of character. Why the line of moral compromise is drawn at that exact point is perhaps the only thing the movie leaves to the viewer's imagination. Furthermore, her later use of ice cubes after she joins Goddess is intended to be a sign that she's "losing herself."

** Han Solo is repeatedly portrayed as being in the wrong for wanting to leave to pay off his debt to Jabba the Hutt in ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack''. Nobody (except [[ReasonableAuthorityFigure General Riekann]]) acknowledges that he is a dead man if he doesn't pay it back, or that he's actively being hunted by bounty hunters who have already attempted to kill him in Mos Eisley ''and'' on Ord Mantell by the time the ''second film'' has started. Even when Han points out his concerns that the bounty hunters won't stop hunting him until he pays off his debt he's nevertheless dismissed as if he's just turning his back on the Rebellion's cause, and the possibility of [[TakeAThirdOption leaving, paying his debt, and coming back]] is never brought up either even though this would probably take only a day at most. This is made even worse in the remastered versions where it's shown Boba Fett was the one to track them to Cloud City which resulted in Luke's near death and Han being captured, as Fett's motivation for chasing them in the first place was to collect the bounty on Han's head.
** Likewise in ''Film/TheLastJedi'', Leia admonishes Poe Dameron for trying to act like a hero, saying that Admiral Holdo was truly doing something heroic through subtle action. While it is a BrokenBase, many fans agree with Poe and that his actions were just as [[LockedOutOfTheLoop he had no way of knowing any better as Holdo withheld crucial information from the crew]], and that Holdo made no attempt whatsoever to even ''imply'' to her men that she had any kind of plan whatsoever and that she wasn't just running scared. Also, Holdo's churlish and childish obsession with taking Poe down a peg did nothing to inspire confidence or diffuse the situation, and is what actually pushed Poe from being reasonable and wanting to work with her to deciding she was just running scared and thus that a mutiny was their only hope for survival -- in fact he actually ''liked'' her plan once Leia explained it to him, thus he would have been wholly supportive had she just explained herself. Furthermore, [[PoorCommunicationKills the majority of Resistance members on the ship willingly disobeyed orders and sided with Poe because they were also kept in the dark about Holdo's plan but this was never addressed]]. Pretty much the only thing fans seem to agree on about this is that Poe's actions were ''illegal'', but with a lot of fans this counts for very little in a series where resisting the oppressive rule of an Empire and their evil laws is a central theme (not to mention, things in history like the UndergroundRailroad were illegal and undoubtedly in the right in spite of it).
** Even before that, the conflict between Poe and Leia/Holdo is sparked by Poe's decisions in battle. He engages in what seems to be a diversion maneuver to buy the rest of the Resistance time to escape from a besieged base. Then he decides that while they're at it, they might as well try to make the First Order pay for the base they destroyed and take out their dreadnaught. He succeeds, disobeying Leia's order to disengage and sacrificing a dozen bombers in the process. Leia/Holdo immediately jump all over his case, calling him too violent and too hot-headed, with Leia even demoting him as punishment. The problem is that neither coherently explain what exactly he did wrong by doing so. They don't mention any plans involving the lost bombers he might've thwarted, they don't deny that the dreadnaught was "a fleet killer" that could have killed them right away, they don't accuse him of botching, or even threatening, the evacuation, and neither did his actions have anything to do with First Order's ability to track the Rebels through hyperspace (like, if he inadvertently bought the enemy the precious seconds they needed to lock onto the flagship). Yes, there was the issue of casualties, but, callous as it might sound, they were in a war, heavy casualties had always been the staple of Rebel operations against the Empire in the previous movies, and also it looks really weird for a general and an admiral to suddenly be this torn up and indignant about the loss of a couple dozen people, when literally none of the rank-and-file ever raises this issue. The only character shown to have any issues with it outside of Leia and Holdo is Rose, on account of her sister dying in it, but she never even remotely brings up having any issues with Poe and is willing to help him with a plan to save the Resistance. Between all those factors, it makes it seem like Poe is wrong for making a risky but ultimately successful attack that saved everyone's lives.

* Elmo's attachment to his blanket in ''Film/TheAdventuresOfElmoInGrouchland'' is presented as him being greedy, as well as him refusing to share it with anyone else. However, Elmo having an attachment towards his blanket comes off as less of him being greedy and more as him being a child attached to a security blanket, which is perfectly normal for a child and not wanting to lose it or have it damaged by someone is also understandable. And Elmo did allow Zoe to hold his blanket for a couple of seconds, but Zoe's refusal to give back something that's not her belonging, getting into a tug of war over the blanket with Elmo, and resulting in Elmo losing it makes Zoe come off as more of the one being greedy instead of Elmo. [[note]] A Season 50 episode from ''Series/SesameStreet'' rectifies this issue when Rudy takes Julia's stuffed bunny to play with. Julia doesn't take too kindly to it and begins throwing a tantrum. Alan explains to Rudy that Julia's bunny is a comfort item that helps her when she's scared or in a bad mood, so it's not for sharing. Rudy understands and apologizes for taking Julia's toy. [[/note]]

** Even before that, the conflict between Poe and Leia/Holdo is sparked by Poe's decisions in battle. He engages in what seems to be a diversion maneuver to buy the rest of the Resistance time to escape from a besieged base. Then he decides that while they're at it, they might as well try to make the First Order pay for the base they destroyed and take out their dreadnaught. He succeeds, disobeying Leia's order to disengage and sacrificing a dozen bombers in the process. Leia/Holdo immediately jump all over his case, calling him too violent and too hot-headed, with Leia even demoting him as punishment. The problem is that neither coherently explain what exactly he did wrong by doing so. They don't mention any plans involving the lost bombers he might've thwarted, they don't deny that the dreadnaught was "a fleet killer" that could have killed them right away, they don't accuse him of botching, or even threatening, the evacuation, and neither did his actions have anything to do with First Order's ability to track the Rebels through hyperspace (like, if he inadvertently bought the enemy the precious seconds they needed to lock onto the flagship). Yes, there was the issue of casualties, but, callous as it might sound, they were in a war, heavy casualties had always been the staple of Rebel operations against the Empire in the previous movies, and also it looks really weird for a general and an admiral to suddenly be this torn up and indignant about the loss of a couple dozen people, when literally none of the rank-and-file ever raises this issue, and even the sister of one of deceased pilots almost instantly joins with Poe. The only character shown to have any issues with it outside of Leia and Holdo is Rose on account of her sister dying in it, but she never even remotely bring sup having any issues with Poe, on top of not a single character going against Poe's suggestion to make the bombing run. Between all those factors, it makes it seem like Poe is wrong for making a risky but ultimately successful attack that saved everyone's lives.

** Even before that, the conflict between Poe and Leia/Holdo is sparked by Poe's decisions in battle. He engages in what seems to be a diversion manuevre to buy the rest of the Resistance time to escape from a besieged base. Then he decides that while they're at it, they might as well try to make the First Order pay for the base they destroyed and take out their dreadnaught. He succeeds, disobeying Leia's order to disengage and sacrificing a dozen bombers in the process. Leia/Holdo immediately jump all over his case, calling him too violent and too hot-headed... except neither can coherently explain what '''exactly''' he did wrong. They don't mention any plans involving the lost bombers he might've thwarted, they don't deny that the dreadnaught was "a fleet killer", they don't accuse him of botching, or even threatening, the evacuation, and neither did his actions have anything to do with First Order's ability to track the Rebels through hyperspace (like, if he inadvertently bought the enemy the precious seconds they needed to lock onto the flagship). Yes, there was the issue of casualties, but, callous as it might sound, they were in a war, heavy casualties had always been the staple of Rebel operations against the Empire in the previous movies, and also it looks really weird for a general and an admiral to suddenly be this torn up and indignant about the loss of a couple dozen people, when literally none of the rank-and-file ever raises this issue, and even the sister of one of deceased pilots almost instantly joins with Poe.

** Even before that, the conflict between Poe and Leia/Holdo is sparked by Poe's decisions in battle. He engages in what seems to be a diversion manuevre to buy the rest of the Resistance time to escape from a besieged base. Then he decides that while they're at it, they might as well try to make the First Order pay for the base they destroyed and take out their dreadnaught. He succeeds, disobeying Leia's order to disengage and sacrificing a dozen bombers in the process. Leia/Holdo immediately jump all over his case, calling him too violent and too hot-headed... except neither can coherently explain what '''exactly''' he did wrong. They don't mention any plans involving the lost bombers he might've thwarted, they don't deny that the dreadnaught was "a fleet killer", they don't accuse him of botching, or even threatening, the evacuation, and neither did his actions have nothing to do with First Order's ability to track the Rebels through hyperspace (like, if he inadvertantly bought the enemy the precious seconds they needed to lock onto the flagship). Yes, there was the issue of casualties, but, callous as it might sound, they were in a war, heavy casualties had always been the staple of Rebel operations against the Empire in the previous movies, and also it looks really weird for a general and an admiral to suddenly be this torn up and indignant about the loss of a couple dozen people, when literally none of the rank-and-file ever raises this issue, and even the sister of one of deceased pilots almost instantly joins with Poe.
*** The First Order can afford the losses; the Resistance can't. That one ship Poe threw away lives to destroy is a drop in their ocean of resources, while the Resistance has only a few hundred members left at this point, and Poe just through away a good chunk of ''that'' to destroy a ship their enemy can easily replace. This ''is'' explicitly stated.

* Elmo's attachment to his blanket in ''Film/TheAdventuresOfElmoInGrouchland'' is presented as him being greedy, as well as him refusing to share it with anyone else. However, Elmo having an attachment towards his blanket comes off as less of him being greedy and more as him being a child attached to a security blanket, which is perfectly normal for a child and not wanting to lose it or have it damaged by someone is also understandable. And Elmo did allow Zoe to hold his blanket for a couple of seconds, but Zoe's refusal to give back something that's not her belonging and getting into a tug of war over the blanket with Elmo and resulting in Elmo losing it makes Zoe come off as more of the one being greedy instead of Elmo. [[note]] A Season 50 episode from ''Series/SesameStreet'' rectifies this issue when Rudy takes Julia's stuffed bunny to play with. Julia doesn't take too kindly to it and begins throwing a tantrum. Alan explains to Rudy that Julia's bunny is a comfort item that helps her when she’s scared or in a bad mood, so it's not for sharing. Rudy understands and apologizes for taking Julia's toy. [[/note]]

* In ''Film/AStarIsBorn2018'', Ally's manager Rez is treated as being in the wrong because he doesn't want Ally to bring Jackson with her on tour. Thing is, he's absolutely right not to want Jackson along because Ally spends all her time when he is with her coddling Jackson, checking up on him and neglecting her own work to babysit him and Jackson ruins Ally's award show by getting drunk and humiliating her on national television. When he gives Jackson a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech on his selfishness and how all he does is hold Ally back, it's treated as the final straw and part of the reason [[spoiler: Jackson committed suicide]], but it's Jackson's responsibility and Rez simply told him the truth he didn't want to hear.

*** The First Order can afford the losses; the Resistance can't. That one ship Poe threw away lives to destroy is a drop in their ocean of resources, while the Resistance has only a few hundred members left at this point, and Poe just through away a good chunk of ''that'' on a victory that achieved absolutely nothing beyond looking cool.