History HonorBeforeReason / ComicBooks

14th Sep '17 11:16:49 AM lillolillo
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* Superheroes from both DC and Marvel are notorious for taking this to ridiculous extremes. The most obvious example is Franchise/{{Batman}}'s refusal to kill even ComicBook/TheJoker, despite knowing that he's a purely evil, irredeemable, sadistic monster who cannot be reformed and who will simply go on killing innocent people just for kicks . When Joker then goes on to [[spoiler:kill Jason Todd, the second Robin]], Batman comes ''damn close'' to breaking his rule, but didn't in the end. Unfortunately, this would come to bite Batman later: when [[InfiniteCrisis Superboy-Prime's]] CosmicRetcon [[spoiler:resurrected Jason]], the fact that Batman [[spoiler:never avenged his death led him to assume the mantle of Red Hood, an AntiVillain who opposes Batman's no-kill ideology, thus pitting the two of them against each other.]] Batman takes this to another extreme when his alter ego becomes a juror at the trial of someone captured by him. When asked if there's any reason he shouldn't be a juror, Bruce Wayne tells the judge that [[CassandraTruth he's Batman]]. He later tells Tim that he had to tell because he was under oath.

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* Superheroes from both DC and Marvel are notorious for taking this to ridiculous extremes. The most obvious example is Franchise/{{Batman}}'s refusal to kill even ComicBook/TheJoker, despite knowing that he's a purely evil, irredeemable, sadistic monster who cannot be reformed and who will simply go on killing innocent people just for kicks . When Joker then goes on to [[spoiler:kill Jason Todd, the second Robin]], Batman comes ''damn close'' to breaking his rule, but didn't in the end. Unfortunately, this would come to bite Batman later: when [[InfiniteCrisis [[ComicBook/InfiniteCrisis Superboy-Prime's]] CosmicRetcon [[spoiler:resurrected Jason]], the fact that Batman [[spoiler:never avenged his death led him to assume the mantle of Red Hood, an AntiVillain who opposes Batman's no-kill ideology, thus pitting the two of them against each other.]] Batman takes this to another extreme when his alter ego becomes a juror at the trial of someone captured by him. When asked if there's any reason he shouldn't be a juror, Bruce Wayne tells the judge that [[CassandraTruth he's Batman]]. He later tells Tim that he had to tell because he was under oath.



* In ''ComicBook/UsagiYojimbo'', when a character makes a decision and says, "I am adamant!", that means literally ''nothing'', especially death threats, will make them change their mind. For instance, a swordsmith said this in refusing to sell one of his swords to a brutish samurai and when threatened to be killed, he all but said, "Kill me if you want, but that just guarantees I won't sell you anything."
** Usagi sums up his feelings for this trope when he says "What fools we have in this world, that confuse honor for weakness."

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* In ''ComicBook/UsagiYojimbo'', when ''ComicBook/UsagiYojimbo'':
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a character makes a decision and says, "I am adamant!", that means literally ''nothing'', especially death threats, will make them change their mind. For instance, a swordsmith said this in refusing to sell one of his swords to a brutish samurai and when threatened to be killed, he all but said, "Kill me if you want, but that just guarantees I won't sell you anything."
** Usagi sums up his feelings for this trope when he says "What fools we have in this world, that confuse honor for weakness."



** That was a CrowningMomentOfAwesome.
--->'''Jubilee:''' You wanna go around killing people? That's your choice. But don't think for a fraction of a second you're gonna make a murderer outta me.
** Sunfire has the potential to be a genuine force for good, but often finds himself at odds with the X-Men and other heroes due to the situation at hand often conflicting with his fanatical loyalty to Japan and his family's reputation. The major reason he ends up joining the Comicbook/UncannyAvengers is because he believes a Japanese hero being part earth's mightiest superhero team will bring honor and pride to his nation.

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** That was a CrowningMomentOfAwesome.
--->'''Jubilee:'''
-->'''Jubilee:''' You wanna go around killing people? That's your choice. But don't think for a fraction of a second you're gonna make a murderer outta me.
** * Sunfire has the potential to be a genuine force for good, but often finds himself at odds with the X-Men and other heroes due to the situation at hand often conflicting with his fanatical loyalty to Japan and his family's reputation. The major reason he ends up joining the Comicbook/UncannyAvengers is because he believes a Japanese hero being part earth's mightiest superhero team will bring honor and pride to his nation.
3rd Sep '17 8:57:46 PM Daedalis
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* In classic Western fashion ''ComicBook/{{Copperhead}}'' features both heroes and villains adhering to personal codes to their practical disadvantage.
** Due to security concerns, Martineau is required to sign over her right to protection from the guards in order to interview Clay. Predictably, he takes her hostage. The guards ignore security protocol and insist on protecting her life by allowing him to escape, endangering many more lives.
** Zolo swore to his dying father to protect his younger brother Nestor. Nestor proceeds to get himself into one dumb scrape after another, costing Zolo considerable energy and resources as his gang repeatedly bails Nestor out. The gang is sick of it and Zolo knows Nestor's a lost cause, but a promise is a promise.
14th Apr '17 9:49:30 AM Silverblade2
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* Superheroes from both DC and Marvel are notorious for taking this to ridiculous extremes. The most obvious example is Franchise/{{Batman}}'s refusal to kill even SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker, despite knowing that he's a purely evil, irredeemable, sadistic monster who cannot be reformed and who will simply go on killing innocent people just for kicks . When Joker then goes on to [[spoiler:kill Jason Todd, the second Robin]], Batman comes ''damn close'' to breaking his rule, but didn't in the end. Unfortunately, this would come to bite Batman later: when [[InfiniteCrisis Superboy-Prime's]] CosmicRetcon [[spoiler:resurrected Jason]], the fact that Batman [[spoiler:never avenged his death led him to assume the mantle of Red Hood, an AntiVillain who opposes Batman's no-kill ideology, thus pitting the two of them against each other.]] Batman takes this to another extreme when his alter ego becomes a juror at the trial of someone captured by him. When asked if there's any reason he shouldn't be a juror, Bruce Wayne tells the judge that [[CassandraTruth he's Batman]]. He later tells Tim that he had to tell because he was under oath.

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* Superheroes from both DC and Marvel are notorious for taking this to ridiculous extremes. The most obvious example is Franchise/{{Batman}}'s refusal to kill even SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker, ComicBook/TheJoker, despite knowing that he's a purely evil, irredeemable, sadistic monster who cannot be reformed and who will simply go on killing innocent people just for kicks . When Joker then goes on to [[spoiler:kill Jason Todd, the second Robin]], Batman comes ''damn close'' to breaking his rule, but didn't in the end. Unfortunately, this would come to bite Batman later: when [[InfiniteCrisis Superboy-Prime's]] CosmicRetcon [[spoiler:resurrected Jason]], the fact that Batman [[spoiler:never avenged his death led him to assume the mantle of Red Hood, an AntiVillain who opposes Batman's no-kill ideology, thus pitting the two of them against each other.]] Batman takes this to another extreme when his alter ego becomes a juror at the trial of someone captured by him. When asked if there's any reason he shouldn't be a juror, Bruce Wayne tells the judge that [[CassandraTruth he's Batman]]. He later tells Tim that he had to tell because he was under oath.
27th May '16 1:55:19 PM Doug86
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* Superheroes from both DC and Marvel are notorious for taking this to ridiculous extremes. The most obvious example is {{Franchise/Batman}}'s refusal to kill even SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker, despite knowing that he's a purely evil, irredeemable, sadistic monster who cannot be reformed and who will simply go on killing innocent people just for kicks . When Joker then goes on to [[spoiler:kill Jason Todd, the second Robin]], Batman comes ''damn close'' to breaking his rule, but didn't in the end. Unfortunately, this would come to bite Batman later: when [[InfiniteCrisis Superboy-Prime's]] CosmicRetcon [[spoiler:resurrected Jason]], the fact that Batman [[spoiler:never avenged his death led him to assume the mantle of Red Hood, an AntiVillain who opposes Batman's no-kill ideology, thus pitting the two of them against each other.]] Batman takes this to another extreme when his alter ego becomes a juror at the trial of someone captured by him. When asked if there's any reason he shouldn't be a juror, Bruce Wayne tells the judge that [[CassandraTruth he's Batman]]. He later tells Tim that he had to tell because he was under oath.

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* Superheroes from both DC and Marvel are notorious for taking this to ridiculous extremes. The most obvious example is {{Franchise/Batman}}'s Franchise/{{Batman}}'s refusal to kill even SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker, despite knowing that he's a purely evil, irredeemable, sadistic monster who cannot be reformed and who will simply go on killing innocent people just for kicks . When Joker then goes on to [[spoiler:kill Jason Todd, the second Robin]], Batman comes ''damn close'' to breaking his rule, but didn't in the end. Unfortunately, this would come to bite Batman later: when [[InfiniteCrisis Superboy-Prime's]] CosmicRetcon [[spoiler:resurrected Jason]], the fact that Batman [[spoiler:never avenged his death led him to assume the mantle of Red Hood, an AntiVillain who opposes Batman's no-kill ideology, thus pitting the two of them against each other.]] Batman takes this to another extreme when his alter ego becomes a juror at the trial of someone captured by him. When asked if there's any reason he shouldn't be a juror, Bruce Wayne tells the judge that [[CassandraTruth he's Batman]]. He later tells Tim that he had to tell because he was under oath.



* ComicBook/{{Jubilee}} of the Comicbook/{{X-Men}} takes the superheroic [[ThouShaltNotKill code against killing]] to a foolish extreme in one story. While escaping from Operation: Zero Tolerance (who had been torturing her for days), she seriously injured one of the guards -- and broke off her escape to perform CPR on him.

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* ComicBook/{{Jubilee}} of the Comicbook/{{X-Men}} Comicbook/XMen takes the superheroic [[ThouShaltNotKill code against killing]] to a foolish extreme in one story. While escaping from Operation: Zero Tolerance (who had been torturing her for days), she seriously injured one of the guards -- and broke off her escape to perform CPR on him.
19th May '16 9:09:09 AM Doug86
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* Then there's ''Comicbook/{{Spider-Man}}''. With great power comes many low-paying jobs, no respect, a legendary chain of disrupted relationships and break-ups, and many, many injuries. But he never resigns for long. Because he's Spider-Man, and he has a ''responsibility''.

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* Then there's ''Comicbook/{{Spider-Man}}''.''Comicbook/SpiderMan''. With great power comes many low-paying jobs, no respect, a legendary chain of disrupted relationships and break-ups, and many, many injuries. But he never resigns for long. Because he's Spider-Man, and he has a ''responsibility''.
5th Apr '16 11:09:21 AM Morgenthaler
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** It should be noted that Yorick has a nasty combination of Survivor's Guilt and general Catholic Guilt, along with a variety pack of mental hang-ups, that cause him to do not necessarily what is right, but what is mostly likely to make people hate and want to kill him (Honor Before Survival, in other words).
5th Apr '16 11:09:11 AM Morgenthaler
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* The protagonists of ''SinCity'' each possess this trait. Despite their violent and sadistic nature, they will still put their lives on the line and suffer greatly for the sake of those they wish to protect.

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* The protagonists of ''SinCity'' ''ComicBook/SinCity'' each possess this trait. Despite their violent and sadistic nature, they will still put their lives on the line and suffer greatly for the sake of those they wish to protect.



* Yorick of ''YTheLastMan'' is like this for the first part of the series. Two major examples: He's the last living male human, yet tries not to cheat on his girlfriend who is half a world away. He comes across a town that's entirely populated by convicts from the near by women's correctional facility. Despite this, it seems to be one of the few nice places AfterTheEnd and is actually very stable. Yorick wants to turn them in to the government.

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* Yorick of ''YTheLastMan'' ''ComicBook/YTheLastMan'' is like this for the first part of the series. Two major examples: He's the last living male human, yet tries not to cheat on his girlfriend who is half a world away. He comes across a town that's entirely populated by convicts from the near by women's correctional facility. Despite this, it seems to be one of the few nice places AfterTheEnd and is actually very stable. Yorick wants to turn them in to the government.
13th Mar '16 4:37:36 PM MikeW
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* When the Avengers are taking on the cosmic-powered Korvac, who's already killed a few of them, Yellowjacket suggests they use Korvac's love, Carina, for leverage and yells at Black Panther to grab her.
-->'''Panther''': But...it would not be honorable!
-->'''Yellowjacket''': To Hell with honor! How many more people have to die?
28th Feb '16 7:38:06 PM nombretomado
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* In the first ''{{Wolverine}}'' [[ComicBook/FrankMillersWolverine Limited Series]], Logan is aghast to learn that not only his girlfriend, Yashida Mariko, is married, but it was on the orders of her father which she obeyed without question. His friend makes it clear that she did it as a matter of personal honor and she literally would rather die than violate that. Logan goes to see her, but is frustrated that she is adamant about keeping her honor in obeying her father, even while her husband abuses her. Fortunately, Mariko eventually realizes that her father is besmirching their family's honor with his evil and plans to kill him and commit suicide in recompense. Fortunately, Wolverine beats her to it and Mariko considers the matter properly settled.

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* In the first ''{{Wolverine}}'' ''ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}'' [[ComicBook/FrankMillersWolverine Limited Series]], Logan is aghast to learn that not only his girlfriend, Yashida Mariko, is married, but it was on the orders of her father which she obeyed without question. His friend makes it clear that she did it as a matter of personal honor and she literally would rather die than violate that. Logan goes to see her, but is frustrated that she is adamant about keeping her honor in obeying her father, even while her husband abuses her. Fortunately, Mariko eventually realizes that her father is besmirching their family's honor with his evil and plans to kill him and commit suicide in recompense. Fortunately, Wolverine beats her to it and Mariko considers the matter properly settled.



* In Jonathan Hickman's ''Comicbook/NewAvengers'', the Illuminati become aware of a cosmic DisasterDominoes event -- universes are colliding, Earth-first, and destroying each other -- and that when two universes begin to collide, the event can be halted by destroying one of the Earths. CaptainAmerica is the only member of the group who will not entertain the idea of destroying a planet to save everything else [[spoiler: so they wipe his memory and expel him]].

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* In Jonathan Hickman's ''Comicbook/NewAvengers'', the Illuminati become aware of a cosmic DisasterDominoes event -- universes are colliding, Earth-first, and destroying each other -- and that when two universes begin to collide, the event can be halted by destroying one of the Earths. CaptainAmerica ComicBook/CaptainAmerica is the only member of the group who will not entertain the idea of destroying a planet to save everything else [[spoiler: so they wipe his memory and expel him]].
15th Nov '15 11:21:37 AM nombretomado
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* In ''RomSpaceKnight'', the title character found himself in such a situation when he had captured a disguised Dire Wraith disguised as a human scientist, but her security staff, unaware of her true nature, had arrived to help her. The Dire Wraith dared him to banish her at the cost that it will appear he killed her and he would likely never be able to convince humanity of the truth. Rom considers this, but since a friend had [[HeroicSacrifice sacrificed his life]] to free his main weapon, he cannot have that sacrifice be for nothing. So, he banishes her and prepares to deal with the consequences.

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* In ''RomSpaceKnight'', ''ComicBook/RomSpaceKnight'', the title character found himself in such a situation when he had captured a disguised Dire Wraith disguised as a human scientist, but her security staff, unaware of her true nature, had arrived to help her. The Dire Wraith dared him to banish her at the cost that it will appear he killed her and he would likely never be able to convince humanity of the truth. Rom considers this, but since a friend had [[HeroicSacrifice sacrificed his life]] to free his main weapon, he cannot have that sacrifice be for nothing. So, he banishes her and prepares to deal with the consequences.
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