History HonorBeforeReason / ComicBooks

27th May '16 1:55:19 PM Doug86
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* Superheroes from both DC and Marvel are notorious for taking this to ridiculous extremes. The most obvious example is {{Franchise/Batman}}'s refusal to kill even SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker, despite knowing that he's a purely evil, irredeemable, sadistic monster who cannot be reformed and who will simply go on killing innocent people just for kicks . When Joker then goes on to [[spoiler:kill Jason Todd, the second Robin]], Batman comes ''damn close'' to breaking his rule, but didn't in the end. Unfortunately, this would come to bite Batman later: when [[InfiniteCrisis Superboy-Prime's]] CosmicRetcon [[spoiler:resurrected Jason]], the fact that Batman [[spoiler:never avenged his death led him to assume the mantle of Red Hood, an AntiVillain who opposes Batman's no-kill ideology, thus pitting the two of them against each other.]] Batman takes this to another extreme when his alter ego becomes a juror at the trial of someone captured by him. When asked if there's any reason he shouldn't be a juror, Bruce Wayne tells the judge that [[CassandraTruth he's Batman]]. He later tells Tim that he had to tell because he was under oath.

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* Superheroes from both DC and Marvel are notorious for taking this to ridiculous extremes. The most obvious example is {{Franchise/Batman}}'s Franchise/{{Batman}}'s refusal to kill even SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker, despite knowing that he's a purely evil, irredeemable, sadistic monster who cannot be reformed and who will simply go on killing innocent people just for kicks . When Joker then goes on to [[spoiler:kill Jason Todd, the second Robin]], Batman comes ''damn close'' to breaking his rule, but didn't in the end. Unfortunately, this would come to bite Batman later: when [[InfiniteCrisis Superboy-Prime's]] CosmicRetcon [[spoiler:resurrected Jason]], the fact that Batman [[spoiler:never avenged his death led him to assume the mantle of Red Hood, an AntiVillain who opposes Batman's no-kill ideology, thus pitting the two of them against each other.]] Batman takes this to another extreme when his alter ego becomes a juror at the trial of someone captured by him. When asked if there's any reason he shouldn't be a juror, Bruce Wayne tells the judge that [[CassandraTruth he's Batman]]. He later tells Tim that he had to tell because he was under oath.



* ComicBook/{{Jubilee}} of the Comicbook/{{X-Men}} takes the superheroic [[ThouShaltNotKill code against killing]] to a foolish extreme in one story. While escaping from Operation: Zero Tolerance (who had been torturing her for days), she seriously injured one of the guards -- and broke off her escape to perform CPR on him.

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* ComicBook/{{Jubilee}} of the Comicbook/{{X-Men}} Comicbook/XMen takes the superheroic [[ThouShaltNotKill code against killing]] to a foolish extreme in one story. While escaping from Operation: Zero Tolerance (who had been torturing her for days), she seriously injured one of the guards -- and broke off her escape to perform CPR on him.
19th May '16 9:09:09 AM Doug86
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* Then there's ''Comicbook/{{Spider-Man}}''. With great power comes many low-paying jobs, no respect, a legendary chain of disrupted relationships and break-ups, and many, many injuries. But he never resigns for long. Because he's Spider-Man, and he has a ''responsibility''.

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* Then there's ''Comicbook/{{Spider-Man}}''.''Comicbook/SpiderMan''. With great power comes many low-paying jobs, no respect, a legendary chain of disrupted relationships and break-ups, and many, many injuries. But he never resigns for long. Because he's Spider-Man, and he has a ''responsibility''.
5th Apr '16 11:09:21 AM Morgenthaler
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** It should be noted that Yorick has a nasty combination of Survivor's Guilt and general Catholic Guilt, along with a variety pack of mental hang-ups, that cause him to do not necessarily what is right, but what is mostly likely to make people hate and want to kill him (Honor Before Survival, in other words).
5th Apr '16 11:09:11 AM Morgenthaler
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* The protagonists of ''SinCity'' each possess this trait. Despite their violent and sadistic nature, they will still put their lives on the line and suffer greatly for the sake of those they wish to protect.

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* The protagonists of ''SinCity'' ''ComicBook/SinCity'' each possess this trait. Despite their violent and sadistic nature, they will still put their lives on the line and suffer greatly for the sake of those they wish to protect.



* Yorick of ''YTheLastMan'' is like this for the first part of the series. Two major examples: He's the last living male human, yet tries not to cheat on his girlfriend who is half a world away. He comes across a town that's entirely populated by convicts from the near by women's correctional facility. Despite this, it seems to be one of the few nice places AfterTheEnd and is actually very stable. Yorick wants to turn them in to the government.

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* Yorick of ''YTheLastMan'' ''ComicBook/YTheLastMan'' is like this for the first part of the series. Two major examples: He's the last living male human, yet tries not to cheat on his girlfriend who is half a world away. He comes across a town that's entirely populated by convicts from the near by women's correctional facility. Despite this, it seems to be one of the few nice places AfterTheEnd and is actually very stable. Yorick wants to turn them in to the government.
13th Mar '16 4:37:36 PM MikeW
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* When the Avengers are taking on the cosmic-powered Korvac, who's already killed a few of them, Yellowjacket suggests they use Korvac's love, Carina, for leverage and yells at Black Panther to grab her.
-->'''Panther''': But...it would not be honorable!
-->'''Yellowjacket''': To Hell with honor! How many more people have to die?
28th Feb '16 7:38:06 PM nombretomado
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* In the first ''{{Wolverine}}'' [[ComicBook/FrankMillersWolverine Limited Series]], Logan is aghast to learn that not only his girlfriend, Yashida Mariko, is married, but it was on the orders of her father which she obeyed without question. His friend makes it clear that she did it as a matter of personal honor and she literally would rather die than violate that. Logan goes to see her, but is frustrated that she is adamant about keeping her honor in obeying her father, even while her husband abuses her. Fortunately, Mariko eventually realizes that her father is besmirching their family's honor with his evil and plans to kill him and commit suicide in recompense. Fortunately, Wolverine beats her to it and Mariko considers the matter properly settled.

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* In the first ''{{Wolverine}}'' ''ComicBook/{{Wolverine}}'' [[ComicBook/FrankMillersWolverine Limited Series]], Logan is aghast to learn that not only his girlfriend, Yashida Mariko, is married, but it was on the orders of her father which she obeyed without question. His friend makes it clear that she did it as a matter of personal honor and she literally would rather die than violate that. Logan goes to see her, but is frustrated that she is adamant about keeping her honor in obeying her father, even while her husband abuses her. Fortunately, Mariko eventually realizes that her father is besmirching their family's honor with his evil and plans to kill him and commit suicide in recompense. Fortunately, Wolverine beats her to it and Mariko considers the matter properly settled.



* In Jonathan Hickman's ''Comicbook/NewAvengers'', the Illuminati become aware of a cosmic DisasterDominoes event -- universes are colliding, Earth-first, and destroying each other -- and that when two universes begin to collide, the event can be halted by destroying one of the Earths. CaptainAmerica is the only member of the group who will not entertain the idea of destroying a planet to save everything else [[spoiler: so they wipe his memory and expel him]].

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* In Jonathan Hickman's ''Comicbook/NewAvengers'', the Illuminati become aware of a cosmic DisasterDominoes event -- universes are colliding, Earth-first, and destroying each other -- and that when two universes begin to collide, the event can be halted by destroying one of the Earths. CaptainAmerica ComicBook/CaptainAmerica is the only member of the group who will not entertain the idea of destroying a planet to save everything else [[spoiler: so they wipe his memory and expel him]].
15th Nov '15 11:21:37 AM nombretomado
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* In ''RomSpaceKnight'', the title character found himself in such a situation when he had captured a disguised Dire Wraith disguised as a human scientist, but her security staff, unaware of her true nature, had arrived to help her. The Dire Wraith dared him to banish her at the cost that it will appear he killed her and he would likely never be able to convince humanity of the truth. Rom considers this, but since a friend had [[HeroicSacrifice sacrificed his life]] to free his main weapon, he cannot have that sacrifice be for nothing. So, he banishes her and prepares to deal with the consequences.

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* In ''RomSpaceKnight'', ''ComicBook/RomSpaceKnight'', the title character found himself in such a situation when he had captured a disguised Dire Wraith disguised as a human scientist, but her security staff, unaware of her true nature, had arrived to help her. The Dire Wraith dared him to banish her at the cost that it will appear he killed her and he would likely never be able to convince humanity of the truth. Rom considers this, but since a friend had [[HeroicSacrifice sacrificed his life]] to free his main weapon, he cannot have that sacrifice be for nothing. So, he banishes her and prepares to deal with the consequences.
5th Nov '15 8:13:33 AM nombretomado
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* In the first Marvel vs. DC/DC vs. Marvel crossover miniseries, WonderWoman discovers TheMightyThor's hammer and takes it up, becoming the God(dess) of Thunder. When [[ComicBook/XMen Storm]] comes to challenge Wondy, she muses that she could easily defeat her with her new power, but discards it, finding it utterly unfair. Storm easily takes her down.

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* In the first Marvel vs. DC/DC vs. Marvel crossover miniseries, WonderWoman discovers TheMightyThor's ComicBook/TheMightyThor's hammer and takes it up, becoming the God(dess) of Thunder. When [[ComicBook/XMen Storm]] comes to challenge Wondy, she muses that she could easily defeat her with her new power, but discards it, finding it utterly unfair. Storm easily takes her down.
15th Sep '15 10:55:02 AM Ambaryerno
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* Comicbook/{{X 23}} has increasingly been becoming this. Most notable in ''Comicbook/{{Wolverines}}'', Laura, Comicbook/{{Daken}} and Comicbook/{{Blade}} subdue Siphon, a dangerous monster created by a Weapon X spinoff who feeds on the {{Healing Factor}}s of other people, sometimes killing them in the process. Daken and Blade both want to put him down, and they would certainly be ''right'' to because of just how severe a threat he poses. However before he was experimented on, Siphon was a very intelligent, cultured, and kind man who was transformed into the monster he's become entirely against his will, with this part of his personality emerging whenever he's satiated and in control of his hunger. Laura talks them out of it, however, as she feels she and Siphon are NotSoDifferent. She recognizes that he's a victim, and insists on doing the right thing and trying to ''help'' him. [[spoiler: It eventually bites her on the ass. Mystique ''[[BatmanGambit wanted]]'' Laura there when Daken confronted him for precisely this purpose, and unleashes an out-of-control Siphon on the group in the final issue, and he drains all of them.]]
22nd Aug '15 11:41:06 AM Austin
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* Jubilee of the Comicbook/{{X-Men}} takes the superheroic [[ThouShaltNotKill code against killing]] to a foolish extreme in one story. While escaping from Operation: Zero Tolerance (who had been torturing her for days), she seriously injured one of the guards -- and broke off her escape to perform CPR on him.

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* Jubilee ComicBook/{{Jubilee}} of the Comicbook/{{X-Men}} takes the superheroic [[ThouShaltNotKill code against killing]] to a foolish extreme in one story. While escaping from Operation: Zero Tolerance (who had been torturing her for days), she seriously injured one of the guards -- and broke off her escape to perform CPR on him.
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