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* What happened to promos, or at least, promos involving people with charisma or don't already have world title or are a number one contender? Don't they realize that you can build character and get heat with promos?
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* What happened to promos, or at least, promos involving people with charisma or don't already have a world title or are a number one contender? Don't they realize that you can build character and get heat with promos?
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** This troper is surprised they didn't just go back to being the World Wide Wrestling Federation (WWWF). All you have to do is add an extra "W" to the logo.
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** Watching to ''The Rise and Fall of ECW'', one can see Vince at best thinks ECW was an interesting promotion with a small section of die-hard fans that nonetheless is completely unmarketable in today's mainstream due to its content scaring ad investors and TV execs away. Given the massive problems the original promotion in getting TV and PPV time due to their style, he's not ''entirely'' wrong though Heyman probably could have given a good product sans sex and violence had he been given more autonomy.
** Vince also has major problems not completely controlling his products himself so it was a pipe dream to expect Heyman to truly have any real power over the WWE version of ECW.
** Vince also has major problems not completely controlling his products himself so it was a pipe dream to expect Heyman to truly have any real power over the WWE version of ECW.
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** I never liked the idea that much either, but I'll try to explain the appeal. For one thing, it presents the audience another perspective as it makes things less black and white. Also, and I think it's the biggest reason: They're the only ones, if anyone, to call out a face's MoralDissonance as opposed to [[HandWave handwaving]], ignoring, or even [[JerkassDissonance justifying it]].
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** I never liked the idea that much either, but I'll try to explain the appeal. For one thing, it presents the audience another perspective as it makes things less black and white. Also, and I think it's the biggest reason: They're the only ones, if anyone, to call out a face's MoralDissonance as opposed to [[HandWave handwaving]], ignoring, or even [[JerkassDissonance justifying it]]. Especially in the JerkSue-populated Attitude Era.
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** I never liked the idea that much either, but I'll try to explain the appeal. For one thing, it presents the audience another perspective as it makes things less black and white. Also, and I think it's the biggest reason: They're the only ones, if anyone, to call out a face's MoralDissonance as opposed to [[HandWave handwaving]] or even [[JerkassDissonance justifying it]].
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** I never liked the idea that much either, but I'll try to explain the appeal. For one thing, it presents the audience another perspective as it makes things less black and white. Also, and I think it's the biggest reason: They're the only ones, if anyone, to call out a face's MoralDissonance as opposed to [[HandWave handwaving]] handwaving]], ignoring, or even [[JerkassDissonance justifying it]].
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** I never liked the idea that much either, but I'll try to explain the appeal. For one thing, it presents the audience another perspective as it makes things less black and white. Also, and I think it's the biggest reason: They're the only ones, if anyone, to call out a face's MoralDissonance as opposed to [[HandWave handwaving]] or even [[JerkassDissonance justifying it]].
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*** Alarmingly skinny? She weighs 135 lbs. She probably just has a faster metabolism than most people.
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*** It's more likely backlash against the people in the company pushing this angle than against Michelle herself. They're the ones who write stories calling Mickie "fat" and holding up the alarmingly skinny Michelle as the "perfect figured woman", and they're the ones most fans have the issue with.
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* I have never understood the logic behind having heel commentators. I get heel wrestlers; you need people the audience will pay money to see get beat up. I get heel authority figures; they add a degree of dramatic conflict for the underdog face to overcome. I even get heel refs for much of the same reason. But heel commentators hardly ever get beat up and they don't add any sense of tension for the face to overcome. They just annoy the viewer with their idiot comments and ass-backwards the-heel-is-always-right logic train. Is there anything of significance that's added to the program when Jerry Lawler would call Mick Foley an idiot every two minutes or Michael Cole whining about Daniel Bryan being from "the minor leagues?"
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*** It's a non-gender case of a DoubleStandard. [=McCool's=] popularity aside, it's perfectly fine to make [[DudeNotFunny cheap shots]] towards someone if they're not a Smark-Favorite (See jokes about HHH's weight. Otherwise, [[ThisIsUnforgivable it's unforgivable]].
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*** It's a non-gender case of a DoubleStandard. [=McCool's=] popularity aside, it's perfectly fine to make [[DudeNotFunny cheap shots]] towards someone if they're not a Smark-Favorite (See jokes about HHH's weight.weight). Otherwise, [[ThisIsUnforgivable it's unforgivable]].
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* You know what bugs me? The idea that it's some horrible atrocity to make fun of Mickie James for an alleged weight problem, but it's okay to make fun of Michelle McCool for the exact same thing. Why? Because she had a really long title reign, and plays a heel on a ''scripted'' wrestling show. [[ThatGuyWithTheGlasses And feminism marches on.]]
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* You know what bugs me? The idea that it's some horrible atrocity to make fun of Mickie James for an alleged weight problem, but it's okay to make fun of Michelle McCool [=McCool=] for the exact same thing. Why? Because she had a really long title reign, and plays a heel on a ''scripted'' wrestling show. [[ThatGuyWithTheGlasses And feminism marches on.]]
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*** It's a non-gender case of a DoubleStandard. [=McCool's=] popularity aside, it's perfectly fine to make [[DudeNotFunny cheap shots]] towards someone if they're not a Smark-Favorite (See jokes about HHH's weight. Otherwise, [[ThisIsUnforgivable it's unforgivable]].
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* Probably not the best person to complain, as I haven't watched WWE regularly since 2001, but it just bugs me that all the Pay-Per-Views are all named after matches that were used as mid-card matches in older Pay-Per-Views (TLC, Hell in a Cell), and sometimes used on their TV shows (Extreme Rules, Fatal-4-Way). Also, this is more minor, and it's probably impractical anyway, but seeing as they had bought WCW years ago, it would have been nice to use some more of their Pay-Per-Views than just Great American Bash. Starrcade would have been awesome, as it's just about as old as Wrestlemania, or even some of their gimmicky ones like Fall Brawl or World War 3.
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** Well, keep in mind that Mickie James doesn't have weight problems, while Michelle [=McCool=] is super skinny, and less popular, never mind that Michelle is a talented athlete in her own right, and I wouldn't say that she's unhealthily skinny. This all ties into the belief that skinny women are unnatural.
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* You know what bugs me? The idea that it's some horrible atrocity to make fun of Mickie James for an alleged weight problem, but it's okay to make fun of Michelle McCool for the exact same thing. Why? Because she had a really long title reign, and plays a heel on a ''scripted'' wrestling show. [[ThatGuyWithTheGlasses And feminism marches on.]]
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*** Hector Guerrero thought that the character would be popular with children.
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* The gay bashing prevalent in this company, especially since wrestling is very, very gay. D-X is one of the weirdest example of this, they've called pretty much everybody gay, ever, bu they themselves have engaged in gay jokes so many times that the dichotomy is hilariously crazy. Are they hypocrites, severly closeted, or is it just a pack of jokes that nobody should take seriously?
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* How about the severe BadassDecay Nexus has been going through as well? In particular, Wade Barrett and Justin Gabriel (theoretically their two best guys) not only fail to beat Cena in a 2 on 1 scenario but they can't even beat him after DDT'ing the man on concrete (yes, the show was running late which is why the spot should have shelved for another match) and get utterly owned in the span of five minutes.
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* How about the severe BadassDecay Nexus has been going through as well? In particular, Wade Barrett and Justin Gabriel (theoretically their two best guys) not only fail to beat Cena in a 2 on 1 scenario but they can't even beat him after DDT'ing the man on concrete (yes, the show was running late which is why the spot should have shelved for another match) and get utterly owned in the span of five minutes. Then they're put in singles matches with Team WWE to salvage their credibility... except only Wade and Skip (and his partner Otunga by extension) manage to win cleanly. Young gets squashed by Cena. Tarver only wins through distraction and the rest win by countout. Slater's countout victory could have been sold as him outsmarting Edge... had the commentators not immediately noted he wasn't aware of the ref counting and won on pure dumb luck. It's like the WWE doesn't even care at this point if their top heels are complete jokes.
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* How about the severe BadassDecay Nexus has been going through as well? In particular, Wade Barrett and Justin Gabriel (theoretically their two best guys) not only fail to beat Cena in a 2 on 1 scenario but they can't even beat him after DDT'ing the man on concrete (yes, the show was running late which is why the spot should have shelved for another match) and get utterly owned in the span of five minutes.
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* One thing that's bugged me for years: why is it that except on rare occasions, a face cannot tap out to a heel's submission finisher, while as soon as a face slaps the heel in their submission finisher, the heel taps out almost instantly? I mean, the theory behind a submission finisher is that if the person in the hold DOESN'T tap out, they'll be gravely injured or have a limb snapped or something. Does Vince really feel that a submission would damage a face's credibility? And this leads to a WallBanger because after a face turns heel, he'll be tapping out left and right to submission finishers even though only a month earlier he could be in such a hold for two minutes and not come CLOSE to tapping out. Even worse: a heel will do everything they can to weaken a body part targeted by a submission, only for it not to work, while the face can just slap their submission on without ANY previous work and the heel will submit.
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* Why are they reusing the Vickie Guerrero is a deluded idiot seduced by the hot young stud gimmick, and as much as Dolph Ziggler is a talented guy, he does not have the charisma that {{Edge}} has...not to mention that people hated that gimmick and it's considered SoBadItsHorrible, so why would a less charismatic guy save a gimmick people already hate, and worse, are tired of? I can understand [[JohnCena reusing]] a [[HulkHogan popular]] [[AllAmericanFace gimmick]], but an unpopular one?
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****A significant crusierweights don't go all out for the same reason hardcore matches almost never get as violent as ECW. Fear of injuries and the schedule. WWE would rather have a guy go half speed for all of their shows in a month than all out for one or two. The Shooting Star Press wasn't banned until Billy Kidman crushed Chavo Guerrero's head after all. And Evan Bourne had to really prove he could do it perfectly to get it unbanned.
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***And as of Summer Slam 2010, he's back in the WWE.
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***** Apparently, the writers at WWE wanted some fresh faces in the Heavyweight title pictures and they wanted big guys, i.e. Sheamus and Jack Swagger. A silver lining in this all is that Cena went to WWE Management and said they're underutilizing Bourne and they need to push him to avoid dropping the ball on him. In that case, why didn't anyone go to Vince and say "You're fucking up the cruiserweight division. We've got some great talent in there. It shouldn't go to waste" I'm gonna start ranting if I don't stop it right here.
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*** {{TNA}} ''had'', sadly; it would seem that Messrs. Hogan and Bischoff share Mr. McMahon's opinion of women's wrestling.
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*** {{TNA}} ''had'', sadly; it would seem that Messrs. Hogan and Bischoff share Mr. McMahon's opinion of women's wrestling.
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** Because according to VinceMcMahon, no one wants to see women being violent - women should be sex objects first and foremost. It took years before we even had women like Sable and Sunny, who had a moveset beyond catfighting - this troper can remember being a twelve-year-old girl and being ''astonished'' that Sable could powerbomb. When Chyna was first brought into WWE, HHH and Shawn Michaels and Shane [=McMahon=] spent ''months'' trying to convince Vince that people would buy her beating up men. And she really paved the way for women like Trish Stratus and Lita and Victoria and Ivory and Jazz. Unfortunately, there's never been much support for women's wrestling in WWE. Women's matches are seen as filler by ''everyone''; there will never be a women's match main-eventing a show. The main-events are the matches that draw your crowd and up your PPV buys. And that translates into "not profitable" to Vince's almighty-dollar mindset, thus, we're never going to get the quality of women's wrestling in WWE that Japan and TNA has.
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*** Right. Just as soon as the writers figure out what it was supposed to be.
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* Am I the only one bugged that Women's Wrestling in the WWE has moved away from actually skilled grapplers like Trish Stratus, Jazz, and Lita to no-talent skanks who can't do anything but catfight? For that matter, WHY did Vince let the Women's Division be gutted like it did, anyway?
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* The abundance of [[FlatCharacter Flat Character's]] in wrestling, especially amongst faces, is it that hard to write a character with personality? Would it really confuse their fan base to make JohnCena more then "[[AllAmericanFace God, Mom and apple pie]]", it may be an old standard, but can't you give him some depth? Or how about destroying the character of wrestlers with one, John Morrison had his eccentric and arrogant rock star thing. Do all their writers really suck that much?
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* The abundance of [[FlatCharacter Flat Character's]] Characters]] in wrestling, especially amongst faces, is it that hard to write a character with personality? Would it really confuse their fan base to make JohnCena more then "[[AllAmericanFace God, Mom and apple pie]]", it may be an old standard, but can't you give him some depth? Or how about destroying the character of wrestlers with one, John Morrison had his eccentric and arrogant rock star thing. Do all their writers really suck that much?
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** World Wrestling Association is actually a lucha libre federation in Mexico. World Wrestling Organization is similarly taken. It wasn't easy to come up with a name that includes "World Wrestling" that isn't already used by someone else.
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** This Troper has no problems with TV-PG; however, I do have a problem with the writers thinking TV-PG is the same as TV-Y. PG can lead to some wonderful moments (Ted DiBiase kicking the basketball away from the little kid, for example) and the writers have grasped this concept as of late. The blood stoppage is still annoying though.
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** This Troper has no problems with TV-PG; however, I do have a problem with the writers thinking TV-PG is the same as TV-Y. PG can lead to some wonderful moments (Ted DiBiase [=DiBiase=] kicking the basketball away from the little kid, for example) and the writers have grasped this concept as of late. The blood stoppage is still annoying though.
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** This Troper has no problems with TV-PG; however, I do have a problem with the writers thinking TV-PG is the same as TV-Y. PG can lead to some wonderful moments (Ted DiBiase kicking the basketball away from the little kid, for example) and the writers have grasped this concept as of late. The blood stoppage is still annoying though.
