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2nd Jun '17 11:57:53 AM cjpdk
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** I think that what Vince Sr. would've disapproved of was the collapse of the old territories system. WWE would never have become a global business if they were still in the NWA and confined to the North-Eastern states
29th May '17 5:20:43 AM JC96
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* According to [[Wrestling/VinceMcMahon Vince McMahon]], his father Vince Sr. would've never gave him the reigns of the 'family business' had he known that Vince Jr. was gonna make it into an global money-maker. Not that I don't blame his father for having reservations about it but what factors, especially those seen in today's WWE, an opponent against this?

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* According to [[Wrestling/VinceMcMahon Vince McMahon]], his father Vince Sr. would've never gave him the reigns of the 'family business' had he known that Vince Jr. was gonna make it into an global money-maker. money-making phenomenon. Not that I don't blame his father for having reservations about it but what factors, especially those seen in today's WWE, an opponent would make him against this?
28th May '17 8:22:28 PM JC96
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*** The incident took place in 2002: HHH didn't marry Steph (for real), and thus have real backstage power because he was now in the family, until the next year.

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*** **** The incident took place in 2002: HHH didn't marry Steph (for real), and thus have real backstage power because he was now in the family, until the next year.



*** I still want to know why Matt helped Edge of all people. '''EDGE.''' The man that tore Lita from you.
*** Well, this troper heard that the original plan was for Christian to make his re-debut by being the guy behind the attacks on Jeff, and the bookers dropped a few hints here and there. However, IWC fans and the like figured the clues out and immediately voiced their observations that Christian was the guy. Stephanie [=McMahon=], however, got wind of this and pulled the entire storyline because she was assuming that the fans would be too stupid to figure the whole thing out. She also pulled this with the "Save.us.222" campaign in late '07 that hyped up the return of Wrestling/ChrisJericho, which dropped many hints that pointed to Jericho. So instead of re-debuting around the time of Cyber Sunday, as was originally planned, Jericho's return was pushed back into December, at which point the entire hype behind the Save Us campaign was lost and people didn't give a shit.
*** The above poster is entirely correct. Both Vince and Steph feel that their viewers are complete morons (even more so than other TV writers).

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*** **** I still want to know why Matt helped Edge of all people. '''EDGE.''' The man that tore Lita from you.
*** **** Well, this troper heard that the original plan was for Christian to make his re-debut by being the guy behind the attacks on Jeff, and the bookers dropped a few hints here and there. However, IWC fans and the like figured the clues out and immediately voiced their observations that Christian was the guy. Stephanie [=McMahon=], however, got wind of this and pulled the entire storyline because she was assuming that the fans would be too stupid to figure the whole thing out. She also pulled this with the "Save.us.222" campaign in late '07 that hyped up the return of Wrestling/ChrisJericho, which dropped many hints that pointed to Jericho. So instead of re-debuting around the time of Cyber Sunday, as was originally planned, Jericho's return was pushed back into December, at which point the entire hype behind the Save Us campaign was lost and people didn't give a shit.
*** ***** The above poster is entirely correct. Both Vince and Steph feel that their viewers are complete morons (even more so than other TV writers).



*** No, Cole is an example of a bad heel, a guy who buries faces cheers for his favourite without logic, thus being irritating and getting nobody over. For examples of GOOD heel commentators, see Wrestling/PaulHeyman and Wrestling/JohnBradshawLayfield, they put over how good the babyfaces were (with Bradshaw he mostly did this, save one or two people he genuinely disliked) yet still supporting the heel, cheering when the heel won via dastardly means and professing his superiority to the face they spent 10 minutes putting over. Thus the face gets genuine credibility via the words of both commentators, the heel gets heat via cheating, and the commentator gets heat for supporting the heel and glossing over or ignoring his dastardly actions.
*** In re Bradshaw: Some of his most entertaining work may have been when Vito was doing the dress gimmick on ''[=SmackDown!=]'', as Vito's antics + [=JBL=]'s dead serious contempt for them = Hilarity.

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*** **** No, Cole is an example of a bad heel, a guy who buries faces cheers for his favourite without logic, thus being irritating and getting nobody over. For examples of GOOD heel commentators, see Wrestling/PaulHeyman and Wrestling/JohnBradshawLayfield, they put over how good the babyfaces were (with Bradshaw he mostly did this, save one or two people he genuinely disliked) yet still supporting the heel, cheering when the heel won via dastardly means and professing his superiority to the face they spent 10 minutes putting over. Thus the face gets genuine credibility via the words of both commentators, the heel gets heat via cheating, and the commentator gets heat for supporting the heel and glossing over or ignoring his dastardly actions.
*** ***** In re Bradshaw: Some of his most entertaining work may have been when Vito was doing the dress gimmick on ''[=SmackDown!=]'', as Vito's antics + [=JBL=]'s dead serious contempt for them = Hilarity.



*** This, of course, was after breaching his WWF champion's contract, and telling him to get the best deal he could from the competition. In ''Wrestling With Shadows'', when Bret offers to ask Bischoff to keep the deal quiet, Vince in fact turns him down and says not to worry about it.

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*** **** This, of course, was after breaching his WWF champion's contract, and telling him to get the best deal he could from the competition. In ''Wrestling With Shadows'', when Bret offers to ask Bischoff to keep the deal quiet, Vince in fact turns him down and says not to worry about it.



* According to [[Wrestling/VinceMcMahon]], his father Vince Sr. would've never gave him the reigns of the 'family business' had he known that Vince Jr. was gonna make it into an global money-maker. Not that I don't blame his father for having reservations about it but what factors, especially those seen in today's WWE, an opponent against this?

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* According to [[Wrestling/VinceMcMahon]], [[Wrestling/VinceMcMahon Vince McMahon]], his father Vince Sr. would've never gave him the reigns of the 'family business' had he known that Vince Jr. was gonna make it into an global money-maker. Not that I don't blame his father for having reservations about it but what factors, especially those seen in today's WWE, an opponent against this?
28th May '17 8:21:28 PM JC96
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* According to [[Wrestling/VinceMcMahon]], his father Vince Sr. would've never gave him the reigns of the 'family business' had he known that Vince Jr. was gonna make it into an global money-maker. Not that I don't blame his father for having reservations about it but what factors, especially those seen in today's WWE, an opponent against this?
18th Jun '15 8:19:42 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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** That handwave doesn't hold up when other pro wrestling feds have "openweight", "universal" "no limit", ect title belts. Of course, WWE doesn't care much about presenting itself as a sport, given the word championship has come to refer to physical objects rather than sporting events. Hell, "championship" in place of "title belt" is almost endemic in pro wrestling in general thanks to WWE, see something relatively free of their taint and the word is always "title" or "belt" with championship being a contest.

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** That handwave doesn't hold up when other pro wrestling feds have "openweight", "universal" "no limit", ect title belts. Of course, WWE doesn't care much about presenting itself as a sport, given the word championship has come to refer to physical objects rather than sporting events. Hell, "championship" in place of "title belt" is almost endemic in pro wrestling in general thanks to WWE, see something relatively free of their taint and the word is always "title" or "belt" with championship being a contest. Even then, WWE remains one of the few places with a seeming aversion to the word belt, rather than just a misapplication of championship.
15th Jun '15 10:33:18 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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** If it ever happens it will be decided on the spot most likely with a lot of very intentional controversy. The most logical answers in order would be it would start a triple threat match OR start some kind of really odd two refs watching two matches, possibly with DQs if anybody directly hit the not champion.

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** If it ever happens it will be decided on the spot most likely with a lot of very intentional controversy. The most logical answers in order would be it would start a triple threat match OR start some kind of really odd two refs watching two matches, possibly with DQs disqualifications if anybody directly hit the not champion.



*** This was disproven twice. Wrestling/AlbertoDelRio cashed in his MITB on Wrestling/CMPunk, who had just been flattened by a jackknife powerbomb by Wrestling/KevinNash. CM Punk wasn't given a chance to stand up. Then later, Wrestling/RandyOrton's MitB cash-in was after [[Wrestling/BryanDanielson Daniel Bryan]] was laid out by a Pedigree from Wrestling/TripleH. Bryan wasn't given a chance to stand up either.

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*** This was disproven twice. Wrestling/AlbertoDelRio cashed in his MITB on Wrestling/CMPunk, who had just been flattened by a jackknife powerbomb by Wrestling/KevinNash. CM Punk wasn't given a chance to stand up. Then later, Wrestling/RandyOrton's MitB MITB cash-in was after [[Wrestling/BryanDanielson Daniel Bryan]] was laid out by a Pedigree from Wrestling/TripleH. Bryan wasn't given a chance to stand up either.
15th Jun '15 10:32:29 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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* Why do MITB winners forget that the rules of the contract are you get a match when you want? It seems like the standard strategy is to wait until they've had an usually difficult match but there is nothing preventing the winner from using the brief case like the same way the Hardcore Championship used to work. You'd think someone like Wrestling/DamianSandow or any genre savvy heel would blind side you in the middle of an interview and pin you then.

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* Why do MITB winners forget that the rules of the contract are you get a match when you want? It seems like the standard strategy is to wait until they've had an usually difficult match but there is nothing preventing the winner from using the brief case like the same way the Hardcore Championship used to work. You'd think someone like Wrestling/DamianSandow Wrestling/DamienSandow or any genre savvy heel would blind side you in the middle of an interview and pin you then.



*** This was disproven twice. Wrestling/AlbertoDelRio cashed in his MitB on Wrestling/CMPunk, who had just been flattened by a jackknife powerbomb by Wrestling/KevinNash. CM Punk wasn't given a chance to stand up. Then later, Wrestling/RandyOrton's MitB cash-in was after [[Wrestling/BryanDanielson Daniel Bryan]] was laid out by a Pedigree from Wrestling/TripleH. Bryan wasn't given a chance to stand up either.

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*** This was disproven twice. Wrestling/AlbertoDelRio cashed in his MitB MITB on Wrestling/CMPunk, who had just been flattened by a jackknife powerbomb by Wrestling/KevinNash. CM Punk wasn't given a chance to stand up. Then later, Wrestling/RandyOrton's MitB cash-in was after [[Wrestling/BryanDanielson Daniel Bryan]] was laid out by a Pedigree from Wrestling/TripleH. Bryan wasn't given a chance to stand up either.
15th Jun '15 10:32:10 AM IndirectActiveTransport
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** Because they did not do that, they never tried to pass them off as the real thing and people that didn't do the research just assumed they did. For more information about it see what I wrote at [[http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/columns/76474/Ask-411-Wrestling-05.28.08:-FAQ-Part-1!.htm Ask411 which was recently reposted in their FAQs column]].

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** Because they did not do that, they never tried to pass them off as the real thing and people that didn't do the research just assumed they did. For more information about it see what I wrote at [[http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/columns/76474/Ask-411-Wrestling-05.28.08:-FAQ-Part-1!.htm Ask411 which was recently reposted riposted in their FAQs column]].



*** Vince, according to some reports, is not the kind of guy who responds well to criticism. So it very well might have been that everybody was scared to tell him it was a bad idea for fear of the consequences. One example I read about: in 2004 fans were losing interest in WWE, and none of Vince's yes-men would tell him what was wrong with the product. So he brought Pat Patterson out of semi-retirement, since Patterson had always been straight with him. (No pun intended.) Patterson examined the problem, and finally told Vince that it might be a good idea for TripleH not to destroy everybody he went up against and for them to focus less on Hunter and more on building new stars. This was not received well, and Patterson was let go.

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*** Vince, according to some reports, is not the kind of guy who responds well to criticism. So it very well might have been that everybody was scared to tell him it was a bad idea for fear of the consequences. One example I read about: in 2004 fans were losing interest in WWE, and none of Vince's yes-men would tell him what was wrong with the product. So he brought Pat Patterson out of semi-retirement, since Patterson had always been straight with him. (No pun intended.) Patterson examined the problem, and finally told Vince that it might be a good idea for TripleH Triple H not to destroy everybody he went up against and for them to focus less on Hunter and more on building new stars. This was not received well, and Patterson was let go.



** Matt killed Jeff's dog? What the hell? Where was I when this was said?! Unless it was a joke, I don't think even a wrestler would get away with illegally killing an animal (or arson for that matter with the house), unless laws in America allow ruthelessly killing defenceless animals perfectly legal.

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** Matt killed Jeff's dog? What the hell? Where was I when this was said?! Unless it was a joke, I don't think even a wrestler would get away with illegally killing an animal (or arson for that matter with the house), unless laws in America allow ruthelessly ruthlessly killing defenceless animals perfectly legal.



*** Because heel comentators are usually AffablyEvil and most people love them, Wrestling/BobbyHeenan, Wrestling/CMPunk and Wrestling/{{Tazz}} are hilarious, and they play the heelish comentator role. And Heel [[Wrestling/MichaelCole Cole]] is awesome, and complaining stupidly about the faces makes one like the faces more.

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*** Because heel comentators are usually AffablyEvil and most people love them, Wrestling/BobbyHeenan, Wrestling/CMPunk and Wrestling/{{Tazz}} are hilarious, and they play the heelish comentator commentator role. And Heel [[Wrestling/MichaelCole Cole]] is awesome, and complaining stupidly about the faces makes one like the faces more.



** Actually the purpose of a heel commentator is to have someone on the commentating team who likes the heel on top of excusing any heel like actions the heel may commit in the match this essentially allows the heel commentator to not only come off as villian but also allows them to garner large amount of heat from viewers watching on TV, so basically if you hate heel commentators they have successfully done the job they're supposed be doing.

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** Actually the purpose of a heel commentator is to have someone on the commentating team who likes the heel on top of excusing any heel like actions the heel may commit in the match this essentially allows the heel commentator to not only come off as villian villain but also allows them to garner large amount of heat from viewers watching on TV, so basically if you hate heel commentators they have successfully done the job they're supposed be doing.



** That handwave doesn't hold up when other pro wrestling feds have "openweight", "universal" "no limit", ect title belts. Of course, WWE doesn't care much about presenting itself as a sport, given the word championship has come to refer to physical objects rather than sporting events. Hell, "championship" in place of "title belt" is almost endemic in pro wrestling in general thanks to WWE, see something relatively free of their taint and the word is always "title" or "belt" with championship being a contest.



** This happened during the main event of WrestleMania 31, and it turned into a triple threat match.
* Why do MITB winners forget that the rules of the contract are you get a match when you want? It seems like the standard strategy is to wait until they've had an usually difficult match but there is nothing preventing the winner from using the brief case like the same way the Hardcore Championship used to work. You'd think someone like Damian Sandow or any genre savvy heel would blind side you in the middle of an interview and pin you then.

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** This happened during the main event of WrestleMania Wrestlemania 31, and it turned into a triple threat match.
* Why do MITB winners forget that the rules of the contract are you get a match when you want? It seems like the standard strategy is to wait until they've had an usually difficult match but there is nothing preventing the winner from using the brief case like the same way the Hardcore Championship used to work. You'd think someone like Damian Sandow Wrestling/DamianSandow or any genre savvy heel would blind side you in the middle of an interview and pin you then.



*** This was disproven twice. ProfessionalWrestling/AlbertoDelRio cashed in his MitB on ProfessionalWrestling/CMPunk, who had just been flattened by a jackknife powerbomb by ProfessionalWrestling/KevinNash. CM Punk wasn't given a chance to stand up. Then later, ProfessionalWrestling/RandyOrton's MitB cash-in was after [[ProfessionalWrestling/BryanDanielson Daniel Bryan]] was laid out by a Pedigree from ProfessionalWrestling/TripleH. Bryan wasn't given a chance to stand up either.

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*** This was disproven twice. ProfessionalWrestling/AlbertoDelRio Wrestling/AlbertoDelRio cashed in his MitB on ProfessionalWrestling/CMPunk, Wrestling/CMPunk, who had just been flattened by a jackknife powerbomb by ProfessionalWrestling/KevinNash.Wrestling/KevinNash. CM Punk wasn't given a chance to stand up. Then later, ProfessionalWrestling/RandyOrton's Wrestling/RandyOrton's MitB cash-in was after [[ProfessionalWrestling/BryanDanielson [[Wrestling/BryanDanielson Daniel Bryan]] was laid out by a Pedigree from ProfessionalWrestling/TripleH.Wrestling/TripleH. Bryan wasn't given a chance to stand up either.
5th Apr '15 10:51:15 AM sniperfox29
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*** Tank Abbot in WCW won by KO, and no, he did not get massively over.
30th Mar '15 6:02:34 AM HumanTorch2
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** This happened during the main event of WrestleMania 31, and it turned into a triple threat match.
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