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*** Of course, that's only assuming that [[SoCalization the age of consent in all states is 18]]. It really shouldn't be a problem since some states like Washington have sixteen as the age of consent. No problem there.
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*** Of course, that's only assuming that [[SoCalization [[HollywoodProvincialism the age of consent in all states is 18]]. It really shouldn't be a problem since some states like Washington have sixteen as the age of consent. No problem there.
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* She could only see the Volturi coming, not what and where the battle was. She didn't see them arrive, just them on their way. Also, Alice did see Irina telling them - she said she was almost there and too close to stop her. This didn't involve Renesmee directly enough for her not to see it.
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** She did see it, because they questioned on whether they could stop her, but they saw it too late.
** Alice can lie in her thoughts. Remember in ''Eclipse'' where she and Edward play chess?
** The shield is described as being like one-way glass - the people under the shield can use their powers, but other powers can't touch them. Bella has literally made the Voluri's supernaturally-powered guard unable to use their powers.
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*** That doesn't explain why Sam's pack is in it for Breaking Dawn. Maybe it's something to do with all the non-vegetarian vampires in the area leaving once the thing for Renesmee is cleared up?
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** To be fair, she has reason to dislike Lauren. Lauren is a jealous bitch who wants to make her miserable. Jessica is using her as a way to get attention, but at least she's friendly instead of sulking because everyone's paying attention. At the start of Midnight Sun, Edward reads Lauren mind-complainting about all the attention Bella is getting, and she's openly rude and condescending towards Bella for the rest of high school.
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** Bella is obviously an introverted. In Forks where everyone is friendly is easy to hang out (its not like there are many things to do) but in Phoenix she was probably lost in a sea of social girls and probably didn't knew how to relate to them. I mean if she had to do all the chores in the house, pay the bills, do the shopping... she probably didn't had a lot to talk about with normal teenagers with real parents, either.
** It's quite common for heroines in classics to be isolated. In fact, many of them hardly seem to have a close friend prior to the events of the novel. Probably it's to get rid of too many irrelevant characters because an intelligent audience doesn't want to read about any ordinary friendship and all the banal dialogue most of us undergoe.
** It's quite common for heroines in classics to be isolated. In fact, many of them hardly seem to have a close friend prior to the events of the novel. Probably it's to get rid of too many irrelevant characters because an intelligent audience doesn't want to read about any ordinary friendship and all the banal dialogue most of us undergoe.
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** Bella is obviously an introverted.introvert. In Forks where everyone is friendly is easy to hang out (its not like there are many things to do) but in Phoenix she was probably lost in a sea of social girls and probably didn't knew how to relate to them. I mean if she had to do all the chores in the house, pay the bills, do the shopping... she probably didn't had a lot to talk about with normal teenagers with real parents, either.
** Besides that, Bella is the new girl. Forks is a tiny town where everyone knows everyone else. The new kid from Phoenix is exotic and exciting in their view.
** It's quite common for heroines in classics to be isolated. In fact, many of them hardly seem to have a close friend prior to the events of the novel. Probably it's to get rid of too many irrelevant characters because an intelligent audience doesn't want to read about any ordinary friendship and all the banal dialogue most of usundergoe.undergone.
** Besides that, Bella is the new girl. Forks is a tiny town where everyone knows everyone else. The new kid from Phoenix is exotic and exciting in their view.
** It's quite common for heroines in classics to be isolated. In fact, many of them hardly seem to have a close friend prior to the events of the novel. Probably it's to get rid of too many irrelevant characters because an intelligent audience doesn't want to read about any ordinary friendship and all the banal dialogue most of us
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* I don't normally care that much about shipping or canon relationships, but... Was there any legitimate reason that Bella went with Edward instead of Jacob? Edward left her for a long time and was a bit cold about it, Jacob was nice too her, in fact, nicer than Edward ever was. But she didn't seem to have a hard time choosing to go back to Edward when he returned. Was that ever explained?
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* I don't normally care that much about shipping or canon relationships, but... Was there any legitimate reason that Bella went with Edward instead of Jacob? Edward left her for a long time and was a bit cold about it, Jacob was nice too to her, in fact, nicer than Edward ever was. But she didn't seem to have a hard time choosing to go back to Edward when he returned. Was that ever explained?
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** Actually Edward imagined that Bella will be sad,but like any normal teenager she will get over it. He never guessed she will get herself killed over him and actually she didn't the accident happened when she did something reckless but she wasn't planning suicide if she did Alice would had warned Edward and he had never had left. The fact that she never actually planned on hurting herself is the missing link on his plan.
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** Actually Edward imagined that Bella will be sad,but sad, but like any normal teenager she will get over it. He never guessed she will get herself killed over him and actually she didn't - the accident happened when she did something reckless but she wasn't planning suicide if suicide. If she did Alice would had warned Edward and he had never would had left. The fact that she never actually planned on hurting herself is the missing link on his plan.
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*** He made Bella promise to look after herself specifically so this wouldn't happen. The fact that he believed she'd keep herself safe is on her, but then neither of them saw that she'd hear him whenever she was in a dangerous situation (whether she thought it was dangerous or not - notice that when she argues with Jacob, she sees no danger but she still hears it).
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*** He doesn't look particularly boyish, either, which is how he was described in the books - he looked younger than the other Cullens because he was turned at the youngest age (All the other Cullens are physically past high school age, except possibly Rosalie).
**** Jacob drove Billy later in the story, when they came over. Charlie mentioned it, saying he was going to pretend he didn't see Jacob at the wheel, to which he said "We get permits early on the rez". Probably not true, but either way, sounds like he usually drives.
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** An interesting point to make is that one of the possibilities Alice sees in ''Midnight Sun'' is Bella in her twenties, still dating Edward. That's what he would have liked the most.
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* Forgive me if this is pointed out in the books, but I still wonder: why ''did'' Bella move to Forks? I've only read the first chapter (The grammar errors icked me enough to stop, so I stopped). She outright said that "I detest Forks. I love Phoenix." at some point, and goes on several times on how Phoenix is so superior in every which way. Her mother even says when dropping her off at the airport that "You don't have to go", indicating that Bella wasn't forced this decision. So why, for the love of everything gracious, '''is she even moving there in the first place?''' If this isn't addressed later, not even as an ExcusePlot to it, then...why??
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* Forgive me if this is pointed out in the books, but I still wonder: why ''did'' Bella move to Forks? I've only read the first chapter (The grammar errors icked irked me enough to stop, so I stopped). She outright said that "I detest Forks. I love Phoenix." at some point, and goes on several times on how Phoenix is so superior in every which way. Her mother even says when dropping her off at the airport that "You don't have to go", indicating that Bella wasn't forced this decision. So why, for the love of everything gracious, '''is she even moving there in the first place?''' If this isn't addressed later, not even as an ExcusePlot to it, then...why??
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** She would have been able to move to Jacksonville later on if she'd wanted, but by that point she wanted to stay with her new relationship.
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** Probably a combination of being drunk and wanting to impress his friends. Maybe he didn't really think about it until afterwards, or maybe he didn't believe he'd hurt Rosalie that much, even though his friends thought she was dead. Or maybe he wanted to date someone else and used this as an excuse, which was apparently what happened in the gender-switched version - Rosalie's male counterpart was murdered by the man his fiancee actually wanted to marry.
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*** Do most humans really not question their existence or wonder why they are the way they are?
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** It's a lot simpler to get someone to believe something when they discover the evidence and come to the conclusion themselves.
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** The only vampire pregnancies that are possible seem to be male vampire/female human. Vampires don't care about humans; the vampire father will raise the child.
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*** It's possible that ingested blood could somehow travel through a vampire's rearranged organs and act as substitute semen, thawing the long-frozen sperm and carrying it out of the body.
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*** Vampires only drink blood, so really the opposite of a vegetarian vampire would be a cannibal. You may laugh now.
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*** That makes zero sense. Bella would not be an ephebophile for having a 17 year old bf at the age of 18. It doesn’t work like that. Technically, the age range of ephebophilia runs to 19 anyway.
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*** The perception of pain happens in the mind. Jane's sensation of burning pain, Alec's sensory deprivation mist and Kate's sensation of an electric shock, these are all projected directly into their victims' minds, without affecting their nervous systems. And it is definitely possible for the mind to perceive sensations without the nervous system actually picking them up. It happens all the time when we dream. In our dreams we hear, see, smell, taste and feel things that are not really there at all.
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**** He mentioned it to Bella, either in Twilight or Eclipse. Something like, "I thought your Dad was stupid, but apparently I can only read some of his thoughts".
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*** Isn't it obvious? If it were human sperm Renesmee would have been a human. It was crystal vampire sperm, of course!
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* In chapter 26 of ''Breaking Dawn'', Renesmee leaps 15 feet up into the air to catch and display an eight pointed snowflake. How? Snowflakes have six points because of the shape of the water molecule. There is a 104.45 degree angle between the two hydrogen atoms, and in forming the hydrogen bonded lattice with the neighboring oxygen molecules when freezing, ice crystals are incapable of being anything but hexagonal. How does Renesmee have a "perfectly-formed eight-pointed" snowflake?
LIFE BEGAN ON THIS PLANET BECAUSE WATER MAKES SIX-POINTED SNOWFLAKES!!!!
LIFE BEGAN ON THIS PLANET BECAUSE WATER MAKES SIX-POINTED SNOWFLAKES!!!!
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* In chapter 26 of ''Breaking Dawn'', Renesmee leaps 15 feet up into the air to catch and display an eight pointed snowflake. How? Snowflakes have six points because of the shape of the water molecule. There is a 104.45 degree angle between the two hydrogen atoms, and in forming the hydrogen bonded lattice with the neighboring oxygen molecules when freezing, ice crystals are incapable of being anything but hexagonal. How does Renesmee have a "perfectly-formed eight-pointed" snowflake?
snowflake? LIFE BEGAN ON THIS PLANET BECAUSE WATER MAKES SIX-POINTED SNOWFLAKES!!!!
** It symbolizes her being an extra-special snowflake. Even Bella was probably only a septagon snowflake.
** It symbolizes her being an extra-special snowflake. Even Bella was probably only a septagon snowflake.
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** Vampire baseball is like Quidditch, but instead of pretending to be cricket American football it pretends to be baseball.
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** As yet another follow-up, not so much "how is a uterus supposed to accomodate an expanding sack of unyielding vampire skin without tearing?" as "how does blood get through it from outside, and how can amniotic fluid expand it?"
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*** The transformation restores your body to perfect health, including your ideal weight. Siobhan was big, not obese.
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**** I suppose he could have followed the suitcase of someone who was flying to Phoenix, which he could have overheard with his super hearing.
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** Given that all of Meyer's defenses amout to "it's fiction", it seems likely she just made up all the numbers without thinking math figured into it.
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*** Emotions come hand in hand with thoughts. And it's written [[WordOfGod in the Midnight Son draft]] that Edward can only read Charlie's emotions, having no clue what his actual thoughts are.
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*** Many women had experienced the same. Sometimes it take the baby actually coming for you get the mother instincts to kick in. ** That could be explained as her lying to herself since she was so set on being a vampire (she might not want to think about anything which could affect that happening, such as her wanting a child) or more likely she might not have really thought about it until she was pregnant with Edward's baby. Beforehand she had probably been thinking about babies in general, rather than her baby specifically and what that would be like
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*** Many women had experienced the same. Sometimes it take the baby actually coming for you get the mother instincts to kick in. in.
** That could be explained as her lying to herself since she was so set on being a vampire (she might not want to think about anything which could affect that happening, such as her wanting a child) or more likely she might not have really thought about it until she was pregnant with Edward's baby. Beforehand she had probably been thinking about babies in general, rather than her baby specifically and what that would be like
** That could be explained as her lying to herself since she was so set on being a vampire (she might not want to think about anything which could affect that happening, such as her wanting a child) or more likely she might not have really thought about it until she was pregnant with Edward's baby. Beforehand she had probably been thinking about babies in general, rather than her baby specifically and what that would be like
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*** Sure, it may be that way now, but the issue there is that this was their reason for going into hiding a good couple hundred years ago. When humans DIDN'T have bombs or the strength or resources to kill the vamps. There was literally nothing stopping them back then. WordofGod made a comment about their choice to the effect of "who would want to be the king of cows?"
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*** Sure, it may be that way now, but the issue there is that this was their reason for going into hiding a good couple hundred years ago. When humans DIDN'T have bombs or the strength or resources to kill the vamps. There was literally nothing stopping them back then. WordofGod WordOfGod made a comment about their choice to the effect of "who would want to be the king of cows?"
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** [[There's an anime where that happens ''Manga/SeraphOfTheEnd'']]
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** Maybe she said that someone left his dentures on the stairs and they accidentally closed around her wrist while she was falling. It happens all the time.
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* For that matter, if Bella (at normal body temperature) was cold, then Jacob (who runs considerably hotter) should have been freezing his well-toned ass off. Anyone who's ever had a high fever can describe the phenomenon of kicking off the covers because they're insulating your above-average body heat, then shivering uncontrollably because the average room temp is a good thirty degrees colder than they are. Jacob might have felt toasty to Bella, but he should have been just as eager to cling to her for warmth, too.
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**** Maybe they super-speed vampire-swam to America. In a big school. Like dolphins.
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* What the hell would really happen if Edward and Alice played rock-paper-scissors? There's a funny bit in ''BreakingDawn'' where Alice suggests it:
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* What the hell would really happen if Edward and Alice played rock-paper-scissors? There's a funny bit in ''BreakingDawn'' ''Literature/BreakingDawn'' where Alice suggests it:
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*At the end of the first book, Bella is in the hospital recovering from "falling down two flights of stairs and out a window." Sure, this fabrication provides reasonable explanations for her having severe bruising, a serious head injury, and broken glass in her body. But how the hell did they explain away the giant, gaping bite mark on her wrist? In the film she's even shown with a bandage around her arm, so obviously it was tended to along with the rest of her wounds.
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**** Why would vampires lose the ability or desire to have sex? It's not like they grow new vampires in vats or build them out of kits or anything; they all started out as humans, with a range of sexual orientations and sex drives. Besides, humans can be bi, gay, or asexual - sex clearly isn't just about making babies or everyone would be straight.
