History Headscratchers / Twilight

8th Jan '17 7:04:32 AM SeptimusHeap
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*** Hey, FreudWasRight.

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*** Hey, FreudWasRight.
18th Dec '16 5:29:45 AM Evighet
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*** Except those other things also exist because of procreation. Infertile people still have sex because they are human beings and humans as a species are programmed to want to have sex because it's a biological urge to keep the species going. It's as essential to the species as breathing or eating, only on a different level. Those instincts don't go away because you have a difficult time conceiving, or even if you cannot have children at all (though they go away if you lose the hormonal output needed to have the biological urge to procreate, hormones that exist for no other reason than to make new humans - do vampires have any hormones at all? I honestly can't recall). The instinct exists on a species-wide level, not an individual, and is part of our genetic make-up. Vampires do not procreate through sex and the act remains utterly pointless to them and they ought to have no more urge to engage in it than a human has an urge to fly south for the winter. Nor do vampires have any need for the other aspects of sex, which in and of themselves still exist for procreational purposes. There are a hundred other things vampires do for fun and pleasure (pleasure we only feel because it's designed to make us want to make babies) and they automatically bond very closely to their mates and form very strong ties (stronger than human love) because that's how their species operates and as such they have no need for that aspect of sex (and sex is far from the only thing you can do to bond with someone or be physically close to them). We humans bond with our partner through sex because of the hormones and the chemicals it releases, a process that is further connected to the need to produce new humans and raise them as successfully as possible. In short, it happens because it's an evolutionary advantage. Again, vampires have no need for that at all. Just like they have no need for a lot of other human bodily functions, including ones they performed a million times more often than they had sex. They might as well be going to the toilet more intensely than humans. Other than Meyer wanting to give her self-instert the best sex life of all time there is no reason for vampires to have sex.
18th Dec '16 4:42:31 AM Evighet
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** Well, even Smeyer herself says she'd never name a child Renesmee, so...
25th Nov '16 1:34:20 PM nombretomado
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* Why does the text treat Bella's shielding powers as the trump card that lets them win against the Volturi? On the side of the Cullens in that confrontation are Zafrina, a RealityWarper master of illusions that could blind and incapacitate every member of the Voluturi, and Benjamin, who is the [[AvatarTheLastAirbender Goddamned Avatar]], and casually thought about weaponizing ''fault lines!''

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* Why does the text treat Bella's shielding powers as the trump card that lets them win against the Volturi? On the side of the Cullens in that confrontation are Zafrina, a RealityWarper master of illusions that could blind and incapacitate every member of the Voluturi, and Benjamin, who is the [[AvatarTheLastAirbender [[Franchise/AvatarTheLastAirbender Goddamned Avatar]], and casually thought about weaponizing ''fault lines!''
25th Nov '16 11:06:06 AM nombretomado
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** Alice's power works based on what someone decides to do. Since Alice seems to be basically a slave to her powers, she'd obviously do whatever it is she'd see. So, clearly, when she decided to go into the diner, it was because her powers showed her making the [[AustinPowers decohnoI'vegonecross-eyed]]. Less amusingly, Alice would have gone into that diner for other reasons, non-future vision-related reasons, and would have met up with Jasper anyway.

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** Alice's power works based on what someone decides to do. Since Alice seems to be basically a slave to her powers, she'd obviously do whatever it is she'd see. So, clearly, when she decided to go into the diner, it was because her powers showed her making the [[AustinPowers [[Film/AustinPowers decohnoI'vegonecross-eyed]]. Less amusingly, Alice would have gone into that diner for other reasons, non-future vision-related reasons, and would have met up with Jasper anyway.
1st Oct '16 9:06:12 AM Kakai
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*** Just speculating here, but over time, they might've lost the ability to recognize whether or not something will look vintage or not. For someone who's been living from a few hundred hears, clothes from 1950s and clothes from 2000s might not look too dissimilar, so, having cash, they prefer to be on the safe side.
28th Sep '16 7:03:09 PM Bergamot
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** The best guess I have is that they feared that at a certain point, the vampire baby's bloodlust would kick in and it would realize it was trapped in a prison made of food.



** I don't think they actually ran out of blood. Bella was still chugging down blood when her equivalent of "the water broke" happened, and wound up spilling her cup on the couch. It was just that they had little left, and I'm not sure what they were thinking - that she might need some after the cesarian or something? - but at least it effectively got Carlisle and Esme out of the house in time for Edward to dazzle us with his elite surgery skills. Most likely the whole thing was just a way to add drama, since Carlisle would never have done a Rosalie and tried to eat Bella while performing the surgery.

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** I don't think they actually ran out of blood. Bella was still chugging down blood when her equivalent of "the water broke" happened, and wound up spilling her cup on the couch. It was just that they had little left, and I'm not sure what they were thinking - that she might need some after the cesarian cesarean or something? - but at least it effectively got Carlisle and Esme out of the house in time for Edward to dazzle us with his elite surgery skills. Most likely the whole thing was just a way to add drama, since Carlisle would never have done a Rosalie and tried to eat Bella while performing the surgery.
28th Sep '16 6:52:57 PM Bergamot
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*** If it's powerful enough to dissolve make-up and eat through contact lenses then ''how do they wear clothes?!''
28th Sep '16 6:25:46 PM Bergamot
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*** Alice's situation is a bit complicated. [[note]]Alice was alive in the early 1900's. As a child she had premonitions, but usually stayed quiet about them. At one point she had a strong feeling that something bad would happen to a friend of hers, but they were ignored. If I remember correctly, the child ended up dying. Another, similar, incident happened, and she was eventually labled a "witch" and "changeling" by the townspeople. One day, she had a vision that her mother would die, and her father chose to ignore it. It happened, and her father got remarried. After another vision, Alice realized that her father killed her mother in order to be with Alice's step mom, and the two were currently planning to kill Alice. Alice ran to the local authorities and reported her father and step mom, but unfortunately her father had already had her labled as mentally disturbed. Her father had her put into a mental asylum. While at the asylum, Alice was subjected to "shock therapy" and other "cures", which eventually caused her to have amnesia. A vampire happened to work at the asylum and realized that Alice was not crazy, but a legit psychic. He became her friend while attempting to help her use her powers. Eventually Alice had a vision of James coming after her, him having smelt her blood only moments before her vision. The vampire friend bit Alice to protect her, and went to distract James. Alice woke up and her first vision was of her and Jasper joining the Cullen family.[[/note]] Basically, she had a vision after waking up from the changing process, and it was of her and Jasper living a happy life with the Cullen's. She found Jasper as soon as possible, and then they went to find their new family together. I got the impression that the intensity of the visions and hope of having a good life overrided her thirst.

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*** Alice's situation is a bit complicated. [[note]]Alice was alive in the early 1900's. As a child she had premonitions, but usually stayed quiet about them. At one point she had a strong feeling that something bad would happen to a friend of hers, but they were ignored. If I remember correctly, the child ended up dying. Another, similar, incident happened, and she was eventually labled labeled a "witch" and "changeling" by the townspeople. One day, she had a vision that her mother would die, and her father chose to ignore it. It happened, and her father got remarried. After another vision, Alice realized that her father killed her mother in order to be with Alice's step mom, and the two were currently planning to kill Alice. Alice ran to the local authorities and reported her father and step mom, but unfortunately her father had already had her labled labeled as mentally disturbed. Her father had her put into a mental asylum. While at the asylum, Alice was subjected to "shock therapy" and other "cures", which eventually caused her to have amnesia. A vampire happened to work at the asylum and realized that Alice was not crazy, but a legit psychic. He became her friend while attempting to help her use her powers. Eventually Alice had a vision of James coming after her, him having smelt her blood only moments before her vision. The vampire friend bit Alice to protect her, and went to distract James. Alice woke up and her first vision was of her and Jasper joining the Cullen family.[[/note]] Basically, she had a vision after waking up from the changing process, and it was of her and Jasper living a happy life with the Cullen's. She found Jasper as soon as possible, and then they went to find their new family together. I got the impression that the intensity of the visions and hope of having a good life overrided overrode her thirst.




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* Canon states that vampires are physically ''and'' mentally frozen at the age they were when they were turned. Since most of the younger Cullens were turned pretty young (and all of them were mortal in time periods where high school-level education was not required), maybe they're just attending high school in order to keep up, and they have to keep doing as their memories "reset" to their mortal default? (But then, how on earth do they retain anything long enough for any of them to earn college degrees?)



*** That situation was because [[MarySue Bella's]] blood was overwhelmingly attractive to him to the point he stopped thinking rationally. As for Carlisle, there's this wonderful thing called forgery, fake credentials, etc. and he's got enough money to buy people's silence and skills. We already know that Alice has a contact who specialises in creating new identities for people; with enough money Carisle can buy enough documentation to show he's as skilled as he is (and he probably does go for more education to keep his skills up to date).

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*** That situation was because [[MarySue Bella's]] blood was overwhelmingly attractive to him to the point he stopped thinking rationally. As for Carlisle, there's this wonderful thing called forgery, fake credentials, etc. and he's got enough money to buy people's silence and skills. We already know that Alice has a contact who specialises in creating new identities for people; with enough money Carisle Carlisle can buy enough documentation to show he's as skilled as he is (and he probably does go for more education to keep his skills up to date).



*** He's naturally a hunter, and you're still dodging the issue that his was a one-off occurance for him. As for Carlisle, the forged documenation only refers to his identity along with documentation to back up whatever level of skill he wants to pass as. What makes you think he always goes to Harvard instead of just going to new unniversities? And he got his reputation through his work, he didn't buy that. He just bought the credentials to get the work to begin with. And again you're not counting the fact that A) Charsile is incredibly wealthy, B) he's made a lot of contacts over his long lifetime, C) he's a doctor in a small-town, and D) people with less money and skill have managed to pull off similar forgeries. All he has to do is spend enough money to buy records and the right's people's words (or just save their lives) and he can get in.

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*** He's naturally a hunter, and you're still dodging the issue that his was a one-off occurance occurrence for him. As for Carlisle, the forged documenation documentation only refers to his identity along with documentation to back up whatever level of skill he wants to pass as. What makes you think he always goes to Harvard instead of just going to new unniversities? universities? And he got his reputation through his work, he didn't buy that. He just bought the credentials to get the work to begin with. And again you're not counting the fact that A) Charsile Charlisle is incredibly wealthy, B) he's made a lot of contacts over his long lifetime, C) he's a doctor in a small-town, and D) people with less money and skill have managed to pull off similar forgeries. All he has to do is spend enough money to buy records and the right's people's words (or just save their lives) and he can get in.



** First off; Edward killed people he thought deserved it. A far cry from innocent people, and even then he eventually came to hate doing it. Was he indifferent to people dying because of Victoria? ...who knows? It's never brought up, he was more focused on MarySue and her safety. Again with Charlise, yes he probably has people who knows he's not normal. He doesn't seem oppossed to the idea at all; he doesn't bat an eye at Bella knowing that he and his family are vampires, and he doesn't care when Bella's father finds out about it to.

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** First off; Edward killed people he thought deserved it. A far cry from innocent people, and even then he eventually came to hate doing it. Was he indifferent to people dying because of Victoria? ...who knows? It's never brought up, he was more focused on MarySue and her safety. Again with Charlise, Carlisle, yes he probably has people who knows he's not normal. He doesn't seem oppossed opposed to the idea at all; he doesn't bat an eye at Bella knowing that he and his family are vampires, and he doesn't care when Bella's father finds out about it to.


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* Let's just say a lot of these problems could have been solved with homeschooling.
28th Sep '16 6:16:03 PM Bergamot
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** A deleted scene in ''Twilight'' also shows Alice using her psychic powers at a casino in Vegas for some extra cash. She literally walks through a bank of slot machines and occasionally stops in front of a random machine to swoop up the jackpot she knows is coming. In the scene, she implies that she does this for fun every time she's in the area.
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