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*** A case of a few people mentioning (incorrectly) that he's Hispanic, and it just sort of spread? Or a general lack of knowledge. Or both.
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**** His shirt is for a NZ rugby club, so I would agree that he's a New Zealander, but yeah, I don't get why people say Hispanic.
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****His shirt is for a NZ rugby club, so I would agree that he's a New Zealander, but yeah, I don't get why people say Hispanic.
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*** Where'd it say that? The surname seems to say he's Samoan. Either way, though, he's not Hispanic.
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** Pretty sure the game specifically said he was ''Maori''. Maori (as is Jonah) are from New Zealand. The Samoans are from the Samoan Islands. They may both be Pacific Islander, but that's like calling an Apache and Iroquois, just because both are Native American.
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**** [[spoiler: Nobody said she was whipping up hurricanes for seventy years. In the game, Yamatai is located in the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Sea Devil's Sea]], a.k.a. the Dragon's Triangle, which has a big danger sign on it courtesy of the Japanese government. A little strange weather in the area isn't enough reason to risk losing ''another'' boatload of researchers to it, and anyone who disregarded that and went anyway would fall victim to Mathias and the Solari cult and would never be heard from again.]]
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**** [[spoiler: Nobody said she was whipping up hurricanes for seventy years. In the game, Yamatai is located in the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Sea Devil's Sea]], a.k.a. the Dragon's Triangle, which has a big danger sign on it courtesy of the Japanese government. A little strange weather in the area isn't enough reason to risk losing ''another'' boatload of researchers to it, and anyone who disregarded that and went anyway would fall victim to Mathias and the Solari cult and would never be heard from again. End result: generations of climatologists who just don't go there and have a well-advised lack of curiosity about it. In addition, the weather on the island is so frequently stormy, even during the game, that satellite photography would be nearly useless most of the time even if you knew there was something there to photograph.]]
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* Okay, guys, seriously: Jonah's last name is "Maiava," as per the prologue comic. He's a ''huge'' dude with a tribal tattoo. He's not Hispanic. He's Samoan. Stop it.
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**** [[spoiler: Nobody said she's been raging full-force for all that time.]]
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**** [[spoiler: Nobody said she's been raging full-force she was whipping up hurricanes for all seventy years. In the game, Yamatai is located in the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devil%27s_Sea Devil's Sea]], a.k.a. the Dragon's Triangle, which has a big danger sign on it courtesy of the Japanese government. A little strange weather in the area isn't enough reason to risk losing ''another'' boatload of researchers to it, and anyone who disregarded that time.and went anyway would fall victim to Mathias and the Solari cult and would never be heard from again.]]
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**** [[spoiler: Nobody said she's been raging full-force for all that time. The typical climate on the island is cold and wet, but the truly weird weather only happens when someone tries to leave the island or does something that antagonizes Himeko, both of which are phenomena limited to people who are already on Yamatai. Since the Axis never got off the island, and no one in the subsequent decades has been able to escape, there's no reason for anyone else to be paying attention to it. Nobody knows where it is until Lara comes up with what everyone else thinks is a crackpot theory.]]
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**** [[spoiler: Nobody said she's been raging full-force for all that time. The typical climate on the island is cold and wet, but the truly weird weather only happens when someone tries to leave the island or does something that antagonizes Himeko, both of which are phenomena limited to people who are already on Yamatai. Since the Axis never got off the island, and no one in the subsequent decades has been able to escape, there's no reason for anyone else to be paying attention to it. Nobody knows where it is until Lara comes up with what everyone else thinks is a crackpot theory.]]
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*** So does that mean [[spoiler: Himiko's been throwing a ''seventy''-year tantrum since the Axis woke her up? Sure, seventy years isn't much time for an immortal spirit, but you'd think that if she's been raging full-force since the Axis intruded on her territory, that ''someone''--and by "someone," I mean ''major government-funded organizations''--would have started poking around as well, especially since we know from flashbacks set aboard ''Endurance'' that Himiko's storms show up on global weather-tracking satellites. But the weight of the evidence is that it's only been the unlucky merchant or fishing vessel (or rescue craft) that's foundered in those waters since the end of the war.]] It would have worked quite well for Franchise/IndianaJones or any other pulp adventure set in the pre-war period, but it opens up a bit of a plothole for a modern setting.
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*** So does that mean [[spoiler: Himiko's been throwing a ''seventy''-year tantrum since the Axis woke her up? Sure, seventy years isn't much time for an immortal spirit, but you'd think that if she's been raging full-force since the Axis intruded on her territory, that ''someone''--and by "someone," I mean ''major government-funded organizations''--would have started poking around as well, especially since we know from flashbacks set aboard ''Endurance'' that Himiko's storms show up on global weather-tracking satellites. But the weight of the evidence is that it's only been the unlucky merchant or fishing vessel (or rescue craft) that's foundered in those waters since the end of the war.]] It would have worked quite well for Franchise/IndianaJones or any other pulp adventure set in the pre-war period, but it opens up a bit of a plothole for a modern setting.setting.
**** [[spoiler: Nobody said she's been raging full-force for all that time. The typical climate on the island is cold and wet, but the truly weird weather only happens when someone tries to leave the island or does something that antagonizes Himeko, both of which are phenomena limited to people who are already on Yamatai. Since the Axis never got off the island, and no one in the subsequent decades has been able to escape, there's no reason for anyone else to be paying attention to it. Nobody knows where it is until Lara comes up with what everyone else thinks is a crackpot theory.]]
**** [[spoiler: Nobody said she's been raging full-force for all that time. The typical climate on the island is cold and wet, but the truly weird weather only happens when someone tries to leave the island or does something that antagonizes Himeko, both of which are phenomena limited to people who are already on Yamatai. Since the Axis never got off the island, and no one in the subsequent decades has been able to escape, there's no reason for anyone else to be paying attention to it. Nobody knows where it is until Lara comes up with what everyone else thinks is a crackpot theory.]]
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** There's a reasonably strong implication from some of the WWII-era documents that [[spoiler: Himeko's rage didn't really kick in full-bore until the Axis research teams showed up and deliberately started messing around with her. The Japanese and German soldiers both note in their dossiers that the process of setting things up on the island went off reasonably well, but then they were suddenly hip-deep in angry Stormguards and they were killed off almost to a man. It's entirely possible that before that, Himeko's anger caused the anomalous weather that drew the Axis's attention in the first place, but once they woke up the Stormguard, that's when things really started to go to hell on Yamatai.]]
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** There's a reasonably strong implication from some of the WWII-era documents that [[spoiler: Himeko's rage didn't really kick in full-bore until the Axis research teams showed up and deliberately started messing around with her. The Japanese and German soldiers both note in their dossiers that the process of setting things up on the island went off reasonably well, but then they were suddenly hip-deep in angry Stormguards and they were killed off almost to a man. It's entirely possible that before that, Himeko's anger caused the anomalous weather that drew the Axis's attention in the first place, but once they woke up the Stormguard, that's when things really started to go to hell on Yamatai.]]]]
*** So does that mean [[spoiler: Himiko's been throwing a ''seventy''-year tantrum since the Axis woke her up? Sure, seventy years isn't much time for an immortal spirit, but you'd think that if she's been raging full-force since the Axis intruded on her territory, that ''someone''--and by "someone," I mean ''major government-funded organizations''--would have started poking around as well, especially since we know from flashbacks set aboard ''Endurance'' that Himiko's storms show up on global weather-tracking satellites. But the weight of the evidence is that it's only been the unlucky merchant or fishing vessel (or rescue craft) that's foundered in those waters since the end of the war.]] It would have worked quite well for Franchise/IndianaJones or any other pulp adventure set in the pre-war period, but it opens up a bit of a plothole for a modern setting.
*** So does that mean [[spoiler: Himiko's been throwing a ''seventy''-year tantrum since the Axis woke her up? Sure, seventy years isn't much time for an immortal spirit, but you'd think that if she's been raging full-force since the Axis intruded on her territory, that ''someone''--and by "someone," I mean ''major government-funded organizations''--would have started poking around as well, especially since we know from flashbacks set aboard ''Endurance'' that Himiko's storms show up on global weather-tracking satellites. But the weight of the evidence is that it's only been the unlucky merchant or fishing vessel (or rescue craft) that's foundered in those waters since the end of the war.]] It would have worked quite well for Franchise/IndianaJones or any other pulp adventure set in the pre-war period, but it opens up a bit of a plothole for a modern setting.
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**** "Salvage" doesn't mean she's always picking up animal bones and unforged metal, then shaking them in a bag to produce a functioning assault weapon. There are enough people using ramshackle semi-automatics and hunting bows on Yamatai that Lara could readily be finding machined parts and broken rifles, then repurposing those into upgrades or brand new weapons. The "salvage" mechanic simply prevents the ''Rage'' problem where you're always carrying around a full backpack of sixteen assorted Bear Asses without the one thing you need to do something useful with them. Granted, this also implies that Lara has picked up some serious gunsmith chops on her time on the ''Endurance'', but that's not impossible.
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** One possibility is that [[spoiler: Himiko goes through periods where she's largely dormant]], which allowed time for the Japanese military to construct its base, and the German scientists to set up shop, and American reconnaissance flights to target the island for capture. Or perhaps [[spoiler: she]] ''deliberately'' allowed the troops to operate in hopes of luring others, but still, it doesn't seem to mesh with the rest of the history of the island.
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** One possibility is that [[spoiler: Himiko goes through periods where she's largely dormant]], which allowed time for the Japanese military to construct its base, and the German scientists to set up shop, and American reconnaissance flights to target the island for capture. Or perhaps [[spoiler: she]] ''deliberately'' allowed the troops to operate in hopes of luring others, but still, it doesn't seem to mesh with the rest of the history of the island.island.
** There's a reasonably strong implication from some of the WWII-era documents that [[spoiler: Himeko's rage didn't really kick in full-bore until the Axis research teams showed up and deliberately started messing around with her. The Japanese and German soldiers both note in their dossiers that the process of setting things up on the island went off reasonably well, but then they were suddenly hip-deep in angry Stormguards and they were killed off almost to a man. It's entirely possible that before that, Himeko's anger caused the anomalous weather that drew the Axis's attention in the first place, but once they woke up the Stormguard, that's when things really started to go to hell on Yamatai.]]
** There's a reasonably strong implication from some of the WWII-era documents that [[spoiler: Himeko's rage didn't really kick in full-bore until the Axis research teams showed up and deliberately started messing around with her. The Japanese and German soldiers both note in their dossiers that the process of setting things up on the island went off reasonably well, but then they were suddenly hip-deep in angry Stormguards and they were killed off almost to a man. It's entirely possible that before that, Himeko's anger caused the anomalous weather that drew the Axis's attention in the first place, but once they woke up the Stormguard, that's when things really started to go to hell on Yamatai.]]
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*** The only three weapon upgrades Lara gets where we're explicitly shown her being given a new item to replace the existing one is the Compound Bow from Jonah, the climbing axe from Roth, and [[spoiler: Lara claims one of Roth's pistols after his death to replace the Model 1911 she picked up as her first gun]]. The Recurve Bow, Competition Bow, Magnum Pistol, and all shotgun and rifle upgrades are done completely via the Bow, Pistol, Shotgun and Rifle parts you collect throughout the game. Now ''maybe'' you can handwave this by saying Lara is actually replacing her other equipment in the same way as the ones she gets via cutscene, but that still doesn't explain some of the ''very'' complex modifications she makes. Suppressors ([[HollywoodSilencer "silencer"]] is really a dirty word) are quite complicated pieces of equipment, not to mention the drum magazine she cobbles together for the shotgun and other modifications that would require complex mill work. I'm not saying ''all'' of her mods are out of the realm of possibility, but there's more than a few that go above and beyond MacGyvering.
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*** The only three weapon upgrades Lara gets where we're explicitly shown her being given a new item to replace the existing one is the Compound Bow from Jonah, the climbing axe from Roth, and [[spoiler: Lara claims one of Roth's pistols after his death to replace the Model 1911 she picked up as her first gun]]. The Recurve Bow, Competition Bow, Magnum Pistol, and all shotgun and rifle upgrades are done completely via the Bow, Pistol, Shotgun and Rifle parts you collect throughout the game. Now ''maybe'' you can handwave this by saying Lara is actually replacing her other equipment in the same way as the ones she gets via cutscene, but that still doesn't explain some of the ''very'' complex modifications she makes. Suppressors ([[HollywoodSilencer "silencer"]] is really a dirty word) are quite complicated pieces of equipment, not to mention the drum magazine she cobbles together for the shotgun and other modifications that would require complex mill work. I'm not saying ''all'' of her mods are out of the realm of possibility, but there's more than a few that go above and beyond MacGyvering.MacGyvering.
* Ok, so the storms that wreck ships or aircraft that approach the island [[spoiler: are the result of Himiko's rage at being [[SealedEvilInACan trapped in her rotting corpse]] for nearly [[AndIMustScream two-thousand years]].]] The implication is that ''any'' ships and aircraft that stray too near are sunk or brought down, and no one gets off the island again. However among the wreckage from previous inhabitants is a large and heavily fortified shore battery dating to WorldWarII ([[spoiler: the installation you enter en route to the wreck of ''Endurance'']]) with its guns still in place. This isn't a temporary sandbag structure, but a fixed-position ''concrete bunker'' designed to withstand heavy naval bombardment, high up on the cliffs with a wide field of fire out to sea. Furthermore, those are some pretty ''big'' guns. Even if you assume most of the structure relies on natural rock, there's still a ''lot'' of excavation needed that would require fairly heavy-duty equipment, and it's clear much of the finished structure is indeed made from concrete, not the local rock. Not to mention getting guns ''that'' large into position is a pretty tall order before the advent of large utility helicopters. There's other fairly heavy wartime construction (the radio tower and its command bunker I believe is implied to have dated from the same period, probably a part of the same defense system as the gun emplacement we explore during the game) on the island as well. So clearly, there ''had'' to have been a fairly reliable flow of heavy equipment and construction personnel arriving at the island to build finished structures of this sort. Additionally, if the Japanese thought this island was important enough to fortify it so heavily, its location must have been known well enough to be viewed as strategically vital. Meanwhile, the United States had to consider its ''capture'' strategically important to have actually landed Marines ([[spoiler: based on the Semper Fi artifact collection]]) on it, (the Island Hopping strategy dictated bypassing strong points such as Rabaul altogether and just pounding them into rubble from the air and sea. Peleliu, Iwo Jima, Saipan and Okinawa were targeted for capture because they were viewed as vital for advancing towards the Japanese Home Islands) which means they ''also'' must have known about it. And of course, [[spoiler: Trinity]] knew enough about the island and what could be found there that it sent an agent to investigate. For such a lost and mysterious island, there's certainly a ''lot'' of activity in its fairly recent history that would practically ''require'' people freely coming and going from the place.
** One possibility is that [[spoiler: Himiko goes through periods where she's largely dormant]], which allowed time for the Japanese military to construct its base, and the German scientists to set up shop, and American reconnaissance flights to target the island for capture. Or perhaps [[spoiler: she]] ''deliberately'' allowed the troops to operate in hopes of luring others, but still, it doesn't seem to mesh with the rest of the history of the island.
* Ok, so the storms that wreck ships or aircraft that approach the island [[spoiler: are the result of Himiko's rage at being [[SealedEvilInACan trapped in her rotting corpse]] for nearly [[AndIMustScream two-thousand years]].]] The implication is that ''any'' ships and aircraft that stray too near are sunk or brought down, and no one gets off the island again. However among the wreckage from previous inhabitants is a large and heavily fortified shore battery dating to WorldWarII ([[spoiler: the installation you enter en route to the wreck of ''Endurance'']]) with its guns still in place. This isn't a temporary sandbag structure, but a fixed-position ''concrete bunker'' designed to withstand heavy naval bombardment, high up on the cliffs with a wide field of fire out to sea. Furthermore, those are some pretty ''big'' guns. Even if you assume most of the structure relies on natural rock, there's still a ''lot'' of excavation needed that would require fairly heavy-duty equipment, and it's clear much of the finished structure is indeed made from concrete, not the local rock. Not to mention getting guns ''that'' large into position is a pretty tall order before the advent of large utility helicopters. There's other fairly heavy wartime construction (the radio tower and its command bunker I believe is implied to have dated from the same period, probably a part of the same defense system as the gun emplacement we explore during the game) on the island as well. So clearly, there ''had'' to have been a fairly reliable flow of heavy equipment and construction personnel arriving at the island to build finished structures of this sort. Additionally, if the Japanese thought this island was important enough to fortify it so heavily, its location must have been known well enough to be viewed as strategically vital. Meanwhile, the United States had to consider its ''capture'' strategically important to have actually landed Marines ([[spoiler: based on the Semper Fi artifact collection]]) on it, (the Island Hopping strategy dictated bypassing strong points such as Rabaul altogether and just pounding them into rubble from the air and sea. Peleliu, Iwo Jima, Saipan and Okinawa were targeted for capture because they were viewed as vital for advancing towards the Japanese Home Islands) which means they ''also'' must have known about it. And of course, [[spoiler: Trinity]] knew enough about the island and what could be found there that it sent an agent to investigate. For such a lost and mysterious island, there's certainly a ''lot'' of activity in its fairly recent history that would practically ''require'' people freely coming and going from the place.
** One possibility is that [[spoiler: Himiko goes through periods where she's largely dormant]], which allowed time for the Japanese military to construct its base, and the German scientists to set up shop, and American reconnaissance flights to target the island for capture. Or perhaps [[spoiler: she]] ''deliberately'' allowed the troops to operate in hopes of luring others, but still, it doesn't seem to mesh with the rest of the history of the island.
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** Nah, the whole weapon upgrade thing is easy to justify - the small upgrades (silencer, extra rounds) from spare parts are classic MacGyver -ing; however in big upgrades (wooden bow to composite to carbon fiber bow) Lara simply found a new weapon and replaced her old one - this is even shown in the cutscenes - the Hispanic big guy handed Lara a modern bow just before heading to the Endurance. Back to my complaint, I think your argument still doesn't defeat the fact that the supposed "tools" Alex went off to find are just generic wrenches and screwdrivers. It's been pointed out numerous times that the crew outside of Lara are completely TooDumbToLive but this one takes the cake. Alex is supposed to be the smart nerdy archetype character, but really you're gonna go to a partly sinking ship like 3 miles away alone in an island full of cultist mercenaries ''for generic set of wrenches and screwdriver??'' If he just turned his head around the Shipwreck beach is full of machines (lifts, cages, towers, etc) - obviously there will be something that can be used as a wrench.
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** Nah, the whole weapon upgrade thing is easy to justify - the small upgrades (silencer, extra rounds) from spare parts are classic MacGyver -ing; however in big upgrades (wooden bow to composite to carbon fiber bow) Lara simply found a new weapon and replaced her old one - this is even shown in the cutscenes - the Hispanic big guy handed Lara a modern bow just before heading to the Endurance. Back to my complaint, I think your argument still doesn't defeat the fact that the supposed "tools" Alex went off to find are just generic wrenches and screwdrivers. It's been pointed out numerous times that the crew outside of Lara are completely TooDumbToLive but this one takes the cake. Alex is supposed to be the smart nerdy archetype character, but really you're gonna go to a partly sinking ship like 3 miles away alone in an island full of cultist mercenaries ''for generic set of wrenches and screwdriver??'' If he just turned his head around the Shipwreck beach is full of machines (lifts, cages, towers, etc) - obviously there will be something that can be used as a wrench.wrench.
*** The only three weapon upgrades Lara gets where we're explicitly shown her being given a new item to replace the existing one is the Compound Bow from Jonah, the climbing axe from Roth, and [[spoiler: Lara claims one of Roth's pistols after his death to replace the Model 1911 she picked up as her first gun]]. The Recurve Bow, Competition Bow, Magnum Pistol, and all shotgun and rifle upgrades are done completely via the Bow, Pistol, Shotgun and Rifle parts you collect throughout the game. Now ''maybe'' you can handwave this by saying Lara is actually replacing her other equipment in the same way as the ones she gets via cutscene, but that still doesn't explain some of the ''very'' complex modifications she makes. Suppressors ([[HollywoodSilencer "silencer"]] is really a dirty word) are quite complicated pieces of equipment, not to mention the drum magazine she cobbles together for the shotgun and other modifications that would require complex mill work. I'm not saying ''all'' of her mods are out of the realm of possibility, but there's more than a few that go above and beyond MacGyvering.
*** The only three weapon upgrades Lara gets where we're explicitly shown her being given a new item to replace the existing one is the Compound Bow from Jonah, the climbing axe from Roth, and [[spoiler: Lara claims one of Roth's pistols after his death to replace the Model 1911 she picked up as her first gun]]. The Recurve Bow, Competition Bow, Magnum Pistol, and all shotgun and rifle upgrades are done completely via the Bow, Pistol, Shotgun and Rifle parts you collect throughout the game. Now ''maybe'' you can handwave this by saying Lara is actually replacing her other equipment in the same way as the ones she gets via cutscene, but that still doesn't explain some of the ''very'' complex modifications she makes. Suppressors ([[HollywoodSilencer "silencer"]] is really a dirty word) are quite complicated pieces of equipment, not to mention the drum magazine she cobbles together for the shotgun and other modifications that would require complex mill work. I'm not saying ''all'' of her mods are out of the realm of possibility, but there's more than a few that go above and beyond MacGyvering.
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** ''Lara'' was able to MacGyver her equipment together. Alex went off to ''Endurance'' before Lara arrived on the beach, and at this point of the game Reyes made it clear she had no faith in Lara's abilities, [[spoiler: besides being shaken by Roth's death and holding Lara responsible]], so it's not like she was going to wait around for her to show up when she believed their lives depended on getting off the island as soon as possible (remember that Reyes wasn't going to wait for Lara to return if they got the boat working before she got back from the General's tomb). There's also a question of how much Lara's equipment updates should be considered GameplayAndStorySegregation. ''Especially'' when you consider that it would mean Lara was somehow able to convert a Japanese Type-100 submachine gun into a frelling ''AK-47'' with nothing but a bunch of spare parts (seriously, look at the "Assault Rifle" base model. It's an [[AKA47 AK-47]]).
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** ''Lara'' was able to MacGyver her equipment together. Alex went off to ''Endurance'' before Lara arrived on the beach, and at this point of the game Reyes made it clear she had no faith in Lara's abilities, [[spoiler: besides being shaken by Roth's death and holding Lara responsible]], so it's not like she was going to wait around for her to show up when she believed their lives depended on getting off the island as soon as possible (remember that Reyes wasn't going to wait for Lara to return if they got the boat working before she got back from the General's tomb). There's also a question of how much Lara's equipment updates should be considered GameplayAndStorySegregation. ''Especially'' when you consider that it would mean Lara was somehow able to convert a Japanese Type-100 submachine gun into a frelling ''AK-47'' with nothing but a bunch of spare parts (seriously, look at the "Assault Rifle" base model. It's an [[AKA47 AK-47]]).AK-47]]).
** Nah, the whole weapon upgrade thing is easy to justify - the small upgrades (silencer, extra rounds) from spare parts are classic MacGyver -ing; however in big upgrades (wooden bow to composite to carbon fiber bow) Lara simply found a new weapon and replaced her old one - this is even shown in the cutscenes - the Hispanic big guy handed Lara a modern bow just before heading to the Endurance. Back to my complaint, I think your argument still doesn't defeat the fact that the supposed "tools" Alex went off to find are just generic wrenches and screwdrivers. It's been pointed out numerous times that the crew outside of Lara are completely TooDumbToLive but this one takes the cake. Alex is supposed to be the smart nerdy archetype character, but really you're gonna go to a partly sinking ship like 3 miles away alone in an island full of cultist mercenaries ''for generic set of wrenches and screwdriver??'' If he just turned his head around the Shipwreck beach is full of machines (lifts, cages, towers, etc) - obviously there will be something that can be used as a wrench.
** Nah, the whole weapon upgrade thing is easy to justify - the small upgrades (silencer, extra rounds) from spare parts are classic MacGyver -ing; however in big upgrades (wooden bow to composite to carbon fiber bow) Lara simply found a new weapon and replaced her old one - this is even shown in the cutscenes - the Hispanic big guy handed Lara a modern bow just before heading to the Endurance. Back to my complaint, I think your argument still doesn't defeat the fact that the supposed "tools" Alex went off to find are just generic wrenches and screwdrivers. It's been pointed out numerous times that the crew outside of Lara are completely TooDumbToLive but this one takes the cake. Alex is supposed to be the smart nerdy archetype character, but really you're gonna go to a partly sinking ship like 3 miles away alone in an island full of cultist mercenaries ''for generic set of wrenches and screwdriver??'' If he just turned his head around the Shipwreck beach is full of machines (lifts, cages, towers, etc) - obviously there will be something that can be used as a wrench.
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* The whole retrieving Reyes' tools from the Endurance to fix the boat is ridiculously stupid because the supposed "tools" are just generic screwdriver and wrenches. If Lara manages to MacGyver her way into having a silenced assault rifle with frag grenade launcher and bunch of other perks, for sure they could find something useful around Shantytown or the beach.
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* The whole retrieving Reyes' tools from the Endurance to fix the boat is ridiculously stupid because the supposed "tools" are just generic screwdriver and wrenches. If Lara manages to MacGyver her way into having a silenced assault rifle with frag grenade launcher and bunch of other perks, for sure they could find something useful around Shantytown or the beach.beach.
** ''Lara'' was able to MacGyver her equipment together. Alex went off to ''Endurance'' before Lara arrived on the beach, and at this point of the game Reyes made it clear she had no faith in Lara's abilities, [[spoiler: besides being shaken by Roth's death and holding Lara responsible]], so it's not like she was going to wait around for her to show up when she believed their lives depended on getting off the island as soon as possible (remember that Reyes wasn't going to wait for Lara to return if they got the boat working before she got back from the General's tomb). There's also a question of how much Lara's equipment updates should be considered GameplayAndStorySegregation. ''Especially'' when you consider that it would mean Lara was somehow able to convert a Japanese Type-100 submachine gun into a frelling ''AK-47'' with nothing but a bunch of spare parts (seriously, look at the "Assault Rifle" base model. It's an [[AKA47 AK-47]]).
** ''Lara'' was able to MacGyver her equipment together. Alex went off to ''Endurance'' before Lara arrived on the beach, and at this point of the game Reyes made it clear she had no faith in Lara's abilities, [[spoiler: besides being shaken by Roth's death and holding Lara responsible]], so it's not like she was going to wait around for her to show up when she believed their lives depended on getting off the island as soon as possible (remember that Reyes wasn't going to wait for Lara to return if they got the boat working before she got back from the General's tomb). There's also a question of how much Lara's equipment updates should be considered GameplayAndStorySegregation. ''Especially'' when you consider that it would mean Lara was somehow able to convert a Japanese Type-100 submachine gun into a frelling ''AK-47'' with nothing but a bunch of spare parts (seriously, look at the "Assault Rifle" base model. It's an [[AKA47 AK-47]]).
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** The fact it was preceded with an atrocious example of CleanPrettyReliable doesn't help matters. First he does the mouth breathing thing, which is a horrible health hazard considering they're both filthy, he doesn't lay her completely flat on her back instead letting her sprawl out to the side from the hips down, and he barely pushes on her chest at all during the compressions, does maybe three or four compressions before attempting the mouth breathing thing again, and goes for the cliche gold medal with the HowDareYouDieOnMe screams. Roth is supposed to be a survival expert who trained Lara himself, and yet he not only fails to recognize CPR wasn't called for in that situation, but goes about it in the most overwrought Hollywood Medicine style possible. All that had happened was she blacked out from the [[spoiler: helicopter crash]], one could even assume that Lara woke up on her own, and his attempts were completely needless, she would have spluttered awake just fine without the CPR. The whole scene was really badly handled, combined with the [[spoiler: HeroicSacrifice]] that followed being pointless white knighting and easily avoidable. The weight of what happened would have been a lot more effective if they simply cut the entire scene out and went directly to the other survivors finding Lara and [[spoiler: Roth dead]] without explanation, perhaps with a close up of Lara clutching his tech pistols, and we're left to wonder what exactly happened.
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** The fact it was preceded with an atrocious example of CleanPrettyReliable doesn't help matters. First he does the mouth breathing thing, which is a horrible health hazard considering they're both filthy, he doesn't lay her completely flat on her back instead letting her sprawl out to the side from the hips down, and he barely pushes on her chest at all during the compressions, does maybe three or four compressions before attempting the mouth breathing thing again, and goes for the cliche gold medal with the HowDareYouDieOnMe screams. Roth is supposed to be a survival expert who trained Lara himself, and yet he not only fails to recognize CPR wasn't called for in that situation, but goes about it in the most overwrought Hollywood Medicine style possible. All that had happened was she blacked out from the [[spoiler: helicopter crash]], one could even assume that Lara woke up on her own, and his attempts were completely needless, she would have spluttered awake just fine without the CPR. The whole scene was really badly handled, combined with the [[spoiler: HeroicSacrifice]] that followed being pointless white knighting and easily avoidable. The weight of what happened would have been a lot more effective if they simply cut the entire scene out and went directly to the other survivors finding Lara and [[spoiler: Roth dead]] without explanation, perhaps with a close up of Lara clutching his tech pistols, and we're left to wonder what exactly happened.happened.
*The whole retrieving Reyes' tools from the Endurance to fix the boat is ridiculously stupid because the supposed "tools" are just generic screwdriver and wrenches. If Lara manages to MacGyver her way into having a silenced assault rifle with frag grenade launcher and bunch of other perks, for sure they could find something useful around Shantytown or the beach.
*The whole retrieving Reyes' tools from the Endurance to fix the boat is ridiculously stupid because the supposed "tools" are just generic screwdriver and wrenches. If Lara manages to MacGyver her way into having a silenced assault rifle with frag grenade launcher and bunch of other perks, for sure they could find something useful around Shantytown or the beach.
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** That whole scene was pretty awful, considering it was preceded with an atrocious example of CleanPrettyReliable. First he does the mouth breathing thing, which is a horrible health hazard considering they're both filthy, and he barely pushes on her chest at all during the compressions, does them maybe three or four times before attempting the mouth breathing thing again, and goes for the cliche gold medal with the HowDareYouDieOnMe screams. The whole scene was really badly handled, combined with the HeroicSacrifice that followed being pointless and easily avoidable. The weight of what happened would have been a lot more effective if they simply cut the entire scene out and went directly to the other survivors finding Lara and [[spoiler: Roth dead]] without explanation, perhaps with a close up of Lara clutching his tech pistols, and we're left to wonder what exactly happened.
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** That whole scene was pretty awful, considering The fact it was preceded with an atrocious example of CleanPrettyReliable. CleanPrettyReliable doesn't help matters. First he does the mouth breathing thing, which is a horrible health hazard considering they're both filthy, he doesn't lay her completely flat on her back instead letting her sprawl out to the side from the hips down, and he barely pushes on her chest at all during the compressions, does them maybe three or four times compressions before attempting the mouth breathing thing again, and goes for the cliche gold medal with the HowDareYouDieOnMe screams. Roth is supposed to be a survival expert who trained Lara himself, and yet he not only fails to recognize CPR wasn't called for in that situation, but goes about it in the most overwrought Hollywood Medicine style possible. All that had happened was she blacked out from the [[spoiler: helicopter crash]], one could even assume that Lara woke up on her own, and his attempts were completely needless, she would have spluttered awake just fine without the CPR. The whole scene was really badly handled, combined with the HeroicSacrifice [[spoiler: HeroicSacrifice]] that followed being pointless white knighting and easily avoidable. The weight of what happened would have been a lot more effective if they simply cut the entire scene out and went directly to the other survivors finding Lara and [[spoiler: Roth dead]] without explanation, perhaps with a close up of Lara clutching his tech pistols, and we're left to wonder what exactly happened.
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* I'm not sure I want to know, but what happens if you fail the attempted rape QTE before the point where Lara gets her hands on the gun?
** He strangles you.
*** So it wasn't rape. He just wanted to strangle Lara.
**** It starts out as a very clear sexual assault attempt, but since Lara fights back he ends up killing her instead (she tries fighting back even if you fail the QTE, she just does so unsuccessfully and he kills her for it).
** He strangles you.
*** So it wasn't rape. He just wanted to strangle Lara.
**** It starts out as a very clear sexual assault attempt, but since Lara fights back he ends up killing her instead (she tries fighting back even if you fail the QTE, she just does so unsuccessfully and he kills her for it).
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* Why didn't Roth just [[spoiler:drop himself and Lara to the ground when he saw Mathias throwing the axe]]? He was [[spoiler:barely holding them both up]], it's not like it would have taken much effort to [[spoiler:just ''fall down'']], and he still could have [[spoiler:fired his pistol from there. And probably a lot more accurately, too, seeing as how he wouldn't have had an ''axe embedded in his spine'']]. Yes, yes, RuleOfDrama, but ''still''.
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*** All of the survivors aside from Lara and Sam seems to have a clinical case of TooDumbToLive. If they're not making ''pointless'' HeroicSacrifices that could have easily been avoided, they're sitting around complaining and brushing off everything Lara has to say despite the fact she's the only one who seems to be able to take care of herself.
* Why didn't Roth just [[spoiler:drop himself and Lara to the ground when he saw Mathias throwing the axe]]? He was [[spoiler:barely holding them both up]], it's not like it would have taken much effort to [[spoiler:just ''fall down'']], and he still could have [[spoiler:fired his pistol from there. And probably a lot more accurately, too, seeing as how he wouldn't have had an ''axe embedded in his spine'']]. Yes, yes, RuleOfDrama, but''still''.''still''.
**That whole scene was pretty awful, considering it was preceded with an atrocious example of CleanPrettyReliable. First he does the mouth breathing thing, which is a horrible health hazard considering they're both filthy, and he barely pushes on her chest at all during the compressions, does them maybe three or four times before attempting the mouth breathing thing again, and goes for the cliche gold medal with the HowDareYouDieOnMe screams. The whole scene was really badly handled, combined with the HeroicSacrifice that followed being pointless and easily avoidable. The weight of what happened would have been a lot more effective if they simply cut the entire scene out and went directly to the other survivors finding Lara and [[spoiler: Roth dead]] without explanation, perhaps with a close up of Lara clutching his tech pistols, and we're left to wonder what exactly happened.
* Why didn't Roth just [[spoiler:drop himself and Lara to the ground when he saw Mathias throwing the axe]]? He was [[spoiler:barely holding them both up]], it's not like it would have taken much effort to [[spoiler:just ''fall down'']], and he still could have [[spoiler:fired his pistol from there. And probably a lot more accurately, too, seeing as how he wouldn't have had an ''axe embedded in his spine'']]. Yes, yes, RuleOfDrama, but
**That whole scene was pretty awful, considering it was preceded with an atrocious example of CleanPrettyReliable. First he does the mouth breathing thing, which is a horrible health hazard considering they're both filthy, and he barely pushes on her chest at all during the compressions, does them maybe three or four times before attempting the mouth breathing thing again, and goes for the cliche gold medal with the HowDareYouDieOnMe screams. The whole scene was really badly handled, combined with the HeroicSacrifice that followed being pointless and easily avoidable. The weight of what happened would have been a lot more effective if they simply cut the entire scene out and went directly to the other survivors finding Lara and [[spoiler: Roth dead]] without explanation, perhaps with a close up of Lara clutching his tech pistols, and we're left to wonder what exactly happened.
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* Why didn't Roth just [[spoiler:drop himself and Lara to the ground when he saw Mathias throwing the axe]]? He was [[spoiler:barely holding them both up]], it's not like it would have taken much effort to [[spoiler:just ''fall down'']], and he still could have [[spoiler:fired his pistol from there. And probably a lot more accurately, too, seeing as how he wouldn't had an ''axe embedded in his spine'']]. Yes, yes, RuleOfDrama, but ''still''.
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* Why didn't Roth just [[spoiler:drop himself and Lara to the ground when he saw Mathias throwing the axe]]? He was [[spoiler:barely holding them both up]], it's not like it would have taken much effort to [[spoiler:just ''fall down'']], and he still could have [[spoiler:fired his pistol from there. And probably a lot more accurately, too, seeing as how he wouldn't have had an ''axe embedded in his spine'']]. Yes, yes, RuleOfDrama, but ''still''.
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* Why the ''hell'' did Reyes [[spoiler:let Alex go off alone? He's a NonActionGuy. He has a ''pistol''. The group ''knows'' that the island is crawling with Solarii, and that chances are the ship is going to be, too. No one should be going ''anywhere'' alone if they can help it. And yet when Lara essentially points this out, Reyes brushes it off by saying that Alex can take care of himself, leaving Lara to run after him. This is made even worse by that fact that if Lara hadn't gone to find him, the tools wouldn't have been retrieved and they would never have been able to fix the boat. Reyes allowed a NonActionGuy, alone, armed with a single pistol, to go retrieve what could possibly be their only hope at getting off of the island]]. ''WHY?''
** Made even more frustrating when [[spoiler:Reyes passive-aggressively blames Lara for Alex's death.]]
** Made even more frustrating when [[spoiler:Reyes passive-aggressively blames Lara for Alex's death.]]
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* Why the ''hell'' did Reyes [[spoiler:let Alex go off alone? He's a NonActionGuy. He has a ''pistol''. The group ''knows'' that the island is crawling with Solarii, and that chances are the ship is going to be, too. No one should be going ''anywhere'' alone if they can help it. And yet when Lara essentially points this out, Reyes brushes it off by saying that Alex can take care of himself, leaving Lara to run after him. This is made even worse by that the fact that if Lara hadn't gone to find him, the tools wouldn't have been retrieved and they would never have been able to fix the boat. Reyes allowed a NonActionGuy, alone, armed with a single pistol, to go retrieve what could possibly be their only hope at getting off of the island]]. ''WHY?''
** Made even more frustrating when [[spoiler:Reyes passive-aggressively blames Lara for Alex'sdeath.]]death]].
* Why didn't Roth just [[spoiler:drop himself and Lara to the ground when he saw Mathias throwing the axe]]? He was [[spoiler:barely holding them both up]], it's not like it would have taken much effort to [[spoiler:just ''fall down'']], and he still could have [[spoiler:fired his pistol from there. And probably a lot more accurately, too, seeing as how he wouldn't had an ''axe embedded in his spine'']]. Yes, yes, RuleOfDrama, but ''still''.
** Made even more frustrating when [[spoiler:Reyes passive-aggressively blames Lara for Alex's
* Why didn't Roth just [[spoiler:drop himself and Lara to the ground when he saw Mathias throwing the axe]]? He was [[spoiler:barely holding them both up]], it's not like it would have taken much effort to [[spoiler:just ''fall down'']], and he still could have [[spoiler:fired his pistol from there. And probably a lot more accurately, too, seeing as how he wouldn't had an ''axe embedded in his spine'']]. Yes, yes, RuleOfDrama, but ''still''.
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* Why the ''hell'' did Reyes [[spoiler:let Alex go off alone? He's a NonActionGuy. He has a ''pistol''. The group ''knows'' that the island is crawling with Solarii, and that chances are the ship is going to be, too. No one should be going ''anywhere'' alone if they can help it. And yet when Lara essentially points this out, Reyes brushes it off by saying that Alex can take care of himself, leaving Lara to run after him. This is made even worse by that fact that if Lara hadn't gone to find him, the tools wouldn't have been retrieved and they would never have been able to fix the boat. Reyes allowed a NonActionGuy, alone, armed with a single pistol, to go retrieve what could possibly be their only hope at getting off of the island]]. ''WHY?''
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* Why the ''hell'' did Reyes [[spoiler:let Alex go off alone? He's a NonActionGuy. He has a ''pistol''. The group ''knows'' that the island is crawling with Solarii, and that chances are the ship is going to be, too. No one should be going ''anywhere'' alone if they can help it. And yet when Lara essentially points this out, Reyes brushes it off by saying that Alex can take care of himself, leaving Lara to run after him. This is made even worse by that fact that if Lara hadn't gone to find him, the tools wouldn't have been retrieved and they would never have been able to fix the boat. Reyes allowed a NonActionGuy, alone, armed with a single pistol, to go retrieve what could possibly be their only hope at getting off of the island]]. ''WHY?''''WHY?''
** Made even more frustrating when [[spoiler:Reyes passive-aggressively blames Lara for Alex's death.]]
** Made even more frustrating when [[spoiler:Reyes passive-aggressively blames Lara for Alex's death.]]
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**** It starts out as a very clear sexual assault attempt, but since Lara fights back he ends up killing her instead (she tries fighting back even if you fail the QTE, she just does so unsuccessfully and he kills her for it).
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**** It starts out as a very clear sexual assault attempt, but since Lara fights back he ends up killing her instead (she tries fighting back even if you fail the QTE, she just does so unsuccessfully and he kills her for it).it).
* Why the ''hell'' did Reyes [[spoiler:let Alex go off alone? He's a NonActionGuy. He has a ''pistol''. The group ''knows'' that the island is crawling with Solarii, and that chances are the ship is going to be, too. No one should be going ''anywhere'' alone if they can help it. And yet when Lara essentially points this out, Reyes brushes it off by saying that Alex can take care of himself, leaving Lara to run after him. This is made even worse by that fact that if Lara hadn't gone to find him, the tools wouldn't have been retrieved and they would never have been able to fix the boat. Reyes allowed a NonActionGuy, alone, armed with a single pistol, to go retrieve what could possibly be their only hope at getting off of the island]]. ''WHY?''
* Why the ''hell'' did Reyes [[spoiler:let Alex go off alone? He's a NonActionGuy. He has a ''pistol''. The group ''knows'' that the island is crawling with Solarii, and that chances are the ship is going to be, too. No one should be going ''anywhere'' alone if they can help it. And yet when Lara essentially points this out, Reyes brushes it off by saying that Alex can take care of himself, leaving Lara to run after him. This is made even worse by that fact that if Lara hadn't gone to find him, the tools wouldn't have been retrieved and they would never have been able to fix the boat. Reyes allowed a NonActionGuy, alone, armed with a single pistol, to go retrieve what could possibly be their only hope at getting off of the island]]. ''WHY?''
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*** So it wasn't rape. He just wanted to strangle Lara.
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*** So it wasn't rape. He just wanted to strangle Lara.Lara.
**** It starts out as a very clear sexual assault attempt, but since Lara fights back he ends up killing her instead (she tries fighting back even if you fail the QTE, she just does so unsuccessfully and he kills her for it).
**** It starts out as a very clear sexual assault attempt, but since Lara fights back he ends up killing her instead (she tries fighting back even if you fail the QTE, she just does so unsuccessfully and he kills her for it).
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*** So it wasn't sexual assault. He just wanted to strangle Lara. This is after she knees him, I assume.
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*** So it wasn't sexual assault.rape. He just wanted to strangle Lara. This is after she knees him, I assume.
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** He strangles you.
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** He strangles you.you.
*** So it wasn't sexual assault. He just wanted to strangle Lara. This is after she knees him, I assume.
*** So it wasn't sexual assault. He just wanted to strangle Lara. This is after she knees him, I assume.
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* I'm not sure I want to know, but what happens if you fail the attempted rape QTE before the point where Lara gets her hands on the gun?
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* I'm not sure I want to know, but what happens if you fail the attempted rape QTE before the point where Lara gets her hands on the gun?gun?
** He strangles you.
** He strangles you.
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