History Headscratchers / TheWorldEndsWithYou

12th Jun '17 3:36:40 AM SoItBegins
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** Hanekoma's primarily in the Another Day universe to recover main game Joshua - but he's probably checking the spiritual health of Another Day Shibuya while he's there (with the Noise symbol indicating the presence of Noise). Given that the Another Day Noise are of ''particular'' strength compared to those in main game Shibuya— and Noise can demonstrably possess people and cause trouble if left unattended— there's some reason to be concerned.




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** They probably decided to leave that to avoid confusion. The purpose of the entry fee is to make the Player reevaluate their life, not confuse the heck out of them.




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** It's mentioned in the Secret Reports - an erased person's Soul stays dispersed until reformed (into some form, not just Noise - the Composer performs resurrection by putting the Soul back into its original form), or eaten by wandering Noise.
9th Mar '17 11:43:20 AM leoryff
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** Can't recall when this is mentioned in game, but when someone is erased in the UG, their "essence" (can't remember if it has an actual name either) or whatever their bodies are made of is broken up and dispersed into the UG. This essence stays like that until it is usually reformed into Noise, either by accident or by a Reaper. This is also how Beat was able to save Rhyme. He gathered up her essence before it could disperse too far away and made a Noise pin that contained all of Rhyme's essence.
24th Jan '17 7:53:51 AM Monsicorn
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* The Progfox blue boss Noise is also the only Noise that has been seen to capable of performing a Fusion-like attack. (Uzuki and Kariya are also shown to be capable of doing this when they are under the influence of the Red Skull Pins in W3D4, but they are implied to have a similar relationship with each other that Neku has to his partners. Plus they're Reapers, not Noise) The Progfox is only one entity, how could it possibly have gained this ability?
10th Sep '16 11:07:46 PM WillBGood
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** Considering he taught Minamimoto how to make a Taboo Noise refinery sigil and sent him out to ''kill the Composer'', created the {{Instrumentality}} pins, and indirectly causing the Erasure of ''at least'' a few dozen Reapers, saving one pair of Players seems kind of minor.

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** Considering he taught Minamimoto how to make a Taboo Noise refinery sigil and sent him out to ''kill the Composer'', created the {{Instrumentality}} Instrumentality pins, and indirectly causing the Erasure of ''at least'' a few dozen Reapers, saving one pair of Players seems kind of minor.



** The part about Neku giving up on himself seemed to be in response to Neku having an OhCrap and losing hope in the face of Sho's Level ''i'' Flare. His losing in that case would have meant that Shiki would never return to the real world, and as is later revealed, would have enabled Kitaniji to proceed with {{Instrumentality}} (Neku might have been playing into Joshua's hands all along, but letting Kitaniji get away with that was never an option). In this case, Neku's survival and the survival of others are intertwined, and Neku's CharacterDevelopment happens as he starts fighting for others besides himself.

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** The part about Neku giving up on himself seemed to be in response to Neku having an OhCrap and losing hope in the face of Sho's Level ''i'' Flare. His losing in that case would have meant that Shiki would never return to the real world, and as is later revealed, would have enabled Kitaniji to proceed with {{Instrumentality}} Instrumentality (Neku might have been playing into Joshua's hands all along, but letting Kitaniji get away with that was never an option). In this case, Neku's survival and the survival of others are intertwined, and Neku's CharacterDevelopment happens as he starts fighting for others besides himself.
10th Sep '16 11:07:14 PM WillBGood
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** You can see her being affected by {{Instrumentality}} at some point, IIRC.

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** You can see her being affected by {{Instrumentality}} the AssimilationPlot at some point, IIRC.
10th Sep '16 11:06:15 PM WillBGood
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* {{Instrumentality}} seems to happen gradually, and one of the Secret Reports seems to suggest that this is because it takes a while for everyone to get Red Skull pins. How does the rest of the population get them if anyone they could possibly buy them from is busy standing in one place and talking in red text? For that matter, why does nobody else notice? When you scan the remaining people, they have normal thoughts. Is that guy so distracted by that girl's outfit that he doesn't notice her glowing red eyes? Is the post about "princess training" on Princess K's blog really stranger than the 500 posts about shining a light of true redemption? And the one that notices you reading their mind and is paranoid about mind control has no excuse.

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* {{Instrumentality}} The AssimilationPlot seems to happen gradually, and one of the Secret Reports seems to suggest that this is because it takes a while for everyone to get Red Skull pins. How does the rest of the population get them if anyone they could possibly buy them from is busy standing in one place and talking in red text? For that matter, why does nobody else notice? When you scan the remaining people, they have normal thoughts. Is that guy so distracted by that girl's outfit that he doesn't notice her glowing red eyes? Is the post about "princess training" on Princess K's blog really stranger than the 500 posts about shining a light of true redemption? And the one that notices you reading their mind and is paranoid about mind control has no excuse.
19th Jun '16 6:40:57 PM billybobfred
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14th May '16 2:30:26 PM Etagirl
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[[folder:What happens when you get erased?]]

*I apologize if this has been asked previously but I did not see anyone else mention it. What exactly happens to players and Reapers when they get erased? Do they get literally erased from existence, like their souls don't exist anymore? Or is getting erased more like permanent death, where they don't have the chance to come back to life anymore and their souls go to the afterlife or get reborn or whatever you believe happens after you die?


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17th Nov '15 2:07:43 PM Kolemegil
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**In the final showdown between Neku and Joshua and the duel was actually a test of trust, as Joshua reminds Neku to consider what Mr. Hanekoma told him - to trust one's partner. Neku says afterward that may not be able to forgive Joshua, but he does trust him. If he had pulled the trigger, killing Joshua, he would have probably been Shibuya's doom as its Composer. Instead he let Joshua win, and Joshua repaid his trust.
15th Oct '15 5:57:00 PM Discar
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** One of the secret reports explains this. [[spoiler:When Players fight the Noise, they're transported to the Noise dimension, which is close to the UG and RG, but is not the same. The objects in the Noise dimension ''just aren't there in the RG''.]]

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** One of the secret reports explains this. [[spoiler:When When Players fight the Noise, they're transported to the Noise dimension, which is close to the UG and RG, but is not the same. The objects in the Noise dimension ''just aren't there in the RG''.]]
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* Discussion: Shiki Misaki's Voice, Anna Hachimine and Heather Hogan, Is it [[spoiler:her Voice or Eri's Voice?]]
** Interesting... so basically, [[spoiler:the question is, did just take Eri's ''appearance'', or her ''whole body'', respiritory system and vocal cords and all?]] [[MST3KMantra This is probably a lot deeper than most of the developers were thinking]], [[MoffsLaw but it's still interesting to think about.]]

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* Discussion: Shiki Misaki's Voice, Anna Hachimine and Heather Hogan, Is it [[spoiler:her her Voice or Eri's Voice?]]
Voice?
** Interesting... so basically, [[spoiler:the the question is, did just take Eri's ''appearance'', or her ''whole body'', respiritory system and vocal cords and all?]] all? [[MST3KMantra This is probably a lot deeper than most of the developers were thinking]], [[MoffsLaw but it's still interesting to think about.]]



* Why don't any of the kids' parents or friends notice them spontaneously [[spoiler:coming back from the dead]]?
** Maybe [[spoiler: the body of someone in the Game is in the hospital, unconscious, in critical condition for the duration of their Game? If they win, they have a miraculous recovery; if they lose, the doctors give the "we've done all we can, but I'm afraid we've lost them" speech]].
** [[spoiler: This is disproved by Eri in Day 6 when she was talking about Shiki's death.]]
** The Secret Reports imply that Shibuya was reset to an 'ideal alternate universe' after the Game ended, so the surviving Players were probably returned to a world where [[spoiler:they never died]].
** Also, the Reports state that [[spoiler: winners choosing to reincarnate instead of becoming reapers or angels was uncommon, and only the strongest ones get to choose. Those with normal or lower levels of imagination face erasure even after winning the game.]]

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* Why don't any of the kids' parents or friends notice them spontaneously [[spoiler:coming coming back from the dead]]?
dead?
** Maybe [[spoiler: the body of someone in the Game is in the hospital, unconscious, in critical condition for the duration of their Game? If they win, they have a miraculous recovery; if they lose, the doctors give the "we've done all we can, but I'm afraid we've lost them" speech]].
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** [[spoiler: This is disproved by Eri in Day 6 when she was talking about Shiki's death.]]
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** The Secret Reports imply that Shibuya was reset to an 'ideal alternate universe' after the Game ended, so the surviving Players were probably returned to a world where [[spoiler:they they never died]].
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** Also, the Reports state that [[spoiler: winners choosing to reincarnate instead of becoming reapers or angels was uncommon, and only the strongest ones get to choose. Those with normal or lower levels of imagination face erasure even after winning the game.]]
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** There's evidence in the game that points to [[spoiler:the Composer being able to pretty much rewrite reality as is needed in order to satisfy a player's victory in the game. Going by that, reality would probably just be changed]] such that X never died, but the people who died because of X's death died for a reason unrelated to X. I suppose they (those who died because of X) would all just have to play the Game as well, and if they got out, [[spoiler:reality would have to be revised even MORE]], but that's all technicality, really. After all, Neku's and Shiki's deaths weren't their fault in any way, but they still had to play the Game.

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** There's evidence in the game that points to [[spoiler:the the Composer being able to pretty much rewrite reality as is needed in order to satisfy a player's victory in the game. Going by that, reality would probably just be changed]] changed such that X never died, but the people who died because of X's death died for a reason unrelated to X. I suppose they (those who died because of X) would all just have to play the Game as well, and if they got out, [[spoiler:reality reality would have to be revised even MORE]], MORE, but that's all technicality, really. After all, Neku's and Shiki's deaths weren't their fault in any way, but they still had to play the Game.



** Well, ultimately, [[spoiler:The Angels ''want'' Players to have an equal chance of beating the Reapers, as this will weed out both sides of those who don't have "Imagination."]] I imagine Mr. Hanekoma somehow got the message out to Shiki and others who found out the rules of the Game before actually playing. The problem is ''this'' current Game has a lot of cheaters, so it's really not typical.

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** Well, ultimately, [[spoiler:The The Angels ''want'' Players to have an equal chance of beating the Reapers, as this will weed out both sides of those who don't have "Imagination."]] " I imagine Mr. Hanekoma somehow got the message out to Shiki and others who found out the rules of the Game before actually playing. The problem is ''this'' current Game has a lot of cheaters, so it's really not typical.



** Beat and Rhyme had no idea why they didn't die when they [[spoiler:failed to make it to 104 on the first day]].

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** Beat and Rhyme had no idea why they didn't die when they [[spoiler:failed failed to make it to 104 on the first day]].day.



** Okay, this is all speculation on my part, but this is the interpretation I have: [[spoiler:Joshua decided not to destroy Shibuya because Neku showed him a different way of looking at people, that there was something worth saving. It wasn't just Neku refusing to shoot - it was everything they'd gone through, the talks about humanity they'd had, the way they'd both grown. Neku's speech at the end to Joshua should show how much Joshua meant to him by that point, and even if Joshua would never admit it, I think the feeling is mutual. I mean, not only did Joshua not destroy Shibuya, but he fixes it so well that the angels consider it an ideal game. That really says something about how much he changed. I don't think Neku ended up in one last game, but rather that it might have taken everyone a week to get reoriented in the RG, get everything straight in their heads, and actually all manage to meet up. I assume they called/texted each other in the meantime and met up at the first reasonable opportunity. The one thing I'm not sure on is Neku's last entrance fee - I have a couple theories as to what Joshua took from him for the gun duel (if anything at all; Joshua's not known for his straightforward, honest nature), but nothing supported by canon outside of seeming in character for Joshua.]]
** I assumed that Neku did go through [[spoiler:one last game, but only because of his massive [[BigNo "What... the HELL?!"]]]].

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** Okay, this is all speculation on my part, but this is the interpretation I have: [[spoiler:Joshua Joshua decided not to destroy Shibuya because Neku showed him a different way of looking at people, that there was something worth saving. It wasn't just Neku refusing to shoot - it was everything they'd gone through, the talks about humanity they'd had, the way they'd both grown. Neku's speech at the end to Joshua should show how much Joshua meant to him by that point, and even if Joshua would never admit it, I think the feeling is mutual. I mean, not only did Joshua not destroy Shibuya, but he fixes it so well that the angels consider it an ideal game. That really says something about how much he changed. I don't think Neku ended up in one last game, but rather that it might have taken everyone a week to get reoriented in the RG, get everything straight in their heads, and actually all manage to meet up. I assume they called/texted each other in the meantime and met up at the first reasonable opportunity. The one thing I'm not sure on is Neku's last entrance fee - I have a couple theories as to what Joshua took from him for the gun duel (if anything at all; Joshua's not known for his straightforward, honest nature), but nothing supported by canon outside of seeming in character for Joshua.]]
Joshua.
** I assumed that Neku did go through [[spoiler:one one last game, but only because of his massive [[BigNo "What... the HELL?!"]]]].HELL?!"]].



** I'm pretty sure [[spoiler:the game "One last game" Neku was nonstandard and had a different length from normal (rather like Kitaniji's), with the length being that of the gun duel. Neku's last entrance fee was probably something like the possibility of failure (Which qualifies for being a fee be virtue of being the most important thing on his mind at the moment, if only in a negative way). After all, whether he shot or not, Shibuya wasn't going to get erased. Joshua just stages the entire thing because he enjoys screwing with Neku]].
** Bear in mind that I'm still working my way through the secret reports, but from what I've been told the Composer chose Neku for two reasons: his high level of Imagination, and the fact that if the worst, most withdrawn person in Shibuya could change, then maybe the rest of Shibuya could change as well. (The Composer's problem with Shibuya was that people were isolating themselves from one another; [[spoiler:Kitaniji attempted to fix this by having everyone share the same thought]].) Neku went from being perfectly willing to kill another person if it would benefit him (Shiki, Day 2) to [[spoiler:being unable to kill the Composer- the man who murdered him- even if it would save his own life ''and'' give him unparalleled power over Shibuya]]. To answer your last question: in the final scene, Neku wakes up in [[spoiler:Realground Shibuya. And meets his friends seven days later, probably not for the first time since they returned to the Realground]]. It's as simple as that.

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** I'm pretty sure [[spoiler:the the game "One last game" Neku was nonstandard and had a different length from normal (rather like Kitaniji's), with the length being that of the gun duel. Neku's last entrance fee was probably something like the possibility of failure (Which qualifies for being a fee be virtue of being the most important thing on his mind at the moment, if only in a negative way). After all, whether he shot or not, Shibuya wasn't going to get erased. Joshua just stages the entire thing because he enjoys screwing with Neku]].
Neku.
** Bear in mind that I'm still working my way through the secret reports, but from what I've been told the Composer chose Neku for two reasons: his high level of Imagination, and the fact that if the worst, most withdrawn person in Shibuya could change, then maybe the rest of Shibuya could change as well. (The Composer's problem with Shibuya was that people were isolating themselves from one another; [[spoiler:Kitaniji Kitaniji attempted to fix this by having everyone share the same thought]].thought.) Neku went from being perfectly willing to kill another person if it would benefit him (Shiki, Day 2) to [[spoiler:being being unable to kill the Composer- the man who murdered him- even if it would save his own life ''and'' give him unparalleled power over Shibuya]]. Shibuya. To answer your last question: in the final scene, Neku wakes up in [[spoiler:Realground Realground Shibuya. And meets his friends seven days later, probably not for the first time since they returned to the Realground]].Realground. It's as simple as that.



* On the topic of the ending, during the TheStinger, [[spoiler: why is Joshua sad and/or angry while he's watching Neku and the gang at Hachiko? ]]
** The Japanese version of the scene may provide the answer to that: [[spoiler:the word Hanekoma uses for "down" is "samishisou." He says that Josh appears to be ''lonely''. Seems to me that he wants to join Neku & crew]].
** What about Hanekoma's line [[spoiler: "* sigh* Some folks just don't take no for an answer"? Is he merely muttering that Joshua can't outright admit that he was going to literally KillEmAll, and is feeling regretful]]?
** I got the impression that [[spoiler: the line "Hey, it's their world; they get to decide what to do with it. We just--" was supposed to be some sort of subtle admonition, either against general interference with the RG or against joining everyone, as above, which Joshua decides to ignore, somewhat less subtlely. Hanekoma's final line acknowledges this outright disobedience, but he doesn't seem too bothered by it]].
** [[spoiler: I would agree. "We just observe" is probably his words, and Joshua cuts him off not wishing to listen to just that. Though the first part really sounds relative to jacking Shibuya. Maybe he would want them stay in UG and without Shibuya, and if not - at least join the fun.]]

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* On the topic of the ending, during the TheStinger, [[spoiler: why is Joshua sad and/or angry while he's watching Neku and the gang at Hachiko? ]]
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** The Japanese version of the scene may provide the answer to that: [[spoiler:the the word Hanekoma uses for "down" is "samishisou." He says that Josh appears to be ''lonely''. Seems to me that he wants to join Neku & crew]].
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** What about Hanekoma's line [[spoiler: "* sigh* Some folks just don't take no for an answer"? Is he merely muttering that Joshua can't outright admit that he was going to literally KillEmAll, and is feeling regretful]]?
regretful?
** I got the impression that [[spoiler: the line "Hey, it's their world; they get to decide what to do with it. We just--" was supposed to be some sort of subtle admonition, either against general interference with the RG or against joining everyone, as above, which Joshua decides to ignore, somewhat less subtlely. Hanekoma's final line acknowledges this outright disobedience, but he doesn't seem too bothered by it]].
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** [[spoiler: I would agree. "We just observe" is probably his words, and Joshua cuts him off not wishing to listen to just that. Though the first part really sounds relative to jacking Shibuya. Maybe he would want them stay in UG and without Shibuya, and if not - at least join the fun.]]
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** [[spoiler:"It is infeasible for the Composer to judge all of humanity by himself, so a filtering system utilizing the Reapers was created (...)"]] seems to imply that [[spoiler:everyone goes through the game and only the most talented ones get to be judged by the composer.]] However, at the same time, the thought of having old people and childs/babies also playing is absurd. Most likely, out of all the deaths happening in Shibuya in one week, only teens/young adults with a minimum level of imagination get to play. If the number of fit people isn't enough, there's no game on that week (if those who don't get to play are queued for the next game or lose their chance, is not explained).

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** [[spoiler:"It "It is infeasible for the Composer to judge all of humanity by himself, so a filtering system utilizing the Reapers was created (...)"]] )" seems to imply that [[spoiler:everyone everyone goes through the game and only the most talented ones get to be judged by the composer.]] composer. However, at the same time, the thought of having old people and childs/babies also playing is absurd. Most likely, out of all the deaths happening in Shibuya in one week, only teens/young adults with a minimum level of imagination get to play. If the number of fit people isn't enough, there's no game on that week (if those who don't get to play are queued for the next game or lose their chance, is not explained).



* Is the whole entry fee deal really worth it? You get it back if you win. You lose considerably more than the fee if you lose. It's non-negotiable. Two of Neku's fees made it nearly impossible for him to ''play'' the game, let alone ''win''. And while the secret reports suggest that they are a deliberate attempt to enrich the players' lives by forcing them to face life without that which was most important to them, does this really matter to the Reapers when they pride themselves on a near-100% Player elimination rate? ([[spoiler:Indeed, the only people to win the game at any point in the story are those who were directly aided by the Composer or Producer. Even ''before'' people started cheating.]])

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* Is the whole entry fee deal really worth it? You get it back if you win. You lose considerably more than the fee if you lose. It's non-negotiable. Two of Neku's fees made it nearly impossible for him to ''play'' the game, let alone ''win''. And while the secret reports suggest that they are a deliberate attempt to enrich the players' lives by forcing them to face life without that which was most important to them, does this really matter to the Reapers when they pride themselves on a near-100% Player elimination rate? ([[spoiler:Indeed, (Indeed, the only people to win the game at any point in the story are those who were directly aided by the Composer or Producer. Even ''before'' people started cheating.]]))



** It was my impression in Neku's case, Megumi deliberately rigs what he took from him. He had to take [[spoiler:Shiki]] as Neku's second entry fee because [[spoiler:he had to conceal the Composer's absence from the game, since the Composer is the only one able to resurrect people]]. By the third week, Megumi has figured out that [[spoiler:Neku is the Composer's proxy]] and so takes [[spoiler:everyone else]] as Neku's entrance fee so he can [[spoiler:defeat the Composer]] easily.
** I always assumed that the entry fee was a test: to prove you can live (so to speak) through the Game without the thing you care for the most then you are worthy of, and [[spoiler: be brought back to life]]. "Is it worth it?" might not be the best question, rather "Is it fair?" If you refuse to pay it, you cannot play the Game and so you die. It's obviously not fair on the initial outlook, but the point to the Game is to try and [[spoiler: give another chance to life to those who deserve it]], if anyone was let in without weeding out the strong minded, the Composer would probably have a load of executed murduers to deal with post-Game. (Okay bad example.)

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** It was my impression in Neku's case, Megumi deliberately rigs what he took from him. He had to take [[spoiler:Shiki]] Shiki as Neku's second entry fee because [[spoiler:he he had to conceal the Composer's absence from the game, since the Composer is the only one able to resurrect people]]. people. By the third week, Megumi has figured out that [[spoiler:Neku Neku is the Composer's proxy]] proxy and so takes [[spoiler:everyone else]] everyone else as Neku's entrance fee so he can [[spoiler:defeat defeat the Composer]] Composer easily.
** I always assumed that the entry fee was a test: to prove you can live (so to speak) through the Game without the thing you care for the most then you are worthy of, and [[spoiler: be brought back to life]].life. "Is it worth it?" might not be the best question, rather "Is it fair?" If you refuse to pay it, you cannot play the Game and so you die. It's obviously not fair on the initial outlook, but the point to the Game is to try and [[spoiler: give another chance to life to those who deserve it]], it, if anyone was let in without weeding out the strong minded, the Composer would probably have a load of executed murduers to deal with post-Game. (Okay bad example.)



** Leading on, do Reapers have entry fees? As an ex-player [[spoiler:Beat]] may have retained his entry fee, but this may not be a good example because [[spoiler:with Rhyme being dead, it's impossible to tell if his fee was returned, or even taken away again in Week 3]].
** I recall reading in- game that Beat's first-week fee, [[spoiler:Rhyme's memories of him]], were lost forever when he wasn't able to successfully complete the final mission of the week (even though he should have been counted as victorious, due to the "all Players share victory or defeat" clause). In the third week, his entry fee was [[spoiler:The pin containing Rhyme's soul in Noise form]], definitely different from his first fee. Of course, his third-week fee was only taken once he gave up his Reaper status to be Neku's partner, so it doesn't really answer the question...
** Didn't he get that entry fee back? I thought the entry fee that everyone said was lost was [[spoiler:Rhyme's aspirations for the future, as she didn't win that week]].
** Beat got his entry fee back [[spoiler:- Rhyme's memories - ]]but Rhyme lost hers since she, technically lost. Beat "won" the last week.
** Secret Report 17 states that the Composer thought up the idea of entry fees to make the players reexamine how crucial those things are so that hopefully, by the end of the Game, Players will be able to take that knowledge and go on with a fresh outlook on life. The entry fees we know of were [[spoiler: the memories that turned Neku into a misanthropist, leading him to realise that you need to open up to people]], [[spoiler: Shiki's real looks, so that she realised that she didn't have to be jealous of Eri because she was a good person on her own]], [[spoiler: Shiki herself, who was the first person in a long time Neku cared about]], [[spoiler: Rhyme's memories of Beat, making him realise that he depended on her too much, since he breaks down when she's gone]] and [[spoiler: all the other players in the game, helping Neku figure out that by this point, he officially can't just close himself off to the world]]. I'd say tht sounds about right with what the Secret Report says, [[spoiler: even if some creative thought was applied with the people as entry fees by Kitaniji]].

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** Leading on, do Reapers have entry fees? As an ex-player [[spoiler:Beat]] Beat may have retained his entry fee, but this may not be a good example because [[spoiler:with with Rhyme being dead, it's impossible to tell if his fee was returned, or even taken away again in Week 3]].
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** I recall reading in- game that Beat's first-week fee, [[spoiler:Rhyme's Rhyme's memories of him]], him, were lost forever when he wasn't able to successfully complete the final mission of the week (even though he should have been counted as victorious, due to the "all Players share victory or defeat" clause). In the third week, his entry fee was [[spoiler:The The pin containing Rhyme's soul in Noise form]], form, definitely different from his first fee. Of course, his third-week fee was only taken once he gave up his Reaper status to be Neku's partner, so it doesn't really answer the question...
** Didn't he get that entry fee back? I thought the entry fee that everyone said was lost was [[spoiler:Rhyme's Rhyme's aspirations for the future, as she didn't win that week]].
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** Beat got his entry fee back [[spoiler:- - Rhyme's memories - ]]but but Rhyme lost hers since she, technically lost. Beat "won" the last week.
** Secret Report 17 states that the Composer thought up the idea of entry fees to make the players reexamine how crucial those things are so that hopefully, by the end of the Game, Players will be able to take that knowledge and go on with a fresh outlook on life. The entry fees we know of were [[spoiler: the memories that turned Neku into a misanthropist, leading him to realise that you need to open up to people]], [[spoiler: people, Shiki's real looks, so that she realised that she didn't have to be jealous of Eri because she was a good person on her own]], [[spoiler: own, Shiki herself, who was the first person in a long time Neku cared about]], [[spoiler: about, Rhyme's memories of Beat, making him realise that he depended on her too much, since he breaks down when she's gone]] gone and [[spoiler: all the other players in the game, helping Neku figure out that by this point, he officially can't just close himself off to the world]]. world. I'd say tht sounds about right with what the Secret Report says, [[spoiler: even if some creative thought was applied with the people as entry fees by Kitaniji]].
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* Imagine you're the Composer at the end of the game. [[spoiler:The Conductor is dead, as are his three highest ranking subordinates. Due to the Taboo Noise, not to mention the renegade Reaper incident and the Red Skull Pins, most of the Reapers have been picked off. Every Player who has survived the past three weeks has been reincarnated in the RG, with no new Reaper recruits. Of the two most promising surviving Reapers, one refuses a promotion and he seems to be convincing the other of the same thing. Kinda makes you wonder how you and the UG are going to handle next week, huh?]]
** [[spoiler:Sho wasn't erased, his body didn't fade away.]]
** [[spoiler:Josh may be impulsive, but even ''he'' doesn't seem the type who, when dealing with a group of scheming Reapers, solely spares the one who ''tried to kill him''. Especially after he specifically intervened and killed him ''himself''. My suspicion is that Sho wasn't erased simply because, if he was, no one would have noticed that he was killed at all, ruining the entire BaitAndSwitchBoss setup. RuleOfVisible and all that. (And just to add to the PlotHole, ever notice that you can steal his hat from his body when he never wore it during the entire third week?)]]
** [[spoiler:Josh is amused by Sho's efforts to take the rank of Composer, while being very certain that Sho is unable to kill him. I mean, Sho gets a gigantic power-up, becoming part Taboo Noise, and Josh apparently kicked the shit out of him. He doesn't have much to worry about. In fact, this is probably at least Sho's fifth or sixth attempt to steal the title of Composer, which would make a pretty funny revelation in the (hopeful) sequel.]]

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* Imagine you're the Composer at the end of the game. [[spoiler:The The Conductor is dead, as are his three highest ranking subordinates. Due to the Taboo Noise, not to mention the renegade Reaper incident and the Red Skull Pins, most of the Reapers have been picked off. Every Player who has survived the past three weeks has been reincarnated in the RG, with no new Reaper recruits. Of the two most promising surviving Reapers, one refuses a promotion and he seems to be convincing the other of the same thing. Kinda makes you wonder how you and the UG are going to handle next week, huh?]]
huh?
** [[spoiler:Sho Sho wasn't erased, his body didn't fade away.]]
away.
** [[spoiler:Josh Josh may be impulsive, but even ''he'' doesn't seem the type who, when dealing with a group of scheming Reapers, solely spares the one who ''tried to kill him''. Especially after he specifically intervened and killed him ''himself''. My suspicion is that Sho wasn't erased simply because, if he was, no one would have noticed that he was killed at all, ruining the entire BaitAndSwitchBoss setup. RuleOfVisible and all that. (And just to add to the PlotHole, ever notice that you can steal his hat from his body when he never wore it during the entire third week?)]]
week?)
** [[spoiler:Josh Josh is amused by Sho's efforts to take the rank of Composer, while being very certain that Sho is unable to kill him. I mean, Sho gets a gigantic power-up, becoming part Taboo Noise, and Josh apparently kicked the shit out of him. He doesn't have much to worry about. In fact, this is probably at least Sho's fifth or sixth attempt to steal the title of Composer, which would make a pretty funny revelation in the (hopeful) sequel.]]



** Especially since it's explicitly stated that not all winners get resurrected. [[spoiler:Joshua]] gets to decide who comes back to life after each game, so he'll probably just be stingy with the resurrections to encourage winners to start signing up for Reaper duty. Plus, he may decide to promote Yashiru and Kariya whether they like it or not; I doubt they would turn it down if he said 'We need officers. You two either step up or I clip your wings.'

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** Especially since it's explicitly stated that not all winners get resurrected. [[spoiler:Joshua]] Joshua gets to decide who comes back to life after each game, so he'll probably just be stingy with the resurrections to encourage winners to start signing up for Reaper duty. Plus, he may decide to promote Yashiru and Kariya whether they like it or not; I doubt they would turn it down if he said 'We need officers. You two either step up or I clip your wings.' '



** That's true, and might justify a great deal of the plot. As proven after the first week, winning the game doesn't guarantee your return. As proven by [[spoiler:Rhyme]], losing the game doesn't guarantee your demise. As proven by the ending sequence, [[spoiler:the Composer basically dictates who lives and who dies... including people who are still living]]. So maybe the whole plot's a gregarious version of the StockAesop "it's not whether you win or lose, but how you play the game".
** I got the impression from some of his comments that Josh feels the same about Sho as we do, i.e. he's crazy awesome and highly amusing despite his constant attempts to kill us. [[spoiler:Also note that Joshua doesn't actually erase a single person during the game, Megumi was erased when the time limit on his mission ran out.]]

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** That's true, and might justify a great deal of the plot. As proven after the first week, winning the game doesn't guarantee your return. As proven by [[spoiler:Rhyme]], Rhyme, losing the game doesn't guarantee your demise. As proven by the ending sequence, [[spoiler:the the Composer basically dictates who lives and who dies... including people who are still living]].living. So maybe the whole plot's a gregarious version of the StockAesop "it's not whether you win or lose, but how you play the game".
** I got the impression from some of his comments that Josh feels the same about Sho as we do, i.e. he's crazy awesome and highly amusing despite his constant attempts to kill us. [[spoiler:Also Also note that Joshua doesn't actually erase a single person during the game, Megumi was erased when the time limit on his mission ran out.]]
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* There's something to be said for a happy ending, and it can't be said that emotional appeal wasn't involved, but Rhyme's fate doesn't seem right on some level. [[spoiler:Her death was legitimate, and so was her erasure, even if both were tragic and selfless. She certainly didn't win a Game. The possibility of her revival wouldn't have even come up if Beat hadn't tried to cheat the system. Or does it count as getting his entry fee back after defeating Konishi, even if the game is likely null and void?]]
** [[spoiler:Josh and Mr H have no reason to be stingy, or obey the rules of the game. Beat, Neku and Shiki would be upset if Rhyme wasn't returned and technically she wasn't erased (Because Mr H cheated the system by turning her into a pin), so you could argue that she won the game along with the other three.]]
** Adding on to this, I think [[spoiler:Joshua did it for the same reason he brought back everyone else - he'd been affected by Neku. He had no obligation to bring back any of them, but he did, so why not bring back all of them to make Neku's group complete? In fact, I'm pretty sure him bringing back Players that hadn't earned it is what he's facing the repercussions Hanekoma mentions from the higher ups for. Joshua went beyond what he should have done, for Neku's sake]]. Of course, my bias may be showing.
** Rhyme: [[spoiler:Partners with her brother (even if she doesn't realize it). She is erased in ''one hit'' by a legitimate Noise attack. He is saved by seemingly motiveless intervention from Mr. H. He wins on the sideline as a result, and this gives him the opportunity to become a Reaper, bring her back illegitimately, betray them, etc. In the end, she lives]]. Sota: [[spoiler:Partners with his girlfriend. Taboo Noise (an illegal creation) starts attacking everyone. After more than five days of this, she is eventually overwhelmed and is erased. No one intervenes to save him, despite the rulebreaking that led to her erasure. He dies]]. Both befriended Neku. Both won at least one mission for him. Can you honestly say that [[spoiler:Rhyme deserved to be brought back and Sota didn't]]? And even if this is [[spoiler:Joshua's]] doing, isn't it odd that [[spoiler:he ''never'' met Rhyme, yet had several conversations with Sota]]?
** We didn't get to see everyone in Shibuya at the end. [[spoiler: Neku talked to Sota and Nao, and probably liked them at least a little, but they weren't really friends and they probably wouldn't purposefully try to find each other once reincarnated. There's no indication that Sota and/or Nao ''didn't'' come back to life, just that Neku didn't see them post-game. I like to think they got to come back, especially since Shibuya itself, not just Neku and friends, was implied to be fixed. (I also like to think 777 didn't stay erased-- his death didn't sit right with me either.)]]

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* There's something to be said for a happy ending, and it can't be said that emotional appeal wasn't involved, but Rhyme's fate doesn't seem right on some level. [[spoiler:Her Her death was legitimate, and so was her erasure, even if both were tragic and selfless. She certainly didn't win a Game. The possibility of her revival wouldn't have even come up if Beat hadn't tried to cheat the system. Or does it count as getting his entry fee back after defeating Konishi, even if the game is likely null and void?]]
void?
** [[spoiler:Josh Josh and Mr H have no reason to be stingy, or obey the rules of the game. Beat, Neku and Shiki would be upset if Rhyme wasn't returned and technically she wasn't erased (Because Mr H cheated the system by turning her into a pin), so you could argue that she won the game along with the other three.]]
three.
** Adding on to this, I think [[spoiler:Joshua Joshua did it for the same reason he brought back everyone else - he'd been affected by Neku. He had no obligation to bring back any of them, but he did, so why not bring back all of them to make Neku's group complete? In fact, I'm pretty sure him bringing back Players that hadn't earned it is what he's facing the repercussions Hanekoma mentions from the higher ups for. Joshua went beyond what he should have done, for Neku's sake]].sake. Of course, my bias may be showing.
** Rhyme: [[spoiler:Partners Partners with her brother (even if she doesn't realize it). She is erased in ''one hit'' by a legitimate Noise attack. He is saved by seemingly motiveless intervention from Mr. H. He wins on the sideline as a result, and this gives him the opportunity to become a Reaper, bring her back illegitimately, betray them, etc. In the end, she lives]]. lives. Sota: [[spoiler:Partners Partners with his girlfriend. Taboo Noise (an illegal creation) starts attacking everyone. After more than five days of this, she is eventually overwhelmed and is erased. No one intervenes to save him, despite the rulebreaking that led to her erasure. He dies]].dies. Both befriended Neku. Both won at least one mission for him. Can you honestly say that [[spoiler:Rhyme Rhyme deserved to be brought back and Sota didn't]]? didn't? And even if this is [[spoiler:Joshua's]] Joshua's doing, isn't it odd that [[spoiler:he he ''never'' met Rhyme, yet had several conversations with Sota]]?
Sota?
** We didn't get to see everyone in Shibuya at the end. [[spoiler: Neku talked to Sota and Nao, and probably liked them at least a little, but they weren't really friends and they probably wouldn't purposefully try to find each other once reincarnated. There's no indication that Sota and/or Nao ''didn't'' come back to life, just that Neku didn't see them post-game. I like to think they got to come back, especially since Shibuya itself, not just Neku and friends, was implied to be fixed. (I also like to think 777 didn't stay erased-- his death didn't sit right with me either.)]])



** There presumably wasn't anyone around to get to Sota after Nao was erased. It just happened to be a stroke of luck that [[spoiler:Hanekoma was present when Rhyme was erased]].
** As we all know, [[spoiler:Joshua was with Neku when they saw Sota and Nao getting erased. He took the brunt of Neku's anger and sorrow of not being able to help who he considered to be worth helping. Since he's seen Neku's reaction, and since he's also seen Neku's change by the end of the Game, don't you think he would have revived those two, just for the heck of it? I mean, why not, right]]?
** [[spoiler:If Beat wins, his entry fee is returned. If I recall correctly, his entry fee was his sister's love for him, or their relationship, or something along those lines. That can't be restored if she's erased, and Beat gets to have his entry fee back. Also, maybe she's alive, but she doesn't have the most important thing to her anymore- which is implied to be her dreams. It's better than nonexistance, but it's not a perfect end.]]
** [[spoiler:What they meant was his entry fee for week 3, i.e. Rhyme's noise pin.]]
** Tying this into the questions above about [[spoiler: whether or not Neku had to go through a fourth game week post-game, I've always liked the believe that if he ''did'' play one last time that Joshua raised Rhyme back up from Noise to Player to be his partner, and she won her way back to life then. It might even be the entire reason that he got put through it one last time, if that's what happened, as Joshua doing one last nice thing buried under his usual jackassery; with how early she was erased Rhyme probably ''couldn't'' be outright resurrected without going through another Game (in the seventh Secret Report it's mentioned that even Players who make it all the way through their Game end up being broken down into Soul anyway if their Imagination is too weak, and Rhyme's Imagination didn't get the full week to be refined), and Neku's reached a point where he can probably just fly himself and his Partner straight through a game week without much trouble so there wouldn't be any worry of her getting stuck with a sub-par partner and erased again because of that]].

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** There presumably wasn't anyone around to get to Sota after Nao was erased. It just happened to be a stroke of luck that [[spoiler:Hanekoma Hanekoma was present when Rhyme was erased]].
erased.
** As we all know, [[spoiler:Joshua Joshua was with Neku when they saw Sota and Nao getting erased. He took the brunt of Neku's anger and sorrow of not being able to help who he considered to be worth helping. Since he's seen Neku's reaction, and since he's also seen Neku's change by the end of the Game, don't you think he would have revived those two, just for the heck of it? I mean, why not, right]]?
right?
** [[spoiler:If If Beat wins, his entry fee is returned. If I recall correctly, his entry fee was his sister's love for him, or their relationship, or something along those lines. That can't be restored if she's erased, and Beat gets to have his entry fee back. Also, maybe she's alive, but she doesn't have the most important thing to her anymore- which is implied to be her dreams. It's better than nonexistance, but it's not a perfect end.]]
end.
** [[spoiler:What What they meant was his entry fee for week 3, i.e. Rhyme's noise pin.]]
pin.
** Tying this into the questions above about [[spoiler: whether or not Neku had to go through a fourth game week post-game, I've always liked the believe that if he ''did'' play one last time that Joshua raised Rhyme back up from Noise to Player to be his partner, and she won her way back to life then. It might even be the entire reason that he got put through it one last time, if that's what happened, as Joshua doing one last nice thing buried under his usual jackassery; with how early she was erased Rhyme probably ''couldn't'' be outright resurrected without going through another Game (in the seventh Secret Report it's mentioned that even Players who make it all the way through their Game end up being broken down into Soul anyway if their Imagination is too weak, and Rhyme's Imagination didn't get the full week to be refined), and Neku's reached a point where he can probably just fly himself and his Partner straight through a game week without much trouble so there wouldn't be any worry of her getting stuck with a sub-par partner and erased again because of that]].that.



** I assumed that technically, [[spoiler:Rhyme DID manage to survive to the end of the week, but only after some severe rule bending from Mr. Hanekoma. We know that as soon as she was erased he compressed her energy/imagination/whatever into her Noise form, and kept Beat hidden away for the remainder of that first week. At that point Rhyme would still be considered "alive," and since her Noise form wasn't erased by Konishi until the third week, she would get by on a technicality. I'm assuming.]]

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** I assumed that technically, [[spoiler:Rhyme Rhyme DID manage to survive to the end of the week, but only after some severe rule bending from Mr. Hanekoma. We know that as soon as she was erased he compressed her energy/imagination/whatever into her Noise form, and kept Beat hidden away for the remainder of that first week. At that point Rhyme would still be considered "alive," and since her Noise form wasn't erased by Konishi until the third week, she would get by on a technicality. I'm assuming.]]
assuming.



* Why doesn't Kitaniji wear [[spoiler:gloves]]? It seems like it would be easier for him, and they'd suit his suit if he got the right kind.
** Does he need them? [[spoiler:Nobody noticed that he had a timer until seconds before his death. Besides, they don't lend themselves well to snake forms.]]
** Well, assuming that [[spoiler:the timer]] was visible to other people, [[spoiler:gloves]] would make it a lot more plausible that no one noticed in that month.

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* Why doesn't Kitaniji wear [[spoiler:gloves]]? gloves? It seems like it would be easier for him, and they'd suit his suit if he got the right kind.
** Does he need them? [[spoiler:Nobody Nobody noticed that he had a timer until seconds before his death. Besides, they don't lend themselves well to snake forms.]]
forms.
** Well, assuming that [[spoiler:the timer]] the timer was visible to other people, [[spoiler:gloves]] gloves would make it a lot more plausible that no one noticed in that month.



** Nope. That snake form is called Anguis Cantus. Anguis is Latin for Snake, just like Ovis is Sheep, Leo is Lion, Tigris is Tiger, Draco is Dragon, and [[spoiler:Pantera is Panther]]. Therefore, it's pretty clear that Anguis Cantus is supposed to be a snake.

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** Nope. That snake form is called Anguis Cantus. Anguis is Latin for Snake, just like Ovis is Sheep, Leo is Lion, Tigris is Tiger, Draco is Dragon, and [[spoiler:Pantera Pantera is Panther]].Panther. Therefore, it's pretty clear that Anguis Cantus is supposed to be a snake.



* Another Secret Report Headscratcher: Week 1 Day 7's report discusses the multiple options available for winners of the Game. Being converted into Soul, becoming a Reaper [[spoiler:or Angel]], or, if the Composer deigns it so, reincarnation. What bugs me is that every Player in the game acts as though reincarnation, which is described by the report as an oddity, is ''the only option''. Several Players say that they'd gladly risk themselves multiple times for a chance to come back to life, even though many Reapers [[spoiler:and the one Angel we see]] have RG lives as well. Shiki considers giving up and losing (which would also kill Neku) when she thinks that she has nothing to go back to, rather than aiming for a nice afterlife. [[spoiler:Kitaniji pulls an entry fee stunt on her to hide the fact that the Composer can't reincarnate her, when he could offer an alternate option.]] And when one player actually ''does'' decide to become a Reaper, this flabbergasts everyone and is treated like a FaceHeelTurn, ''even by the Reaper in the room''! Someone's opinion of reincarnation is poorly informed, and I'm not sure whose.

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* Another Secret Report Headscratcher: Week 1 Day 7's report discusses the multiple options available for winners of the Game. Being converted into Soul, becoming a Reaper [[spoiler:or Angel]], or Angel, or, if the Composer deigns it so, reincarnation. What bugs me is that every Player in the game acts as though reincarnation, which is described by the report as an oddity, is ''the only option''. Several Players say that they'd gladly risk themselves multiple times for a chance to come back to life, even though many Reapers [[spoiler:and and the one Angel we see]] see have RG lives as well. Shiki considers giving up and losing (which would also kill Neku) when she thinks that she has nothing to go back to, rather than aiming for a nice afterlife. [[spoiler:Kitaniji Kitaniji pulls an entry fee stunt on her to hide the fact that the Composer can't reincarnate her, when he could offer an alternate option.]] option. And when one player actually ''does'' decide to become a Reaper, this flabbergasts everyone and is treated like a FaceHeelTurn, ''even by the Reaper in the room''! Someone's opinion of reincarnation is poorly informed, and I'm not sure whose.



* Why aren't the shopkeepers affected by the [[spoiler:red pins]] in the endgame? You'd think that Mick, at the very least, would have one, seeing as he was very involved in that subplot. In fact, the shopkeepers must never leave their stores; they never comment on the fact that [[spoiler: every other person in Shibuya is standing around muttering about paradise]].
** This is especially true for the elderly man who runs the herbal remedy shop just east of the scramble. Assuming you have befriended him enough, he asks you if you've met his grandson Shuto. You have; you've played him in several Tin Pin Slammer matches. More importantly, [[spoiler:he's standing ''right outside that building'', saying stuff about righting the constant wrongs of our day. Look out the window occasionally, old man]]!

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* Why aren't the shopkeepers affected by the [[spoiler:red pins]] red pins in the endgame? You'd think that Mick, at the very least, would have one, seeing as he was very involved in that subplot. In fact, the shopkeepers must never leave their stores; they never comment on the fact that [[spoiler: every other person in Shibuya is standing around muttering about paradise]].
paradise.
** This is especially true for the elderly man who runs the herbal remedy shop just east of the scramble. Assuming you have befriended him enough, he asks you if you've met his grandson Shuto. You have; you've played him in several Tin Pin Slammer matches. More importantly, [[spoiler:he's he's standing ''right outside that building'', saying stuff about righting the constant wrongs of our day. Look out the window occasionally, old man]]!man!



** Don't forget, all of the shops that you can go to have the skull symbol in front. I think the symbol is what protects them from the [[spoiler:red pins]] not the player pin it's self. It would also explain why ken Doi succumbs, he walked outside to give Neku the box.
** I can tell you about Mick. On Week 3 Day 3 when you walk to 104 you see him moaning about his Business, then Eiji Oji show up and tell him about to wear whatever feel right to him. Now if you play the card right, you see him back to himself, [[spoiler:and I think he isn't wearing the Red Pin on himself, ''Lucky him''.]]

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** Don't forget, all of the shops that you can go to have the skull symbol in front. I think the symbol is what protects them from the [[spoiler:red pins]] red pins not the player pin it's self. It would also explain why ken Doi succumbs, he walked outside to give Neku the box.
** I can tell you about Mick. On Week 3 Day 3 when you walk to 104 you see him moaning about his Business, then Eiji Oji show up and tell him about to wear whatever feel right to him. Now if you play the card right, you see him back to himself, [[spoiler:and and I think he isn't wearing the Red Pin on himself, ''Lucky him''.]]



** Actually, the Secret Reports state that [[spoiler:the marks lower the vibe of anything that enters. Mind reading/imprinting works in that the player pin raises the mental strength of one's own walls and lets you up your vibe to the point you can force it through the walls of others who don't have a pin (which is also why Joshua can be read). Presumably, the marks disrupt the Conductor's imprinting vibe.]]

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** Actually, the Secret Reports state that [[spoiler:the the marks lower the vibe of anything that enters. Mind reading/imprinting works in that the player pin raises the mental strength of one's own walls and lets you up your vibe to the point you can force it through the walls of others who don't have a pin (which is also why Joshua can be read). Presumably, the marks disrupt the Conductor's imprinting vibe.]]
vibe.



* You can have more than one [[spoiler:Rhyme pin]]. In fact, if you go for all the secret reports, you will have two, and to get to the credits sequence a second time to see the full fruits of your efforts, you'll end up with three. And ''that's'' if you save trying for [[spoiler:Beat, Day 7's Boss symbol battle]] until after you've accomplished all the ''other'' requirements. Oh, and you can equip this pin during the second playthrough, as well, which means you might be wearing it when [[spoiler:Rhyme is "alive" (or at least, as alive as any Player is), when Beat is attacking you, and even when you and Beat are chasing and fighting Konishi (and Uzuki, briefly) in order to get the pin back. You can't cash ''any'' of them in, as they're "worth more than all the yen in the world"... but does that mean that Rhyme will be triplets, at least when she's restored to life? Or will the other two or more be kept around as pet ferrets? No matter how you slice it, this has some seriously weird implications]]. On a pragmatic level, the pins are received already mastered, and of course, you can only equip one at a time, so having more than one seems to only exist as a means of counting how many times you've [[spoiler:defeated Konishi]].

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* You can have more than one [[spoiler:Rhyme pin]].Rhyme pin. In fact, if you go for all the secret reports, you will have two, and to get to the credits sequence a second time to see the full fruits of your efforts, you'll end up with three. And ''that's'' if you save trying for [[spoiler:Beat, Beat, Day 7's Boss symbol battle]] battle until after you've accomplished all the ''other'' requirements. Oh, and you can equip this pin during the second playthrough, as well, which means you might be wearing it when [[spoiler:Rhyme Rhyme is "alive" (or at least, as alive as any Player is), when Beat is attacking you, and even when you and Beat are chasing and fighting Konishi (and Uzuki, briefly) in order to get the pin back. You can't cash ''any'' of them in, as they're "worth more than all the yen in the world"... but does that mean that Rhyme will be triplets, at least when she's restored to life? Or will the other two or more be kept around as pet ferrets? No matter how you slice it, this has some seriously weird implications]]. implications. On a pragmatic level, the pins are received already mastered, and of course, you can only equip one at a time, so having more than one seems to only exist as a means of counting how many times you've [[spoiler:defeated Konishi]].defeated Konishi.



** Even ''that'' is nothing. You can ''buy'' [[spoiler:Rhyme pins]] at Shadow Ramen. You can ''buy'' them.

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** Even ''that'' is nothing. You can ''buy'' [[spoiler:Rhyme pins]] Rhyme pins at Shadow Ramen. You can ''buy'' them.



** Fighting [[spoiler: Reaper Beat]] with the pin is probably one of the most sadistic things you can do, though it's not addressed in the game.
** Also very impractical. He's a very quick enemy, and using that pin tends to require your enemy to ''hold still'' long enough to land the hit.
** Maybe [[spoiler:Hanekoma liked the Rhyme pin]], so he created several more, much like [[spoiler:the fake one given to Uzuki]]. Said pin just happens to be an additional drop for [[spoiler:Konishi, and since Neku has one real one and several fakes that summon a regular old Noise, well... "Sorry, I'd love to restore Rhyme to life, but you sort of threw the pin in a trash can. It's in a junkyard, parts of it smashed into a car. LOL, it's so ironic!" "..." "...no, Rhyme's gone. Sorry. Nice going, Neku."]]

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** Fighting [[spoiler: Reaper Beat]] Beat with the pin is probably one of the most sadistic things you can do, though it's not addressed in the game.
** Also very impractical. He's a very quick enemy, and using that pin tends to require your enemy to ''hold still'' long enough to land the hit.
hit.
** Maybe [[spoiler:Hanekoma Hanekoma liked the Rhyme pin]], pin, so he created several more, much like [[spoiler:the the fake one given to Uzuki]]. Uzuki. Said pin just happens to be an additional drop for [[spoiler:Konishi, Konishi, and since Neku has one real one and several fakes that summon a regular old Noise, well... "Sorry, I'd love to restore Rhyme to life, but you sort of threw the pin in a trash can. It's in a junkyard, parts of it smashed into a car. LOL, it's so ironic!" "..." "...no, Rhyme's gone. Sorry. Nice going, Neku."]]"



** Kitaniji probably just never gave it back, considering that she was basically nonexistent for two weeks. [[spoiler:In the Composer's absence the rules of the UG were invalidated]], so he had no real obligation to return her entry fee anyway.

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** Kitaniji probably just never gave it back, considering that she was basically nonexistent for two weeks. [[spoiler:In In the Composer's absence the rules of the UG were invalidated]], invalidated, so he had no real obligation to return her entry fee anyway.



** The above troper is right; when [[spoiler:Red Kaiser is smashed in Another Day]], Shooter is depressed, but admits that he can play without it, as it does ''nothing at all'', just being a training brace; this surprises even Neku, who had previously said that Shooter could play without it.

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** The above troper is right; when [[spoiler:Red Red Kaiser is smashed in Another Day]], Day, Shooter is depressed, but admits that he can play without it, as it does ''nothing at all'', just being a training brace; this surprises even Neku, who had previously said that Shooter could play without it.



* On a more mechanical note, why are cars less durable than bicycles? They always seem to deliver less hits when used with Psychokinesis pins before blinking out. Furthermore, I'm not sure what kind of weirdness censor the RG people have, but I don't think they could miss a car flying through the air and then falling apart inexplicably. [[spoiler:I also don't think objects can have their vibe adjusted in the same way that Players and Reapers can, which means that if a car exists in the Noise Plane it probably exists in the Real Ground too.]]

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* On a more mechanical note, why are cars less durable than bicycles? They always seem to deliver less hits when used with Psychokinesis pins before blinking out. Furthermore, I'm not sure what kind of weirdness censor the RG people have, but I don't think they could miss a car flying through the air and then falling apart inexplicably. [[spoiler:I I also don't think objects can have their vibe adjusted in the same way that Players and Reapers can, which means that if a car exists in the Noise Plane it probably exists in the Real Ground too.]]



** And the cars that pass by the Miyashita Park Underpass (where [[spoiler:Beat and Rhyme died]]).
** Actually, if Sho's trash heaps are any indication, objects [[spoiler:''can'' be adjusted to exist on individual planes. After all, Konishi states specifically that his "works of art" were spotted ''around the UG'']].

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** And the cars that pass by the Miyashita Park Underpass (where [[spoiler:Beat Beat and Rhyme died]]).
died).
** Actually, if Sho's trash heaps are any indication, objects [[spoiler:''can'' ''can'' be adjusted to exist on individual planes. After all, Konishi states specifically that his "works of art" were spotted ''around the UG'']].
UG''.



** [[spoiler: The Conductor began spreading the red skull pins across Shibuya during the first week, but they weren't activated yet. When the third week came, they had been issued to the Reapers as O-Pins and by then pretty much everybody in Shibuya had one. So come the third week, he activated the pins and the pins slowly took effect, resulting in mass brainwashing without the suspicion.]]

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** [[spoiler: The Conductor began spreading the red skull pins across Shibuya during the first week, but they weren't activated yet. When the third week came, they had been issued to the Reapers as O-Pins and by then pretty much everybody in Shibuya had one. So come the third week, he activated the pins and the pins slowly took effect, resulting in mass brainwashing without the suspicion.]]
suspicion.



* What happened to [[spoiler:the other Week 3 Players after Neku and Beat won the game]]?
** The Composer [[spoiler:reset the three weeks, I think. Therefore, everything that happened is now nothing more than a memory. To the people of Shibuya, it's like a CanonDiscontinuity]].
** If Shibuya was indeed [[spoiler:reset, wouldn't this cause problems? For instance, if someone who was in Shibuya at the beginning of the three weeks but had left by the end of the third week, the reset would cause two copies of that person to exist]].
** Or maybe the fee wasn't [[spoiler:the potential players, themselves, but instead the possibility of any other players? In other words, Neku himself was the one and only player until Beat came along]]. (How many people [[spoiler:die]] in Shibuya in a week, anyway?)

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* What happened to [[spoiler:the the other Week 3 Players after Neku and Beat won the game]]?
game?
** The Composer [[spoiler:reset reset the three weeks, I think. Therefore, everything that happened is now nothing more than a memory. To the people of Shibuya, it's like a CanonDiscontinuity]].
CanonDiscontinuity.
** If Shibuya was indeed [[spoiler:reset, reset, wouldn't this cause problems? For instance, if someone who was in Shibuya at the beginning of the three weeks but had left by the end of the third week, the reset would cause two copies of that person to exist]].
exist.
** Or maybe the fee wasn't [[spoiler:the the potential players, themselves, but instead the possibility of any other players? In other words, Neku himself was the one and only player until Beat came along]]. along. (How many people [[spoiler:die]] die in Shibuya in a week, anyway?)



** Judging from the fact that [[spoiler: Minamimoto]] attempts to kill [[spoiler: Joshua]] in the RG, I'd say it's a pretty fair bet that they just plain die.

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** Judging from the fact that [[spoiler: Minamimoto]] Minamimoto attempts to kill [[spoiler: Joshua]] Joshua in the RG, I'd say it's a pretty fair bet that they just plain die.



** Maybe the Noise just go with the strongest Player they see in the Noise plane. [[spoiler: In Joshua's case, though, maybe they were constrained by their own strength or just plain scared of facing him or maybe Downtuned!Joshua "looks" weaker than Neku.]]

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** Maybe the Noise just go with the strongest Player they see in the Noise plane. [[spoiler: In Joshua's case, though, maybe they were constrained by their own strength or just plain scared of facing him or maybe Downtuned!Joshua "looks" weaker than Neku.]]
Neku.



* Okay, here's a good one, has Joshua even died? I mean there's no way that he can [[spoiler:be the Composer and even]] play the games if he was still alive in the games, even if he can see the UG. There is just no way that he can be playing [[spoiler:and also be the Composer]]. I don't care if he's still alive or not, it's just that he has to die to be a player in the games [[spoiler: and trying to be the Composer]].

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* Okay, here's a good one, has Joshua even died? I mean there's no way that he can [[spoiler:be be the Composer and even]] even play the games if he was still alive in the games, even if he can see the UG. There is just no way that he can be playing [[spoiler:and and also be the Composer]]. Composer. I don't care if he's still alive or not, it's just that he has to die to be a player in the games [[spoiler: and trying to be the Composer]].Composer.



** Remember, Mr. H, and other Reapers are able to change their frequency to go from the UG to the RG and back. It's safe to say that as the Composer, Joshua can just change his frequency at will as well. Also don't forget when [[spoiler: Sho did the Lvl ''i'' Flare, Joshua jumped to the Another Day dimension, which is a different frequency from the one they are on]].

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** Remember, Mr. H, and other Reapers are able to change their frequency to go from the UG to the RG and back. It's safe to say that as the Composer, Joshua can just change his frequency at will as well. Also don't forget when [[spoiler: Sho did the Lvl ''i'' Flare, Joshua jumped to the Another Day dimension, which is a different frequency from the one they are on]].
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** Considering he [[spoiler:taught Minamimoto how to make a Taboo Noise refinery sigil and sent him out to ''kill the Composer'', created the {{Instrumentality}} pins, and indirectly causing the Erasure of ''at least'' a few dozen Reapers]], saving one pair of Players seems kind of minor.
** Yeah, but Mr. Hanekoma at least put some efforts into hiding those violations. Anyone with the common sense can figure out why Beat who lost his partner didn't get erased few minutes later. And similarly, why wasn't Beat penalized for cheating? Turning a player into a pin isn't obviously something Beat (or any other players for that matter) can do, meaning he must have gotten some illegal help from above.

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** Considering he [[spoiler:taught taught Minamimoto how to make a Taboo Noise refinery sigil and sent him out to ''kill the Composer'', created the {{Instrumentality}} pins, and indirectly causing the Erasure of ''at least'' a few dozen Reapers]], Reapers, saving one pair of Players seems kind of minor.
** Yeah, but Mr. Hanekoma at least put some efforts into hiding those violations. Anyone with the common sense can figure out why Beat who lost his partner didn't get erased few minutes later. And similarly, why wasn't Beat penalized for cheating? Turning a player into a pin isn't obviously something Beat (or any other players for that matter) can do, meaning he must have gotten some illegal help from above.



* If Kariya and Uzuki are such well-established top-of-the-line Harriers who are inches away from promotion, how come they lose every fight you have against them, while newbie [[spoiler:Beat]] is always a HopelessBossFight?
** Maybe [[spoiler:Rhyme]] helps [[spoiler:Beat]] out; she was smart. Also Neku is on his 3rd week. He's been leveled up a lot and he knows what he's doing.
** It's never really stated that Uzuki is that great a Harrier. Well, Konishi does say that to her, but she was probably just buttering her up. And for all we know, Kariya could easily cream you, and he just doesn't because a) he's too lazy, and b) he seems to be the only Reaper that cares even a little about making the Game somewhat fair. As for why [[spoiler: Beat]] is a HopelessBossFight, maybe newbie reapers have some sort of extra power they get, that wears off once they're been a reaper for a while and they've adjusted. Or Neku just had trouble fighting him because they know each other.
** [[spoiler:Reaper Beat]] isn't that hard when you face him as a BonusBoss, (and a good source of drops), so it's possible that story-wise, Neku had problems with fighting Beat (who isn't quite a friend yet to Neku, but since Neku is opening up to people, it's difficult to fight someone like [[spoiler:Beat]]). As for Uzuki and Kariya, their fight [[ThatOneBoss isn't exactly easy]], but there are a few possible reasons why Neku and Beat win; 1) Neku's presumably stronger after surviving for over two weeks, and has [[spoiler:Beat]] on his side (during the fights with him, Joshua was holding back), and 2) Neku and [[spoiler:Beat]] are trying harder than ever, not only knowing that all the players, Shiki and Rhyme are on the line, and they won't have another chance.

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* If Kariya and Uzuki are such well-established top-of-the-line Harriers who are inches away from promotion, how come they lose every fight you have against them, while newbie [[spoiler:Beat]] Beat is always a HopelessBossFight?
** Maybe [[spoiler:Rhyme]] Rhyme helps [[spoiler:Beat]] Beat out; she was smart. Also Neku is on his 3rd week. He's been leveled up a lot and he knows what he's doing.
** It's never really stated that Uzuki is that great a Harrier. Well, Konishi does say that to her, but she was probably just buttering her up. And for all we know, Kariya could easily cream you, and he just doesn't because a) he's too lazy, and b) he seems to be the only Reaper that cares even a little about making the Game somewhat fair. As for why [[spoiler: Beat]] Beat is a HopelessBossFight, maybe newbie reapers have some sort of extra power they get, that wears off once they're been a reaper for a while and they've adjusted. Or Neku just had trouble fighting him because they know each other.
** [[spoiler:Reaper Beat]] Reaper Beat isn't that hard when you face him as a BonusBoss, (and a good source of drops), so it's possible that story-wise, Neku had problems with fighting Beat (who isn't quite a friend yet to Neku, but since Neku is opening up to people, it's difficult to fight someone like [[spoiler:Beat]]). Beat). As for Uzuki and Kariya, their fight [[ThatOneBoss isn't exactly easy]], but there are a few possible reasons why Neku and Beat win; 1) Neku's presumably stronger after surviving for over two weeks, and has [[spoiler:Beat]] Beat on his side (during the fights with him, Joshua was holding back), and 2) Neku and [[spoiler:Beat]] Beat are trying harder than ever, not only knowing that all the players, Shiki and Rhyme are on the line, and they won't have another chance.



* So in the end, we have Neku versus the Composer. [[spoiler:Neku gets the chance to shoot. He doesn't. The Composer lives, but luckily for Shibuya, he's changed his mind about destroying the whole place.]] But here's the thing: Beat's ''right there'' offscreen. He never even [[spoiler:met Joshua before]]. He has an existing grudge against the Composer, and has openly stated that he wants to take the position by force. He has a hair-trigger temper and no self-control to speak of. He's probably levelled up enough to survive getting flipped in the air by a rhinoceros, never mind taking a bullet from the Composer's ordinary-looking pistol. Why doesn't he even try to kill the Composer?
** Technically, he [[spoiler:met Joshua during all those times he tried to beat up Neku during the second week]]. Not that the experience would change his actions.

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* So in the end, we have Neku versus the Composer. [[spoiler:Neku Neku gets the chance to shoot. He doesn't. The Composer lives, but luckily for Shibuya, he's changed his mind about destroying the whole place.]] But here's the thing: Beat's ''right there'' offscreen. He never even [[spoiler:met met Joshua before]].before. He has an existing grudge against the Composer, and has openly stated that he wants to take the position by force. He has a hair-trigger temper and no self-control to speak of. He's probably levelled up enough to survive getting flipped in the air by a rhinoceros, never mind taking a bullet from the Composer's ordinary-looking pistol. Why doesn't he even try to kill the Composer?
** Technically, he [[spoiler:met met Joshua during all those times he tried to beat up Neku during the second week]].week. Not that the experience would change his actions.



** Neku also talked about Joshua [[spoiler: who he thought pulled a HeroicSacrifice for him with true sadness and regret]] when Beat asked about him on W3 D1, possibly proving Beat thought Joshua was somewhat decent considering Neku was his friend, thus concerned for his friend's friend, and that he didn't think ill of Joshua. Of course, even if all of this is disregarded, it [[CurbStompBattle wouldn't have mattered much anyway.]]

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** Neku also talked about Joshua [[spoiler: who he thought pulled a HeroicSacrifice for him with true sadness and regret]] regret when Beat asked about him on W3 D1, possibly proving Beat thought Joshua was somewhat decent considering Neku was his friend, thus concerned for his friend's friend, and that he didn't think ill of Joshua. Of course, even if all of this is disregarded, it [[CurbStompBattle wouldn't have mattered much anyway.]]



* If you can just end a Player's game by breaking his Player Pin, without even needing to battle first... why doesn't anyone ever do that, aside from [[spoiler:the one time it doesn't work]]?
** Destroying the Player Pin doesn't end someone's game. Case in point 1: [[spoiler:Joshua played without one, meaning that Player Pins are not needed for access to the Game]]. Case in point 2: [[spoiler:Kitaniji's intention by breaking Neku's pin was to expose him to his imprinting, not to erase him]].
** Unfortunately, this does nothing to explain why [[spoiler:he didn't try to break Beat's pin, which would have worked on him and left Neku unable to win the next battle]].
** We can safely assume that [[spoiler:Beat didn't have a Red Skull Pin, so breaking his Player Pin still wouldn't expose him to Kitaniji's imprinting. Beat was partnered to Rhyme's pin and unable to participate in missions by [=W1D6=], when the Red Skull Pins were first introduced, and was no longer a Reaper when wearing an "O-Pin" became mandatory. He was probably never given one, or if he was, he wouldn't have had reason to keep it.]]

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* If you can just end a Player's game by breaking his Player Pin, without even needing to battle first... why doesn't anyone ever do that, aside from [[spoiler:the the one time it doesn't work]]?
work?
** Destroying the Player Pin doesn't end someone's game. Case in point 1: [[spoiler:Joshua Joshua played without one, meaning that Player Pins are not needed for access to the Game]]. Game. Case in point 2: [[spoiler:Kitaniji's Kitaniji's intention by breaking Neku's pin was to expose him to his imprinting, not to erase him]].
him.
** Unfortunately, this does nothing to explain why [[spoiler:he he didn't try to break Beat's pin, which would have worked on him and left Neku unable to win the next battle]].
battle.
** We can safely assume that [[spoiler:Beat Beat didn't have a Red Skull Pin, so breaking his Player Pin still wouldn't expose him to Kitaniji's imprinting. Beat was partnered to Rhyme's pin and unable to participate in missions by [=W1D6=], when the Red Skull Pins were first introduced, and was no longer a Reaper when wearing an "O-Pin" became mandatory. He was probably never given one, or if he was, he wouldn't have had reason to keep it.]]
it.



* OK, so Josh [[spoiler:shields Neku from Sho's Level ''i'' Flare]] so that Neku doesn't get harmed. However, the Secret Reports reveal that Josh actually [[spoiler:retreated to the Another Day universe just before the blast hit]]. So if [[spoiler:Josh wasn't actually there to take the hit]], shouldn't it have kept going and erased Neku?
** Joshua pushed Neku out of the way, and possibly [[spoiler:used his own power to lessen the effects of the ''i'' Flare. Josh used Minamimoto's attack as an excuse to disappear, which is why he allowed himself to 'get hit' by it.]]

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* OK, so Josh [[spoiler:shields shields Neku from Sho's Level ''i'' Flare]] Flare so that Neku doesn't get harmed. However, the Secret Reports reveal that Josh actually [[spoiler:retreated retreated to the Another Day universe just before the blast hit]]. hit. So if [[spoiler:Josh Josh wasn't actually there to take the hit]], hit, shouldn't it have kept going and erased Neku?
** Joshua pushed Neku out of the way, and possibly [[spoiler:used used his own power to lessen the effects of the ''i'' Flare. Josh used Minamimoto's attack as an excuse to disappear, which is why he allowed himself to 'get hit' by it.]]



** [[spoiler: Its called Level I flare. Level attacks in the Final Fantasy games only work on the applicable targets and have no effect on other targets. The I flare targets objects not meant to be there. It would not actually hurt Neku]]

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** [[spoiler: Its called Level I flare. Level attacks in the Final Fantasy games only work on the applicable targets and have no effect on other targets. The I flare targets objects not meant to be there. It would not actually hurt Neku]]Neku



** Well, you can't actually divide by imaginary numbers, but technically, you ''can'' find the answer to anything involving such a division. For instance, if you're dividing by ''i'', you multiply it by ''i''/''i'', the same as multiplying by one, to move the imaginary number to the numerator. If the denominator is (a + b''i''), then you multiply by (a - b''i'')/(a - b''i'') to make the denominator (a^2 - b^2). It's no longer dividing by an imaginary number, but the result is still the same. And the result is [[spoiler:a fucking nuke]].

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** Well, you can't actually divide by imaginary numbers, but technically, you ''can'' find the answer to anything involving such a division. For instance, if you're dividing by ''i'', you multiply it by ''i''/''i'', the same as multiplying by one, to move the imaginary number to the numerator. If the denominator is (a + b''i''), then you multiply by (a - b''i'')/(a - b''i'') to make the denominator (a^2 - b^2). It's no longer dividing by an imaginary number, but the result is still the same. And the result is [[spoiler:a a fucking nuke]].nuke.



** Perhaps he wanted to be absolutely sure that Joshua and Neku' levels weren't somehow made to be ''i'', considering that [[spoiler:Joshua's the Composer]], and wanted an attack that could not be avoided. Notice that in ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'', most of the bosses' levels are prime numbers, meaning that L.3 Muddle, L.4 Flare and L.5 Death won't work. What's unclear is how large the effective radius is and how Neku managed to get thrown out of it.

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** Perhaps he wanted to be absolutely sure that Joshua and Neku' levels weren't somehow made to be ''i'', considering that [[spoiler:Joshua's Joshua's the Composer]], Composer, and wanted an attack that could not be avoided. Notice that in ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'', most of the bosses' levels are prime numbers, meaning that L.3 Muddle, L.4 Flare and L.5 Death won't work. What's unclear is how large the effective radius is and how Neku managed to get thrown out of it.



* Only after playing this game twice did I realize that [[spoiler: Beat and Rhyme being brother and sister]] was supposed to be a {{Reveal}}. [[spoiler: Sure, it's not explicitly mentioned until the third week, but it seemed pretty freaking obvious. Not only do they have the same skull motif in their designs, but they both have [[PhenotypeStereotype blond hair and blue eyes]]. And it doesn't help that Beat's behavior screams BigBrotherInstinct from the very start.]]

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* Only after playing this game twice did I realize that [[spoiler: Beat and Rhyme being brother and sister]] sister was supposed to be a {{Reveal}}. [[spoiler: Sure, it's not explicitly mentioned until the third week, but it seemed pretty freaking obvious. Not only do they have the same skull motif in their designs, but they both have [[PhenotypeStereotype blond hair and blue eyes]].eyes. And it doesn't help that Beat's behavior screams BigBrotherInstinct from the very start.]]



* Kitaniji's entire [[spoiler: mind control plan. Alright, I can see the whole red skull pin thing taking over a large chunk of Japan maybe, but what then? Speaking as a gamer in the US you honestly cannot rely on fads to spread something from Japan to the entire world, or really from everywhere, between issues with exporting, the fact that people in other countries likely won't be interested in some random silly pins that they've never seen before, and the ones that are are likely small pocket clusters. The entire thing is flawed and hinges too heavily on A) the things actually getting out of Japan, and B) spreading fast enough that no one in the RG notices the red eyed zombie people wearing them]].
** The Reapers' Game doesn't extend outside of Shibuya, and everywhere outside of Shibuya is without the Composer's and the Conductor's jurisdiction, and thus has nothing to do with the game. Kitaniji's plan was meant for Shibuya and Shibuya only; world domination was never his agenda. [[spoiler:The Composer grew tired of the people of Shibuya and thought of them as irredeemable. As overlord of Shibuya he had the ability to destroy it, which he promised to do unless Kitaniji could find a way to redeem the people living there. Kitaniji's plan was to have everyone in Shibuya tuned to his wavelength, in order to convince the Composer that Shibuya was worth saving. He wasn't trying to achieve domination over people, he was trying to protect them.]] In case you didn't get that: [[spoiler:''Kitanaji is the good guy'']].

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* Kitaniji's entire [[spoiler: mind control plan. Alright, I can see the whole red skull pin thing taking over a large chunk of Japan maybe, but what then? Speaking as a gamer in the US you honestly cannot rely on fads to spread something from Japan to the entire world, or really from everywhere, between issues with exporting, the fact that people in other countries likely won't be interested in some random silly pins that they've never seen before, and the ones that are are likely small pocket clusters. The entire thing is flawed and hinges too heavily on A) the things actually getting out of Japan, and B) spreading fast enough that no one in the RG notices the red eyed zombie people wearing them]].
them.
** The Reapers' Game doesn't extend outside of Shibuya, and everywhere outside of Shibuya is without the Composer's and the Conductor's jurisdiction, and thus has nothing to do with the game. Kitaniji's plan was meant for Shibuya and Shibuya only; world domination was never his agenda. [[spoiler:The The Composer grew tired of the people of Shibuya and thought of them as irredeemable. As overlord of Shibuya he had the ability to destroy it, which he promised to do unless Kitaniji could find a way to redeem the people living there. Kitaniji's plan was to have everyone in Shibuya tuned to his wavelength, in order to convince the Composer that Shibuya was worth saving. He wasn't trying to achieve domination over people, he was trying to protect them.]] In case you didn't get that: [[spoiler:''Kitanaji ''Kitanaji is the good guy'']].guy''.



* My concerns about [[spoiler:Mr. H]]. In the Secret Reports, it's clearly stated that Angels are just higher ranked Reaper, with particulary impressive talent and Imagination. That would mean that he was a Reaper one day, which implies he played the Game once. Furthermore, how the heck no one suspects him of being something out of the ordinary?! He's not a Reaper and posesses no Player Pin (even so if they assumed they didn't spot it, like Uzuki did in his first appearance, it would get suspicious in the second week or so), and being alive and seeing the UG (as it would've been for Josh) isn't quite enough for interacting with it, is it? Then, again, he is a shopkeeper of one of Shibuya's UG-friendly stores, which means he can be visited by Reapers also. How does no one see that there's something wrong with him?!
** [[spoiler:Mr Hanekoma]] was never a Reaper. The Secret Reports state that he is a native being to the plane of Angels, and thus has always been an Angel. Angels are above Reapers in Shibuya's hierarchy, but Angels are not Reapers and you don't need to be a Reaper to become an Angel. [[spoiler:Mr. H]] only interacted with one Reaper over the course of the game, and that was due to a rule infringement. There are a lot of people in Shibuya; it stands to reason that nobody involved in the Game actually knows him or has met him besides the Composer. Although, [[spoiler:Minamimoto]] does know his identity, because [[spoiler:Mr. H taught him how to refine Taboo Noise, and Minamimoto later ransacked his café]].
** It is stated that he is natively of Higher Plane ([[spoiler:"While the Producer is natively an entity from the Higher Plane, he can adjust the frequency of his vibe to visit the UG and lower planes"]]), but as natively as humans are from RG and Reapers from UG - their vibe is different, which doesn't mean they don't come from another plane, I think. Vibes should change while you change the type of your existence, shouldn't they? As for Angels being just higher ranked: "[[spoiler:So, what happens to those who survive the week? Those Imagination is less than outstanding are broken down into Soul, while those with excellent Imagination become Reapers. The most talented of these may travel to the next plane, inhabited by Us Angels.]]". Yet, even if the [[spoiler:Producer]] comes down from Higher Plane every so often for observational purposes, I'm still surprised why over the coure of two to three weeks nobody noticed that someone that isn't a Player nor Reaper interacts with things of the Game. A shopkeeper aware of Players outside the shop is quite new, isn't it? Yet no one investigated it. Even Neku starts to suspect something as late as in the third week. And he's met [[spoiler:Mr.H]] quite often.
** ''Why'' would he be investigated? None of the Reapers know who he is. [[spoiler:[=WildKat=]]] is just a cover and doesn't get any customers besides Neku and Joshua, so really no one who would care would have had any reason to have even seen him before. Besides, [[spoiler:the Producer]] doesn't actually interact with the Game. He carries out requests for the Composer and makes sure that the rules are being followed, but it's illegal for him to do anything that would impact the Game. [[spoiler:That didn't stop him from doing it anyway, but he was never caught and no one would have had any reason to suspect him.]]

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* My concerns about [[spoiler:Mr. H]].Mr. H. In the Secret Reports, it's clearly stated that Angels are just higher ranked Reaper, with particulary impressive talent and Imagination. That would mean that he was a Reaper one day, which implies he played the Game once. Furthermore, how the heck no one suspects him of being something out of the ordinary?! He's not a Reaper and posesses no Player Pin (even so if they assumed they didn't spot it, like Uzuki did in his first appearance, it would get suspicious in the second week or so), and being alive and seeing the UG (as it would've been for Josh) isn't quite enough for interacting with it, is it? Then, again, he is a shopkeeper of one of Shibuya's UG-friendly stores, which means he can be visited by Reapers also. How does no one see that there's something wrong with him?!
** [[spoiler:Mr Hanekoma]] Mr Hanekoma was never a Reaper. The Secret Reports state that he is a native being to the plane of Angels, and thus has always been an Angel. Angels are above Reapers in Shibuya's hierarchy, but Angels are not Reapers and you don't need to be a Reaper to become an Angel. [[spoiler:Mr. H]] Mr. H only interacted with one Reaper over the course of the game, and that was due to a rule infringement. There are a lot of people in Shibuya; it stands to reason that nobody involved in the Game actually knows him or has met him besides the Composer. Although, [[spoiler:Minamimoto]] Minamimoto does know his identity, because [[spoiler:Mr. Mr. H taught him how to refine Taboo Noise, and Minamimoto later ransacked his café]].
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** It is stated that he is natively of Higher Plane ([[spoiler:"While ("While the Producer is natively an entity from the Higher Plane, he can adjust the frequency of his vibe to visit the UG and lower planes"]]), planes"), but as natively as humans are from RG and Reapers from UG - their vibe is different, which doesn't mean they don't come from another plane, I think. Vibes should change while you change the type of your existence, shouldn't they? As for Angels being just higher ranked: "[[spoiler:So, "So, what happens to those who survive the week? Those Imagination is less than outstanding are broken down into Soul, while those with excellent Imagination become Reapers. The most talented of these may travel to the next plane, inhabited by Us Angels.]]". ". Yet, even if the [[spoiler:Producer]] Producer comes down from Higher Plane every so often for observational purposes, I'm still surprised why over the coure of two to three weeks nobody noticed that someone that isn't a Player nor Reaper interacts with things of the Game. A shopkeeper aware of Players outside the shop is quite new, isn't it? Yet no one investigated it. Even Neku starts to suspect something as late as in the third week. And he's met [[spoiler:Mr.H]] Mr.H quite often.
** ''Why'' would he be investigated? None of the Reapers know who he is. [[spoiler:[=WildKat=]]] [=WildKat=] is just a cover and doesn't get any customers besides Neku and Joshua, so really no one who would care would have had any reason to have even seen him before. Besides, [[spoiler:the Producer]] the Producer doesn't actually interact with the Game. He carries out requests for the Composer and makes sure that the rules are being followed, but it's illegal for him to do anything that would impact the Game. [[spoiler:That That didn't stop him from doing it anyway, but he was never caught and no one would have had any reason to suspect him.]]
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* Major FridgeLogic BrokenAesop moment here. The name of the game is ''The World Ends With You''. This is explained in one scene, and it basically comes down to "the world only exists as far as you perceive it; expand yourself and your world expands as well". The main goal of the game is to survive and bring yourself back to life ([[spoiler:and later other people as well]]). One of the most memorable speeches is even "I thought you couldn't afford to lose. Give up on yourself, and you give up on the world." So, with all of this said, ''what the hell is up with all the self-sacrifice''? Agree with it or not, the whole idea of giving your life for the sake of others amounts to making sure the world is better for everyone else. But... the whole theme of the game is that your world only truly exists as far as you do. The purpose of The Game is to make yourself better and continue to hold onto life for as long as you can. And yet every instance of self-sacrifice is treated as noble, and even the guy who gave the latter speech takes part in it. ([[spoiler:Well, except that he was clever enough to fake it.]]) This especially jars with the post-final boss scene, in which [[spoiler:Neku would rather allow himself to die than harm the one he partnered with, despite everything he had done. He literally faces down the guy who told him not to give up on himself and, before his eyes, gives up on himself. And this is portrayed as the right thing to do]]. ''Which is it, game?''
** You're thinking about it too hard. The message is "enjoy life while it lasts by accepting and valuing others", not "stay alive and screw everyone else as long as you're enjoying your world". Not acting in a self-sacrificing manner would be ''contrary'' to the game's moral, because the game is about Neku's transformation from a closed, selfish person to an open-minded person who sees value in the lives of other people. He goes from being someone who would [[spoiler:kill his own partner]] for personal gain to being someone who would rather [[spoiler:be shot by his own friend]] than [[spoiler:fire upon someone who had helped to open up his world]].
** Of course Neku should be more open and concerned about other people. Small personal sacrifices aren't bad, either. But consider some of the other scenes in the game. Eri was practically thinking of giving up on her fashion design future because she didn't think she could do it without Shiki there to bring her ideas to life... and Shiki had died. Beat beats himself up over trying to motivate Rhyme by talking about his personal (untrue) goals, because he ended up convincing her that he was someone worth dying for, costing her her own future. Do you understand? People should care about each other. People should be willing to trust each other. But you sure as hell shouldn't ''end your own world'' for them, and especially shouldn't be ''expected'' to. ''Live'' for other people, or at least with them. Don't ''die'' for them. (And just in case that wasn't enough, consider this little quirk. [[spoiler:If Neku had given his life for ''anyone'' during the course of the main game, the Conductor would have won. Good thing he was "selfish" for so long, huh?]]
** I agree; I don't think that people should be expected to be self-sacrificing or that dying for someone is some awesomely heroic thing, but the game doesn't necessarily share my morals. You do have a point, but realize that the only ones who really ''intended'' to die for anyone else could be considered aversions/subversions of the whole HeroicSacrifice schtick: [[spoiler:Rhyme]]'s actions weren't explicitly treated as noble by the other characters (IIRC), and they caused [[spoiler:Hanekoma to break the rules, general chaos in the form of her desperate brother, and left her without what she treasured most]], and [[spoiler:Joshua]]'s sacrifice was played off as noble but [[spoiler:was actually completely fraudulent]]. I believe that for the most part the characters ''were'' living for each other. Even with Beat, who did a lot of sacrificing, we aren't given any indication that he was intentionally trying to give his own life for anyone else's, as opposed to simply trying to protect them without giving thought to the consequences. [[spoiler:Until the very end, Neku never intended to die either--in fact he was quite tenaciously holding onto the prospect of staying alive. He still winds up putting himself into "heroic" or noble situations (like rescuing people from Taboo Noise), but he goes in with the assumption that he'll come out alive. When he finally did sacrifice himself, I interpreted it as more of an act of trust and friendship than him simply dying for someone else's sake.]]
** Well the game did treat Beat's jumping in front of the car instead of pushing Rhyme out of the way as a very foolish action.

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* Major FridgeLogic BrokenAesop moment here. The name of the game is ''The World Ends With You''. This is explained in one scene, and it basically comes down to "the world only exists as far as you perceive it; expand yourself and your world expands as well". The main goal of the game is to survive and bring yourself back to life ([[spoiler:and (and later other people as well]]).well). One of the most memorable speeches is even "I thought you couldn't afford to lose. Give up on yourself, and you give up on the world." So, with all of this said, ''what the hell is up with all the self-sacrifice''? Agree with it or not, the whole idea of giving your life for the sake of others amounts to making sure the world is better for everyone else. But... the whole theme of the game is that your world only truly exists as far as you do. The purpose of The Game is to make yourself better and continue to hold onto life for as long as you can. And yet every instance of self-sacrifice is treated as noble, and even the guy who gave the latter speech takes part in it. ([[spoiler:Well, (Well, except that he was clever enough to fake it.]]) ) This especially jars with the post-final boss scene, in which [[spoiler:Neku Neku would rather allow himself to die than harm the one he partnered with, despite everything he had done. He literally faces down the guy who told him not to give up on himself and, before his eyes, gives up on himself. And this is portrayed as the right thing to do]].do. ''Which is it, game?''
** You're thinking about it too hard. The message is "enjoy life while it lasts by accepting and valuing others", not "stay alive and screw everyone else as long as you're enjoying your world". Not acting in a self-sacrificing manner would be ''contrary'' to the game's moral, because the game is about Neku's transformation from a closed, selfish person to an open-minded person who sees value in the lives of other people. He goes from being someone who would [[spoiler:kill kill his own partner]] partner for personal gain to being someone who would rather [[spoiler:be be shot by his own friend]] friend than [[spoiler:fire fire upon someone who had helped to open up his world]].
world.
** Of course Neku should be more open and concerned about other people. Small personal sacrifices aren't bad, either. But consider some of the other scenes in the game. Eri was practically thinking of giving up on her fashion design future because she didn't think she could do it without Shiki there to bring her ideas to life... and Shiki had died. Beat beats himself up over trying to motivate Rhyme by talking about his personal (untrue) goals, because he ended up convincing her that he was someone worth dying for, costing her her own future. Do you understand? People should care about each other. People should be willing to trust each other. But you sure as hell shouldn't ''end your own world'' for them, and especially shouldn't be ''expected'' to. ''Live'' for other people, or at least with them. Don't ''die'' for them. (And just in case that wasn't enough, consider this little quirk. [[spoiler:If If Neku had given his life for ''anyone'' during the course of the main game, the Conductor would have won. Good thing he was "selfish" for so long, huh?]]
huh?
** I agree; I don't think that people should be expected to be self-sacrificing or that dying for someone is some awesomely heroic thing, but the game doesn't necessarily share my morals. You do have a point, but realize that the only ones who really ''intended'' to die for anyone else could be considered aversions/subversions of the whole HeroicSacrifice schtick: [[spoiler:Rhyme]]'s Rhyme's actions weren't explicitly treated as noble by the other characters (IIRC), and they caused [[spoiler:Hanekoma Hanekoma to break the rules, general chaos in the form of her desperate brother, and left her without what she treasured most]], most, and [[spoiler:Joshua]]'s Joshua's sacrifice was played off as noble but [[spoiler:was was actually completely fraudulent]].fraudulent. I believe that for the most part the characters ''were'' living for each other. Even with Beat, who did a lot of sacrificing, we aren't given any indication that he was intentionally trying to give his own life for anyone else's, as opposed to simply trying to protect them without giving thought to the consequences. [[spoiler:Until Until the very end, Neku never intended to die either--in fact he was quite tenaciously holding onto the prospect of staying alive. He still winds up putting himself into "heroic" or noble situations (like rescuing people from Taboo Noise), but he goes in with the assumption that he'll come out alive. When he finally did sacrifice himself, I interpreted it as more of an act of trust and friendship than him simply dying for someone else's sake.]]
sake.
** Well the game did treat Beat's jumping in front of the car instead of pushing Rhyme out of the way as a very foolish action.



** [[spoiler: He wasn't clever enough to fake sacrifice as he can't be killed by Minamimoto, he was clever to pretend to be erased and go play Tin Pin.]]

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** [[spoiler: He wasn't clever enough to fake sacrifice as he can't be killed by Minamimoto, he was clever to pretend to be erased and go play Tin Pin.]]



* What's with Higashizawa and Shiki's [[spoiler:envy]]? Why is it so important to him? Maybe all of the [[HurricaneOfPuns food dialogue]] is throwing me off, but I get the strong impression that he wants to [[IAmAHumanitarian eat her]] because of it. He calls it "delicious" and his "secret spice", and without it she is "stale". He also intends to "whip up a toothsome meal" out of her. Are character flaws some kind of Reaper delicacy? Why don't any of the other Reapers seem to relish Players' entry fees?

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* What's with Higashizawa and Shiki's [[spoiler:envy]]? envy? Why is it so important to him? Maybe all of the [[HurricaneOfPuns food dialogue]] is throwing me off, but I get the strong impression that he wants to [[IAmAHumanitarian eat her]] because of it. He calls it "delicious" and his "secret spice", and without it she is "stale". He also intends to "whip up a toothsome meal" out of her. Are character flaws some kind of Reaper delicacy? Why don't any of the other Reapers seem to relish Players' entry fees?



* You can use some pins outside of the battle, and you're visible in shops with tag graffities in front of them. Well, do the math''[[spoiler: - psychokinesis in the RG]]''. Plus, if Neku is invisible inside shops without graffiti, why doesn't he just steal all the items he needs in those stores?

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* You can use some pins outside of the battle, and you're visible in shops with tag graffities in front of them. Well, do the math''[[spoiler: math'' - psychokinesis in the RG]]''.RG''. Plus, if Neku is invisible inside shops without graffiti, why doesn't he just steal all the items he needs in those stores?



* [[spoiler: Kitaniji's game with Joshua]] lasted 30 days. The Reaper's Game covers 21 days, and Uzuki and Kariya mention that it's unusual for a game to go on that length of time, so we know that there wasn't another game the previous week. What happened during the previous nine days?
** The real answer is that [[spoiler:Kitaniji and Joshua]] sat twiddling their thumbs for nine days before starting the Reapers' Game, so that it would [[RuleOfDrama climax]] on [[spoiler:Kitaniji's last day]]. The {{handwave}} answer is that those nine days account for the preparation time that Game would have required. We know that Reapers' Games aren't run weekly, which hints that they take at least a few days to organize. That's to say nothing of the fact that [[spoiler:a Reapers' Game run without the Composer's supervision was unheard-of]], so it probably would have taken even longer to plan. That nine days also gives time enough for [[spoiler:Kitaniji to cook up an elaborate plan to save Shibuya and select his first Game Master]] and for [[spoiler:Joshua to find a suitable proxy while dodging Minamimoto's assassination attempts]].

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* [[spoiler: Kitaniji's game with Joshua]] Joshua lasted 30 days. The Reaper's Game covers 21 days, and Uzuki and Kariya mention that it's unusual for a game to go on that length of time, so we know that there wasn't another game the previous week. What happened during the previous nine days?
** The real answer is that [[spoiler:Kitaniji Kitaniji and Joshua]] Joshua sat twiddling their thumbs for nine days before starting the Reapers' Game, so that it would [[RuleOfDrama climax]] on [[spoiler:Kitaniji's Kitaniji's last day]].day. The {{handwave}} answer is that those nine days account for the preparation time that Game would have required. We know that Reapers' Games aren't run weekly, which hints that they take at least a few days to organize. That's to say nothing of the fact that [[spoiler:a a Reapers' Game run without the Composer's supervision was unheard-of]], unheard-of, so it probably would have taken even longer to plan. That nine days also gives time enough for [[spoiler:Kitaniji Kitaniji to cook up an elaborate plan to save Shibuya and select his first Game Master]] Master and for [[spoiler:Joshua Joshua to find a suitable proxy while dodging Minamimoto's assassination attempts]].attempts.



* Why does Neku say, "I feel like crap. This is just like that time... Wait, what time? Dammit... I can't remember." after [[spoiler:Rhyme gets erased]]? He lost his memory, what was he trying to recall?
** It's revealed in Another Day that [[spoiler:Neku had a friend who died and he feels responsible for it]]. Neku's entire attitude at the beginning of the game is presumably due to his inability to cope with that, and it affected him so powerfully that [[spoiler:Rhyme's erasure]] struck a chord with him even though he couldn't remember it.

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* Why does Neku say, "I feel like crap. This is just like that time... Wait, what time? Dammit... I can't remember." after [[spoiler:Rhyme Rhyme gets erased]]? erased? He lost his memory, what was he trying to recall?
recall?
** It's revealed in Another Day that [[spoiler:Neku Neku had a friend who died and he feels responsible for it]]. it. Neku's entire attitude at the beginning of the game is presumably due to his inability to cope with that, and it affected him so powerfully that [[spoiler:Rhyme's erasure]] Rhyme's erasure struck a chord with him even though he couldn't remember it.



* In what plane does Another Day take place? The RG? The UG? Why does Shiki [[spoiler: still look like Eri]]? How is Joshua able to [[spoiler: challenge Neku to the Final Time Attack?]] I suppose there's GameplayAndStorySegregation, but I would like to know if there are any possible explanations for what happens in Another Day.

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* In what plane does Another Day take place? The RG? The UG? Why does Shiki [[spoiler: still look like Eri]]? Eri? How is Joshua able to [[spoiler: challenge Neku to the Final Time Attack?]] Attack? I suppose there's GameplayAndStorySegregation, but I would like to know if there are any possible explanations for what happens in Another Day. Day.



** No person was legally taken as an entry fee, and so far as we are shown it can't be done -- given that [[spoiler:Rhyme was what Beat treasured most, but it was only her memory that was taken and not her self]], we can assume that pains are taken ''not'' to take people as entry fees. [[spoiler:Shiki was removed from the Game (but not from existence) under the guise of being Neku's second entry fee because Kitaniji could not return her to the RG, and since Neku was the only surviving Player of Week 2, we can't say that anyone's existence was tampered with for his next entry fee.]] In addition, the Reapers' Game that we see Neku play is exceptional and not representative of how the Reapers' Game is normally run; [[spoiler:the Composer was absent]], meaning that if anyone ''had'' been taken as an entry fee, it would have been technically legal because [[spoiler:all of the rules of the UG were temporarily invalidated]].

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** No person was legally taken as an entry fee, and so far as we are shown it can't be done -- given that [[spoiler:Rhyme Rhyme was what Beat treasured most, but it was only her memory that was taken and not her self]], self, we can assume that pains are taken ''not'' to take people as entry fees. [[spoiler:Shiki Shiki was removed from the Game (but not from existence) under the guise of being Neku's second entry fee because Kitaniji could not return her to the RG, and since Neku was the only surviving Player of Week 2, we can't say that anyone's existence was tampered with for his next entry fee.]] fee. In addition, the Reapers' Game that we see Neku play is exceptional and not representative of how the Reapers' Game is normally run; [[spoiler:the the Composer was absent]], absent, meaning that if anyone ''had'' been taken as an entry fee, it would have been technically legal because [[spoiler:all all of the rules of the UG were temporarily invalidated]].invalidated.



* What exactly is a Fallen Angel? [[spoiler: Judging by the ending, Mr. Hanekoma still seems to be the Producer. As Joshua probably doesn't know about Hanekoma's true involvement, he shouldn't know about the Fallen Angel business, so there seems to be no actual reprecussions to being a Fallen Angel. However, Mr. Hanekoma also mentions that he'll be reported on sight in Another Day, but if he is already known among Angels to be Fallen, then what is there to report him for? Or is he on the run? Then can't the Angels just get someone to replace him as the Producer? Does Mr. Hanekoma still rightfully have the job?]]
** The relationship between Angels and the Game isn't really elaborated on. IIRC the secret reports play the other Angels off as spectators and [[spoiler:the Producer works ''under'' the Composer]], so it was always my assumption that the Angels didn't have any influence over [[spoiler:Mr Hanekoma being the Producer. Mr H's presence in the ending is probably just because Joshua likes keeping him around, regardless of whether he knows about what he did (though the secret reports ''do'' mention that he's clairvoyant). But presumably he'll be punished for the Taboo business if any other Angels find him, what with him actively avoiding the Angel in AD.]] That does still leave the question of [[spoiler:what happens to the position of Producer if Hanekoma gets caught]], but the game doesn't provide us with enough information to do anything but guess.

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* What exactly is a Fallen Angel? [[spoiler: Judging by the ending, Mr. Hanekoma still seems to be the Producer. As Joshua probably doesn't know about Hanekoma's true involvement, he shouldn't know about the Fallen Angel business, so there seems to be no actual reprecussions to being a Fallen Angel. However, Mr. Hanekoma also mentions that he'll be reported on sight in Another Day, but if he is already known among Angels to be Fallen, then what is there to report him for? Or is he on the run? Then can't the Angels just get someone to replace him as the Producer? Does Mr. Hanekoma still rightfully have the job?]]
job?
** The relationship between Angels and the Game isn't really elaborated on. IIRC the secret reports play the other Angels off as spectators and [[spoiler:the the Producer works ''under'' the Composer]], Composer, so it was always my assumption that the Angels didn't have any influence over [[spoiler:Mr Mr Hanekoma being the Producer. Mr H's presence in the ending is probably just because Joshua likes keeping him around, regardless of whether he knows about what he did (though the secret reports ''do'' mention that he's clairvoyant). But presumably he'll be punished for the Taboo business if any other Angels find him, what with him actively avoiding the Angel in AD.]] That does still leave the question of [[spoiler:what what happens to the position of Producer if Hanekoma gets caught]], caught, but the game doesn't provide us with enough information to do anything but guess.



* Rhyme's a smart kid, why the heck would she [[spoiler: cross the street when it wasn't safe]]? I wouldn't say that it was a case of [[spoiler: careless driving]], it seemed normal to me.
** I'd like to think that she trip over and couldn't get up before she get [[spoiler:Runover with Beat.]]

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* Rhyme's a smart kid, why the heck would she [[spoiler: cross the street when it wasn't safe]]? safe? I wouldn't say that it was a case of [[spoiler: careless driving]], driving, it seemed normal to me.
** I'd like to think that she trip over and couldn't get up before she get [[spoiler:Runover Runover with Beat.]]
Beat.



** I like that theory, but there exists counterevidence. One of the Secret Reports discusses the Reaper "career track" from grunt to officer to Composer, then points out that most Reapers end up being erased by Players before they get that far. This raises a new question: [[spoiler:how? Prior to the third week's emergency call, only two Reapers had been erased. Both were [=GMs=]. Before that call, Beat was the only Reaper who physically attacked the Players, and Uzuki never acted like her life was at risk when she sicked Noise on them. Do these calls happen more often than we think? Do they count it as "erased by Players" when Reapers fail to get enough points to survive]]?

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** I like that theory, but there exists counterevidence. One of the Secret Reports discusses the Reaper "career track" from grunt to officer to Composer, then points out that most Reapers end up being erased by Players before they get that far. This raises a new question: [[spoiler:how? how? Prior to the third week's emergency call, only two Reapers had been erased. Both were [=GMs=]. Before that call, Beat was the only Reaper who physically attacked the Players, and Uzuki never acted like her life was at risk when she sicked Noise on them. Do these calls happen more often than we think? Do they count it as "erased by Players" when Reapers fail to get enough points to survive]]?survive?



* Why does the Producer [[spoiler:help Minamimoto and leave the fate of Shibuya to him, knowing he's just not enough to take down the Composer? Producer's the guy whose job is to report on the Composer, keep an eye on him and talk to him. He's got way back with Josh and he really should know what he's capable of. Seriously... so Joshua, presumably still being in his RG form, as Neku never sees him in some other (yes-yes, it's all in his head and other forms ain't really worth it for developers) and he plays Tin Pin with people, thus maybe still being in some restrainment, as he can't move from the other world himself while it's written like he's gone there himself, and he did make a deal of being downtuned for the game time, returns and just flies by the guy with all his revived power ups, not sweating at all! The party doesn't even hear any sounds of battle or argument within the echoing sewer! Well, they have a confusing battle of their own, okay, and Shiki is released right after Konishi is defeated, so it goes simultaneously... but pretty fast. Joshua doesn't even feel the need to kill him, having fun with his body instead, but he's spaced out good. I assume the Composer should know the difference between dead and not dead, if we are not to speculate the scene was just a show off and he vanishes the second we leave the screen or stays as a sadistic decor. The show off is actually nice not only as a karmic punishment, but how thoughtful you're given a solid hint on who's ahead, because Joshua surely has a way to do them heaps fast. How the hell, is my question, Minamimoto was supposed to win? Maybe if Hanekoma directly assisted him - but he wouldn't do so direct, would he? His power, probably, could manage Joshua, as he's a natural born higher being and needs to give Joshua a ride. And is a frigging ultimate boss, but he goes and picks himself a proxy too. It's a pity we'll never know how powerful Joshua is in his full, and who's stronger, Angel or Composer, though it's possible that their powers just differ and a loss of such battle in spite of presence of all other battles means that no, we can't defeat the Composer, making all this Minamimoto thing even stranger, though Hanekoma too does not fight himself I think, still having a boss noise individual and suitable name, and finds a proxy, so is he more than the Composer in a way the Composer more than the Conductor? But I don't actually think so, as his goal is not a fair play, there ain't one in backstabbing, but keeping Shibuya at any cost and he, I guess by report, have already gone as far off as angel goes, so if he could, wouldn't he try himself istead of dragging some pretty weak Pi-Face only for him to be outright defeated? Anyway. Hanekoma doesn't intervene in any of the ending stuff before Neku gets shot, and I doubt that's 'cause he knew all along Joshua's not going to destroy Shibuya anymore, as Joshua hasn't been watching progress all the last week and probably decided on Shibuya after the stand-off, and Hanekoma writes of hoping for Minamimoto and Neku just before he's getting Joshua back, already after contacting him. So, if Josh after getting rid of Neku starts to destroy Shibuya, Hanekoma refreshes Minamimoto and he saves the day? I can't get it! Is there some easy answer just I can't see if not it all being a videogame? And H's fall is a strange matter too. Any other angel would know his wrongdoing right away, but only by looking him in the face? Then he never now would go talk to any angel anymore and never would go to their realm, but from above or from other cities they won't notice and never come or call him? And why Minamimoto wants to be the Composer, anyway? To escape corporate meetings?]]
** Gosh I can't believe I just read all that, it was so long. Uh, I'll try to answer what I think was your question? I assumed that [[spoiler: Mr. H never really thought that Minamimoto would win against the Composer, but rather hoped that he would be enough of a distraction that Josh wouldn't be able to focus fully on his and Kitaniji's bet/evil plan/whatever. Mr. H couldn't outright oppose Josh, so throughout the game he's basically just taking small hidden measures to trip him up. I don't think Mr. H had any idea how the ending would turn out, but was hoping the chaos he was throwing into the equation would give Shibuya a chance.]]

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* Why does the Producer [[spoiler:help help Minamimoto and leave the fate of Shibuya to him, knowing he's just not enough to take down the Composer? Producer's the guy whose job is to report on the Composer, keep an eye on him and talk to him. He's got way back with Josh and he really should know what he's capable of. Seriously... so Joshua, presumably still being in his RG form, as Neku never sees him in some other (yes-yes, it's all in his head and other forms ain't really worth it for developers) and he plays Tin Pin with people, thus maybe still being in some restrainment, as he can't move from the other world himself while it's written like he's gone there himself, and he did make a deal of being downtuned for the game time, returns and just flies by the guy with all his revived power ups, not sweating at all! The party doesn't even hear any sounds of battle or argument within the echoing sewer! Well, they have a confusing battle of their own, okay, and Shiki is released right after Konishi is defeated, so it goes simultaneously... but pretty fast. Joshua doesn't even feel the need to kill him, having fun with his body instead, but he's spaced out good. I assume the Composer should know the difference between dead and not dead, if we are not to speculate the scene was just a show off and he vanishes the second we leave the screen or stays as a sadistic decor. The show off is actually nice not only as a karmic punishment, but how thoughtful you're given a solid hint on who's ahead, because Joshua surely has a way to do them heaps fast. How the hell, is my question, Minamimoto was supposed to win? Maybe if Hanekoma directly assisted him - but he wouldn't do so direct, would he? His power, probably, could manage Joshua, as he's a natural born higher being and needs to give Joshua a ride. And is a frigging ultimate boss, but he goes and picks himself a proxy too. It's a pity we'll never know how powerful Joshua is in his full, and who's stronger, Angel or Composer, though it's possible that their powers just differ and a loss of such battle in spite of presence of all other battles means that no, we can't defeat the Composer, making all this Minamimoto thing even stranger, though Hanekoma too does not fight himself I think, still having a boss noise individual and suitable name, and finds a proxy, so is he more than the Composer in a way the Composer more than the Conductor? But I don't actually think so, as his goal is not a fair play, there ain't one in backstabbing, but keeping Shibuya at any cost and he, I guess by report, have already gone as far off as angel goes, so if he could, wouldn't he try himself istead of dragging some pretty weak Pi-Face only for him to be outright defeated? Anyway. Hanekoma doesn't intervene in any of the ending stuff before Neku gets shot, and I doubt that's 'cause he knew all along Joshua's not going to destroy Shibuya anymore, as Joshua hasn't been watching progress all the last week and probably decided on Shibuya after the stand-off, and Hanekoma writes of hoping for Minamimoto and Neku just before he's getting Joshua back, already after contacting him. So, if Josh after getting rid of Neku starts to destroy Shibuya, Hanekoma refreshes Minamimoto and he saves the day? I can't get it! Is there some easy answer just I can't see if not it all being a videogame? And H's fall is a strange matter too. Any other angel would know his wrongdoing right away, but only by looking him in the face? Then he never now would go talk to any angel anymore and never would go to their realm, but from above or from other cities they won't notice and never come or call him? And why Minamimoto wants to be the Composer, anyway? To escape corporate meetings?]]
meetings?
** Gosh I can't believe I just read all that, it was so long. Uh, I'll try to answer what I think was your question? I assumed that [[spoiler: Mr. H never really thought that Minamimoto would win against the Composer, but rather hoped that he would be enough of a distraction that Josh wouldn't be able to focus fully on his and Kitaniji's bet/evil plan/whatever. Mr. H couldn't outright oppose Josh, so throughout the game he's basically just taking small hidden measures to trip him up. I don't think Mr. H had any idea how the ending would turn out, but was hoping the chaos he was throwing into the equation would give Shibuya a chance.]]
chance.



* When you fight Uzuki on hard mode and above, she can drop a pin entitled The Eyes Have It. I looked at the description, and it stated it's worn by female reapers [[spoiler:to win another's heart.]] I found that description fair enough, but...why does Uzuki drop that pin? [[spoiler: Whose heart does she want to win?]]
** Possibly [[spoiler:Kariya]], possibly some random Shibuya dude Neku's crew never meets, possibly she just [[spoiler:wants a boyfriend, period]].
** Fair enough explanation, but still. [[spoiler:It struck me as odd because Uzuki never hinted that she had this motive, save for one vague comment towards Kariya. Whereas Kariya drops a pin related to laziness, this pin seemed to come out of nowhere.]]

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* When you fight Uzuki on hard mode and above, she can drop a pin entitled The Eyes Have It. I looked at the description, and it stated it's worn by female reapers [[spoiler:to to win another's heart.]] heart. I found that description fair enough, but...why does Uzuki drop that pin? [[spoiler: Whose heart does she want to win?]]
win?
** Possibly [[spoiler:Kariya]], Kariya, possibly some random Shibuya dude Neku's crew never meets, possibly she just [[spoiler:wants wants a boyfriend, period]].
period.
** Fair enough explanation, but still. [[spoiler:It It struck me as odd because Uzuki never hinted that she had this motive, save for one vague comment towards Kariya. Whereas Kariya drops a pin related to laziness, this pin seemed to come out of nowhere.]]
nowhere.



* The level caps at [[spoiler:star]]. Why do you need to be protected from [[spoiler:level ''i'' flare]] if you're at max level? It wouldn't target you.
** I have one of two theories: either [[spoiler:"Level ''i'' flare"]] is just a name, and doesn't actually function like other [[spoiler:Level flares]], or that, since [[spoiler: ''i'' doesn't really exist as a number to begin with, it can target stuff that's not really a number either.]]
** The second one doesn't really work: [[spoiler: ''i'' totally exists as a number, just not as what is mathematically termed a "real number."]]

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* The level caps at [[spoiler:star]]. star. Why do you need to be protected from [[spoiler:level level ''i'' flare]] flare if you're at max level? It wouldn't target you.
** I have one of two theories: either [[spoiler:"Level "Level ''i'' flare"]] flare" is just a name, and doesn't actually function like other [[spoiler:Level flares]], Level flares, or that, since [[spoiler: ''i'' doesn't really exist as a number to begin with, it can target stuff that's not really a number either.]]
either.
** The second one doesn't really work: [[spoiler: ''i'' totally exists as a number, just not as what is mathematically termed a "real number."]]"



* In Another Day, you can [[spoiler: meet Hanekoma on the final floor of Pork City and battle him as a superboss. The dialogue before the fight with him notes that he came to the top of Pork City to check something, which is evidently a noise symbol. What exactly is the Noise Symbol doing there? Why is it visible in the RG? When Hanekoma mentions that it is "visible in this world too", is he referring to it being in the RG or it being in Another Day? And, most importantly, why is the Noise Symbol so important that he spent time in Another Day, during which he easily could have run into the alternate version of himself or any other Angel, just to check and see that it was there?]]

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* In Another Day, you can [[spoiler: meet Hanekoma on the final floor of Pork City and battle him as a superboss. The dialogue before the fight with him notes that he came to the top of Pork City to check something, which is evidently a noise symbol. What exactly is the Noise Symbol doing there? Why is it visible in the RG? When Hanekoma mentions that it is "visible in this world too", is he referring to it being in the RG or it being in Another Day? And, most importantly, why is the Noise Symbol so important that he spent time in Another Day, during which he easily could have run into the alternate version of himself or any other Angel, just to check and see that it was there?]]
there?
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