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* I remember finding this ''{{Jem}}'' joke funny, but FridgeLogic: wouldn't "[[IfYouKnowWhatIMean engage "engage in a little desegregation]]" desegregation" mean the exact '' opposite'' of a TokenMinorityCouple?
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* When she criticized ChristopherNolan for not using female villains in the DarkKnightSaga at the end of her Top 11 Villainesses video, she seemed to be remembering Batman the Animated Series through rose-tinted glasses in terms of interesting female villains. There were four main female villains, which is far fewer than the number of male villains that could be considered, two of whom (Harley and Talia) could not be used in the first two films because the male villains they're associated with had to be established first. Poison Ivy was a possibility, Catwoman we actually got for the third film (all though we didn't know that at the time). Sure, there were a lot of other villainesses like Baby Doll and Roxy Rocket - but did NChick seriously expect a major film with Baby Doll or Roxy Rocket as the lead antagonist? Also, this criticism seemed uncomfortably personal to me, she seemed to suggest Nolan has DaddyIssues, which seems excessive for an artistic criticism. She was calling out Nolan for not having enough females in his movies, not kicking puppies.
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** Also, you can't find the Dune review. Like, anywhere.
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** Why? This comes across as kind of hypocritical of her. In her Song of the South review she called Disney out for vainly trying to cover up a movie they were ashamed of, but then turns around and does something like this!
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* I remember finding this ''{{Jem}}'' joke funny, but FridgeLogic: wouldn't "[[IfYouKnowWhatIMean engage in a little desegregation]]" mean the exact ''[[MixedMarriage opposite]]'' '' opposite'' of a TokenMinorityCouple?
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* Yet another baffling "Did we watch the same movie?" moment for me. In her review of ''The Worst Witch'', she talks about how she doesn't like "Chosen One" movies (with the exception of Harry Potter) and cites KungFuPanda as an example. Again, did we watch the same movie? Kung Fu Panda's message was pretty much that being the "chosen one" didn't automatically make you "super special awesome". That you actually have to work hard and use your own unique skills to achieve your goals.
* Has she ever actually reviewed a real nostalgic movie? I mean, a movie that she liked when she was a kid and still likes. Not "I liked it as a kid, but I was stupid back then and liked stupid movies". Even Doug does stuff he currently likes every now and then.
** She gushed on TheLionKing in that Disney retrospective and did a tribute to ''{{Daria}}''. But remember it's not her character to be all fangirly; Critic's still basically a child with his heart on his sleeve, she complains about how human emotions suck.
* Has she ever actually reviewed a real nostalgic movie? I mean, a movie that she liked when she was a kid and still likes. Not "I liked it as a kid, but I was stupid back then and liked stupid movies". Even Doug does stuff he currently likes every now and then.
** She gushed on TheLionKing in that Disney retrospective and did a tribute to ''{{Daria}}''. But remember it's not her character to be all fangirly; Critic's still basically a child with his heart on his sleeve, she complains about how human emotions suck.
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* Yet another baffling "Did we watch the same movie?" moment for me. In her review of ''The Worst Witch'', she talks about how she doesn't like "Chosen One" movies (with the exception of Harry Potter) and cites KungFuPanda ''KungFuPanda'' as an example. Again, did we watch the same movie? Kung Fu Panda's message was pretty much that being the "chosen one" didn't automatically make you "super special awesome". That you actually have to work hard and use your own unique skills to achieve your goals.
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** This will have to be a YourMileageMayVary thing, because This Troper ''definitely'' agrees with the Chick. Yes, Po had to work to gain kung fu skills, but the fact is that "destiny" passed up on six or seven people who were ''already'' masters, who get beaten soundly by Tai Lung while Po, with only a few days' training, is somehow already better. And in the end Po beats Tai Lung with a move that Shifu already knew anyway, so what was the point of Po having to be the one to do it? "Chosen Ones" often have to work for it, but being "Chosen" still seems totally arbitrary.
* Has she ever actually reviewed a real nostalgic movie? I mean, a movie that she liked when she was a kid and still likes. Not "I liked it as a kid, but I was stupid back then and liked stupidmovies". movies." Even Doug does stuff he currently likes every now and then.
** She gushed onTheLionKing ''TheLionKing'' in that Disney retrospective and did a tribute to ''{{Daria}}''. But remember it's not her character to be all fangirly; Critic's still basically a child with his heart on his sleeve, she complains about how human emotions suck.
** This will have to be a YourMileageMayVary thing, because This Troper ''definitely'' agrees with the Chick. Yes, Po had to work to gain kung fu skills, but the fact is that "destiny" passed up on six or seven people who were ''already'' masters, who get beaten soundly by Tai Lung while Po, with only a few days' training, is somehow already better. And in the end Po beats Tai Lung with a move that Shifu already knew anyway, so what was the point of Po having to be the one to do it? "Chosen Ones" often have to work for it, but being "Chosen" still seems totally arbitrary.
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** Lindsay has a tendency to quietly take episodes she doesn't like down from the site. Rapping About Rape, The Fifth Element and Dune are all gone too. It's disappointing, but you can still find them on youtube.
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* Nostalgia Chick. In her ''TheSmurfettePrinciple'' video she had three references to Tropes, she even said "trope". Is she a troper?
** Apparently. Someone said as much somewhere else on the wiki; they spoke authoritatively and didn't have a username, so it was probably her. Claims she was a troper before she was the Chick.
** I'm guessing "reads the wiki entries" doesn't necessarily mean "a Troper". Sorry. Pedant.
** In his commentary on the FernGully review, Doug says they made such a big deal out of the BigLippedAlligatorMoment because Lindsay really wanted the phrase to catch on, and she was really happy when "it started being used by [=TV=] Quick website or something." I think that's us.
** Where's this Ferngully commentary that you speak of?
** It's in the Premium Area, that you get access to by donating your first born son.
** So it's an [[AllegedlyFreeGame Allegedly Free Website]]?
*** No. You don't have to pay for the majority of content, nor does this give you anything more than one person's rambling thoughts on an already-existing episode.
** Um, [[TVTropes we]] didn't invent the word "trope", you know. The Ancient Greeks used it.
*** Yeah, but TVTropes uses "trope" in a sense (which IIRC the Chick used) different from the academical one.
*** Different how?
**** For the sake of not pasting a bunch of crap here and cluttering the article, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trope_%28literature%29 here's]] the ThatOtherWiki article on the usage of "trope" that's closest to how TVTropes uses it. Its meaning is closer to "figure of speech" in academia. Our usage gets a one-line throwaway sentence: "In modern usage, "trope" often means "a common or overused theme or device: cliché."
**** TV Tropes still didn't create the TV Tropes definition of tropes, did it?
**** No, we didn't, not by a long shot. The recent insistence on the older definition is mostly ''because'' of this website; what's going on now is comparable to saying "irony" shouldn't be used to mean irony of fate (contradictory elements presenting themselves as though the fates were using irony of speech) or dramatic irony (elements introduced from the characters' perspective known to contradict the audience's). The word "trope" has been used in the sense of "consciously recurring element of plot or theme" for hundreds of years. Take a look at [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trope&diff=prev&oldid=8746940 this version of the page from before we came along]].
** Anyway, she's mentioned TV Tropes by name now in her review of ''Film/EverAfter''.
** As of 27 December 2010, on her blog, she says she "loves" us. "Most of the time." I think that settles it.
*** I think what settles it is when she said "egregious" in her The Little Mermaid review.
* Sometimes, after a string of entertaining, funny reviews, she releases videos that don't really say much. Cases in point- ''Ever After'', ''Earth Girls Are Easy'', ''Dragonheart'', and the ''Armageddon'' reviews. While she obviously put a lot of effort into the framing device, she doesn't actually sit down and review it (like, for instance, the Critic). While the Critic would go through the plot of the movie in detail and make plenty of jokes, the Chick would show some clips and occasionally make a comment. Now, I love the Chick's reviews, but I see that happen a lot.
** That's because she's been trying to step away from just being a girl version of the nostalgia critic. She doesn't so much review movies, instead she analyzes them and discusses some of the social commentary and whatnot behind it. It's just her style.
** Point taken, but in these, she doesn't even do that. The ''Dragonheart'' review was essentially "SeanConnery's a dragon".
** One of the most {{egregious}} examples was her [[Film/TheLastUnicorn Extemporaneous Last Unicorn]] review, which was basically "let's take a hike and not actually say anything about the movie."
** She's admitted herself that sometimes she'll be so tired and busy that she'll just phone it in and it'll come out bad. But there's also episodes like ''X-Men'' or ''{{Showgirls}}'' (to name a couple) that she puts a whole lot of effort into making.
* It just bugs me, well, that the NostalgiaChick isn't really reviewing nostalgic movies so much right now. I mean, yeah, I get that there is a ''point'' to what she says, but at the same time, I started looking at what she did because I was hoping that there would be a female point of view for certain movies. (Like ''TheSwanPrincess'' - I would ''love'' to see a review of that!) Instead, we get videos on the female:male ratio, and Disney Princesses (just in general). I mean, I ''get'' that's she done a lot of reviews, and that's awesome, I guess... I just wish she'd do ''movie'' reviews instead of talking about gender (in)equality in kids' cartoons... Am I nuts?
** That bugs this troper a little as well, but she lets it pass for two reasons: The first is that the Chick is enrolled in a Master's degree program at USC which is apparently taking up a lot of her time, thus not leaving her with as much time to think up reviews. The second is that with the SmurfettePrinciple at least, there was a pretty good reason for her to apply it to Nostalgia cartoons (as she put it, she herself was basically the knock-off female counterpart to the Critic). I also suspect that she did so many Disney cartoons at that time because ''ThePrincessAndTheFrog'' was coming out and thus a lot of people were talking about Disney princess movies. On a final note, this troper would also love to see ''TheSwanPrincess'' reviewed.
*** Thanks. I was starting to feel kinda guilty about being a smidge annoyed, but this turned this "ItJustBugsMe into a "I'm cool with that."
** Her MyLittlePony review seemed sort of aimless, she seemed uninterested, looked tired, and mostly just discussed the brand in general instead of actually review anything, maybe trying to make videos so close to finals is getting to her?
*** Seems to be it. In her new ''Showgirls'' review, she seems to be two seconds away from falling asleep in front of the camera. Granted some of it could just be her pretending to be alluring, but still, she seemed rather zonked.
***** The MyLittlePony review was apparently made around the time when one of her students died, so that might explain it.
***** D: Oh God, seriously? When did you learn this? (And I thought it was a great, funny review so good on her for that.)
** Fact is, that the SmurfettePrinciple and reviews on princesses in general ''does'' count as a female viewpoint, because quite frankly, all these stereotypes an injustices are things that most women pick up on in their lifetime, often in their childhood before gender roles start to set. Quite frankly, if the whole section was to be reviews made without any reflection on why the market is divided into mainstream and "girls" and everything that goes with it, it might as well be the Nostalgia Critic himself doing it. The gender perspective is not only part of Nostalgia Chick's niche, it's an all too often ignored viewpoint of many a woman.
** Apparently. Someone said as much somewhere else on the wiki; they spoke authoritatively and didn't have a username, so it was probably her. Claims she was a troper before she was the Chick.
** I'm guessing "reads the wiki entries" doesn't necessarily mean "a Troper". Sorry. Pedant.
** In his commentary on the FernGully review, Doug says they made such a big deal out of the BigLippedAlligatorMoment because Lindsay really wanted the phrase to catch on, and she was really happy when "it started being used by [=TV=] Quick website or something." I think that's us.
** Where's this Ferngully commentary that you speak of?
** It's in the Premium Area, that you get access to by donating your first born son.
** So it's an [[AllegedlyFreeGame Allegedly Free Website]]?
*** No. You don't have to pay for the majority of content, nor does this give you anything more than one person's rambling thoughts on an already-existing episode.
** Um, [[TVTropes we]] didn't invent the word "trope", you know. The Ancient Greeks used it.
*** Yeah, but TVTropes uses "trope" in a sense (which IIRC the Chick used) different from the academical one.
*** Different how?
**** For the sake of not pasting a bunch of crap here and cluttering the article, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trope_%28literature%29 here's]] the ThatOtherWiki article on the usage of "trope" that's closest to how TVTropes uses it. Its meaning is closer to "figure of speech" in academia. Our usage gets a one-line throwaway sentence: "In modern usage, "trope" often means "a common or overused theme or device: cliché."
**** TV Tropes still didn't create the TV Tropes definition of tropes, did it?
**** No, we didn't, not by a long shot. The recent insistence on the older definition is mostly ''because'' of this website; what's going on now is comparable to saying "irony" shouldn't be used to mean irony of fate (contradictory elements presenting themselves as though the fates were using irony of speech) or dramatic irony (elements introduced from the characters' perspective known to contradict the audience's). The word "trope" has been used in the sense of "consciously recurring element of plot or theme" for hundreds of years. Take a look at [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trope&diff=prev&oldid=8746940 this version of the page from before we came along]].
** Anyway, she's mentioned TV Tropes by name now in her review of ''Film/EverAfter''.
** As of 27 December 2010, on her blog, she says she "loves" us. "Most of the time." I think that settles it.
*** I think what settles it is when she said "egregious" in her The Little Mermaid review.
* Sometimes, after a string of entertaining, funny reviews, she releases videos that don't really say much. Cases in point- ''Ever After'', ''Earth Girls Are Easy'', ''Dragonheart'', and the ''Armageddon'' reviews. While she obviously put a lot of effort into the framing device, she doesn't actually sit down and review it (like, for instance, the Critic). While the Critic would go through the plot of the movie in detail and make plenty of jokes, the Chick would show some clips and occasionally make a comment. Now, I love the Chick's reviews, but I see that happen a lot.
** That's because she's been trying to step away from just being a girl version of the nostalgia critic. She doesn't so much review movies, instead she analyzes them and discusses some of the social commentary and whatnot behind it. It's just her style.
** Point taken, but in these, she doesn't even do that. The ''Dragonheart'' review was essentially "SeanConnery's a dragon".
** One of the most {{egregious}} examples was her [[Film/TheLastUnicorn Extemporaneous Last Unicorn]] review, which was basically "let's take a hike and not actually say anything about the movie."
** She's admitted herself that sometimes she'll be so tired and busy that she'll just phone it in and it'll come out bad. But there's also episodes like ''X-Men'' or ''{{Showgirls}}'' (to name a couple) that she puts a whole lot of effort into making.
* It just bugs me, well, that the NostalgiaChick isn't really reviewing nostalgic movies so much right now. I mean, yeah, I get that there is a ''point'' to what she says, but at the same time, I started looking at what she did because I was hoping that there would be a female point of view for certain movies. (Like ''TheSwanPrincess'' - I would ''love'' to see a review of that!) Instead, we get videos on the female:male ratio, and Disney Princesses (just in general). I mean, I ''get'' that's she done a lot of reviews, and that's awesome, I guess... I just wish she'd do ''movie'' reviews instead of talking about gender (in)equality in kids' cartoons... Am I nuts?
** That bugs this troper a little as well, but she lets it pass for two reasons: The first is that the Chick is enrolled in a Master's degree program at USC which is apparently taking up a lot of her time, thus not leaving her with as much time to think up reviews. The second is that with the SmurfettePrinciple at least, there was a pretty good reason for her to apply it to Nostalgia cartoons (as she put it, she herself was basically the knock-off female counterpart to the Critic). I also suspect that she did so many Disney cartoons at that time because ''ThePrincessAndTheFrog'' was coming out and thus a lot of people were talking about Disney princess movies. On a final note, this troper would also love to see ''TheSwanPrincess'' reviewed.
*** Thanks. I was starting to feel kinda guilty about being a smidge annoyed, but this turned this "ItJustBugsMe into a "I'm cool with that."
** Her MyLittlePony review seemed sort of aimless, she seemed uninterested, looked tired, and mostly just discussed the brand in general instead of actually review anything, maybe trying to make videos so close to finals is getting to her?
*** Seems to be it. In her new ''Showgirls'' review, she seems to be two seconds away from falling asleep in front of the camera. Granted some of it could just be her pretending to be alluring, but still, she seemed rather zonked.
***** The MyLittlePony review was apparently made around the time when one of her students died, so that might explain it.
***** D: Oh God, seriously? When did you learn this? (And I thought it was a great, funny review so good on her for that.)
** Fact is, that the SmurfettePrinciple and reviews on princesses in general ''does'' count as a female viewpoint, because quite frankly, all these stereotypes an injustices are things that most women pick up on in their lifetime, often in their childhood before gender roles start to set. Quite frankly, if the whole section was to be reviews made without any reflection on why the market is divided into mainstream and "girls" and everything that goes with it, it might as well be the Nostalgia Critic himself doing it. The gender perspective is not only part of Nostalgia Chick's niche, it's an all too often ignored viewpoint of many a woman.
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* Why is it that, when the NC makes a joke about autism, there's an uproar, yet when the Nostalgia Chick says VERY CLEARLY in her ''Enchanted Christmas'' review "I'm going to throw an autistic temper tantrum!" [[DoubleStandard no one says anything about it?]]. Is it just that she's a "hot woman" again?
** This troper saw people in the comments section of that review who complained about it.
** There's an uproar? really? All this troper saw was "LOL @ AUTISM" because Autistics are still Highly {{Acceptable Target}}s.
** I think the real question is "Why is it that people complain when someone jokes about autism, [[DoubleStandard yet they are cool with jokes about other handicaps and offensive material]] (aside from Mako apparently)?"
*** Whoa there. I never said that it was the most offensive thing she said. The point, which you must've missed, was that both the Critic and the Chick made autism comments, and only the Critic got flak for it. My stance would've been the same regardless of the subject. Should they use disability humor topically? Absolutely not, but they're going to, since it takes little effort to write and it gets laughs.
*** Maybe more people take the subject personally. This is a shot in the dark, but there are probably be more people online who have friends with disabilities like mild Autism or ADD than, say, Parkinson's disease, or more rare/severe things. (Which does not make the double standard right, of course.)
**** I think she should apologise for it, or you know at least fucking acknowledge that there are people who were offended by it. I guess I don't care fully because her show got markedly worse when she introduced her side-kick team, but... damn she shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.
** Forge the autism comment, this troper is just shocked that "This thing is worse than seven Holocausts!" went without comment. O_o
**** Yeah, [[Tropers/{{ptitletlypxope}} this troper]] has Asperger's Syndrome (which is generally classified as a mild form of autism) and he still considered the "seven holocausts" comment a ''lot'' worse.
** Are you sure? It sounds to me like "artistic temper tantrum".
*** Heard it a few times (because I really do love that review), it was "autistic" not "artistic". But while bad, it was a long while ago. Doug apologized for his comment, she didn't, how about we all move on now?
** As someone with Aspergers I can attest that yes, we (or at least I) DO throw bad temper tantrums.
*** As a higher-functioning autistic (a fairly misleading term, by the way), I do as well.
** This troper saw people in the comments section of that review who complained about it.
** There's an uproar? really? All this troper saw was "LOL @ AUTISM" because Autistics are still Highly {{Acceptable Target}}s.
** I think the real question is "Why is it that people complain when someone jokes about autism, [[DoubleStandard yet they are cool with jokes about other handicaps and offensive material]] (aside from Mako apparently)?"
*** Whoa there. I never said that it was the most offensive thing she said. The point, which you must've missed, was that both the Critic and the Chick made autism comments, and only the Critic got flak for it. My stance would've been the same regardless of the subject. Should they use disability humor topically? Absolutely not, but they're going to, since it takes little effort to write and it gets laughs.
*** Maybe more people take the subject personally. This is a shot in the dark, but there are probably be more people online who have friends with disabilities like mild Autism or ADD than, say, Parkinson's disease, or more rare/severe things. (Which does not make the double standard right, of course.)
**** I think she should apologise for it, or you know at least fucking acknowledge that there are people who were offended by it. I guess I don't care fully because her show got markedly worse when she introduced her side-kick team, but... damn she shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.
** Forge the autism comment, this troper is just shocked that "This thing is worse than seven Holocausts!" went without comment. O_o
**** Yeah, [[Tropers/{{ptitletlypxope}} this troper]] has Asperger's Syndrome (which is generally classified as a mild form of autism) and he still considered the "seven holocausts" comment a ''lot'' worse.
** Are you sure? It sounds to me like "artistic temper tantrum".
*** Heard it a few times (because I really do love that review), it was "autistic" not "artistic". But while bad, it was a long while ago. Doug apologized for his comment, she didn't, how about we all move on now?
** As someone with Aspergers I can attest that yes, we (or at least I) DO throw bad temper tantrums.
*** As a higher-functioning autistic (a fairly misleading term, by the way), I do as well.
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** This troper saw people in the comments section of that review who complained about it.
** There's an uproar? really? All this troper saw was "LOL @ AUTISM" because Autistics are still Highly {{Acceptable Target}}s.
** I think the real question is "Why is it that people complain when someone jokes about autism, [[DoubleStandard yet they are cool with jokes about other handicaps and offensive material]] (aside from Mako apparently)?"
*** Whoa there. I never said that it was the most offensive thing she said. The point, which you must've missed, was that both the Critic and the Chick made autism comments, and only the Critic got flak for it. My stance would've been the same regardless of the subject. Should they use disability humor topically? Absolutely not, but they're going to, since it takes little effort to write and it gets laughs.
*** Maybe more people take the subject personally. This is a shot in the dark, but there are probably be more people online who have friends with disabilities like mild Autism or ADD than, say, Parkinson's disease, or more rare/severe things. (Which does not make the double standard right, of course.)
**** I think she should apologise for it, or you know at least fucking acknowledge that there are people who were offended by it. I guess I don't care fully because her show got markedly worse when she introduced her side-kick team, but... damn she shouldn't be allowed to get away with it.
** Forge the autism comment, this troper is just shocked that "This thing is worse than seven Holocausts!" went without comment. O_o
**** Yeah, [[Tropers/{{ptitletlypxope}} this troper]] has Asperger's Syndrome (which is generally classified as a mild form of autism) and he still considered the "seven holocausts" comment a ''lot'' worse.
** Are you sure? It sounds to me like "artistic temper tantrum".
*** Heard it a few times (because I really do love that review), it was "autistic" not "artistic". But while bad, it was a long while ago. Doug apologized for his comment, she didn't, how about we all move on now?
** As someone with Aspergers I can attest that yes, we (or at least I) DO throw bad temper tantrums.
*** As a higher-functioning autistic (a fairly misleading term, by the way), I do as well.
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* Nostalgia Chick's reaction to the end of ''{{Mulan}}'' just bugs me. Here we have a probably 16/17(if not younger) year old girl who just fought in a war that doesn't allow women, defeated the BigBad, "regained" her family's honor, and now she wants to go home. What's wrong with that? I mean - RealWomenNeverWearDresses much?
** Tbh, I was more bothered about her aside comment on BuffyTheVampireSlayer at the end of her She-Ra review, about how the feminism is countered by Buffy's name. I might be wrong, she might love the series, but that threw me off a bit.
** In the ''Ever After'' review, it seemed that the Chick was more peeved that ''Mulan'' opted to go off and get married rather than take a position of wealth and influence by the Emperor. Of course, she also states in the same review that opinions on things like that basically boiled down to a person's viewpoint on the matter. For the record, the Chick said that she really likes ''Enchanted'' and ''Beauty and the Beast'', both of which have heroines that act pretty feminine and ultimately get married as their happy endings, so it's hard to say on her views of that particular trope.
*** My beef with that though is that Mulan ''doesn't'' go home to get married. She just decides to go home. Then the guy follows her there, but the movie doesn't end with them necessarily starting up a relationship. Just him staying for dinner. Yeah, the sequel added the whole marriage thing, but it wasn't made by the same people and is considered non-canon by like 95% of Disney fans. Can't really judge the movie's ending based on what a lesser sequel decided happened next.
*** Well to be fair, at the end of the review The Nostalgia Chick admits that in spite of all her little complaints she still can't help but enjoy the movie. So it's not like she ''hates'' the movie or says it's bad or anything.
*** This troper got the feeling that it was more she passed up an extremely prestigious job offered by the ''Emperor of China''. In other words, she had a shot at a very fulfilling and influential position and passed. Still, the complaint came more as a personal peeve on the Chick's part. As the troper above said, the Chick clearly did like the movie and the gender role message.
*** It might be the fact that the ending of her turning down political influence and a shot at becoming something important in order to run off and be a normal housewife was a little too close to the ending of ''Anastasia'', which also seriously irked Lindsay, only Anastasia blatantly left for a boy.
**** Um, who said anything about her becoming a housewife? She doesn't get married at the end.
**** ^ It's ancient China. It's not like there's exactly a lot of casual dating. They're gonna get married, this just goes without saying.
** Mulan turns down an offer for a prestigious job working directly for the Emperor of China, choosing to value family over a job opportunity. Whether she leaves a job to be with a husband or her father, that's the same trope. If that bugs The Nostalgia Chick, then it bothers The Nostalgia Chick.
** The point that's missing here is that Mulan didn't do all that stuff to prove that girls are better than boys, blah, blah, blah. In fact, she didn't even desire of being something more like the traditional Disney Princesses---she just wanted to protect her father and restore the family honor. Heck, she was all for finding a suitable husband in the beginning of the movie, however disastrous. She wasn't interested in politics or proving a point. It was all for her family. Trying to proclaim that her character was better off taking the Emperor's offer would've contradict everything she had done when she simply wanted to go home. Simple as that.
** Tbh, I was more bothered about her aside comment on BuffyTheVampireSlayer at the end of her She-Ra review, about how the feminism is countered by Buffy's name. I might be wrong, she might love the series, but that threw me off a bit.
** In the ''Ever After'' review, it seemed that the Chick was more peeved that ''Mulan'' opted to go off and get married rather than take a position of wealth and influence by the Emperor. Of course, she also states in the same review that opinions on things like that basically boiled down to a person's viewpoint on the matter. For the record, the Chick said that she really likes ''Enchanted'' and ''Beauty and the Beast'', both of which have heroines that act pretty feminine and ultimately get married as their happy endings, so it's hard to say on her views of that particular trope.
*** My beef with that though is that Mulan ''doesn't'' go home to get married. She just decides to go home. Then the guy follows her there, but the movie doesn't end with them necessarily starting up a relationship. Just him staying for dinner. Yeah, the sequel added the whole marriage thing, but it wasn't made by the same people and is considered non-canon by like 95% of Disney fans. Can't really judge the movie's ending based on what a lesser sequel decided happened next.
*** Well to be fair, at the end of the review The Nostalgia Chick admits that in spite of all her little complaints she still can't help but enjoy the movie. So it's not like she ''hates'' the movie or says it's bad or anything.
*** This troper got the feeling that it was more she passed up an extremely prestigious job offered by the ''Emperor of China''. In other words, she had a shot at a very fulfilling and influential position and passed. Still, the complaint came more as a personal peeve on the Chick's part. As the troper above said, the Chick clearly did like the movie and the gender role message.
*** It might be the fact that the ending of her turning down political influence and a shot at becoming something important in order to run off and be a normal housewife was a little too close to the ending of ''Anastasia'', which also seriously irked Lindsay, only Anastasia blatantly left for a boy.
**** Um, who said anything about her becoming a housewife? She doesn't get married at the end.
**** ^ It's ancient China. It's not like there's exactly a lot of casual dating. They're gonna get married, this just goes without saying.
** Mulan turns down an offer for a prestigious job working directly for the Emperor of China, choosing to value family over a job opportunity. Whether she leaves a job to be with a husband or her father, that's the same trope. If that bugs The Nostalgia Chick, then it bothers The Nostalgia Chick.
** The point that's missing here is that Mulan didn't do all that stuff to prove that girls are better than boys, blah, blah, blah. In fact, she didn't even desire of being something more like the traditional Disney Princesses---she just wanted to protect her father and restore the family honor. Heck, she was all for finding a suitable husband in the beginning of the movie, however disastrous. She wasn't interested in politics or proving a point. It was all for her family. Trying to proclaim that her character was better off taking the Emperor's offer would've contradict everything she had done when she simply wanted to go home. Simple as that.
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* The Nostalgia Chick's [[{{Disney/Hercules}} Hercules]] review. She said little about the music for one, and why she dislikes it. More importantly she talked ''very'' little about the relationships. The movie revolves around Meg, Hercules, and Hades. Not the plot. She said little about Meg and Hercules, Meg and Hades, Hercules and the centaur, or any of them individually.
** Except for when she went into detail about how the music didn't seem right. Wild sassy gospel choir music and Greek/Roman myth she said were too unrelated to each other to really make sense. And she did go into detail about how Meg is a complex character and her relationship with Hades is interesting and almost like a sassy friendship. She also talked about how Hades seemed to go by his word moreso than Hercules did, and discussed how Hercules is an incredibly bland character. And what do you mean by "the movie does not revolve around the plot"? What else is a movie supposed to follow, besides the ''plot''?
** I thought that the gospel choir was a nod to the Broadway musical, "The Gospel at Colonus," which combined gospel music with the idea of the Greek chorus as having a similar spirit, energy and spiritual importance.
*** If that was the reference, it didn't seem clear enough to work in the context of the movie.
** Except for when she went into detail about how the music didn't seem right. Wild sassy gospel choir music and Greek/Roman myth she said were too unrelated to each other to really make sense. And she did go into detail about how Meg is a complex character and her relationship with Hades is interesting and almost like a sassy friendship. She also talked about how Hades seemed to go by his word moreso than Hercules did, and discussed how Hercules is an incredibly bland character. And what do you mean by "the movie does not revolve around the plot"? What else is a movie supposed to follow, besides the ''plot''?
** I thought that the gospel choir was a nod to the Broadway musical, "The Gospel at Colonus," which combined gospel music with the idea of the Greek chorus as having a similar spirit, energy and spiritual importance.
*** If that was the reference, it didn't seem clear enough to work in the context of the movie.
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* Nella in the ''Grease'' review just bugs me. You really couldn't consider me much of a fan of her character to begin with, but that review is when I finally just couldn't take her any more. Nearly every time she appears it's just "grr, I'm ambiguously nerdy and angry a lot" and... that's it. If she does anything else, her delivery is so flat, and whatever she's involved in is barely even tangentially related to the review. I don't think it's even entirely her fualt, the Nella sequences are just a horrible idea and she's given a completely flat character to try to do something with them. The fact that she's in nearly every video now has more or less made The Chick unwatchable.
** YourMileageMayVary. She's in videos a lot because she's popular with a lot of the fans. Some dislike her, some don't. Taste in humor is, as it turns out, a matter of personal taste.
* Was anyone else a little bit bothered by the whole "We're not Spoony, we can't get away with it!" crack when they were talking about the Rapping About Rape controversy? It's a little unfair to blame the reaction on DoubleStandards, seeing as her usual RapeAsComedy jokes are widely loved. [[hottip:*: And as an aside, she and Doug came up with the idea of "Spooning With Spoony", episodes one and two respectively.]]
** She made any other RapeAsComedy jokes?
*** The Top Ten Disturbing And Inescapable Christmas Songs countdown had the sexual predator guy roofying her, the Enchanted Christmas review had her making a CreepyUncle joke and she has a RunningGag of thrusting her hips every time there's a rape implication, like in ''{{Mulan}}'' and ''EarthGirlsAreEasy''. And as far as I know, they were considered funny by the majority and had no backlash whatsoever.
**** Yeah, but the thing is, it wasn't a video ''about'' a rape joke, those were videos ''with'' a rape joke. It was just a joke about how many people online started freaking out over it. Much like their comment on it caused this.
**** Fair point, thank you. And like I said, it was just a little bit of bother that I can't really give a good reason for (I didn't find the "Rapping About Rape" video funny but the amount of idiots that called her a CompleteMonster for it was ridiculous and was far more than the twats that call Spoony sexist for "Spooning With Spoony 1") and the overall joke was ridiculously awesome.
** I don't think that it's that Spoony can get away with it due to him being male, it's just that Spoony is one of the site's most well-known commentators, duking it out with the Critic himself in Kickassia and '''becoming''' the Critic in his IAWL parody. Spoony can get away with quite a bit.
** YourMileageMayVary. She's in videos a lot because she's popular with a lot of the fans. Some dislike her, some don't. Taste in humor is, as it turns out, a matter of personal taste.
* Was anyone else a little bit bothered by the whole "We're not Spoony, we can't get away with it!" crack when they were talking about the Rapping About Rape controversy? It's a little unfair to blame the reaction on DoubleStandards, seeing as her usual RapeAsComedy jokes are widely loved. [[hottip:*: And as an aside, she and Doug came up with the idea of "Spooning With Spoony", episodes one and two respectively.]]
** She made any other RapeAsComedy jokes?
*** The Top Ten Disturbing And Inescapable Christmas Songs countdown had the sexual predator guy roofying her, the Enchanted Christmas review had her making a CreepyUncle joke and she has a RunningGag of thrusting her hips every time there's a rape implication, like in ''{{Mulan}}'' and ''EarthGirlsAreEasy''. And as far as I know, they were considered funny by the majority and had no backlash whatsoever.
**** Yeah, but the thing is, it wasn't a video ''about'' a rape joke, those were videos ''with'' a rape joke. It was just a joke about how many people online started freaking out over it. Much like their comment on it caused this.
**** Fair point, thank you. And like I said, it was just a little bit of bother that I can't really give a good reason for (I didn't find the "Rapping About Rape" video funny but the amount of idiots that called her a CompleteMonster for it was ridiculous and was far more than the twats that call Spoony sexist for "Spooning With Spoony 1") and the overall joke was ridiculously awesome.
** I don't think that it's that Spoony can get away with it due to him being male, it's just that Spoony is one of the site's most well-known commentators, duking it out with the Critic himself in Kickassia and '''becoming''' the Critic in his IAWL parody. Spoony can get away with quite a bit.
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* Disney vs. Dreamworks. Currently there are two videos that cover this topic. The second was more like something you'd expect, but the first is... stupid for a lot of reasons. Why exactly was a topic (marketing) given a whole video? Especially when it was basically about [[http://toxicated-kisame52.deviantart.com/gallery/?q=dreamworks#/d22ukyl this]]? Nevermind that the video was full of half-thought out ideas on "what attracts audiences" (and Nella) that didn't seem to make sense. Why was the NC thinking?
** It was an introduction video.
** Ofcourse Nella is in the video. She's one of the cowriters of the Nostalgia Chicks entire show, as well as Lindsey's best friend.
* Here's something that bothers me about some comments made about her: In the youtube comments for Nostalgia Critic's Ferngully 2 review, a lot of people are griping about Chick being "fat" and "less hot," now. Whining about it, even. Uhm...''so?!'' (Besides, she looks the same to me...that clip they showed of her just had her in different lighting, and she was wearing baggy clothes!)
** She even said this in her latest ThanksForTheFeedback, she gets far more judging of her appearance than the Critic ever does. Even on the forums the "she's the Goddess of TGWTG- no wait, she has her hair wrong she sucks!" is fucking irritating. [[hottip:*: I know fangirling can be irritating but we are nowhere near as bad as fickle fanboys.]] But really, its YouTube comments; they're going to phenomenally stupid at least 95% of the time.
** It was an introduction video.
** Ofcourse Nella is in the video. She's one of the cowriters of the Nostalgia Chicks entire show, as well as Lindsey's best friend.
* Here's something that bothers me about some comments made about her: In the youtube comments for Nostalgia Critic's Ferngully 2 review, a lot of people are griping about Chick being "fat" and "less hot," now. Whining about it, even. Uhm...''so?!'' (Besides, she looks the same to me...that clip they showed of her just had her in different lighting, and she was wearing baggy clothes!)
** She even said this in her latest ThanksForTheFeedback, she gets far more judging of her appearance than the Critic ever does. Even on the forums the "she's the Goddess of TGWTG- no wait, she has her hair wrong she sucks!" is fucking irritating. [[hottip:*: I know fangirling can be irritating but we are nowhere near as bad as fickle fanboys.]] But really, its YouTube comments; they're going to phenomenally stupid at least 95% of the time.
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* As much as I love her, and as much as I know that the trolls focus on her being female, does anyone get the impression that if you criticize her at all in the comment sections people immediately attribute it to misogyny? Again, I doubt that's her attitude as she blasted it when she was being Nostalgia Palin, but like with the response to the X-Men review; it's nowhere near a "boy's show" but just saying that she was brought in to do girly stuff can't be sexism, right?
** I don't read the comments, but that does seem cruel. Also, thats not how Nostalgia Critic or by extension the picked Nostalgia Chick(s). At first the two were reviewing things they remembered as a child. Being a boy in the 80s/90s [[GenderBender (I think)]] he didn't watch My Little Pony or the like. Lindsay, and by extension Kaylin and Krissy, were brought in as a new point(s) of view(s). When the criteria simply became the 80's and 90's for Doug, this changed. Lindsay followed suit and started reviewing in the 80's and 90's films, which became Cult Classics in the 80's and 90's, which could be her nostalgia. Well except for Showgirls.
** I have experienced the same thing in criticizing Ellis' review skills and choice of topics only to be called a misogynist. Way to disregard any actual discussion on the matter.
* That was wrong with Anastasia being with Dimitri at the end of Anastasia? Nostalgia Chick seemed to imply that it's because she's a princess marrying a commoner, but 1. that writes off many great romances, like Beauty and the Beast, 2. It's not like Anastasia has any political power. At all. Nostalgia Chick said herself that being heir to the Russian throne is meaningless now. So what did she have to gain from staying?
** If I recall correctly, Lindsay real problem seem to be that Anastasia ran off with a con man for all the audience know (how was he going to make a living after all that). My problem with that assumption, Dimitri was established to be a redeemed character who refused hundreds of rupees. Also Anastasia was the one who gave the final blow to Rasputin. I agree, why did Anastasia have to leave royalty to be with Dimitri? Why did Anastasia have to write a letter to her grandmother and run off with him?
** Because she may not have power, but she had influence. She had potential to have a political voice in a time where Russia needed a face after the soviet union sort of turned everything to hell. But instead of trying to rekindle a lost tie with her heritage, or even bond with the grandmother she never knew, she runs off with a man because screwyouRussia.
*** Fair enough, though I'll leave this by pointing out that Anastasia spent most of her life thinking she was a commoner, her one goal in life to find her family. No where along the movie have I seen her display any thoughts on politics or what she would do if she had influence. She just doesn't strike me as someone interested in being a political voice.
*** And the moment she does find her family, she ditches them without so much as a goodbye so she can go be with a conman.
** And while this can be taken with a pinch of salt because the Chick's character hadn't solidified at all back then, but she does have a tendency to be a bit of a RealWomenNeverWearDresses StrawFeminist occasionally. Lindsay's ranted about how girliness is seen as weak, the obsession with "strong" female characters and other things that the Chick has been guilty of, so maybe it's just that?
*** If I recall correctly, at one point she says "Why does there have to be a choice?" So I took her problem as being not "Why did she chose Dimitri over being a princess?", but "Why couldn't she marry Dimitri ''and'' be a princess?".
*** Because all she wanted was to find her family, not become royalty (or at the most a political figure). She found her family and figured out who she is, which was the point of the movie. There's nothing to say that she doesn't come back for a visit, or maybe she ends up living nearby; she might just not want to live the royal lifestyle.
** I don't read the comments, but that does seem cruel. Also, thats not how Nostalgia Critic or by extension the picked Nostalgia Chick(s). At first the two were reviewing things they remembered as a child. Being a boy in the 80s/90s [[GenderBender (I think)]] he didn't watch My Little Pony or the like. Lindsay, and by extension Kaylin and Krissy, were brought in as a new point(s) of view(s). When the criteria simply became the 80's and 90's for Doug, this changed. Lindsay followed suit and started reviewing in the 80's and 90's films, which became Cult Classics in the 80's and 90's, which could be her nostalgia. Well except for Showgirls.
** I have experienced the same thing in criticizing Ellis' review skills and choice of topics only to be called a misogynist. Way to disregard any actual discussion on the matter.
* That was wrong with Anastasia being with Dimitri at the end of Anastasia? Nostalgia Chick seemed to imply that it's because she's a princess marrying a commoner, but 1. that writes off many great romances, like Beauty and the Beast, 2. It's not like Anastasia has any political power. At all. Nostalgia Chick said herself that being heir to the Russian throne is meaningless now. So what did she have to gain from staying?
** If I recall correctly, Lindsay real problem seem to be that Anastasia ran off with a con man for all the audience know (how was he going to make a living after all that). My problem with that assumption, Dimitri was established to be a redeemed character who refused hundreds of rupees. Also Anastasia was the one who gave the final blow to Rasputin. I agree, why did Anastasia have to leave royalty to be with Dimitri? Why did Anastasia have to write a letter to her grandmother and run off with him?
** Because she may not have power, but she had influence. She had potential to have a political voice in a time where Russia needed a face after the soviet union sort of turned everything to hell. But instead of trying to rekindle a lost tie with her heritage, or even bond with the grandmother she never knew, she runs off with a man because screwyouRussia.
*** Fair enough, though I'll leave this by pointing out that Anastasia spent most of her life thinking she was a commoner, her one goal in life to find her family. No where along the movie have I seen her display any thoughts on politics or what she would do if she had influence. She just doesn't strike me as someone interested in being a political voice.
*** And the moment she does find her family, she ditches them without so much as a goodbye so she can go be with a conman.
** And while this can be taken with a pinch of salt because the Chick's character hadn't solidified at all back then, but she does have a tendency to be a bit of a RealWomenNeverWearDresses StrawFeminist occasionally. Lindsay's ranted about how girliness is seen as weak, the obsession with "strong" female characters and other things that the Chick has been guilty of, so maybe it's just that?
*** If I recall correctly, at one point she says "Why does there have to be a choice?" So I took her problem as being not "Why did she chose Dimitri over being a princess?", but "Why couldn't she marry Dimitri ''and'' be a princess?".
*** Because all she wanted was to find her family, not become royalty (or at the most a political figure). She found her family and figured out who she is, which was the point of the movie. There's nothing to say that she doesn't come back for a visit, or maybe she ends up living nearby; she might just not want to live the royal lifestyle.
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** For the most part, both she and Doug share a similar opinion that they don't really like doing reviews on movies that they generally really like or think were well made. It's more entertaining and easier to give lengthy critiques on stuff that is really bad, or things they enjoy but in a self-aware ironic way.
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** If we're including teenage years with stuff you liked as a "child": She reviewed the X-Men cartoon, TLC (not a movie or show, but still nostalgic for her), Kate and Leopold, Titanic, Showgirls (she admits to having a strange fondness for the movie), Labyrinth, and Mulan (and Disney in general). That's all I can think of, and with the Lion King and Daria example above, there's plenty of stuff she's reviewed that she likes.
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** She gushed on TheLionKing in that Disney retrospective and did a tribute to ''{{Daria}}''. But remember it's not her character to be all fangirly; Critic's still basically a child with his heart on his sleeve, she complains about how human emotions suck.
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* Has she ever actually reviewed a real nostalgic movie? I mean, a movie that she liked when she was a kid and still likes. Not "I liked it as a kid, but I was stupid back then and liked stupid movies". Even Doug does stuff he currently likes every now and then.
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* I'm a bit baffled...make that very baffled about the Nostalgia Chick's summary of ''TheFoxAndTheHound'' in her ''Top 10 Worst Disney Sequels''. Did we see the same movie? Because, she says that the whole story is a tragedy about how "society will inevitably tear friends apart" whereas I saw a bittersweet tale with AnAesop how "People change, and there will be times where your friendship will be put to the test, but nothing can ever truly break apart best friends". Yes, Tod and Copper end up seperated and both are living life without one another, but, they don't hate each other at the end of the film. If anything, the ending is more along the lines of "Hey, we may not be able to see one another ever again, but we'll still have our memories of when we played together" rather than "We're no longer friends, because society told us not to be.".
** She's exaggerating her opinion for fun. Like all those other times where she makes jokes about her over-analyzing cartoons or when she figured Rocky Horror was really about a tragic child molester.
** She's exaggerating her opinion for fun. Like all those other times where she makes jokes about her over-analyzing cartoons or when she figured Rocky Horror was really about a tragic child molester.
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** She's exaggerating her opinion for fun. Like all those other times where she makes jokes about her over-analyzing cartoons or when she figured Rocky Horror was really about a tragic child molester.
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* I would have listed it on DethroningMoment.ThatGuyWithTheGlasses but that page is locked. But at the end of the credits on her otherwise very enjoyable "Top 11 Villainesses" video, she goes on a rant about Christopher Nolan and how he must have Daddy Issues since he doesn't have enough women in his movies. Um ... issues with the beloved father who has a cameo appearance in all his movies? And where the hell does she get off making that assumption? "Not having enough women in his movies" is a legitimate criticism but there is no need to drag his family into it. And she was mad about "replacing Barbara with an 8-year-old boy"? Jim's relationship with his son is an important part of Long Halloween and Year One, two storylines the Nolan brothers and Goyer drew a lot from, all they did was age him up. Just, ugh, that was unnecessarily mean-spirited and smacked of DidNotDoResearch, and since it was on the end credits you can't say it was Nostalgia Chick being a bitch for humor, it was obviously Lindsay spewing bile at someone she doesn't know, because she doesn't like the fact there aren't enough members of the cast with vaginas in his movies. Sorry to rant but that just pisses me off - and not just because I like Nolan. I'd be just as put off by something similar spewed at M. Night Shyamalan or Michael Bay.
** YourMileageMayVary on that. This troper has read a LOT of Batman stuff, and a lot of stuff involving the Gordons - however hasn't read Long Halloween or Year One - and was baffled as to why the Gordons had a son at all in the movie. Jim having a son doesn't seem to be common knowledge, and the fact that Barbara got shafted for a male character in a movie that heavily ignores female characters and has the only main one get [[StuffedIntoTheFridge stuffed into a fridge]] to further another male character's plotline exacerbated matters. And as these movies are meant to appeal to a wider audience than comic fans, and Barbara is more known - especially having been on the Animated Series - which just made things look worse in comparison. It also seemed more like a throwaway line, not necessarily Lindsey's genuine opinion.
** YourMileageMayVary on that. This troper has read a LOT of Batman stuff, and a lot of stuff involving the Gordons - however hasn't read Long Halloween or Year One - and was baffled as to why the Gordons had a son at all in the movie. Jim having a son doesn't seem to be common knowledge, and the fact that Barbara got shafted for a male character in a movie that heavily ignores female characters and has the only main one get [[StuffedIntoTheFridge stuffed into a fridge]] to further another male character's plotline exacerbated matters. And as these movies are meant to appeal to a wider audience than comic fans, and Barbara is more known - especially having been on the Animated Series - which just made things look worse in comparison. It also seemed more like a throwaway line, not necessarily Lindsey's genuine opinion.
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** YourMileageMayVary on that. This troper has read a LOT of Batman stuff, and a lot of stuff involving the Gordons - however hasn't read Long Halloween or Year One - and was baffled as to why the Gordons had a son at all in the movie. Jim having a son doesn't seem to be common knowledge, and the fact that Barbara got shafted for a male character in a movie that heavily ignores female characters and has the only main one get [[StuffedIntoTheFridge stuffed into a fridge]] to further another male character's plotline exacerbated matters. And as these movies are meant to appeal to a wider audience than comic fans, and Barbara is more known - especially having been on the Animated Series - which just made things look worse in comparison. It also seemed more like a throwaway line, not necessarily Lindsey's genuine opinion.
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**YourMileageMayVary on that. This troper has read a LOT of Batman stuff, and a lot of stuff involving the Gordons - however hasn't read Long Halloween or Year One - and was baffled as to why the Gordons had a son at all in the movie. Jim having a son doesn't seem to be common knowledge, and the fact that Barbara got shafted for a male character in a movie that heavily ignores female characters and has the only main one get [[StuffedIntoTheFridge stuffed into a fridge]] to further another male character's plotline exacerbated matters. And as these movies are meant to appeal to a wider audience than comic fans, and Barbara is more known - especially having been on the Animated Series - which just made things look worse in comparison. It also seemed more like a throwaway line, not necessarily Lindsey's genuine opinion.
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* I would have listed it on DethroningMomentofSuck DethroningMoment.ThatGuyWithTheGlasses but that page is locked for ThatGuyWithTheGlasses.locked. But at the end of the credits on her otherwise very enjoyable "Top 11 Villainesses" video, she goes on a rant about Christopher Nolan and how he must have Daddy Issues since he doesn't have enough women in his movies. Um ... issues with the beloved father who has a cameo appearance in all his movies? And where the hell does she get off making that assumption? "Not having enough women in his movies" is a legitimate criticism but there is no need to drag his family into it. And she was mad about "replacing Barbara with an 8-year-old boy"? Jim's relationship with his son is an important part of Long Halloween and Year One, two storylines the Nolan brothers and Goyer drew a lot from, all they did was age him up. Just, ugh, that was unnecessarily mean-spirited and smacked of DidNotDoResearch, and since it was on the end credits you can't say it was Nostalgia Chick being a bitch for humor, it was obviously Lindsay spewing bile at someone she doesn't know, because she doesn't like the fact there aren't enough members of the cast with vaginas in his movies. Sorry to rant but that just pisses me off - and not just because I like Nolan. I'd be just as put off by something similar spewed at M. Night Shyamalan or Michael Bay.
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* I would have listed it on DethroningMomentofSuck but that page is locked for ThatGuyWithTheGlasses. But at the end of the credits on her otherwise very enjoyable "Top 11 Villainesses" video, she goes on a rant about Christopher Nolan and how he must have Daddy Issues since he doesn't have enough women in his movies. Um ... issues with the beloved father who has a cameo appearance in all his movies? And where the hell does she get off making that assumption? "Not having enough women in his movies" is a legitimate criticism but there is no need to drag his family into it. And she was mad about "replacing Barbara with an 8-year-old boy"? Jim's relationship with his son is an important part of Long Halloween and Year One, two storylines the Nolan brothers and Goyer drew a lot from, all they did was age him up. Just, ugh, that was unnecessarily mean-spirited and smacked of DidNotDoResearch, and since it was on the end credits you can't say it was Nostalgia Chick being a bitch for humor, it was obviously Lindsay spewing bile at someone she doesn't know, because she doesn't like the fact there aren't enough members of the cast with vaginas in his movies. Sorry to rant but that just pisses me off - and not just because I like Nolan. I'd be just as put off by something similar spewed at M. Night Shyamalan or Michael Bay.
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** I have experienced the same thing in criticizing Ellis' review skills and choice of topics only to be called a misogynist. Way to disregard any actual discussion on the matter.
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** She's exaggerating her opinion for fun. Like all those other times where she makes jokes about her over-analyzing cartoons or when she figured Rocky Horror was really about a tragic child molester.
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** She's exaggerating her opinion for fun. Like all those other times where she makes jokes about her over-analyzing cartoons or when she figured Rocky Horror was really about a tragic child molester. molester.
* Yet another baffling "Did we watch the same movie?" moment for me. In her review of ''The Worst Witch'', she talks about how she doesn't like "Chosen One" movies (with the exception of Harry Potter) and cites KungFuPanda as an example. Again, did we watch the same movie? Kung Fu Panda's message was pretty much that being the "chosen one" didn't automatically make you "super special awesome". That you actually have to work hard and use your own unique skills to achieve your goals.
* Yet another baffling "Did we watch the same movie?" moment for me. In her review of ''The Worst Witch'', she talks about how she doesn't like "Chosen One" movies (with the exception of Harry Potter) and cites KungFuPanda as an example. Again, did we watch the same movie? Kung Fu Panda's message was pretty much that being the "chosen one" didn't automatically make you "super special awesome". That you actually have to work hard and use your own unique skills to achieve your goals.
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*** As a higher-functioning autistic (a fairly misleading term, by the way), I do as well.
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** She's exaggerating her opinion for fun. Like all those other times where she makes jokes about her over-analyzing cartoons or when she figured Rocky Horror was really about a tragic child molester.
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* I'm a bit baffled...make that very baffled about the Nostalgia Chick's summary of ''TheFoxAndTheHound'' in her ''Top 10 Worst Disney Sequels''. Did we see the same movie? Because, she says that the whole story is a tragedy about how "society will inevitably tear friends apart" whereas I saw a bittersweet tale with AnAesop how "People change, and there will be times where your friendship will be put to the test, but nothing can ever truly break apart best friends".
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* I'm a bit baffled...make that very baffled about the Nostalgia Chick's summary of ''TheFoxAndTheHound'' in her ''Top 10 Worst Disney Sequels''. Did we see the same movie? Because, she says that the whole story is a tragedy about how "society will inevitably tear friends apart" whereas I saw a bittersweet tale with AnAesop how "People change, and there will be times where your friendship will be put to the test, but nothing can ever truly break apart best friends". Yes, Tod and Copper end up seperated and both are living life without one another, but, they don't hate each other at the end of the film. If anything, the ending is more along the lines of "Hey, we may not be able to see one another ever again, but we'll still have our memories of when we played together" rather than "We're no longer friends, because society told us not to be.".
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* I'm a bit baffled...make that very baffled about the Nostalgia Chick's summary of ''TheFoxAndTheHound'' in her ''Top 10 Worst Disney Sequels''. Did we see the same movie? Because, she says that the whole story is a tragedy about how "society will inevitably tear friends apart" whereas I saw a bittersweet tale with AnAesop how "People change, and there will be times where your friendship will be put to the test, but nothing can ever truly break apart best friends".
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** Mulan turns down an offer for a prestigious job working directly for the Emperor of China, choosing to value family over a job opportunity. Whether she leaves a job to be with a husband or her father, that's the same trope: FemaleSuccessIsFamily. If that bugs The Nostalgia Chick, then it bothers The Nostalgia Chick.
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** Mulan turns down an offer for a prestigious job working directly for the Emperor of China, choosing to value family over a job opportunity. Whether she leaves a job to be with a husband or her father, that's the same trope: FemaleSuccessIsFamily.trope. If that bugs The Nostalgia Chick, then it bothers The Nostalgia Chick.
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that isn\'t fridge logic, that sounds like complaining.
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* Is it just me, or is her recent review of ''TheLionKing 3D'' less about TLK and more about the 90s Disney animated films in general? It's a bit baffling to say the least. I mean, I watched the review because I wanted to know what she thought of the film itself in terms of plot, characters, acting, and whatnot. Not hear her go on and on about the Disney animated films of the 90s. The most she talks about regarding the Lion King are the stampede scene (and how she says it's more impressive in 3D), how she finds Timon And Pumbaa more annoying as an adult than as a kid, and rebutting common criticisms of the film. But, other than that, she hardly talks about it at all. If Lindsay wanted to talk about the 90s Disney animation, why not focus a whole seperate video on that instead of shoving it into a Lion King review?
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* Is it just me, or is her recent review of ''TheLionKing 3D'' less about TLK and more about the 90s Disney animated films in general? It's a bit baffling to say the least. I mean, I watched the review because I wanted to know what she thought of the film itself in terms of plot, characters, acting, and whatnot. Not hear her go on and on about the Disney animated films of the 90s. The most she talks about regarding the Lion King are the stampede scene (and how she says it's more impressive in 3D), how she finds Timon And Pumbaa more annoying as an adult than as a kid, and rebutting common criticisms of the film. But, other than that, she hardly talks about it at all. If Lindsay wanted to talk about the 90s Disney animation, why not focus a whole seperate video on that instead of shoving it into a Lion King review?
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** If I recall correctly, Lindsay real problem seem to be that Anastasia ran off with a con man for all the audience know (how was he going to make a living after all that). My problem with that assumption, Dimitri was established to be a redeemed character who refused hundreds of rupees. Also Anastasia was the one who gave the final blow to Rasputin. I agree, why did Anastasia have to leave royalty to be with Dimitri? Why did Anastasia have to write a letter to her grandmother and run off with him?
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** One of the most {{egregious}} examples was her [[TheLastUnicorn Extemporaneous Last Unicorn]] review, which was basically "let's take a hike and not actually say anything about the movie."
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** One of the most {{egregious}} examples was her [[TheLastUnicorn [[Film/TheLastUnicorn Extemporaneous Last Unicorn]] review, which was basically "let's take a hike and not actually say anything about the movie."
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*** Well, that's because pretty much the entirety of Spring Awakening's music is actually about sex. But There's only a few songs I can think of in Rent that I would describe as being about sex, with only Contact coming to mind, and maybe Out Tonight.
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*** Well, that's because pretty much the entirety of Spring Awakening's music is actually about sex. But There's there's only a few songs I can think of in Rent that I would describe as being about sex, with only Contact coming to mind, and maybe Out Tonight.
