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** Marvin IS paranoid, he's paranoid that everyone hates him. Which is pretty ironic since he's one of the most popular characters from the series.
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** I can't speak for the TV series, but the radio-series release uses a cover of ''Sorcerer'', cuts or alters the PinkFloyd bits (specifically, Marvin's humming is changed to only sound vaguely like something the band might release and Arthur's line is changed accordingly), and...um...really not quite sure what the BeeGees thing is, but my guess is that the song played backwards sounds little enough like the song played forward for it to be a non-issue. In any case, if ''FreaksAndGeeks''--which includes songs by TheWho, VanHalen, {{Rush}}, {{Styx}}, TheGratefulDead, TheMoodyBlues, and BillyJoel--can be released with it's soundtrack untouched, than I see no reason why licensing issues for PinkFloyd and the BeeGees should be ''that'' big a problem.
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** Which is why in the very next paragraph, it says, "Most leading theologians claim that this argument is a load of dingo's kidneys...." DNA was actually making fun of the simpleminded arguments some atheists use to disprove God.
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** Which is why in the very next paragraph, it says, "Most leading theologians claim that this argument is a load of dingo's kidneys...." DNA was actually making fun of the simpleminded arguments some atheists use "proof denies faith" idea to disprove God.begin with.
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** There's actually several instances across books of Arthur reading alien text just fine--"Do not press this button again", the novels on the depressing planet in ''MostlyHarmless'', etc--my personal theory is that for whatever reason the Babel fish just can't do cursive.
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****** I was talking about ''internal'' consistency. The movie should fit together properly with ''itself''.
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2. Each different incarnation (radio series, books, radio series, show) is SUPPOSED to be different from the other.
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*** Giving that kind of specific question makes sense in hindsight, but they didn't know in advance how Deep Thought would respond. The whole scene is a parody of the kind of faux-profound questions like "what is the meaning of life?" that people ask to try to sound deep - "what is the ultimate answer to life, the Universe and everything?" ''sounds'' deep and meaningful, but when you start to think about it it doesn't really mean anything.
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** I've heard this kind of appeal to faith used a lot by Christians as an explanation for why god doesn't just provide some kind of unambiguous evidence for his existence. If god showed everyone he was real, then everyone would just know it and wouldn't need faith, which is important for some reason, so the fact that there is no evidence is exactly what god wants; therefore god exists. The joke was basically taking this to its illogical conclusion.
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*** According to the commentary, they wanted him to look like his head was actually the size of a planet. As for the Teletubby thing, this troper has no clue what giant-headed, long-armed, faceless Teletubbies you watched growing up.
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** The theory I always had was that if they had Marvin saying his whole "brain the size of a planet" thing, most audiences would be confused. By making it kinda large and more rounded, the audiences who haven't read the novels will think "Oh, they mean the size of a small planet."
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** The main complaint I've seen is that the movie does away with a lot of the dry, subtle British comedy that embodies Douglas Adams and simply resorts to physical comedy/gags in a lot of scenes. This is justified; the tone set for the movie by the dolphin song opening is completely different to that of the book/radio series/TV series and basically is a huge warning label that Douglas Adams' dry wit has been heavily purged.
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** Well, you could argue that the laser knife heats up the entire piece of bread as it cuts. And the freshly cut surface should still be hot enough for butter or whatever. As for why you'd need a laser knife, look no further than ''StarTrek.'' Even with replicators there are still people who like to make food by hand.
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** Well, you could argue that the laser knife heats up the entire piece of bread as it cuts. And the freshly cut surface should still be hot enough for butter or whatever. As for why you'd need a laser knife, look no further than ''StarTrek.''Franchise/StarTrek.'' Even with replicators there are still people who like to make food by hand.
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* So in the original series Zaphod Beeblebrox arrives on Ursa Minor and enters the artificial universe Zarniwoop has created inside his office, where he's sent to the Total Perspective Vortex, escapes, and later travels back in time in the ''Heart Of Gold'' to get Arthur and Ford back from Earth two million years in the past. I can accept his story of how he got the ship back ("I got lucky") but how could he have gotten to Messrs. Dent and Prefect if they were in the "real" universe, and how did ''they'' get into the artificial universe in the first place?
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** No remotely sane non-Vogon lifeform in the universe wants to spend one nanosecond longer thinking about Vogon poetry that it doesn't absolutely have to. That includes Babel fish.
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** Basically, it forces your brain into the ultimate stack overload error. Which, given the design of the human brain in the Hitchhiker's 'verse, leads directly to irreparable hardware failure in your brain.
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** Well, in the usual AdaptationDecay, it's because you have a new director or writer adapting the original from whatever it was, and changing things based on a different interpretation of the material or message that he wants to send. With HHGG, Adams more or less wrote ''every'' version, and aside from the very basics of the premise (world goes boom, Arthur Dent ends up on the Heart of Gold), he deliberately made most of the story very different in each case.
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* Why do people think it's such a big deal that some of the story is different in the various different media? To my mind, the differences between the versions Adams wrote are nothing more than the standard sort of AdaptationDistillation that ''everyone'' does. It's only the posthumous adaptations by others that really play fast and loose with canon.
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* The bad reception the film got and the fact that people will say that it's rubbish compared to the Radio version. The thing is as with Series/DoctorWho and JamesBond there is no "Best version of h2g2" There is really only Your version, meaning the one that got you into the series. Plus all the complaints about the changes the film made to the story, even though most of them were made by Douglas Adams himself and that No two incarnations of the first part of the series are the same.
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** This was explained in the scripts of the radio series (and I believe some editions of the book). When Ford goes to legally change his name, he has it retroactively changed, so that ''his name was always Ford Prefect''.
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*** The computer planned the crash as part of the program. The Golgafrinchans were supposed to become the race to give the answer.
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** A Hillman Hunter is also a make of car, from the pre-Thatcher days when Britain actually had a car industry, so it could be he made the same BrickJoke as Ford Prefect.
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* How come 'telaport' is written in English on Hotblack's ship? (The babel fish doesn't translate written words, as Arthur couldn't read the writing on Slartibartfast's signature on Earth, as it was written in Magratheans)
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** It's possible that asking for "the meaning of life" wouldn't yield the result they were looking for, being that it is a computer. Better to be vague on the whole matter.
** "Life: An object with the ability to perform self-sustaining biological processes"
** [[Series/DoctorWho The problem with computers is that they're very sophisticated idiots.]]
** Besides, they didn't want to know the meaning of life. Heck, they'd probably already figured it out, being hyper-intelligent and all. The entire point of the Ultimate Answer to Life, The Universe and Everything is that they didn't actually ''know'' what they really wanted to know, just that they wanted to know it. So it might as well be 42.
*** Precisely. They may be smart, but they're apparently quite stupid too. (Hey, it happens. Book smarts =/= common sense.)
*** Yeah, but at first they just asked for "The Answer," which Deep Thought then asked "to what?" A better way to phrase their request would be, "Please give us a simple, intuitive general statement that any sentient being can understand and specify to itself in order to remove the necessity of ever asking any other philosophical questions, all of them being covered by the aforementioned statement."
*** Deep Thought would probably spend millions of years on it, then say "you gotta make Earth for that".
* YMMV, but I've never understood just ''why'' the Infinite Perspective thing is supposed to be so ridiculously depressing (to wit, so ridiculously depressing ''it kills you''). I've always found the thought quite cheering.
** Same here! But it is a common notion that one's happiness and self-esteem ought to correlate with one's sense of relative importance, and that in that particular area, IgnoranceIsBliss.
*** Well, YMMV, but as far as this Troper understands, it has nothing to do with self-esteem. It's just that the brain/mind cannot deal with the extreme dissonance between the scale of the world it has known so far and the true immensity of the universe. It's beyond the capacity of a mind to process. Quite frankly, if such a thing was possible in real life, this Troper expects 100% of the people plugged into it would come out brain dead, including the above two Tropers. There's no 'instant depression' involved.
** The Total Perspective Vortex is designed to shatter your self-esteem on all levels simultaneously. Part of what lets us keep going is the notion that we are all special at some level. The Vortex forces us to face the fact that we are, in fact, just an insignificant dot on an insignificant dot. Totally inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.
** Just because the universe is incredibly big doesn't mean that individual human beings are insignificant. To think otherwise sounds to me like a very depressing worldview to live with.
** Anybody can "know", on an intellectual level, the sheer vastness and scale of the universe. But we all delude ourselves into believing that we are more important than we are. The TPV strips away those defenses and filters that let us believe that helpful delusion. Hence, the full, clear, and total realization of just how tiny and insignificant you really are can utterly shatter your mind.
* I can understand SuddenSequelDeathSyndrome, but after practically having her own book, Fenchurch is simply wiped off the face of existence and then never mentioned again, not even by her lover?
** And yes, AuthorExistenceFailure and a CreatorBreakdown may have helped, but still, that's no excuse for such a massive bridge-drop.
* Random...just...[[TheLoad Random]]. And how Trillian somehow believes that because she got an artificial insemination that it's Arthur's responsibility to take care of her mentally handicapped, violent, and unbelievably unstable daughter. [[WhatTheHellHero What the hell, Trillian!]]
** Well, there's a reason Douglas Adams wanted to [[AuthorsSavingThrow write a follow-up to fix things...]]
*** Trillian wasn't exactly portrayed as justified in doing it.
** Because sperm donors have never been forced to pay child support in real life. Yet.
* Why is it that across the wide, infinite universe everything is measured in Earth Years if Earth is so insignificant? And I don't just mean from Arthur's POV, it's mentioned in the Guide and by Ford before as well.
** ...Maybe the Earth years are some kind of TranslationConvention for the (Earth-based) readers?
*** The Babelfish.
**** Exactly. If the actual unit of measurement is used, that means something has slipped by the fish. What I want to know is why the Guide is in perfect English when only a certain InsignificantLittleBluePlanet uses it. We know the Babel fish doesn't pick up written language, because in book two they see Slartibartfast's signature is in Magrathean.
**** Maybe Prefect was just carrying around an English edition for his personal use?
***** That'd be like bringing a French novel to read in Canada when you don't speak French or English. It's unlikely Ford even knows the basics of English, for all the research he did, so for his personal use he's more likely to have a copy in his home language.
**** In the first book, the Guide is shown to read out its information audibly. Given that the Babel fish can, quite clearly, translate PA systems, robots, and computers, it's not hard to imagine that it would be able to translate the voice coming out of the guide. This, however, does not explain why the keypad and the on screen read-out should be in English
**** Ford knows how to speak English, or how could he talk to the Babel-fishless humans on Earth? Plus, Arthur reads the entry on Vogon Constructor Fleets before he receives his Babel fish. And Ford says "fast-wind the index to V" when he's teaching Arthur to use it, so the index is even arranged by the English alphabet. Maybe the Guide can be set to many different languages, and Ford switched it to English just before handing it over.
** Earth is an artificial planet. It's likely that it's years and days are specifically designed to fit the UniversalUniverseTime.
** Also, English might be similar enough to whatever Golgafrichans speak that Ford was able to learn rudimentary English, monitor Earth communications to learns some more, then program the guide with the language option.
** Ummmmm, guys? Methinks that Ford would know English. He was living on it for 15 years.
* Having reread the series after the movie came out: How the hell could they ever possibly film a sequel? Nothing happens after the first book.
** Well, there is...but it's all talking about time travel, eating at fancy restaurants and talking with various god like entities. Not enough [[RatedMForMoney death for the average audience, I guess]].
*** I've often thought book three would do nicely as a movie. There's a lot more story structure to it, so there's less need to add stuff in.
*** [[VisibleSilence *Krikkit, Krikkit*]]
*** Book Three was ''originally'' written as a movie; a ''Series/DoctorWho'' movie. Then that didn't happen and Adams was left with this plot hanging around.
** How come? Book two catches up from where book one left, and then book three does the same even more obviously. Book four might not make it(even though it's awesome, just wouldn't make a good movie IMO), but there's plenty of material in the next ones(including the reason to the bowl of petunias' only line "Not again"). Then again, the way they ended the movie quite kills the mood for some reveals on the second and fourth books...
*** Send Arthur ''et al'' to the Restaurant At The End Of The universe, where they discover that the Krikkitmen are plotting to destroy the universe early and disrupt causality. As the gang tries to stop the plot, toss them across time and space, the B Ark, Slartibartfast, etc.
**** Unfortunately, given the pretty negative reaction to the movie by most of the fans and the subsequent box-office failure (the director of the first movie said in a recent interview that fans shouldn't hold their breaths for a sequel), we'll probably never know how they would have done it.
**** Don't forget that as a different incarnation of the H2G2 series, it is supposed to divulge from the other series. They could just add some more movie like plot points at whim.
* Speaking of the movie: It does NOT start with Arthur Dent waking up, as the narrator tells us. It starts with the dolphins singing.
** Correction: the narrator tells us that ''our story'' begins with a man. The dolphins don't really contribute anything to the plot--unless the next three books end up as movies, and even then the singing doesn't really do anything for the overall narrative.
*** The dolphin song is really just a badly placed mythology gag, for all it adds to the story.
**** That blunder, if it can be called that, is peanuts compared to the error in the radio series, which states that Arthur Dent is one of the minds behind the Guide when he didn't contribute so much as a full-stop to the work.
***** The series was being written as it was produced, so Adams probably decided on a different direction once the episode had already been finished. It was such a minute detail that he probably up and forgot to fix it in post. Which is more than you can say about the film, which should have its consistency errors all worked out before it's finished.
***** Dude, the movie is supposed to have "consistency errors" Its SUPPOSED to be different.
*** What's even worse is that the dolphin song is probably the best part of the whole movie.
**** YourMileageMayVary, natch.
* In TheMovie, Trillian shows Arthur a hole you stick your head in and think about what you want, and it appears, and a [[LaserBlade laser knife]] that toasts bread while cutting it. Wouldn't that be pointless if you already have the whatever-you-want machine?
** But the other side of the slice would be cold, and cooked to the last person;s toasting preference. Anyway, I think that the so-called "anything you want machine" was like Eddie's drink dispenser in the books: gives you either what your taste buds say you'll like, or a vague approximation of (i.e., "almost entirely unlike") what you ask for, and mostly sticks to thinks that can be poured.
** Well, you could argue that the laser knife heats up the entire piece of bread as it cuts. And the freshly cut surface should still be hot enough for butter or whatever. As for why you'd need a laser knife, look no further than ''StarTrek.'' Even with replicators there are still people who like to make food by hand.
*** And it's not as if having multiple gadgets with redundant technologies is unheard of. How many digital clocks are within arms' reach right now?
** The Nutri-Matic ''was'' in the movie; there's a very brief shot of Arthur taking a sip of "tea" and spitting it out. The "makes-anything machine" therefore makes the Nutri-Matic completely redundant, only thrown in as a gag to appease the fans.
** Since, in Trillians words, "it detects what you're craving", then maybe the machine will misinterpret the toast craving as some other burning thing.
* For years after I read the first book, I've been wondering... was there any clue I've missed about whose upper arm was bruised during the incident over Magrathea?
** I can't remember if this was in the book, but at the end of that episode in the radio series Arthur makes an offhand comment about the bruise on his upper arm.
** The two-tape version of the TV miniseries has the Guide say that it was Arthur who bruised his upper arm at the end of the first tape.
** When I was a kid, I figured that "upper arm" meant Zaphod, since he quite literally has one arm above another on his right side, and that the line about not revealing whose upper arm gets bruised was supposed to be a joke because Zaphod is the only one with an upper arm in the first place. Of course, the TV series explicitly says it was Arthur's bicep, so never mind.
* Why do people complain that the movie sucks because it's different from the book and "got all sorts of things wrong" when:
1. The book was different from the radio series before that and no-one cares.
2. Each different incarnation (radio series, books, radio series, show) is SUPPOSED to be different from the other.
They're basically complaining that the movie is doing exactly what it was supposed to do and it annoys me to no end. The movie was fine to me. *shrug*
* Why is Random's surname apparently Dent? Arthur was nothing more than an unwitting sperm donor, and when a woman has a child outside wedlock, the kid almost invariably takes the mother's surname, especially in the case of sperm donation. Shouldn't her name therefore have been either Random [=McMillan=] or Random Astra?
** I thought her full name was Random [=McMillan=] Dent, or possibly [=McMillan-Dent=]. But maybe that's just me. Do we have any evidence that she ''had'' a last name before Trillian dumped her on Arthur?
*** I've always thought that her middle name should be Axi. Think about it.
*** [[MadeOfWin You Win]]. Her name would be [[spoiler:Random Axi Dent (Random Accident)]] in case you missed it.
**** I was thinking the above writer meant axi as in axis of probability (the parenthesized part was unnecessary). That's just... brilliant.
** It's worse than you think. Random explicitly calls herself Random Frequent Flyer Dent, meaning that Trillian is such a huge bitch that she gave her only daughter a name that insults both Random ''and'' Arthur in one go. It's entirely possible that Random is making that part up, but she seems to be too busy being moody to summon any great snarking ability.
*** Any respect I had for Trillian was just lost at the reveal of Random's name. She has this kid so that SHE can feel like she can fit in, and when it doesn't work, she drops the kid off in a time zone daycare and just swans off to have her own life anyway. What's worse, the one tie Random has to anything (what with being a member of a species which only has three members) has not only left her behind, but has given her a quite hideously random name. Even if realising that Arthur was the father was a no-brainer, why give the kid his name if you intend for him to be completely absentee? From Random's point of view, it must have seemed straight out of the gate that Trillian felt no attachment to her. Frankly, I find Random's moody behaviour somewhat justified.
** "Child born out of wedlock invariably takes the mothers name". Really? My kids didn't (though it was a stable relationship). It depends on the nature of non-marriage/relationship, and the mother's cultural viewpoint.
* The rundown of the universe's statistics in ''TheRestaurantAtTheEndOfTheUniverse'' is funny, but it has a very basic math mistake. It says that if the universe is infinitely large, it should contain an infinite number of planets, but that since not all planets are inhabited, there must be a finite number of inhabited planets, and thus a finite total population. Dividing a finite number by infinity gets you "as near to nothing as makes no odds," so the average population of each world in the universe is zero; therefore, "any people you may meet from time to time are merely the product of a deranged imagination." This would certainly explain a lot about the universe, but it's fundamentally flawed. It's true (as we here on Earth can easily see) that not all planets are inhabited, but that doesn't mean a finite population in an infinite universe. Consider the natural numbers (1, 2, 3, 4, and so on.) There are, of course, infinitely many of them. Not all of them are even, and yet there are still infinitely many even natural numbers. So a universe with infinitely many planets could have both infinitely many inhabited ones and infinitely many uninhabited ones, for an infinite total population.
** That's the joke.
*** It possible this is related to well known puzzling facts from probability, such as the probability of a random real number between 0 and 1 being rational, algebraic, or computable are all 0 for a similar reason to this (there are uncountably many real numbers but only countably many numbers of each of those types). Although this can be taught to high-schoolers, I doubt that Adams was referring to it though. (A kind of converse to these statements is that the probability of a number being "normal" is 1, but no rational number can be normal and none of the well known irrational numbers has ever been proven to be normal.)
*** Don't forget that the editor who wrote that bit did so by blatantly plagiarizing a box of breakfast cereal, so the logic is probably intentionally screwed up to show just how unreliable the Guide really is. Even when the book was written, I'm pretty sure that we already knew that the Universe is not in fact infinite in its dimensions.
**** Actually, we're still not sure if the universe is infinite or finite in its dimensions. We can only observe a portion of the Universe (a circle centered at Earth with a radius of x light years, where x is the number of years since the birth of the universe), so we're not sure what lies beyond that circle of vision. We do know that the age of the universe is finite, for a variety of reasons. The easiest is deduced from the facts that hydrogen is constantly and irreversibly being converted to Helium-4 and there is still hydrogen in the universe. We still can say nothing about the finiteness or infiniteness of the other 3 dimensions of the universe.
**** Consider: The universe (theoretically) started from a singularity, which suddenly began to expand. Unless its speed of expansion was infinite, then there's no way that the universe's outer boundaries could have expanded into infinity.
* I know the paragraph about the Babel Fish and God is running on RuleOfFunny, but it's still a logical fallacy to say that God ''requires'' faith (which, in the Biblical sense, which Adams is presumably attempting a dig at, is ''trust based on evidence'', not blind unquestioning belief) to exist. His LogicBomb is a total dud.
** It's a humorous jab at fideism (see the other wiki).
** It's also not logically correct to assume that proof denies faith. If you're gnostic proof would supplement faith. None of that makes the phrase "disappeared in a puff of logic" less funny.
** I always assumed that it was a prod at the HollywoodAtheist-types who do espouse that kind of false dichotomy, especially as the originator of the alleged LogicBomb then went on to prove that Black was White and get himself killed crossing the street, IIRC.
*** Killed at the next 'Zebra Crossing' if I remember correctly. A very confusing British-ism for a young American kid reading the books for the first time.
** Adams would dispute the existence of any evidence. If there is no evidence all you have is faith.
** This troper has been told by practicing Christians that faith is belief ''despite evidence to the contrary''. If evidence confirms your belief, that is no longer faith, it's knowledge.
*** Um, no. This Troper is no practicing Christian, but the relevant definition of faith would be belief ''without'' evidence, not ''despite'' it. Belief ''despite'' evidence is just stubborn stupidity.
** Which is why in the very next paragraph, it says, "Most leading theologians claim that this argument is a load of dingo's kidneys...." DNA was actually making fun of the simpleminded arguments some atheists use to disprove God.
** Uh, guys? Screw this bullcrap. It's a joke, a'ight? Calm down.
* Why is Marvin always referred to as "paranoid" when he clearly isn't?
** Because "clinically depressed" doesn't rhyme with "android".
*** Marvin's also not an android in the strictest sense. Zaphod or Trillian probably just thought it up in a moment of whimsy.
**** No, but his full name is "Marvin the Paranoid Android," despite not being paranoid nor an android. Perhaps he was more so in his original concept.
*** Trillian describes him as "manically depressed", which is also wrong; he doesn't have manic phases.
**** She didn't say he's manic-depressive (bipolar); she said he's manic''ally'' depressed. That's the joke.
** Maybe Alanis Morrisette thought it would be ironic.
** Just because you're not paranoid doesn't mean the Universe isn't out to get you. Marvin's already well aware of that.
* So the Earth was created by hyperintelligent pan-dimensional beings, who took the form of mice and came to Earth to ensure that the program ran as it should. Fast forward a few million years, and the Earth's indigenous population is replaced by Golgafrinchan hairdressers and telephone sanitizers and what have you. Why in the flaming hell didn't the mice step in and do something about it? Surely they knew that the program would be compromised by the introduction of an alien species, yet they did nothing to stop it or fix the damage. I know they're not supposed to be omnipotent, but surely they could have done ''something.'' For that matter, why didn't they have some sort of safeguard in place to keep exactly that sort of thing from happening? In a universe full of spacefaring species, some of them either evil or just downright irresponsible, it seems incredibly myopic not to take some sort of precaution to prevent their billions-of-years-long experiment from being screwed up.
** The Golgafrinchans apparently look like the original beings, which is why Arthur mixed them up in the first place. The Mice might not have noticed (And since they all came from one ship, which was sunk under tar within a day, and it's implied they became primitive really quickly, the change might have happened while they were on Holiday)
** I always took the fact that the project was five minutes from completion, and the girl on the phone about to blurt it out, as suggesting that the Golgafrinchans died off (they were that dumb, after all) and human evolution continued as previously planned, seeing how the caveman is the one who almost gets the scrabble letters into the correct math phrase (though he gets the numbers slightly wrong, apparently cavemen think in base thirteen). Clearly the cavemen with that in their subconscious led to modern man, not the Golgafrinchans.
*** The implication, (and is explicitly stated by Ford IIRC,) is that the Golgafrinchans overtook the cavemen and became humans. The answer given by the girl on the phone would have been wrong because the experiment had been screwed up.
**** BTW, wasn't that girl Fenchurch?
* Disclaimer - I'm afraid I haven't read the sixth book and so I'm only going off something I read here, but a) why were the details of how Wowbagger became immortal revealed in 'And Another Thing?' when they made for a perfectly good NoodleIncident on their own and b) when they were revealed, why was it something so bland as 'he got a bit drunk and fell in the particle accelerator'?
** Because Eoin Colfer (while a good author in his own right) should never have been allowed to continue the series. I ignore ''And Another Thing'' as non-canon.
*** Adams is guilty of the same thing, the petunia's "Oh no, not again" on its own was very funny. With the Agrajag stuff in LUAE it just seems less random which seemed to be part of the humor of the "Oh no, not again".
**** I dunno, I didn't think it was less funny because I find that a large part of the humor of H2G2 is the author's intent. My Mileage Varies.
*** YMMV, my friend (but I agree, AAT should be [[DisContinuity dis continuified]]).
*** Aw, I found And Another Thing to be excellent. YMMV I guess.
* Putting aside my feelings about Zaphod Beeblebrox's portrayal in the film, and accepting the fact that movie!Zaphod would lose to a dingo's kidney in a battle of wits, why did no one ''else'' realize his plan made no sense? The video he had ''said'' that the Question was elsewhere, and the new computer was planet-sized, so going to Magerathea for the Question is pointless! Even if the people there knew where the Question was, 1. the place has faded into myth centuries ago so anyone there is probably dead, and 2. the fact that he asked Deep Thought shows that asking one of the natives was clearly not his intention.
** Just re-watched the movie, and it's actually pretty easy to figure out: Zaphod's recording ends ''just'' as Deep Thought is about to reveal the name of the new computer who is to calculate the new question. Even if no natives were left on Magrathea, Deep Thought hopefully would be, so Zaphod's original plan was to ask Deep Thought where this other computer was. However, by the time he actually ''gets'' to Magrathea, he's [[TookALevelInDumbass Taken About Five Levels In Dumbass]] thanks to his second head being removed, and can't even remember what his original plan was. Something about the Ultimate Question and a really smart computer? Oh well, he'll just wing it. He's Zaphod Beeblebrox, zark it, there's no way he'll make a fool of himself.
* In the first book, Arthur speaks of finding the demolition orders for his house "'on display'...in a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard.'" My question is, what the hell is "Beware of the Leopard" supposed to mean? Or is it just supposed to be a random non sequitur? That's the only thing I can figure, but the problem is that it's almost too random to really be funny because it doesn't connect with anything.
** I just assumed the sign was a total lie to keep people out. They're REALLY stretching the term "on display."
*** Or Arthur was just exaggerating.
** This Troper's question is a little different: Where on Alpha Centauri did they get a "Beware of the Leopard" sign? 'Cause This Troper wants one.
*** Not on Alpha Centauri, on Earth, at some zoos and any "Make your own sign" booth (the kind that have "Beware of dog", "Beware of cat", "Beware of [breed of dog/cat]", "Beware of [other pet species]", "Beware of [blank]", and "[blank]" signs for sale).
** I took it as a sign of how random and disorganized the whole office is, that their records are in a locked filing cabinet in an unused bathroom in the basement that, for whatever crazy reason, has a ludicrously irrelevant "beware of the leopard" sign on it. Maybe there was an escaped leopard at some point, or some worker just hung it up as a joke and then forgot about it, or the town once made a brief and ill-fated attempt to domesticate leopards as guard animals (in the Hitchhiker universe, you never know).
** Um... it's not funny because it's random? Why do you read H2G2?
** It's a jab at the ObstructiveBureaucrat tendencies in English government. They will simultaneously claim that plans were "on display" while taking every step they can to obstruct and confuse anybody who could do anything to stop the plans going forward.
* The bad reception the film got and the fact that people will say that it's rubbish compared to the Radio version. The thing is as with Series/DoctorWho and JamesBond there is no "Best version of h2g2" There is really only Your version, meaning the one that got you into the series. Plus all the complaints about the changes the film made to the story, even though most of them were made by Douglas Adams himself and that No two incarnations of the first part of the series are the same.
** This Troper couldn't have said it better. [[UnpleasableFanbase First they complained how different the books are compared to the radio series, then they complained how the TV series was rubbish compared to the books, and now they're bashing the film, as well.]] [[LoveItOrHateIt Either love it all or hate it all; make your pick.]]
*** You're assuming a Close To The Original/Not Close To The Original, without considering there is another axis; good/not good. I didn't think the film was all bad but I disliked it because all the goods had already been done three times (in film/tv/book) and all the new additions just didn't work. Whether or not the new additions were done by Adams or not is irrelevant.
**** "New additions didn't work?" Seriously??? There is a gun that, instead of harming the person you shoot, ''makes them see things from your perspective.'' At seven years old, in the back row at AMC Theater, my mind was blown by the profundity.
**** In the words of M.J. Simpson: "[[http://web.archive.org/web/20050410043910/www.planetmagrathea.com/longreview1.html Douglas was not the best arbiter of what did or did not work in various versions of Hitchhiker's Guide: much of what we love in the story was created by other people or at least by Douglas in collaboration with other people, and some of his own ideas were wisely dropped from earlier versions. So 'but Douglas came up with that bit himself' is not a valid rejoinder to any criticism of changes made from previous versions...In other words, from the audience’s point of view, it matters not a jot whether Douglas Adams wrote any particular part of this movie; it only matters that it should sound like he wrote it."]] In the opinion of Simpson, myself, and various assorted others, this was not the case. Plot changes are irrelevant, all versions have them. What matters is primarily that it's funny, and on a lesser note that character motivations are consistent across versions and a few key elements are still around. The movie, in my opinion, failed at this. (I don't agree with his entire review, incidentally, and a lot of it is nitpicking, but I agree with the major points of his argument.
** I had considered the Good/Not good opinion and have no quarrel with people who view the film as good or not good, the thing that bugs me is those who view it purely in the terms of Close To The Original/Not Close To The Original.
*** This happens with every book to film translation though. And I don't like changing "Ford saving Arthur's house by convincing the foreman to lie in front of the bulldozer via logical argument" to "Ford saving Arthur's house by distracting the crew with beer" because I think the former is Holy Writ. I think it's a bad change simply because the former is funny and the latter isn't.
** My Point is that the Movie wasn't meant to be close to the original. The Radio, Books and TV series all differ greatly in places and not a lot in others. Why wasn't the movie given as much leeway as the other incarnations were given? Plus the Ford/Foreman Logic thing, wasn't as good as the "I'll just pop off down the Pub While you hold up your end of the confict" solution used in the Radio series.
*** The movie wasn't given as much leeway because (and I agree with the above troper that M J Simpson hits close to this, even if his review is nitpicky) it arguably missed the entire point of Hitchikers, which is not an epic space quest or an epic love story but a series of incredibly funny sketches on philosophical themes. Why should fans give any slack to something that rapidly departs from this ethos, just because it has the 'Hitchikers'' brand on it?
* Why didn't Hillman Hunter adopt a more "Oirish" name? I know the meta reason is that his name is a nod to Ford Prefect but given how far he bases his public image on Irish stereotypes why doesn't he call himself Paddy O'Shea or something?
** Hillman Hunter ''was'' an assumed name, based on his grandmother's favorite Oirish comedian.
* Given how clearly Marvin's appearance is described in the books, can anyone explain why the movie (which I otherwise enjoyed) made him look like a Teletubby?
** Because.
** All the adaptations are supposed to have differences.
** Can't believe I'm standing up for the movie here, but: 1) The only discription of Marvin I recall is that his eyes are red triangles. They nailed that. 2) The books describe Ford as a ginger and Trillian as vaguely Arabic. If that doesn't bug you, there's no reason for Marvin to. 3) Tech marches on. Marvin's discription might've sounded cool by early 1980s-standards (I don't know, I don't remember it and don't have the book in front of me) but the film was going for a more [[EverythingIsAnIpodInTheFuture 2000s]] look, which is perfectly reasonable.
** I heard a rumour that the thinking behind the film Marvin's look was: the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation tried to make him look cute, but (as they do) got it ever so slightly wrong and ended up squarely in the UncannyValley.
* Deep Thought spent 7.5 million years thinking about the answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and Everything. He concludes that the Answer is 42. And then designs a new computer, Earth, to work out the Question. But surely Deep Thought KNEW the Question, or else he couldn't have known the Answer?
** 7*''x''=42 ''x''=??
*** And just to [[RhetoricalQuestionBlunder cut off the "6" answer that'll show up sooner or later]], the same point is behind many of the great problems in mathematics and physics. The answer's right there, often provided by observation, but figuring out the values and equations that'd make sense of that answer is the hard part. For example, anyone could observe the standard gravity on Earth by just picking up something, dropping it and timing it. That answer, 9.8 m/s2, is the answer to an equation -- figuring out what that equation actually ''is'' and how it connects to the rest of the universe is what made Isaac Newton so famous. Deep Thought did the equivalent of measuring the 9.8m/s2 value, but it couldn't figure out what it means.
* If the Babelfish can translate anything in any form of language, why did the Vogon poem still contain words like "freddled gruntbuggly"?
** There's no English-language equivalent is the most likely explanation. That, or the Vogons are just making up words to make their poetry worse.
* First headscratcher. I understand that the Babel Fish is an insanely good gimmick to make all spoken language, anywhere from any orifice, instantly intelligible to the listener. But it doesn't explain why Arthur becomes instantly fluent in ''reading'' alien languages. Think about this for a moment: a written text on an alien ship's control panel is not likely to be written in the Roman alphabet nor is it likely to be in English. Indeed, Earth alone has (had?) hundreds of different conventional systems for transcribing language - Roman, Greek, Cyrillic, Ogham, Nordic runes, Canton Chinese, Thai, Hindi, Korean... the Galaxy must have infinitely more. And ''reading'' a language is an eye-to-brain thing - a fish in the ear intercepting the ear-to-brain process of listening and comprehending cannot possibly affect this. So how can Arthur suddenly read ''"Do not push this button again"'', or the inscriptions in the suspended animation tanks on the Golgafrincham Ark?
** Arthur also reads the Bartledanian books in ''Mostly Harmless'', the safety procedures on the interstellar flights earlier in the book, the pamphlets for the planet of oracles he visited and so on. If it's not the Babel Fish somehow doing its thing, or some bit of standard galactic tech that automatically matches up languages with observers, then I'd blame it on Arthur and Trillian having been at the epicenter of the Infinite Improbability Drive's activation several times. How improbable is it that, once he's picked up by the Heart of Gold, every interstellar language Arthur will ever come across during his adventures will just happen to match English? The odds are insane, but since it's not ''technically'' impossible...
* Second headscratcher. It is explained elsewhere that a big reason why so many series have not seen release on video/DVD, or have been butchered on release, is the fabuluous cost of paying musical royalties on other people's copyright songs. I can appreciate that. But the BBC has released every episode of the radio series on cassette, despite the radio show being chocca with borrowed, lifted and sampled tracks. Even the theme tune, ''Journey of the Sorcerer'', is an Eagles track; Pink Floyd instrumental is extensively borrowed; and to cap it all, the Alien Disco dance song, that sublimely horrible thing, is a BeeGees track ''Stayin Alive'' played backwards. Surely the licence costs payable to three big acts should be crippling?
** I can't speak for the TV series, but the radio-series release uses a cover of ''Sorcerer'', cuts or alters the PinkFloyd bits (specifically, Marvin's humming is changed to only sound vaguely like something the band might release and Arthur's line is changed accordingly), and...um...really not quite sure what the BeeGees thing is, but my guess is that the song played backwards sounds little enough like the song played forward for it to be a non-issue. In any case, if ''FreaksAndGeeks''--which includes songs by TheWho, VanHalen, {{Rush}}, {{Styx}}, TheGratefulDead, TheMoodyBlues, and BillyJoel--can be released with it's soundtrack untouched, than I see no reason why licensing issues for PinkFloyd and the BeeGees should be ''that'' big a problem.
** Are you saying you want the TV series on video? First of all, I'm pretty sure it's out there, as that's the first form of H2G2 I was introduced to. Second of all, [[YourMileageMayVary WHY?]]
*** It is out there, I own it, it's quite good. Yeah, music got stripped out in places.
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