History Headscratchers / TheForceUnleashed

** Vader knows about Force Lightning via his own experiences from the Clone War and serving under Palpatine. Not being able to use it doesn’t mean he couldn’t describe it to Galen/Starkiller. Furthermore, he has access to the largest library of Force knowledge in the galaxy at that point in time. I’m sure plenty of holocrons cover Force Lightning. Finally, it could also just be instinctive. Jacen Solo and Jaina Solo both come to mind as Force Users who randomly used Force Lightning during times of stress, when they’d never showcased the ability beforehand. Starkiller might have discovered it the same way during a training session with Vader.

* Galen pulling a Star Destroyer out of the sky. Seen by some as a CrowningMomentOfAwesome, seen by me a Dethroning Moment of {{Narm}}. I know that Yoda said size doesn't matter, but if that was really true, the Clone Wars would have been a cakewalk. Every space battle would have just consisted of a few Jedi flying under heavy escort around the various Separatist capital ships and ripping them apart with the Force. And yeah, I get it, Galen's supposed to be one of the most powerful Force users ever, but the entire Skywalker line was supposed to be right at the top, and none of them could pull off anything even remotely close to that.

*** There's also StoryAndGameplaySegregation to consider. The canon policy at the time was that, while a video game's ''story'' may be canon, the ''game mechanics'' are not. So [[VideoGame/DarkForces Kyle Katarn]] did steal the Death Star plans and went on to stop the Empire's Dark Trooper project, he didn't do so with a personal shield generator that let him take a zillion blaster shots to the face and not notice, and despite all the games that give bog-standard Imperial TIE Fighters shields and/or missile launchers for balance purposes, those ships never had those systems canonically. The developers of both games flat-out stated that the level of Force use seen in the films is canon, and the game ramps it up well past [[UpToEleven eleven]] in the interests of RuleOfCool and CrowningMomentOfAwesome, and "kicking someone's ass with the Force."

!!Why is Starkiller considered a GodModeSue?

* As far as Franchise/StarWars powerhouses go, [[VideoGame/DarkForcesSaga Kyle Katarn]] was pretty much invincible once he got [[GameBreaker Force Protection]], and both [[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic Revan]] and [[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublicIITheSithLords The Exile]] were beasts in [[MagicKnight the use of the Force AND skill with a lightsaber]]. The Apprentice pales in comparison to the aforementioned Jedi Knights, and they were not branded {{God Mode Sue}}s.

*** I was saying that the added saber makes the new ''game'' district from the other while allowing Starkiller to keep his trademarked backhand fighting style. It's a style most have never seen before making the game unique. Personally, I really don't get all the Sue accusations when he was created principally for the enjoyment of the player not to fulfill author wish fulfillment. Over the top powers are common in video games.

** Oddly enough, though, in ''VideoGame/StarWarsBattlefront: Elite Squadron'', the main character is a Force-sensitive clone of a Jedi knight-- ''and Rahm Kota commands him in one level.'' Presumably, that level must have taken place after TFU 2.

** Do you ''really'' think the Emperor would tell them, "Hey, fyi, if you want to destroy the Death Star, this is what you must do..." He's so GenreSavvy that he won't even include something like "You Rebel scum likely will never notice the thermal shaft that we left open up on the surface."

* Starkiller's lack of [[DarkSide Dark Sidedness]]. He was raised from childhood by one of the cruelest beings in the galaxy, but at no point in the game does he even seem moderately evil, or even twisted. The darkest he gets is slightly grim. Yeah, he kills a lot of people without remorse or hesitation, but so does Kyle Katarn. I ''know'' that choice plays a huge role in the BlackAndWhiteMorality of StarWars, but this is just ludicrous.

** We'll have to wait for StarWarsRebels to find out.

** Still, Vader spends years and years constructing something even more powerful than himself, and ultimately uses him to lure out the Empire's enemies before disposing of him. Even from a purely pragmatic standpoint, and assuming his "I do not expect you to survive" comment was encouragement, that's pretty dumb. Getting rid of the Empire's most powerful enemies is certainly a worthy cause, but they hadn't even formed an alliance yet, so it'd be easy for others to take their place.

*** To be fair, the original Jorus C'Baoth (note one "u" versus the clone's two) wasn't much better. He outright considered himself above non-Jedi, was desperate to mount a mission to another galaxy for no good reason (there are still plenty of undiscovered systems in ''this'' one), and, when push came to shove, crossed the line into the Dark Side by trying to Force-choke Thrawn (who wasn't evil yet). Basically, it was Jorus C'baoth's fault that the ''OutboundFlight'' was destroyed with nearly all hands. That his clone turned out to be crazy wasn't much of a surprise.
** Oddly enough, though, in ''StarWarsBattlefront: Elite Squadron'', the main character is a Force-sensitive clone of a Jedi knight-- ''and Rahm Kota commands him in one level.'' Presumably, that level must have taken place after TFU 2.

** I'd have to agree that this is one of the stories where Star Wars' insistence on black and white morality comes to bite it in the ass. The moment Anakin turned, even though he did so reluctantly and only to save his loved ones, he became a child murdering, planet blowing upping demon, but Starkiller, who was raised by him, isn't remotely sadistic or even loyal to the Empire. That said, Starkiller's turn kind of does have to work for the apparent moral of nature vs nurture to pan out. Also, considering how cold and distant Vader is, its hard to imagine him being all that effective a parent (even at what he was trying to be). He may have taught Galen the force and the lightsaber, but everything that Galen does can still be done by Jedi (ask Katarn), and he probably had more caring droids like Proxy do the rest.

** Vader probably kept Starkiller at arm's length on an emotional level. Right from the very start, he planned to use him as a tool, nothing more. The rips and cuts on Starkiller's first outfit certainly implies some abuse was involved in his training. It's also possible that when he learned his son was still alive, he actively ''wanted'' a good relationship with him, simply because he was all that was left of Padmé. It's also possible that they may have had some connection through the Force due to their relation.

* How come Darth Desolous and Darth Phobos aren't in the PS3/XBOX 360 versions? Facing them with superior animation would have been awesome.

*** In one of the Clone Wars cartoons Yoda pushes two Multi-Troop Transport (the ones that off-load droids in Phantom Menace) bact to the transport ship that landed them and then crashes the transport to another transport using the force.

** We'll have to wait for StarWarsRebels to find out.

!!Recently, I know they said the game's canon for the formation of the rebellion is no longer canon.....
* Does that mean that everything in game is no longer canon, such as Shaak Tii's death and Galen himself?

* As far as StarWars powerhouses go, [[DarkForcesSaga Kyle Katarn]] was pretty much invincible once he got [[GameBreaker Force Protection]], and both [[KnightsOfTheOldRepublic Revan and The Exile]] were beasts in [[MagicKnight the use of the force AND skill with a lightsaber]]. The Apprentice pales in comparisson to the aforementioned Jedi Knights, and they were not branded {{God Mode Sue}}s

** Leia in ''A New Hope" did remark to Vader about her arrest that "the Imperial Senate will not sit still for this". Presumably the Emperor knew that executing Garm Bel Iblis, Mon Mothma and Bail Organa, three Senators from three very influential worlds was a huge political gambit, even for him. IIRC my Star Wars canon correctly, Bel Iblis and Mon Mothma had resigned from the Senate at around the time the Rebellion was founded anyway, so they probably immediately resigned and went into hiding running the Rebellion. Bail Organa probably stood by his status as the sovereign monarch of Alderaan, much like how Leia hid behind Diplomatic status as her fathers replacement in the Senate. For the Emperor to completely ignore this and arrest the monarch of a core world, he'd need to be virtually immune to criticism. Abolishing the Senate because with the Death Star he didn't need it would let him do that. Anyway, in ANH, Vader seemed pretty aware of who the Rebel leaders were and was more happy that he would finally be able to dispense with them after the subterfuge the rebels had been hiding behind.

** He was picked up as random salvage and eventually ended up in Jabba's trash pit. These kind of coincidences happen all the time in the Star Wars universe.

** (Original Poster) Barely. He was still lying around on the ground and could barely do anything besides talk.