History Headscratchers / TheForceUnleashed

22nd Jul '16 7:39:36 AM Ansongc2000
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** I'd have to agree that this is one of the stories where Star Wars' insistence on black and white morality comes to bite it in the ass. The moment Anakin turned, even though he did so reluctantly and only to save his loved ones, he became a child murdering, planet blowing upping demon, but Starkiller, who was raised by him, isn't remotely sadistic or even loyal to the Empire. That said, Starkiller's turn kind of does have to work for the apparent moral of nature vs nurture to pan out. Also, considering how cold and distant Vader is, its hard to imagine him being all that effective a parent (even at what he was trying to be). He may have taught Galen the force and the lightsaber, but everything that Galen does can still be done by Jedi (ask Katarn), and he probably had more caring droids like Proxy do the rest.

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** I'd have to agree that this is one of the stories where Star Wars' insistence on black and white morality comes to bite it in the ass. The moment Anakin turned, even though he did so reluctantly and only to save his loved ones, he became a child murdering, planet blowing upping demon, but Starkiller, who was raised by him, isn't remotely sadistic or even loyal to the Empire. That said, But Starkiller's turn kind of does have to work happen for the apparent moral of nature vs nurture to pan out.out, so it's kind of like a {{Space Whale Aseop}}: Illogical, but fitting the moral. Also, considering how cold and distant Vader is, its hard to imagine him being all that effective a parent (even at what he was trying to be). He may have taught Galen the force and the lightsaber, but everything that Galen does can still be done by Jedi (ask Katarn), and he probably had more caring droids like Proxy do the rest. Galen never saw Vader as much more than a combat teacher and a commander (he never does treat him as any kind of father figure), while Vader saw him as a means to an end (which is why he's so willing to dispose of him).



** Vader probably kept Starkiller at arm's length on an emotional level. Right from the very start, he planned to use him as a tool, nothing more. The rips and cuts on Starkiller's first outfit certainly implies some abuse was involved in his training. It's also possible that when he learned his son was still alive, he actively ''wanted'' a good relationship with him, simply because he was all that was left of Padmé. It's also possible that they may have had some connection through the Force due to their relation.

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** Vader probably kept Starkiller at arm's length on an emotional level. Right from the very start, he planned to use him as a tool, nothing more. The rips and cuts on Starkiller's first outfit certainly implies some abuse was involved in his training. It's also possible that when he learned his son was still alive, he actively ''wanted'' a good relationship with him, simply because he was all that was left of Padmé. It's also possible that they may have had some connection through the Force due to their relation.relation.
** Still, Vader spends years and years constructing something even more powerful than himself, and ultimately uses him to lure out the Empire's enemies before disposing of him. Even from a purely pragmatic standpoint, and assuming his "I do not expect you to survive" comment was encouragement, that's pretty dumb. Getting rid of the Empire's most powerful enemies is certainly a worthy cause, but they hadn't even formed an alliance yet, so it'd be easy for others to take their place.
22nd Jul '16 7:07:22 AM Ansongc2000
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** I'd have to agree that this is one of the stories where Star Wars' insistence on black and white morality comes to bite it in the ass. The moment Anakin turned, even though he did so reluctantly and only to save his loved ones, he became a child murdering, planet blowing upping demon, but Starkiller, who was raised by him, isn't remotely sadistic or even loyal to the Empire. That said, Starkiller's turn kind of does have to work for the apparent moral of nature vs nurture to pan out. Also, considering how cold and distant Vader is, its hard to imagine him being all that effective a parent (even at what he was trying to be). He may have taught Galen the force and the lightsaber, but everything that Galen does can still be done by Jedi (ask Katarn), and he probably had more caring droids like Proxy do the rest.
25th May '16 6:44:12 PM nombretomado
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* How come Darth Desolous and Darth Phobos aren't in the PS3/XBOX 360 versions? Facing them with superior animation would have been awesome.

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* How come Darth Desolous and Darth Phobos aren't in the PS3/XBOX [=PS3=]/XBOX 360 versions? Facing them with superior animation would have been awesome.
2nd Apr '16 11:55:30 PM CaptainMegaDong
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* I thought that cloning Force-sensitives was just ridiculously difficult to do right, and extremely dangerous due to the clones being crazy as hell, meaning that nobody really thought it was worth it before. I just thought that the possible clone running around throughout the game was just the result of an ungodly amount of trial and error. Vader does mention early on that most clones died or went insane. Besides, Vader did undeniably turn out at least one good clone, considering that there's the protagonist Starkiller and then another one loyal to Vader. Whether or not you believe Galen's the clone, Vader still undeniably got one of them right.
24th Apr '15 11:20:40 AM Zero85
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*** In one of the Clone Wars cartoons Yoda pushes two Multi-Troop Transport (the ones that off-load droids in Phantom Menace) bact to the transport ship that landed them and then crashes the transport to another transport using the force.

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*** In one of the Clone Wars cartoons Yoda pushes two Multi-Troop Transport (the ones that off-load droids in Phantom Menace) bact back to the transport ship that landed them and then crashes the transport to another transport using the force.
24th Apr '15 11:11:46 AM Zero85
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*** In one of the Clone Wars cartoons Yoda pushes two Multi-Troop Transport (the ones that off-load droids in Phantom Menace) bact to the transport ship that landed them and then crashes the transport to another transport using the force.
21st Jan '15 3:18:20 PM FlashSteps
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** We'll have to wait for StarWarsRebels to find out.

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** We'll have to wait for StarWarsRebels to find out.out.

* If Vader has quite literally known Starkiller since he was a child, and he appears to be a man in his early to mid 20s meaning that they have spent probably about 15 or so years together, how is it that it is so easy for him to dispose of him? I mean Vader only knew Luke for about 4 years and in the movies it is portrayed as if to kill Luke would be the hardest decision in the world for him to make like it would be soul-crushing. Realistically I would think that Vader should have a greater emotional attachment to Starkiller since he raised him from when he was a boy. Is it because Luke biologically being related to Vader more clearly represents what kind of family he could have had with Padme and thus wants the last remnant of his love's genes to carry on, or is Luke simply THAT special that only he could reawaken the good in his father?
** Vader probably kept Starkiller at arm's length on an emotional level. Right from the very start, he planned to use him as a tool, nothing more. The rips and cuts on Starkiller's first outfit certainly implies some abuse was involved in his training. It's also possible that when he learned his son was still alive, he actively ''wanted'' a good relationship with him, simply because he was all that was left of Padmé. It's also possible that they may have had some connection through the Force due to their relation.
11th Jul '14 7:16:48 AM Dannykat
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!!Recently, I know they said the game's canon for the formation of the rebellion is no longer canon.....
* Does that mean that everything in game is no longer canon, such as Shaak Tii's death and Galen himself?

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!!Recently, I know they said the game's canon for the formation of the rebellion is no longer canon.....
canon...
* Does that mean that everything in game is no longer canon, such as Shaak Tii's death and Galen himself?himself?
** We'll have to wait for StarWarsRebels to find out.
12th Jun '14 3:53:22 AM Koveras
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* As far as StarWars powerhouses go, [[DarkForcesSaga Kyle Katarn]] was pretty much invincible once he got [[GameBreaker Force Protection]], and both [[KnightsOfTheOldRepublic Revan and The Exile]] were beasts in [[MagicKnight the use of the force AND skill with a lightsaber]]. The Apprentice pales in comparisson to the aforementioned Jedi Knights, and they were not branded {{God Mode Sue}}s

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* As far as StarWars Franchise/StarWars powerhouses go, [[DarkForcesSaga [[VideoGame/DarkForcesSaga Kyle Katarn]] was pretty much invincible once he got [[GameBreaker Force Protection]], and both [[KnightsOfTheOldRepublic Revan [[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic Revan]] and [[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublicIITheSithLords The Exile]] were beasts in [[MagicKnight the use of the force Force AND skill with a lightsaber]]. The Apprentice pales in comparisson comparison to the aforementioned Jedi Knights, and they were not branded {{God Mode Sue}}sSue}}s.
19th Mar '14 5:26:33 PM KyleBrackman
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