History Headscratchers / TheForceUnleashed

3rd Feb '17 4:56:19 AM Doug86
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* Starkiller's lack of [[DarkSide Dark Sidedness]]. He was raised from childhood by one of the cruelest beings in the galaxy, but at no point in the game does he even seem moderately evil, or even twisted. The darkest he gets is slightly grim. Yeah, he kills a lot of people without remorse or hesitation, but so does Kyle Katarn. I ''know'' that choice plays a huge role in the BlackAndWhiteMorality of StarWars, but this is just ludicrous.

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* Starkiller's lack of [[DarkSide Dark Sidedness]]. He was raised from childhood by one of the cruelest beings in the galaxy, but at no point in the game does he even seem moderately evil, or even twisted. The darkest he gets is slightly grim. Yeah, he kills a lot of people without remorse or hesitation, but so does Kyle Katarn. I ''know'' that choice plays a huge role in the BlackAndWhiteMorality of StarWars, Star Wars, but this is just ludicrous.



** We'll have to wait for StarWarsRebels to find out.

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** We'll have to wait for StarWarsRebels ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' to find out.
1st Feb '17 5:43:49 AM ChronoLegion
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** Still, Vader spends years and years constructing something even more powerful than himself, and ultimately uses him to lure out the Empire's enemies before disposing of him. Even from a purely pragmatic standpoint, and assuming his "I do not expect you to survive" comment was encouragement, that's pretty dumb. Getting rid of the Empire's most powerful enemies is certainly a worthy cause, but they hadn't even formed an alliance yet, so it'd be easy for others to take their place.

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** Still, Vader spends years and years constructing something even more powerful than himself, and ultimately uses him to lure out the Empire's enemies before disposing of him. Even from a purely pragmatic standpoint, and assuming his "I do not expect you to survive" comment was encouragement, that's pretty dumb. Getting rid of the Empire's most powerful enemies is certainly a worthy cause, but they hadn't even formed an alliance yet, so it'd be easy for others to take their place.place.

!!Starkiller doesn't recognize Yoda
* How come Starkiller doesn't recognize one of the most famous Jedi Masters in recent history? Not sure about the game, but the first novelization claims that part of Starkiller's training involved learning about all the deceased and possibly surviving Jedi, including their appearance and lightsaber style. He certainly recognized their "robot" forms in the fake Jedi Temple on Raxus Prime when fighting Kazdan Paratus. Yoda's species isn't exactly common in the galaxy, so finding an elderly member of it on a remote planet that is supposed to lack intelligent life should be suspect, especially since the fact that Yoda did not die at the end of the Clone Wars is not a secret.
1st Feb '17 5:18:56 AM ChronoLegion
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* Notably, Lucas's original idea for Clone Wars involved Jedi fighting cloned Jedi instead of an army of droids fighting an army of non-Jedi clones.
30th Jan '17 8:22:11 AM Morgenthaler
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*** To be fair, the original Jorus C'Baoth (note one "u" versus the clone's two) wasn't much better. He outright considered himself above non-Jedi, was desperate to mount a mission to another galaxy for no good reason (there are still plenty of undiscovered systems in ''this'' one), and, when push came to shove, crossed the line into the Dark Side by trying to Force-choke Thrawn (who wasn't evil yet). Basically, it was Jorus C'baoth's fault that the ''OutboundFlight'' was destroyed with nearly all hands. That his clone turned out to be crazy wasn't much of a surprise.
** Oddly enough, though, in ''StarWarsBattlefront: Elite Squadron'', the main character is a Force-sensitive clone of a Jedi knight-- ''and Rahm Kota commands him in one level.'' Presumably, that level must have taken place after TFU 2.

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*** To be fair, the original Jorus C'Baoth (note one "u" versus the clone's two) wasn't much better. He outright considered himself above non-Jedi, was desperate to mount a mission to another galaxy for no good reason (there are still plenty of undiscovered systems in ''this'' one), and, when push came to shove, crossed the line into the Dark Side by trying to Force-choke Thrawn (who wasn't evil yet). Basically, it was Jorus C'baoth's fault that the ''OutboundFlight'' ''Literature/OutboundFlight'' was destroyed with nearly all hands. That his clone turned out to be crazy wasn't much of a surprise.
** Oddly enough, though, in ''StarWarsBattlefront: ''VideoGame/StarWarsBattlefront: Elite Squadron'', the main character is a Force-sensitive clone of a Jedi knight-- ''and Rahm Kota commands him in one level.'' Presumably, that level must have taken place after TFU 2.
22nd Jan '17 12:21:20 PM CH_Gorog
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** I think that Starkiller was raised by Vader (or at least raised to believe) that his purpose was to hunt down the Jedi, overthrow the Emperor, and rule the universe with him. His ultimate goal is the Sith objective of acquiring more power than anyone else. He's hesitant on killing the Empire's own troopers, but he's still willing to do so for the sake of his mission. He also unquestionably starts killing Jedi without much philosophical reasonings beside "my master said so." It's through his growing attachments to the people helping him (knowingly or not) with his mission to rout Empire dissidents that he starts forming attachments and calling these people friends, especially Juno who he shares a particular shared betrayal by the Empire and Vader. Even when encountering the Jedi, he starts feeling sympathy and understanding for them as his world view is given more complexity and he starts becoming uncertain of his dedication to the mission, especially when Vader betrays him in front of the Emperor giving him pause for the first time in his life on whether Vader even truly supports his student. The "canon" ending makes sense as he's finally accepts that he's willing to attack the Empire, Vader, and the Emperor directly not because it's the Sith/Jedi thing to do, but because he cares about the people in harms way of the Empire, and uses the Force to accomplish his goals rather than thinking of a specific set of beliefs that fit - a bit of a precursor to Luke who doesn't see the conflict as black and white as the Jedi and Sith claim it to be.


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**** Both her and her master discuss that the planet itself leads to corruption. Not to mention that Mariss was left alone to survive on the planet, and thought the best way to do so was to sacrifice her principles for safety in the form of using the indigenous people for soldiers and turning to the dark side.
22nd Jul '16 7:39:36 AM Ansongc2000
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** I'd have to agree that this is one of the stories where Star Wars' insistence on black and white morality comes to bite it in the ass. The moment Anakin turned, even though he did so reluctantly and only to save his loved ones, he became a child murdering, planet blowing upping demon, but Starkiller, who was raised by him, isn't remotely sadistic or even loyal to the Empire. That said, Starkiller's turn kind of does have to work for the apparent moral of nature vs nurture to pan out. Also, considering how cold and distant Vader is, its hard to imagine him being all that effective a parent (even at what he was trying to be). He may have taught Galen the force and the lightsaber, but everything that Galen does can still be done by Jedi (ask Katarn), and he probably had more caring droids like Proxy do the rest.

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** I'd have to agree that this is one of the stories where Star Wars' insistence on black and white morality comes to bite it in the ass. The moment Anakin turned, even though he did so reluctantly and only to save his loved ones, he became a child murdering, planet blowing upping demon, but Starkiller, who was raised by him, isn't remotely sadistic or even loyal to the Empire. That said, But Starkiller's turn kind of does have to work happen for the apparent moral of nature vs nurture to pan out.out, so it's kind of like a {{Space Whale Aseop}}: Illogical, but fitting the moral. Also, considering how cold and distant Vader is, its hard to imagine him being all that effective a parent (even at what he was trying to be). He may have taught Galen the force and the lightsaber, but everything that Galen does can still be done by Jedi (ask Katarn), and he probably had more caring droids like Proxy do the rest. Galen never saw Vader as much more than a combat teacher and a commander (he never does treat him as any kind of father figure), while Vader saw him as a means to an end (which is why he's so willing to dispose of him).



** Vader probably kept Starkiller at arm's length on an emotional level. Right from the very start, he planned to use him as a tool, nothing more. The rips and cuts on Starkiller's first outfit certainly implies some abuse was involved in his training. It's also possible that when he learned his son was still alive, he actively ''wanted'' a good relationship with him, simply because he was all that was left of Padmé. It's also possible that they may have had some connection through the Force due to their relation.

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** Vader probably kept Starkiller at arm's length on an emotional level. Right from the very start, he planned to use him as a tool, nothing more. The rips and cuts on Starkiller's first outfit certainly implies some abuse was involved in his training. It's also possible that when he learned his son was still alive, he actively ''wanted'' a good relationship with him, simply because he was all that was left of Padmé. It's also possible that they may have had some connection through the Force due to their relation.relation.
** Still, Vader spends years and years constructing something even more powerful than himself, and ultimately uses him to lure out the Empire's enemies before disposing of him. Even from a purely pragmatic standpoint, and assuming his "I do not expect you to survive" comment was encouragement, that's pretty dumb. Getting rid of the Empire's most powerful enemies is certainly a worthy cause, but they hadn't even formed an alliance yet, so it'd be easy for others to take their place.
22nd Jul '16 7:07:22 AM Ansongc2000
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** I'd have to agree that this is one of the stories where Star Wars' insistence on black and white morality comes to bite it in the ass. The moment Anakin turned, even though he did so reluctantly and only to save his loved ones, he became a child murdering, planet blowing upping demon, but Starkiller, who was raised by him, isn't remotely sadistic or even loyal to the Empire. That said, Starkiller's turn kind of does have to work for the apparent moral of nature vs nurture to pan out. Also, considering how cold and distant Vader is, its hard to imagine him being all that effective a parent (even at what he was trying to be). He may have taught Galen the force and the lightsaber, but everything that Galen does can still be done by Jedi (ask Katarn), and he probably had more caring droids like Proxy do the rest.
25th May '16 6:44:12 PM nombretomado
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* How come Darth Desolous and Darth Phobos aren't in the PS3/XBOX 360 versions? Facing them with superior animation would have been awesome.

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* How come Darth Desolous and Darth Phobos aren't in the PS3/XBOX [=PS3=]/XBOX 360 versions? Facing them with superior animation would have been awesome.
2nd Apr '16 11:55:30 PM CaptainMegaDong
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* I thought that cloning Force-sensitives was just ridiculously difficult to do right, and extremely dangerous due to the clones being crazy as hell, meaning that nobody really thought it was worth it before. I just thought that the possible clone running around throughout the game was just the result of an ungodly amount of trial and error. Vader does mention early on that most clones died or went insane. Besides, Vader did undeniably turn out at least one good clone, considering that there's the protagonist Starkiller and then another one loyal to Vader. Whether or not you believe Galen's the clone, Vader still undeniably got one of them right.
24th Apr '15 11:20:40 AM Zero85
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*** In one of the Clone Wars cartoons Yoda pushes two Multi-Troop Transport (the ones that off-load droids in Phantom Menace) bact to the transport ship that landed them and then crashes the transport to another transport using the force.

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*** In one of the Clone Wars cartoons Yoda pushes two Multi-Troop Transport (the ones that off-load droids in Phantom Menace) bact back to the transport ship that landed them and then crashes the transport to another transport using the force.
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