History Headscratchers / TengenToppaGurrenLagann

** Rossiu isn't thinking straight now. He's firmly gripped by fear and is likely projecting a good deal of his frustration and anxiety onto Simon because he can't really control him. That and he wants to keep up the perception that Simon is a dangerous renegade so his plan to use him as the scapegoat for the Anti-Spiral attacks. Simon being seen keeping up his usual heroics without any form of coercion would only weaken Rossiu's already-flimsy case to the public.

** It's not about hating Rossiu. I have real respect for him as the [[OnlySaneMan Only Sane Man.]] I just can't get why he wouldn't have a contingency for that, when it was indeed a possibility that Simon would do so. Rossiu just doesn't strike me as the type who would rely on others' motives and emotions. He'd have a plan for every single possibility.

** That's the whole point. they realized the destructive power of spiral energy so they limited their use of it. the abuse eariler was nessecary. but, now that the threat is gone, they can limit the use of spiral energy to prevent the destruction of any dimensions

** Did he see them that way? They were nakama, for sure, but he was really only able to fully relate to Nia and Kamina. After the way Team Dai-Gurren treated him post-Kamina's death (especially Yoko. Jesus. She of anyone should have been able to empathize with his pain and yet she discouraged others from offering Simon emotional support), Rossiu (the other person who came closest to friendship with him) basically sacrificing him to appease the public after the TimeSkip, and Nia's death? What on earth did he have left to keep him there?

** Saving the woman he loved from being used as a tool and savoring whatever time he had with her is more than enough. He accepted her death after that, but that doesn’t mean he wasted his time. The final message of the series was that there must be a balance between reaching for more achievements and accepting responsibility with your power. Nia dying is no less unfair than the death of any other member of Team Dai-Gurren during the battle, but I don’t see people complaining that he didn’t resurrect everyone because “do the impossible”.

** [[CompletelyMissingThePoint Actually]], Simon finding Nia wasn't as bad as you think. If he never found Nia, they would've never gone to the Anti-Spiral universe to get her back, and wouldn't even been able to get there even if they want to. The only reason they could even get there in the fist place was because of the engagement ring, and that was only there because Nia still loved Simon even while being controlled. Sure, she may have been an ApocalypseMaiden, but if anyone else had been the Anti-Spiral messenger, humanity would've either been locked in an eternal battle with no possibility to win, or just plain dead.

** Well duh. [[TerryPrachet If there was a button labeled "do not press or world will end", the paint wouldn't have time to dry]]. As a species, we tend to learn what works and what doesn't by trial and error, which is fine when the trial is over fire makes a good loincloth adornment, but doesn't when it comes to altering fundamental constants of the universe or working out significant moral dilemmas.

** Also, [[{{thatother1dude}} the same guy (me)]] wrote most (all?) of them and I think I just miscounted (as it says the explosion was [[EditedForSyndication cut for time on the Sci Fi Channel broadcast]], so I haven't seen it since I watched a FanSub like a year ago).

** Can't remember precisely, but seeing how his Gunmen is a massive walking battleship with more dakka than you can possibly imagine, perhaps he was just being full of himself. Or seeing how the full output of DaiGurren could create a metaphorical 'wall of fire', he could've been referring to that.

** Maybe it's a cultural thing? Maybe it's more culturally accepted in the world of TTGL to show skin, but female nipples are taboo, and Yoko just never really thought about the FridgeLogic inherit in that particular rule. Also, in the fourth Parallel Works, she runs around in the Lagann topless, more peeved at Gimmy for [[spoiler:stealing her Bikini top]] than for having seen her nipples. Also, perhaps she enjoys ThesisTitillationTheory and believes that if anyone sees her nipples, her sex appeal will drop?

** Because it would probably require mechs the size of ''the moon'' to fully capture such manly awesomeness for the finale.

** You can't expect someone like Kittan to change no matter how much time passes. He himself basically admits he's ill-suited for the job they gave him. There are basically two camps among the Gurren-dan post time skip: People like Rossiu, Yoko, and Dayakka who changed in some way in the seven years, and people like Kittan, Simon, Nia, and Viral who really didn't change all that much. In fact, although it's not really easy to see between the mind blowing battles, there is the overarching theme of "growing up" present in the post-time skip world. The problem is it's a lot more subtle (and in Simon's case with refusing to even try to bring back Nia at the end, mindblowingly misguided...personally if I heard someone say to let the girl who went poof stay poofed because it was time to move on and leave it to the next generation, I'd sock him in the face and ask "What about YOUR next generation? You just saved the universe, be a little selfish just this once!") in that it addresses a problem with 20-somethings moving forward in life. Most of the protagonists have this stagnation in their lives as a character flaw. This growth, however, is incredibly hard to portray in any form of media, since almost everyone is still going through it in their own lives. It's like a 10 year old writing about puberty.

** There is something wrong with you. No one here is denying ''him'' anything. He made the decision himself, (if the possibility is even ''there'' "potential of evolution" does not equate to "screw causality" any more than [[HumanPopsicle cryogenics]] equate to [[SetRightWhatOnceWasWrong time travel]]) and he would not be never has been that presumptuous. There is a ''very big difference'' between [[BadassBoast "Who the hell do you think I am?"]] and [[AGodAmI "I will become the god of the new world."]] That you think for some reason that that level of idiocy is acceptable proves nothing about the characters. All it shows is that you weren't paying attention.

* Why do people say Kittan is like Kamina? Kittan is a violent jerk, and Kamina is an inspiring and fairly kind man who inspires the insecure. They do have physical similarities and do similar stuff but that's it.
** Kamina can be a jerk too, but both are aggressive thrill-seekers, mainly. The main difference is that Kamina is good with words, and Kittan isn't (which is somewhat lampshaded later on).
** The ressemblance between Kittan and Kamina is alluded in the movies where it is said that, while Kamina was in the front leading everyone, Kittan was in the rear pushing them forward. Also, after [[spoiler:the death of Kamina]], Kittan is chosen as a leader because, well, because he is one like Kamina. As for Kittan being a jerk, after watching the series a couple of time, I think that Kittan deserves more credit than he gets. While he acts all tough with guys, that facade melts with girls, like when he intterrogate Nia or when he is with his sister after the timeskip. And he is truly shocked by Lordgenome rejecting Nia, saying : "What kind of man would do such a thing?"
** Also, he may not actually be as jerkish as you make him out to be. While Kamina's good with words and knows what to say to someone, Kittan doesn't have a gift with words and usually tries to hide his emotions and put up a barrier. It seems more like Kittan just acts abrasive and mean, but inside he's soft and mushy. Kamina doesn't seem to hide anything.

** Because it would probably require mechs the size of ''the goddamn moon'' to fully capture such manly awesomeness for the finale.

** You can't expect someone like Kittan to change no matter how much time passes. He himself basically admits he's ill-suited for the job they gave him. There are basically two camps among the Gurren-dan post time skip: People like Rossiu, Yoko, and Dayakka who changed in some way in the seven years, and people like Kittan, Simon, Nia, and Viral who really didn't change all that much. In fact, although it's not really easy to see between the mind blowing battles, there is the overarching theme of "growing up" present in the post-time skip world. The problem is it's a lot more subtle (and in Simon's case with refusing to even try to bring back Nia at the end, mindblowingly misguided...personally if I heard someone say to let the girl who went poof stay poofed because it was time to move on and leave it to the next generation, I'd sock him in the face and ask "What about YOUR next generation? You just saved the Goddamn universe, be a little selfish just this once!") in that it addresses a problem with 20-somethings moving forward in life. Most of the protagonists have this stagnation in their lives as a character flaw. This growth, however, is incredibly hard to portray in any form of media, since almost everyone is still going through it in their own lives. It's like a 10 year old writing about puberty.

** There is something wrong with you. No one here is denying ''him'' anything. He made the decision himself, (if the possibility is even ''there'' "potential of evolution" does not equate to "screw causality" any more than [[HumanPopsicle cryogenics]] equate to [[SetRightWhatOnceWasWrong time travel]]) and he would not be never has been that presumptuous. There is a ''very big difference'' between [[BadassBoast "Who the hell do you think I am?"]] and [[AGodAmI "I will become the god of the new world."]] That you think for some reason that that level of ''assholery'' is acceptable proves nothing about the characters. All it shows is that you weren't paying attention.

* Why do people say Kittan is like Kamina? Kittan is a violent dick, and Kamina is an inspiring and fairly kind man who inspires the insecure. They do have physical similarities and do similar stuff but that's it.
** Kamina can be a dick too, but both are aggressive thrill-seekers, mainly. The main difference is that Kamina is good with words, and Kittan isn't (which is somewhat lampshaded later on).
** The ressemblance between Kittan and Kamina is alluded in the movies where it is said that, while Kamina was in the front leading everyone, Kittan was in the rear pushing them forward. Also, after [[spoiler:the death of Kamina]], Kittan is chosen as a leader because, well, because he is one like Kamina. As for Kittan being a dick, after watching the series a couple of time, I think that Kittan deserves more credit than he gets. While he acts all tough with guys, that facade melts with girls, like when he intterrogate Nia or when he is with his sister after the timeskip. And he is truly shocked by Lordgenome rejecting Nia, saying : "What kind of man would do such a thing?"
** Also, he may not actually be as dickish as you make him out to be. While Kamina's good with words and knows what to say to someone, Kittan doesn't have a gift with words and usually tries to hide his emotions and put up a barrier. It seems more like Kittan just acts abrasive and mean, but inside he's soft and mushy. Kamina doesn't seem to hide anything.

** As I believe was mentioned elsewhere on this page: ''precedent.'' If Simon's allowed to do it, who's to say any of Team Dai-Gurren isn't allowed to do it? You think the Black Sisters would mind having their brother back? You think Kamina would've minded having his dad back if he were in any position to bring him back? Hell, you think any of the Team would mind bringing Kamina back? But that's not what Spiral Power is for. '''''We keep on moving forward.''''' There are people waiting behind you and if you just stand there in the middle of the road like some kinda moron you ruin things for everyone who follows and you spit on everything those who came before you have worked for. '''Just who in the hell do you think you are?'''

** The whole basis of the "bring Nia back" argument seems to be based solely on "Simon saved the universe, he is god and he deserves one selfish wish". Simon made it clear that he never saw himself as anything more than a "driller", which was also the basis of his entire hotblooded, emo-exorcising speech to Guame. He's content with being just who he is, and taking what fate has handed to him. Saying that he should do otherwise means going out of character for him, which is the same as saying that the ending does not suit the series (it's "out of character"). Nia dying also wasn't some way for the writers to screw the characters over, it was (as many people have ALREADY pointed out here) a way to reinforce the AESOP and the ending, since this way we know Simon will not be tempted to abuse Spiral Power until accidentally causing Spiral Nemesis. This is also reinforced during the time where the entire Dai-Gurren team was in the dream world, where they saw their "ideal" life and realised how wrong it was. Simon and Yoko's were the best examples, Simon knew that the Kamina bowing before the cops wasn't really the type of person he wanted to be, while Yoko saw the idealized version of herself, and realised it wasn't her at all.

** The whole thing still bugs me regardless. It just feels unrealistic, and no do not try to retort that realism doesn't matter because Gurren Lagann doesn't care about the laws of physics. Subverting the laws of physics for the sake of a CrowningMomentofAwesome is irrelevant with regards character interaction and world building.

** Lolicons.

** Nope. Not at all. Maybe Lordgenome was into {{lolicon}} but isn't gay so no {{shotacon}}?

** Digging doesn't work that way. Remember ''{{Holes}}''? Subsurface soil is pretty tightly packed, and removing it usually makes it take up much more space. (Some of the non-simplified shots of digging, like when Simon digs out Lagann, show the dirt flying around too.) And this isn't taking account where the air to fill the space comes from.

** Clearly, Reite was GenreSavvy enough to know that painting Dai-Gurren red would make it run three times faster, and therefore made doing so top priority. As for the time, Kinon actually mentioned that it's been a week since they hijacked the thing in episode 9, so that would give them some opportunity to paint it.

[[folder:What exactly happened to Lordgenome's children in the Teppelin throne room?]]