History Headscratchers / TengenToppaGurrenLagann

1st Apr '16 2:52:22 AM Aceina
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** first of all only 1 person said it was possible to bring back the dead and yoko told him simon CANT do it 2nd all of you who want her back are not treating nia as a person but as a sex object for simon you dont care what she wants just that simon get's his "prize" and that is disgusting
20th Dec '15 5:28:05 AM Morgenthaler
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** First: The {{Aesop}} isn't really that fantastic. You've already read what I've had to say about that at the top of the page though. Second: It still comes down to the fact that the choice isn't just personal, it would effect more than yourself in such a situation. Really, if there was even the smallest chance that I could save her, I'd go through hell [[LikeABadAssOutOfHell and back]]. You're right though, it's a redundant argument considering that the chances of something like this coming up is nigh impossible.

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** First: The {{Aesop}} isn't really that fantastic. You've already read what I've had to say about that at the top of the page though. Second: It still comes down to the fact that the choice isn't just personal, it would effect more than yourself in such a situation. Really, if there was even the smallest chance that I could save her, I'd go through hell [[LikeABadAssOutOfHell [[ToHellAndBack and back]]. You're right though, it's a redundant argument considering that the chances of something like this coming up is nigh impossible.
31st Oct '15 5:46:40 PM nombretomado
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** Waaaaait, heat death? Are you sure you're not confusing this with ''PuellaMagiMadokaMagica''?

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** Waaaaait, heat death? Are you sure you're not confusing this with ''PuellaMagiMadokaMagica''?''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica''?
21st Aug '15 2:11:11 PM Discar
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1) Anti-spirals die, all "anti-spiral" energy is cut off leading to their creations turning off or self-destructing if they need the energy to be maintained.
2) Nia can use spiral energy to suppliment this, but as we see she "fades" before the Anti-Spiral King is even defeated, already coming to terms she is going to die if the ASK is killed. Basically, she is going against the principle of spiral energy by accepting defeat/death.
3) Nia keeps willing to live, willing to exist to marry Simon. Marriage occurs, she gives up, and thus cuts the spiral energy umbilical cord she was providing for herself. All goals achieved, she dies.

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1) Anti-spirals ###Anti-spirals die, all "anti-spiral" energy is cut off leading to their creations turning off or self-destructing if they need the energy to be maintained.
2) Nia ###Nia can use spiral energy to suppliment this, but as we see she "fades" before the Anti-Spiral King is even defeated, already coming to terms she is going to die if the ASK is killed. Basically, she is going against the principle of spiral energy by accepting defeat/death.
3) Nia ###Nia keeps willing to live, willing to exist to marry Simon. Marriage occurs, she gives up, and thus cuts the spiral energy umbilical cord she was providing for herself. All goals achieved, she dies.



Isn't it odd how's Nia's Ring didn't fade away, while she and what she was wearing did? I highly doubt that it was solely because the stone in the ring was of solidified Spiral Power, cause if she just a virtual human of the Anti-Spiral, why did her clothes fade with her, cause I doubt that they were of Anti-Spiral creation too. Just a theory, but can this be proof that Nia still exist in a way that Simon could find her again?

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* Isn't it odd how's Nia's Ring didn't fade away, while she and what she was wearing did? I highly doubt that it was solely because the stone in the ring was of solidified Spiral Power, cause if she just a virtual human of the Anti-Spiral, why did her clothes fade with her, cause I doubt that they were of Anti-Spiral creation too. Just a theory, but can this be proof that Nia still exist in a way that Simon could find her again?
20th Aug '15 3:25:44 PM jahman
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Isn't it odd how's Nia's Ring didn't fade away, while she and what she was wearing did? I highly doubt that it was solely because the stone in the ring was of solidified Spiral Power, cause if she just a virtual human of the Anti-Spiral, why did her clothes fade with her, cause I doubt that they were of Anti-Spiral creation too.

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Isn't it odd how's Nia's Ring didn't fade away, while she and what she was wearing did? I highly doubt that it was solely because the stone in the ring was of solidified Spiral Power, cause if she just a virtual human of the Anti-Spiral, why did her clothes fade with her, cause I doubt that they were of Anti-Spiral creation too. \n Just a theory, but can this be proof that Nia still exist in a way that Simon could find her again?
20th Aug '15 3:19:19 PM jahman
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[[folder:Other ways to see fallen loved ones again, without the Spiral Power]]

*I'll accept that Simon bringing Nia and the others back would be an abuse of the Spiral Power, and I'll accept that his wandering lifestyle is something that he's comfortable with, but I also been hearing sayings about how "Death is only the beginning of an even greater adventure" or something like that. I believe in a universe where anything can be possible and Kamina could be seen again after being dead for more than seven years, one can't help but wonder if there are other ways Simon could see Nia and the others again besides the Spiral.

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[[folder:Why does Nia's Ring remain]]

Isn't it odd how's Nia's Ring didn't fade away, while she and what she was wearing did? I highly doubt that it was solely because the stone in the ring was of solidified Spiral Power, cause if she just a virtual human of the Anti-Spiral, why did her clothes fade with her, cause I doubt that they were of Anti-Spiral creation too.

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1st Jul '15 2:43:06 PM ichigoare
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** She's incredibly naive, for one thing, and does prove to have a temper later on. Plus, she's a massive Cloudcuckoolander, and it seems the main reason Team Gurren liked her (at least initially) was more because they pitied her than because they found her endearing. I wouldn't call her 'perfect' by any means.




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** If he brought Nia back, they'd expect him to do the same for all the other characters who died. Since Nia's an altogether different kind of being, even if Simon COULD revive Nia, he likely couldn't replicate that resurrection on the rest of the dead characters. I don't think Team Gurren would quite understand that. They'd think they could bring everyone else back to and set themselves up to be disappointed and enraged, more likely than not.




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** Or maybe they weren't people turned into batteries, but batteries turned into people.




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** In part due to memes and whatnot, Kamina seems to be overall the most well-known character of this series; this troper, at least, went into the series knowing his name and no one else's. Since 'popular' and 'well-known ' do go hand-in-hand in a good number of cases, there you have it. (For the record, I recall seeing a poll online of the most popular TTGL characters. Kamina was indeed number one, with the top five being rounded out by Simon, Yoko, Viral, and Nia, in that order.)
1st Jul '15 2:20:11 PM ichigoare
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** The cat/shark thing does check out if you factor in that his grin is pretty shark-like and his eyes do look a lot like a feline's, even down to the eye color.




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** I don't think it had much to do with his friends. Seemed to me like he set off to find a path he was better suited for than politics, which was wandering the lands and giving hope to random people that needed it. And in doing so, he did allow his friends to find paths they wanted to go down as well, instead of binding them all to politics and celebrity status they may not have wanted.




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** Because he hangs around Kamina, the regularly shirtless pinnacle of masculinity? I mean, seems like anyone's looks dwindle in comparison to his (just ask the fangirls). Or, alternatively, because Simon hangs around Kamina, the wreckless delinquent, and gets pulled into a bunch of his crazy schemes. Doesn't seem like an attractive position for them to be in, if dating or even being attracted to Simon gets them involved in the mess as well. Either way, it's all Kamina's fault.
1st Jul '15 2:04:05 PM ichigoare
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** Would Yoko's village even know how to properly track the passage of a year if they'd started out underground? They wouldn't necessarily understand the Earth's rotation around the sun if they'd started out having never seen the sun, would they? So they'd likely just stick with tracking years in a way that was familiar to them.
11th May '15 2:18:11 PM Discar
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*** It's a church that worships a gunmen. Who knows what practices they have?

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*** ** It's a church that worships a gunmen. Who knows what practices they have?



*** The scene goes Gimmy asks why not bring the dead back, Yoko tells him Simon isn't god, and Simon explaining why it's alright the dead don't come back.


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*** ** The scene goes Gimmy asks why not bring the dead back, Yoko tells him Simon isn't god, and Simon explaining why it's alright the dead don't come back.

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