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*** I figure that was on top of the very, very expensive therapy her stepdad is probably getting her.
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*** It was pretty obvious she still harboured some resentment from the divorce. Until he saved Kim, of course. And it wasn't her fault. She made mistakes, the girls made mistakes, but it was actually the Albanians "fault".
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** In short, no, it isn't, and Neeson is tired of people thanking him because of that misinterpretation. Thing is, the risks the girls were taking were violations of common sense. If Bryan had been ''less'' controlling, Kim probably would've been ''more'' honest with him, and maybe even more cautious.
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*** I figure that was on top of the very, very expensive therapy her stepdad is probably getting her.
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** It sounded to me more as if he was trying to sanitize/sum up his job for his daughter.daughter.
** Maybe he wasnt proud of the things he had to do. Sure, he was "preventing" bad things very happening, but he had to do bad things to prevent them. But when she asked what he did, he answered vaguely.
** Maybe he wasnt proud of the things he had to do. Sure, he was "preventing" bad things very happening, but he had to do bad things to prevent them. But when she asked what he did, he answered vaguely.
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** To this troper, complaints of this nature seem to boil down to "Why is she so mean, doesn't she know that her husband is a goddamn superhero?" There are a lot of folks that take their career down a notch or two once they have a family. Considering we don't have any idea, just how absent a father he was, I don't really have a problem with it.
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* Is it just me or is it unfortunate for them to come up with a "CIA" job description that describes the cooperative work of thousands of counter-terrorism experts? "I was a preventer." sounds a lot like "I was Batman."
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* Is it just me or is it unfortunate for them to come up with a "CIA" job description that describes the cooperative work of thousands of counter-terrorism experts? "I was a preventer." sounds a lot like "I was Batman.""
** It sounded to me more as if he was trying to sanitize/sum up his job for his daughter.
** It sounded to me more as if he was trying to sanitize/sum up his job for his daughter.
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** Same reason someone thought it'd be a good idea to shoot JohnLennon, presumably.
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** Arguably no one ''has'' to resort to the sex trafficking trade in order to 'get' sex -- some people presumably just find the power imbalance in such a relationship a turn-on.
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*** Also keep in mind that Brian wasn't exactly a 'hero' as the term is generally used. He comments early about some of the terrible things that can happen to people overseas, and knows too well about them. He knows he can't save every girl and shut down the entire operation, but has at least a ghost of a chance of saving his daughter. If he kills a few dozen guys along the way, at least that's progress.
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** Well, consider also that they were kidnapped because Amanda was a dumbass who gave their address to a total stranger and told him that they were staying by themselves, on the grounds that he was "hot". So the film could also be saying that not giving information to strangers is a good way to not get kidnapped.
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** High School biology teacher here. You can't easily tell if human females are virgins. The hymen is just a little ring of skin, and it varies in thickness and width. Real life gynecologists have been asked to verify whether a parents daughter has had sex, all they can say generally is "maybe, maybe not" unless evidence of recent vigorous sexual activity is present. Absence of that and "virginity" are two different things and even if they were virgins, the clients paid biog bucks to be her first rapist? I for one am incredulous.
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** High School biology teacher here. You can't easily tell if human females are virgins. The hymen is just a little ring of skin, and it varies in thickness and width. [[RealLife Real life life]] gynecologists have been asked by parents to verify whether a parents their daughter has had sex, all they can say generally is "maybe, maybe not" unless evidence of recent vigorous sexual activity is present. Absence of that and "virginity" are two different things and even if they were virgins, the clients paid biog big bucks to be her first rapist? I for one am incredulous.
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* Is it just me or is it unfortunate for them to come up with a "CIA" job description that describes the cooperative work of thousands of counter-terrorism experts. experts? "I was a preventer." sounds a lot like "I was Batman."
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* MST3K all the way, but isn't a tad too [[ContrivedCoincidence convenient]] that the ex-CIA agent happens to get his daughter (out of the millions of tourists to france) kidnapped, thus proving his otherwise excessively paranoid and over-protective father to be totally justified? I mean, in the extremely likely event of his daughter not being kidnapped, this movie would have been about a jerk-ass, loser father who won't let his daughter go. And then that bitchy ex-wife would be the voice of reason. Is this film basically saying that one should be excessively paranoid about foreigners and over protective of your children?
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* MST3K all the way, but isn't a tad too [[ContrivedCoincidence convenient]] that the ex-CIA agent happens to get his daughter (out of the millions of tourists to france) kidnapped, thus proving his otherwise excessively paranoid and over-protective father to be totally justified? I mean, in the extremely likely event of his daughter not being kidnapped, this movie would have been about a jerk-ass, loser father who won't let his daughter go. And then that bitchy ex-wife would be the voice of reason. Is this film basically saying that one should be excessively paranoid about foreigners and over protective of your children?children?
*Is it just me or is it unfortunate for them to come up with a "CIA" job description that describes the cooperative work of thousands of counter-terrorism experts. "I was a preventer." sounds a lot like "I was Batman."
*Is it just me or is it unfortunate for them to come up with a "CIA" job description that describes the cooperative work of thousands of counter-terrorism experts. "I was a preventer." sounds a lot like "I was Batman."
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** High School biology teacher here. You can't easily tell if human females are virgins. The hymen is just a little ring of skin, and it varies in thickness and width. Real life gynecologists have been asked to verify whether a parents daughter has had sex, all they can say generally is "maybe, maybe not" unless evidence of recent vigorous sexual activity is present. Absence of that and "virginity" are two different things and even if they were virgins, the clients paid biog bucks to be her first rapist? I for one am incredulous.
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** For Half a million, I'm suprised one couldn't just tempt a consenting virgin for sex. This guy is a millionaire who owns his own yacht; he should be covered in gold digging, trophy virgins.
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** For Half a million, I'm suprised one couldn't just tempt a consenting virgin for sex. This guy is a millionaire who owns his own yacht; he should be covered in gold digging, trophy virgins. Yet he has to resort to greasy sex trafficers to get sex?
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* MST3K all the way, but isn't a tad too [[ContrivedConvenience convenient]] that the ex-CIA agent happens to get his daughter (out of the millions of tourists to france) kidnapped, thus proving his otherwise excessively paranoid and over-protective father to be totally justified? I mean, in the extremely likely event of his daughter not being kidnapped, this movie would have been about a jerk-ass, loser father who won't let his daughter go. And then that bitchy ex-wife would be the voice of reason.
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* MST3K all the way, but isn't a tad too [[ContrivedConvenience [[ContrivedCoincidence convenient]] that the ex-CIA agent happens to get his daughter (out of the millions of tourists to france) kidnapped, thus proving his otherwise excessively paranoid and over-protective father to be totally justified? I mean, in the extremely likely event of his daughter not being kidnapped, this movie would have been about a jerk-ass, loser father who won't let his daughter go. And then that bitchy ex-wife would be the voice of reason. Is this film basically saying that one should be excessively paranoid about foreigners and over protective of your children?
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** For Half a million, I'm suprised one couldn't just tempt a consenting virgin for sex. This guy is a millionaire who owns his own yacht; he should be covered in gold digging, trophy virgins.
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** This Troper absolutely concurs with you (as, in fact, does the entire "Taken" board on IMDb).
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** This Troper absolutely concurs with you (as, in fact, does the entire "Taken" board on IMDb).IMDb).
* MST3K all the way, but isn't a tad too [[ContrivedConvenience convenient]] that the ex-CIA agent happens to get his daughter (out of the millions of tourists to france) kidnapped, thus proving his otherwise excessively paranoid and over-protective father to be totally justified? I mean, in the extremely likely event of his daughter not being kidnapped, this movie would have been about a jerk-ass, loser father who won't let his daughter go. And then that bitchy ex-wife would be the voice of reason.
* MST3K all the way, but isn't a tad too [[ContrivedConvenience convenient]] that the ex-CIA agent happens to get his daughter (out of the millions of tourists to france) kidnapped, thus proving his otherwise excessively paranoid and over-protective father to be totally justified? I mean, in the extremely likely event of his daughter not being kidnapped, this movie would have been about a jerk-ass, loser father who won't let his daughter go. And then that bitchy ex-wife would be the voice of reason.
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* Did anyone else hate the mother? I felt that she was the most unsympathetic person in the whole film. When we first see her, she is going off on Bryan for coming to his daughter's birthday party. Then she goes off on him because he bought a gift for her. That's weird anti-social behavior to treat anyone like that unless they were an AbusiveParent. Bryan obviously wasn't. I never could fathom why she was so rude and hateful towards him. Sure, he was gone a lot but that's not all that bad. I could see it being grounds for divorce but certainly not grounds to be a JerkAss. Besides, it's not like Bryan was just some blue-collar worker who had little to no reason to be gone so often. He was in the CIA. He had his reasons... like y'know, saving the world. If he was a jerk who left the house too often, shouldn't she at least commend him for making the attempt to come back into his daughter's life? Or at the very least, pretend to be civil for the sake of their child and not look like a total CountryMatters? Kim was cool with him so it's not like there were any emotional scars from him being gone so often. Later, she gets mad because Bryan was showing concern that his 17 year old daughter was flying off to France with no adult supervision. She has her daughter blatantly lie to her own father on top of all that. And worst of all, at no point does she admit that she was wrong or apologize to Bryan for all the shit she was pulling. I mean, it's entirely her fault that her daughter was kidnapped. I would've loved if the movie ended with him roundhouse kicking her in the face.
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* Did anyone else hate the mother? I felt that she was the most unsympathetic person in the whole film. When we first see her, she is going off on Bryan for coming to his daughter's birthday party. Then she goes off on him because he bought a gift for her. That's weird anti-social behavior to treat anyone like that unless they were an AbusiveParent. Bryan obviously wasn't. I never could fathom why she was so rude and hateful towards him. Sure, he was gone a lot but that's not all that bad. I could see it being grounds for divorce but certainly not grounds to be a JerkAss. Besides, it's not like Bryan was just some blue-collar worker who had little to no reason to be gone so often. He was in the CIA. He had his reasons... like y'know, saving the world. If he was a jerk who left the house too often, shouldn't she at least commend him for making the attempt to come back into his daughter's life? Or at the very least, pretend to be civil for the sake of their child and not look like a total CountryMatters? Kim was cool with him so it's not like there were any emotional scars from him being gone so often. Later, she gets mad because Bryan was showing concern that his 17 year old daughter was flying off to France with no adult supervision. She has her daughter blatantly lie to her own father on top of all that. And worst of all, at no point does she admit that she was wrong or apologize to Bryan for all the shit she was pulling. I mean, it's entirely her fault that her daughter was kidnapped. I would've loved if the movie ended with him roundhouse kicking her in the face.face.
** This Troper absolutely concurs with you (as, in fact, does the entire "Taken" board on IMDb).
** This Troper absolutely concurs with you (as, in fact, does the entire "Taken" board on IMDb).
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**** No it wasn't, [[spoiler:remember how the auctioneer refered to her? "As usual, we've saved the best for last]], and she was clearly doped up
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*** I disagree. She could stand well enough, and was lucid as soon as she saw Daddy come in. I think the "daze" wasn't chemically induced, but what happens when a 17-year-old girl is realizing that she's going to spend the rest of her life as some rich sicko's sex slave.
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** The daughter could still barely stand on her feet and was in a daze. Besides, I'm sure she had to be sedated somehow before getting in that room in that outfit.
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* Did anyone else hate the mother? I felt that she was the most unsympathetic person in the whole film. When we first see her, she is going off on Bryan for coming to his daughter's birthday party. Then she goes off on him because he bought a gift for her. I never could fathom why she was so rude and hateful towards him. Sure, he was gone a lot but it's not like he was just some blue-collar worker. He was in the CIA. He had his reasons. Shouldn't she at least commend him for making the attempt to come back into his daughter's life? Or at the very least, pretend to be civil for the sake of her daughter and not looking like a total CountryMatters? Then she gets mad because Bryan was showing concern that his 17 year old daughter was flying off to France with no adult supervision. She has her daughter blatantly lie to her own father. And worst of all, at no point does she admit that she was wrong or apologize to Bryan for all the shit she was pulling. I would've loved if the movie ended with him roundhouse kicking her in the face.
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* Did anyone else hate the mother? I felt that she was the most unsympathetic person in the whole film. When we first see her, she is going off on Bryan for coming to his daughter's birthday party. Then she goes off on him because he bought a gift for her. That's weird anti-social behavior to treat anyone like that unless they were an AbusiveParent. Bryan obviously wasn't. I never could fathom why she was so rude and hateful towards him. Sure, he was gone a lot but that's not all that bad. I could see it being grounds for divorce but certainly not grounds to be a JerkAss. Besides, it's not like he Bryan was just some blue-collar worker.worker who had little to no reason to be gone so often. He was in the CIA. He had his reasons. Shouldn't reasons... like y'know, saving the world. If he was a jerk who left the house too often, shouldn't she at least commend him for making the attempt to come back into his daughter's life? Or at the very least, pretend to be civil for the sake of her daughter their child and not looking look like a total CountryMatters? Then CountryMatters? Kim was cool with him so it's not like there were any emotional scars from him being gone so often. Later, she gets mad because Bryan was showing concern that his 17 year old daughter was flying off to France with no adult supervision. She has her daughter blatantly lie to her own father.father on top of all that. And worst of all, at no point does she admit that she was wrong or apologize to Bryan for all the shit she was pulling. I mean, it's entirely her fault that her daughter was kidnapped. I would've loved if the movie ended with him roundhouse kicking her in the face.
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* Did anyone else hate the mother? I felt that she was the most unsympathetic person in the whole film. When we first see her, she is going off on Bryan for coming to his daughter's birthday party. Then she goes off on him because he bought a gift for her. I never could fathom why she was so rude and hateful towards him. Sure, he was gone a lot but it's not like he was just some blue-collar worker. He was in the CIA. He had his reasons. Shouldn't she at least commend him for making the attempt to come back into his daughter's life? Or at the very least, pretend to be civil for the sake of her daughter and not looking like a total CountryMatters? Then she gets mad because Bryan was showing concern that his 17 year old daughter was flying off to France with no adult supervision. She has her daughter blatantly lie to her own father. And worst of all, at no point does she admit that she was wrong or apologize to Bryan for all the shit she was pulling. I would've loved if the movie ended with him roundhouse kicking her in the face.
* Did anyone else hate the mother? I felt that she was the most unsympathetic person in the whole film. When we first see her, she is going off on Bryan for coming to his daughter's birthday party. Then she goes off on him because he bought a gift for her. I never could fathom why she was so rude and hateful towards him. Sure, he was gone a lot but it's not like he was just some blue-collar worker. He was in the CIA. He had his reasons. Shouldn't she at least commend him for making the attempt to come back into his daughter's life? Or at the very least, pretend to be civil for the sake of her daughter and not looking like a total CountryMatters? Then she gets mad because Bryan was showing concern that his 17 year old daughter was flying off to France with no adult supervision. She has her daughter blatantly lie to her own father. And worst of all, at no point does she admit that she was wrong or apologize to Bryan for all the shit she was pulling. I would've loved if the movie ended with him roundhouse kicking her in the face.
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***** Yeah, most likely. Crooked cops usually do their jobs if the bad guys get exposed (and I don't think that many dead bad guys can go unnoticed), because doing their jobs is the best way to cover-up their prior crookedness.
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** You ARE aware these girls were infact virgins, right? They fetch a much higher price in the sex-slaver market.
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** The ones fetching the half-million dollars weren't the ones drugged out of their minds.
** The ones fetching the half-million dollars weren't the ones drugged out of their minds.
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* Now, first of all, I am aware that there are a lot of very sick people in the world, but are there really people in the world who pay up to half a million dollars for women who are drugged out of their minds and can't even stand up straight? Not that buying and enslaving people is ever a good thing, but come on! The same goes for the johns on the construction site. Like I said, there might be people who would be sick enough to not care if the prostitute they are having sex with is barely conscious and is obviously being forced into prostitution, but are there enough of them for the Albanians to make a living off of them? To me, these people seemed even sicker than those Albanians.
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** You ARE aware these girls were infact virgins, right? They fetch a much higher price in the sex-slaver market.
** You ARE aware these girls were infact virgins, right? They fetch a much higher price in the sex-slaver market.
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** I just hated the ending altogether. It's like, "Oh, you were kidnapped, drugged, and sold as a sex slave- but here's a singing contract! All better!"
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* Anyone kinda pissed at the ending? I wish they had showed the daughter living part time with Bryan and part time with the mother. The mother was the idiot who told her to lie about her trip in the first place!
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* Anyone kinda pissed at the ending? I wish they had showed the daughter living part time with Bryan and part time with the mother. The mother was the idiot who told her to lie about her trip in the first place!place!
** I agree, it's one of these annoying "everything is screwed up, but we're happy" sort of endings. This movie isn't too realistic to begin with, but they still could have come up with something better.
* Now, first of all, I am aware that there are a lot of very sick people in the world, but are there really people in the world who pay up to half a million dollars for women who are drugged out of their minds and can't even stand up straight? Not that buying and enslaving people is ever a good thing, but come on! The same goes for the johns on the construction site. Like I said, there might be people who would be sick enough to not care if the prostitute they are having sex with is barely conscious and is obviously being forced into prostitution, but are there enough of them for the Albanians to make a living off of them? To me, these people seemed even sicker than those Albanians.
** I agree, it's one of these annoying "everything is screwed up, but we're happy" sort of endings. This movie isn't too realistic to begin with, but they still could have come up with something better.
* Now, first of all, I am aware that there are a lot of very sick people in the world, but are there really people in the world who pay up to half a million dollars for women who are drugged out of their minds and can't even stand up straight? Not that buying and enslaving people is ever a good thing, but come on! The same goes for the johns on the construction site. Like I said, there might be people who would be sick enough to not care if the prostitute they are having sex with is barely conscious and is obviously being forced into prostitution, but are there enough of them for the Albanians to make a living off of them? To me, these people seemed even sicker than those Albanians.
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* Anyone kinda pissed at the ending? I wish they had showed the daughter living part time with Bryan and part time with the mother. The mother was the idiot who told her to lie about her trip in the first place!
* Anyone kinda pissed at the ending? I wish they had showed the daughter living part time with Bryan and part time with the mother. The mother was the idiot who told her to lie about her trip in the first place!
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* Was it ever covered exactly ''why'' there was somebody trying to assassinate an early-20's pop singer?
** Well, it happens with a lot of [[FanDumb crazy male fans]] who believe ''"if I can't have her, nobody can"'', as the botched attempt on Japanese singer-and-voice actress [[NanaMizuki Mizuki Nana]] shows.
* Nothing is ever done to show if [[spoiler: Amanda's family was ever notified of their daughter's murder by overdose, or what actions they took if they were.]]
* It's never really made clear [[spoiler:how long it took Bryan and Kim to get back to America, considering Bryan's all bandaged up and would have possibly needed to chat with the French authorities about that long list of murder victims he's tallied up.]]
* Nor have there been any mention of [[spoiler:Jean-Claude. Was he arrested or kicked out of the department for his connections to the traffickers? What did his wife think of her husband now she knew of his connections?]]
*** [[spoiler:Jean-Claude]] never had any connections to the traffickers; he was aware that his boss was involved, but was only too happy to look the other way.
**** He was happy to look the other way because he was being [[EveryManHasHisPrice paid off]]. That's one hell of a connection.
* Why has no one thought about that girl with Kim's jacket? Are we supposed to assume she found her own lost half-naked way back home?
** There was a phone in her room, wasn't there? She could just call home.
* Was it ever covered exactly ''why'' there was somebody trying to assassinate an early-20's pop singer?
** Well, it happens with a lot of [[FanDumb crazy male fans]] who believe ''"if I can't have her, nobody can"'', as the botched attempt on Japanese singer-and-voice actress [[NanaMizuki Mizuki Nana]] shows.
* Nothing is ever done to show if [[spoiler: Amanda's family was ever notified of their daughter's murder by overdose, or what actions they took if they were.]]
* It's never really made clear [[spoiler:how long it took Bryan and Kim to get back to America, considering Bryan's all bandaged up and would have possibly needed to chat with the French authorities about that long list of murder victims he's tallied up.]]
* Nor have there been any mention of [[spoiler:Jean-Claude. Was he arrested or kicked out of the department for his connections to the traffickers? What did his wife think of her husband now she knew of his connections?]]
*** [[spoiler:Jean-Claude]] never had any connections to the traffickers; he was aware that his boss was involved, but was only too happy to look the other way.
**** He was happy to look the other way because he was being [[EveryManHasHisPrice paid off]]. That's one hell of a connection.
* Why has no one thought about that girl with Kim's jacket? Are we supposed to assume she found her own lost half-naked way back home?
** There was a phone in her room, wasn't there? She could just call home.
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* The villains switch from [[spoiler:smuggling in and enslaving illegal immigrants]] to [[spoiler:[[WallBanger kidnapping several rich white foreigners]] PER DAY]], and from [[spoiler:luring their targets to abandoned buildings]] to [[spoiler: nabbing them out of their rooms WHILE THEY ARE ON THE PHONE]]
** In regards to [[spoiler:switching over to rich white foreigners]], this troper's International Perspectives on Women professor (who saw this movie on this troper's recommendation while we were covering sex-trafficking in class) claimed that this [[RealityIsUnrealistic made sense]] because [[spoiler: said foreigners are going to have a much healthier pedigree than poorer European women and fetch a higher price from wealthier clients]].
*** ''This'' troper wonders just how much of a benefit that really is if the traffickers are then going to enforce their victim's compliance by addicting them to intravenously injected drugs.
*** [That was for the ones who weren't considered high-dollar.
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** In regards to [[spoiler:switching over to rich white foreigners]], this troper's International Perspectives on Women professor (who saw this movie on this troper's recommendation while we were covering sex-trafficking in class) claimed that this [[RealityIsUnrealistic made sense]] because [[spoiler: said foreigners are going to have a much healthier pedigree than poorer European women and fetch a higher price from wealthier clients]].
*** ''This'' troper wonders just how much of a benefit that really is if the traffickers are then going to enforce their victim's compliance by addicting them to intravenously injected drugs.
*** [That was for the ones who weren't considered high-dollar.
