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*** It's mentioned several times in ''Stargate SG-1'' that destroying a gate is very difficult, as they naturally absorb any energy directed at them. Even a single nuke might not do it. That is why they have to build those Mark IX Gatebusters, which are basically naquadah-enhanced nukes. Then you got ''StargateUniverse'' gates which can be taken out by a rogue plasma bolt.
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* Manually. Spin the ring and lock the chevrons. A power source is a different matter, as it is clearly mentioned that the DHD contains the power source.
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*** The spin-off series states that he openly said they were built by aliens, when he said no such thing in the movie.
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** It might be much more powerful than a standard tactical nuke. Given that the SGC pretty much knew what the stargate was before it was activated and that they had the weapon around just waiting to go, they probably wanted the highest yield bomb that could still be carried. They had no idea what kind of threat was on the other side and didn't want to skimp on destructive power. Plus if the nuke went off right after it got to Earth then the naquadah in the stargate itself would amplify the explosion as well. Still not enough to destroy human civilization unless the radioactive fallout is similarly enhanced.
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** '''Ra banned reading and writing on Abydos to prevent the masses from remembering the truth.''' But there was the scene where Daniel learns that Abydan is Egptian which has changed over the millenia. Daniel points to the hiroglyph or "god" and says "neter", Shahrey says "notcher"; Daniel points to the glyph or "altar" and says "hetep", Shahrey says "khotep".
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* I was thinking about this and my best guess is that the coup itself was actually small and among the governing body, thus the truth kept to as few people as possible.
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** I agree here. I also recently watched the movie again for the first time in years (I got the first season of Stargate SG-1 out of the library and I wanted a refresher before getting started), and I felt the same way bout this scene. They aren't even letting a fellow academic state his case. To take a stab at a WildMassGuessing though, maybe this theory was the ElephantInTheLivingRoom that every other academic was avoiding like the plague.
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[[WMG: The people who get up and leave during Daniel's seminar.]]
I just watched that scene for the first time in years. Everyone seems to think that Daniel was written off for saying crazy things about aliens building the pyramids. However, he actually only says that the pyramids were built years before the current assumed date. An audience member asks who he thinks built them, and Daniel replies that he doesn't know. This causes everyone to get up and leave. Why the hell would that cause them to leave? Presumably, he sent word out about this seminar, "Hey guys, I have some new theories about the date of Egyptian pyramid construction. Come hear me talk about them." Again, it's very likely that he wouldn't be putting his reputation on the line if he didn't have evidence. But the audience leaves before he can present anything. He states his thesis: the pyramids were built years earlier than we assumed. An audience member asks a question: who does he (Daniel) think built them. Daniel says he doesn't know and that somehow destroys his credibility.An argument could be made that this isn't the first time he's come out with a crazy theory, and this is just the end of the line. But that was a pretty large crowd. If most people had written him off, they wouldn't be there.
I just watched that scene for the first time in years. Everyone seems to think that Daniel was written off for saying crazy things about aliens building the pyramids. However, he actually only says that the pyramids were built years before the current assumed date. An audience member asks who he thinks built them, and Daniel replies that he doesn't know. This causes everyone to get up and leave. Why the hell would that cause them to leave? Presumably, he sent word out about this seminar, "Hey guys, I have some new theories about the date of Egyptian pyramid construction. Come hear me talk about them." Again, it's very likely that he wouldn't be putting his reputation on the line if he didn't have evidence. But the audience leaves before he can present anything. He states his thesis: the pyramids were built years earlier than we assumed. An audience member asks a question: who does he (Daniel) think built them. Daniel says he doesn't know and that somehow destroys his credibility.An argument could be made that this isn't the first time he's come out with a crazy theory, and this is just the end of the line. But that was a pretty large crowd. If most people had written him off, they wouldn't be there.
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* They very well might have. The ancient Greeks had a word for "atom", after all. It didn't ''technically'' mean the same thing, but it was their word for "the smallest component of matter".
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** Probably the former. As a Goa'uld, he probably ''is'' used to civilizations being centered around the 'Gate, so would naturally assume it's the case with Earthlings. He hasn't been to Earth, so he would have no idea that it's housed under a mountain in a secure bunker.\\\
That said, the bomb's probably a bit stronger than you're making out. Nuclear weapons have a bottom threshold, under which they won't set off the desired reaction. I don't know what it is, but the bomb dropped on Hiroshima is estimated to be about 15 kilotons, and nearly every nuke we've made since has had a higher yield than that.
That said, the bomb's probably a bit stronger than you're making out. Nuclear weapons have a bottom threshold, under which they won't set off the desired reaction. I don't know what it is, but the bomb dropped on Hiroshima is estimated to be about 15 kilotons, and nearly every nuke we've made since has had a higher yield than that.
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[[WMG: Ra severely overestimates the damage a single nuke can do]]
Col. O'Neill brings along a backpack-sized nuke as a failsafe to protect Earth from attack through the Stargate. Such devices don't generally have a huge yield, and in this case certainly wouldn't need it, being just a few feet away from the thing they want to destroy. So we're looking at a few kilotons, ''tops''. Ra wants to send it back with a payload of naquadah to "increase its power a hundred fold" in order to destroy human civilization. Assuming an original yield of about 5 kilotons (which is really quite generous), that would put it at around the middle-range of our own strategic nuclear weapons arsenal, and would be detonated in a remote military bunker underneath a mountain. Apart from the poor saps in the bunker itself, would there even be so much as a single casualty? Even allowing for a little poetic license, Ra would have to increase the yield by ''another'' factor of 100 to even reach the high end of our weaponry, and a ''further'' 100 beyond that just to start getting into ''low-end'' civilization-ending events (wouldn't even be listed on TheOtherWiki's list of significant asteroid impacts). The Chicxulub impact 65 million years ago was a further ''20,000'' times more powerful still. Either Ra thinks Earth's entire civilization is clustered within a few dozen kilometers around the Stargate, or he is severely overestimating our ability to pack an EarthShatteringKaboom into a tiny package.
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Ra says that Earth humans have "harnessed the power of the atom". Yes, I'm sure the ancient Egyptians had a word for a the smallest indivisible form of matter.matter, and passed that info on down through the years - all this and modern scholars don't buy the Egyptians had alien technology. Right.
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Ra says that Earth humans have "harnessed the power of the atom". Yes, I'm sure the ancient Egyptians had a word for a the smallest indivisible form of matter.
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Yes, yes, ''{{Stargate SG-1}}'' shows a DHD on Abydos. But: one, in the movie the concept of a DHD was never even mentioned; and two, even the series didn't particularly bother to explain this, saying that they dug up the device later.
Yes, yes, ''{{Stargate SG-1}}'' shows a DHD on Abydos. But: one, in the movie the concept of a DHD was never even mentioned; and two, even the series didn't particularly bother to explain this, saying that they dug up the device later.
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** And there numerous precedents of mankind [[{{Nohamotyo}} forgetting things after a few short years,not years]], not to mention several millennia. Julia Roberts was almost Mrs. Keifer Sutherland in the early 1990's. How many people remember that fact?
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*** Well, in the [=TV=] series at least, it's stated that ''signals'' can go both ways, but ''objects'' cannot. [[HandWave cannot]]. I don't think they ever give a reason]], reason, though.
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*** Well, in the [=TV=] series at least, it's stated that ''signals'' can go both ways, but ''objects'' cannot. [[HandWave I don't think they ever give a reason, reason]], though.
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** They did. They went and searched the pyramid, and while they were doing that they were ambushed; if you watch the scene, Ra's goons sneak up on them and shoot/club them into submission while they're searching.
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** Also the Stargate was buried,so returning to Earth wasn't an option.
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** The ''special forces'' had the element of surprise? Were you watching the same movie I was? Because I sorta remember ''them'' being the ones who ended up being taken by surprise and ambushed.
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*** Also, in the movie, Abydos and Earth are supposed to be in separate galaxies. That's one hell of a road trip if you've got other things to do. Maybe Ra decided to avert HonorBeforeReason and write Earth off as not worth the trouble? Even on StargateAtlantis, traveling to another galaxy by relatively conventional means doesn't become practical without the help of technology considerably more sufficiently advanced than what the Goa'uld have access to.
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** Well remember that according to the movie's continuity the rebellion on Earth occurred many, many years before the civilization we now know as "Ancient Egypt" ever came to be. That's a long time for people to forget Ra's general dickishness and go back to worshipping his legends. Alternatively, it's possible that the humans who actually rebelled against Ra were in the minority and the rest still worshipped him as a god. After the Stargate was buried they probably slaughtered the vile heretics who drove their god away with their sinfulness and spent the next few thousand years praying to Ra, telling stories of Ra's power and love for his children, and building pyramids in preparation for Ra's glorious return. Thus, Ancient Egypt was born.
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[[WMG:If Ra was rejected and cast out by the ancient humans in Egypt, why the hell was he still worshipped for thousands of years afterwards? Did everyone forget what a colossal douchebag tyrant he was?]]
I suppose we're supposed to believe that over the centuries, his oppressive regime was largely forgotten and only his name and image and fanciful tales of his divine power were remembered and became part of legend. It makes no sense for a tribe of people to continue worshipping a being as a god if they themselves defeated that so-called god and drove him away. The rose-tinted glasses effect must have taken hold over the Egyptian people.
* But this opens another can of worms: in the movie, Daniel Jackson stated that after the rebellion on Earth, Ra banned reading and writing on Abydos to prevent the masses from remembering the truth. It seems he had nothing to fear as the humans on Earth retained writing and still managed to forget what a prick Ra was, while still remembering he had "godlike" power.
* And further still, why in all that time did Ra not return to Earth to see how the humans were progressing? Earth was only the source of his labour force, for crying out loud. If he had returned after a couple of thousand years after the first rebellion, he would have been welcomed as the all-powerful god that the legends said he was, with the dirty parts of his reign forgotten.
I suppose we're supposed to believe that over the centuries, his oppressive regime was largely forgotten and only his name and image and fanciful tales of his divine power were remembered and became part of legend. It makes no sense for a tribe of people to continue worshipping a being as a god if they themselves defeated that so-called god and drove him away. The rose-tinted glasses effect must have taken hold over the Egyptian people.
* But this opens another can of worms: in the movie, Daniel Jackson stated that after the rebellion on Earth, Ra banned reading and writing on Abydos to prevent the masses from remembering the truth. It seems he had nothing to fear as the humans on Earth retained writing and still managed to forget what a prick Ra was, while still remembering he had "godlike" power.
* And further still, why in all that time did Ra not return to Earth to see how the humans were progressing? Earth was only the source of his labour force, for crying out loud. If he had returned after a couple of thousand years after the first rebellion, he would have been welcomed as the all-powerful god that the legends said he was, with the dirty parts of his reign forgotten.
