History Headscratchers / Stargate

14th Jan '16 9:25:24 PM laserviking42
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*** Bit of a strawman academic polemic there. The general rule in academia is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and longstanding academic theories are overturned quite regularly once they are properly backed up (look at the theory of plate tectonics which was counter to accepted theories at the time introduced, but accepted as the science backs it up). Daniel doesn't have extraordinary evidence at hand, no newly discovered hieroglyphic records, no radiological dating evidence, no real archaeological evidence and seems to mostly spin older evidence into a new form. The real surprise is that anyone showed up to begin with given he had nothing new.
5th Oct '15 5:05:08 PM ErikModi
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** Indeed. The upper circles of academia can be almost like conservative religion. If you don't have a mountain of proof for a divergent theory (and sometimes even if you do), good luck getting anyone to take even a plausible and rational idea seriously. This is more common in the "softer" sciences, since you can't really observe or measure them in the way you can a chemical element or physics equation. Also, this troper was left with the impression, even on first viewing, that Daniel Jackson had already mentioned some unpopular ideas about ''who'' actually built the pyramids, and the guy asking it in his presentation intended it as an ArmorPiercingQuestion. This is also a common, if underhanded, tactic in academic debate: discredit the scientist, discredit the theory. There are a few subtle hints in the film that Jackson had previously stated he was a proponent of an AncientAstronauts theory, most notably in the scene where Catherine approaches him to work on the Stargate. If memory serves, she actually offers him the opportunity to prove his theories are right (i.e., aliens actually did build the pyramids, thousands of years before accepted academic theory states they were built.)
24th Mar '14 2:41:52 AM av8r1
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*It's even worse on the return trip. Daniel and Sha're found a cartouche containing Earth's address, but the seventh symbol is "worn off." They now KNOW the behavior of the gate system, and they know the point of origin symbol isn't one of the ones in the address. That means they have to try at most 33 times to open the gate.
21st Mar '14 4:47:39 AM av8r1
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*Given that they didn't know how the gate worked or what the symbols were, the behavior of the gate should have been a guide. When you hook the gate up and dial the six symbols they had, the gate starts with the second chevron from the bottom left, then second from bottom right, and works up the gate. That would leave the top chevron sitting there unlit. That would suggest to me a combination lock with a 7 digit code, and I know six of the numbers. I would then try randomly dialing a 7 digit code starting with the 6 given symbols and then trying the remaining 33 in sequence (since the given symbols don't repeat and the series establishes the gate has 39 symbols). Had that failed, I would then probably try 8 or 9 digit codes since there are nine chevrons on the gate.
7th Mar '14 8:47:00 PM darthpaul
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** The "It's your call" line from O'Neill was in the ''original'' theatrical release, it's only the director's cut that makes it "He's full of shit." Not sure why the change, unless it was to ratchet up the conflict between Danial and the Colonel from step 1. Either way, this is not an indication that the General ''knows'' Jackson can or can't activate the Gate from the other side, since how the hell would O'Neill know he could or couldn't either? The revised line merely indicates Jack's skepticism and/or pessimism about Daniel.
15th Jan '14 4:11:37 PM doornik1142
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**** If you've seen the extended cut, they DID know there's a serious threat to earth on the other side, in the form of fossilized Anubis guards that were discovered with the gate.
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**** *** If you've seen the extended cut, they DID know there's a serious threat to earth on the other side, in the form of fossilized Anubis guards that were discovered with the gate.gate. *** Fossilized aliens found near the gate are not proof of a current threat. They are proof of a ''past'' threat. Actually, they're not even proof of that because until they actually met Ra and found out what an asshole he was they had no reason to believe the aliens were hostile.
30th Aug '13 10:32:53 PM casualobserver
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** A little FridgeLogic might indicate a simple shift in mentality of the situation, combined with the adrenaline rush of the nuke about to go off combined with the battle having just ended. Basically, think of it from the perspective of the bomber pilot versus the special forces soldier. The special forces soldier kills face to face, often at close range sometimes with a blade or other melee weapon. He sees the faces of the enemies he kills and has to live with and[=/=]or justify his actions. Killing children would be abhorrent to him as they represent the future of a given civilization (even if said civilization is going to end up becoming a destroyer of worlds). The bomber pilot on the other hand kills far more people in one strike with a bomb drop, yet because he never sees any of the victims of his strike, he has a clearer conscience about the situation. It may not be any more morally just, but it is all a matter of perspective.

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23rd Jun '13 5:42:04 PM 84788484
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*** Right. Remember, it's both gates linking up, not just the dialing gate tossing a wormhole out there. The seventh chevron probably tells the receiving gate "Here's where I am" to prevent the wormhole from drifting.

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* And maybe the helmets have an "intimidate" mode that they just never got around to using in the movie, where they show more teeth.

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** You'd prefer he let Ra nuke Earth just so he could feel better about his moral superiority? Ra wasn't in the process of nuking Earth the first time, the second time he was.

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** Leaving guards might mean the guards get bored, wander off to one of Ra's enemies, start hanging out with the Abydosians and saying "Nah, he's not a god, he's just an asshole" or something like that. Ra's guards are in on TheMasquerade so he probably doesn't want to leave them unsupervised amongst his slaves.
23rd Jun '13 5:33:41 PM 84788484
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*** It probably had more power in it than that, Ra had linked his ship's systems up to it so he could dial Earth, it probably had decently full backup batteries.
23rd Jun '13 5:32:16 PM 84788484
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** "Special forces" doesn't equal "superheroes". They're still flesh-and-blood people, fighting guys in helmets with full sensory apparatus, bulletproof armored bits, and blaster weapons. There's a difference between "losing" and "being a loser".
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