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Okay, I get 3 Evas per country. Makes sense, these are powerful weapons of mass destruction. However, why hasn't other countries sent their evas piloted by their troops? I may be wrong here, but after WWII, America disbanded Japan's army, so they are responsible for them too. Why aren't there American evas running around? I'm kinda thinking about how in Stargate they had some Russian troops running around in the later series for political shenanigans.
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Okay, I get 3 Evas per country. Makes sense, these are powerful weapons of mass destruction. However, why hasn't other countries sent their evas piloted by their troops? I may be wrong here, but after WWII, America disbanded Japan's army, so they are responsible for them too. Why aren't there American evas running around? I'm kinda thinking about how in Stargate they had some Russian troops running around in the later series for political shenanigans.shenanigans.
** Unit 02 is European. The American Evas tend to have horrible things happen to them. Anyway, that's how Mari took over Unit 02, Europe sent her over as reinforcements. At least, that's one way to look at it, we haven't found out her deal yet.
** Unit 02 is European. The American Evas tend to have horrible things happen to them. Anyway, that's how Mari took over Unit 02, Europe sent her over as reinforcements. At least, that's one way to look at it, we haven't found out her deal yet.
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** Basically, you're right - in acting to save Rei, his mindset is basically 'screw the world and screw reality because I don't care about that anymore'. This is EOE Shinji, thrown in earlier - he doesn't believe there's any reason to live. At this point - after losing faith in Gendo, after almost killing Asuka - Rei is the only thing he BELIEVES he has left, the only thing that's worth anything to him. And he was willing to end the WORLD - including Misato, Touji, everyone at NERV who believes in him - just to get her back. Essentially, Anno has finally Deconstructed AlwaysSaveTheGirl. If Kaworu hadn't intervened, the story would be over, then and there.
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** Basically, you're right - in acting to save Rei, his mindset is basically 'screw the world and screw reality because I don't care about that anymore'. This is EOE Shinji, thrown in earlier - he doesn't believe there's any reason to live. At this point - after losing faith in Gendo, after almost killing Asuka - Rei is the only thing he BELIEVES he has left, the only thing that's worth anything to him. And he was willing to end the WORLD - including Misato, Touji, everyone at NERV who believes in him - just to get her back. Essentially, Anno has finally Deconstructed AlwaysSaveTheGirl. If Kaworu hadn't intervened, the story would be over, then and there.there.
[[WMG: The Vatican Treaty]]
Okay, I get 3 Evas per country. Makes sense, these are powerful weapons of mass destruction. However, why hasn't other countries sent their evas piloted by their troops? I may be wrong here, but after WWII, America disbanded Japan's army, so they are responsible for them too. Why aren't there American evas running around? I'm kinda thinking about how in Stargate they had some Russian troops running around in the later series for political shenanigans.
[[WMG: The Vatican Treaty]]
Okay, I get 3 Evas per country. Makes sense, these are powerful weapons of mass destruction. However, why hasn't other countries sent their evas piloted by their troops? I may be wrong here, but after WWII, America disbanded Japan's army, so they are responsible for them too. Why aren't there American evas running around? I'm kinda thinking about how in Stargate they had some Russian troops running around in the later series for political shenanigans.
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*** Because the plugsuit is baggy, baggy means not a good seal, which means that the air in it should have escaped the moment that he hit vacuum. A possible explanation is that the plugsuit does not actually vacuum-wrap itself but does some sort of electro-shrinkage thing.
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** Do you ''really'' want him to be put through the Bardiel experience again? Besides, even if Touji was put into a different EVA, what good would he get to do in the series, being so inexperienced at fighting? And at this late point, things are escalating to critical point. Realistically, NERV can only rely on the best, and since they HAVE other pilots this time around (Mari, and POSSIBLY Kaworu), there's no need to simply pull someone out who's never been involved before. Not to mention, in the original series there wasn't much reason for WHY someone else couldn't test Unit 03 (at least in the primary stages). It mostly has to do with plotting - they wanted Shinji to break down even MORE, so that the Zeruel battle would have a different outcome (his desperation to save Rei). And in-story, it's justified by stating that one country can have no more than 3 Active EVAs at one time. Hence, putting Asuka in the cockpit of the Entry Plug in his place. I will agree, however, that his diminished role is saddening on a fan's level ...
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* I'm on this particular bandwagon. The thing that makes me see the final scene in a negativish light is not the fact that Shinji tries to rescue someone he cares for. It's his mindset. "I don't care about this world" and all that. Why, Ritsuko, in a sudden burst of exposition, mentions that because of Shinji's overwhelming desire to save Rei, Eva-01 basically became a giant wish-granting machine, that is bending reality around itself to turn Shinji's "wish" (note that the theme of the song, "Tsubasa Wo Kudasai", is wanting a wish to be fulfilled) into a reality. Unwittingly or not, Shinji's actions and desires slowly put a wall between him (and Rei) and the larger world, all of which culminates when Kaworu basically traps them in Eva-01.
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* I'm on this particular bandwagon. The thing that makes me see the final scene in a negativish light is not the fact that Shinji tries to rescue someone he cares for. It's his mindset. "I don't care about this world" and all that. Why, Ritsuko, in a sudden burst of exposition, mentions that because of Shinji's overwhelming desire to save Rei, Eva-01 basically became a giant wish-granting machine, that is bending reality around itself to turn Shinji's "wish" (note that the theme of the song, "Tsubasa Wo Kudasai", is wanting a wish to be fulfilled) into a reality. Unwittingly or not, Shinji's actions and desires slowly put a wall between him (and Rei) and the larger world, all of which culminates when Kaworu basically traps them in Eva-01.Eva-01.
** Basically, you're right - in acting to save Rei, his mindset is basically 'screw the world and screw reality because I don't care about that anymore'. This is EOE Shinji, thrown in earlier - he doesn't believe there's any reason to live. At this point - after losing faith in Gendo, after almost killing Asuka - Rei is the only thing he BELIEVES he has left, the only thing that's worth anything to him. And he was willing to end the WORLD - including Misato, Touji, everyone at NERV who believes in him - just to get her back. Essentially, Anno has finally Deconstructed AlwaysSaveTheGirl. If Kaworu hadn't intervened, the story would be over, then and there.
** Basically, you're right - in acting to save Rei, his mindset is basically 'screw the world and screw reality because I don't care about that anymore'. This is EOE Shinji, thrown in earlier - he doesn't believe there's any reason to live. At this point - after losing faith in Gendo, after almost killing Asuka - Rei is the only thing he BELIEVES he has left, the only thing that's worth anything to him. And he was willing to end the WORLD - including Misato, Touji, everyone at NERV who believes in him - just to get her back. Essentially, Anno has finally Deconstructed AlwaysSaveTheGirl. If Kaworu hadn't intervened, the story would be over, then and there.
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I've seen people saying that Shinji saving Rei from inside Zeruel is a rejection of reality, and a bad thing. How? He has now idea that pulling her out will trigger third impact. As far as he knows, she's trapped and he can save it. Do you tell someone who's fallen down a hole "Sorry but saving you is a rejection of reality, so I'm leaving you to die."?
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I've seen people saying that Shinji saving Rei from inside Zeruel is a rejection of reality, and a bad thing. How? He has now idea that pulling her out will trigger third impact. As far as he knows, she's trapped and he can save it. Do you tell someone who's fallen down a hole "Sorry but saving you is a rejection of reality, so I'm leaving you to die."?"?
*I'm on this particular bandwagon. The thing that makes me see the final scene in a negativish light is not the fact that Shinji tries to rescue someone he cares for. It's his mindset. "I don't care about this world" and all that. Why, Ritsuko, in a sudden burst of exposition, mentions that because of Shinji's overwhelming desire to save Rei, Eva-01 basically became a giant wish-granting machine, that is bending reality around itself to turn Shinji's "wish" (note that the theme of the song, "Tsubasa Wo Kudasai", is wanting a wish to be fulfilled) into a reality. Unwittingly or not, Shinji's actions and desires slowly put a wall between him (and Rei) and the larger world, all of which culminates when Kaworu basically traps them in Eva-01.
*I'm on this particular bandwagon. The thing that makes me see the final scene in a negativish light is not the fact that Shinji tries to rescue someone he cares for. It's his mindset. "I don't care about this world" and all that. Why, Ritsuko, in a sudden burst of exposition, mentions that because of Shinji's overwhelming desire to save Rei, Eva-01 basically became a giant wish-granting machine, that is bending reality around itself to turn Shinji's "wish" (note that the theme of the song, "Tsubasa Wo Kudasai", is wanting a wish to be fulfilled) into a reality. Unwittingly or not, Shinji's actions and desires slowly put a wall between him (and Rei) and the larger world, all of which culminates when Kaworu basically traps them in Eva-01.
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** Hey, I'm a recent fan and it bothers me just as much. Maybe it's just 'cause I have a soft spot for him...
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** Hey, I'm a recent fan and it bothers me just as much. Maybe it's just 'cause I have a soft spot for him...him...
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I've seen people saying that Shinji saving Rei from inside Zeruel is a rejection of reality, and a bad thing. How? He has now idea that pulling her out will trigger third impact. As far as he knows, she's trapped and he can save it. Do you tell someone who's fallen down a hole "Sorry but saving you is a rejection of reality, so I'm leaving you to die."?
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I've seen people saying that Shinji saving Rei from inside Zeruel is a rejection of reality, and a bad thing. How? He has now idea that pulling her out will trigger third impact. As far as he knows, she's trapped and he can save it. Do you tell someone who's fallen down a hole "Sorry but saving you is a rejection of reality, so I'm leaving you to die."?
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** Something that is often missed in Sahaquiel's attack is that there appears to be a gigantic dam against the tide of blood around the central (read: important) part of the city. Only the outskirts of Tokyo-3 got destroyed. Whoever was in charge of building that city was one of the most CrazyPrepared people in fiction, if they could predict and plan for a tidal wave of blood coming their way.
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*** Just an interesting note... why did the jews stay in Germany until it was locked up even though they KNEW some shit was going down? Because it's their home.
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** Hey remember in the original series where they said Second Impact was caused by a meteor crashing into the earth, but we find out it really wasn't? Nerv has lied to the public before, perhaps there's really another reason for the oceans being red that they don't want the public to know about.
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**** This troper thinks that...well...it's probably Mari's fault. Having to make room for her Touji probably didn't have a place at NERV in Rebuild. However seeing as how Rebuild mentions UNIT FIVE and Mark SIX, they could have at least TRIED to get an EVA unit in there for him. There's a lot of differences between Neon Genesis and Rebuild and this troper doesn't know which he likes more. Maybe I'm just glad Evangelion is back (five years ago when I was in fourth grade and Neon Genesis aired on adult swim I stayed up every Thursday to watch. And I was PISSED when I missed an episode. I liked the series just that much and that's why I can bring myself to HATE rebuild but just to adapt to the changes and enjoy what it is.)
**** This troper thinks that...well...it's probably Mari's fault. Having to make room for her Touji probably didn't have a place at NERV in Rebuild. However seeing as how Rebuild mentions UNIT FIVE and Mark SIX, they could have at least TRIED to get an EVA unit in there for him. There's a lot of differences between Neon Genesis and Rebuild and this troper doesn't know which he likes more. Maybe I'm just glad Evangelion is back (five years ago when I was in fourth grade and Neon Genesis aired on adult swim I stayed up every Thursday to watch. And I was PISSED when I missed an episode. I liked the series just that much and that's why I can bring myself to HATE rebuild but just to adapt to the changes and enjoy what it is.)
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*** In the manga, Asuka owns up Gaghiel within 36 seconds. She also comes up with Misato's ship finish plan by herself. When she ends up in Tokyo-3, she trashes a group of street toughs single-handedly. If anything, it's dodging the Worf Effect she got in the anime.
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* Because he only got to be a pilot so Shinji could Wangst about having to kill/maim a friend. Demote Touji to an extra, have Asuka get scraped; you preserve Conservation of Characters and get to have a reason for Asuka to rock the Test Suit.
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**** This troper thinks that...well...it's probably Mari's fault. Having to make room for her Touji probably didn't have a place at NERV in Rebuild. However seeing as how Rebuild mentions UNIT FIVE and Mark SIX, they could have at least TRIED to get an EVA unit in there for him. There's a lot of differences between Neon Genesis and Rebuild and this troper doesn't know which he likes more. Maybe I'm just glad Evangelion is back (five years ago when I was in fourth grade and Neon Genesis aired on adult swim I stayed up every Thursday to watch. And I was PISSED when I missed an episode. I liked the series just that much and that's why I can bring myself to HATE rebuild but just to adapt to the changes and enjoy what it is.)
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**** This troper thinks that...well...it's probably Mari's fault. Having to make room for her Touji probably didn't have a place at NERV in Rebuild. However seeing as how Rebuild mentions UNIT FIVE and Mark SIX, they could have at least TRIED to get an EVA unit in there for him. There's a lot of differences between Neon Genesis and Rebuild and this troper doesn't know which he likes more. Maybe I'm just glad Evangelion is back (five years ago when I was in fourth grade and Neon Genesis aired on adult swim I stayed up every Thursday to watch. And I was PISSED when I missed an episode. I liked the series just that much and that's why I can bring myself to HATE rebuild but just to adapt to the changes and enjoy what it is.))
** Hey, I'm a recent fan and it bothers me just as much. Maybe it's just 'cause I have a soft spot for him...
** Hey, I'm a recent fan and it bothers me just as much. Maybe it's just 'cause I have a soft spot for him...
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**** This troper thinks that...well...it's probably Mari's fault. Having to make room for her Touji probably didn't have a place at NERV in Rebuild. However seeing as how Rebuild mentions UNIT FIVE and Mark SIX, they could have at least TRIED to get an EVA unit in there for him. There's a lot of differences between Neon Genesis and Rebuild and this troper doesn't know which he likes more. Maybe I'm just glad Evangelion is back (five years ago when I was in fourth grade and Neon Genesis aired on adult swim I stayed up every Thursday to watch. And I was PISSED when I missed an episode. I liked the series just that much and that's why I can bring myself to HATE rebuild but just to adapt to the changes and enjoy what it is.)
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[[WMG:Why isn't Touji a pilot anymore?]]
Why? Him and other characters being DemotedToExtra is probably the only thing that really bothered me about Rebuild... really just a nitpicky JBM, but still.
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*** ...''Kaji explains that there was a lot of work done off-screen just to make sure that humans could survive post-Second Impact.'' There's also a few mentions about artificial food. It's all said during the field trip in 2.22.
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** I'm literally going to guess this one got completely forgotten by our dear friends at Gainax. The best thing to do is to recite the MST3KMantra if you can and try to enjoy it, though now I'll be staring at the red water too and going "that's not right."
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*** ... the second answer isn't to the oxygenation question. It's a response to why the rivers and lakes aren't red while the oceans are.
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** Your second answer doesn't answer the question; freshwater algae isn't enough to keep the atmosphere oxygenated enough even for a post-second impact population size, only saltwater algae is enough to keep the earth breathing. So even if the rivers aren't contaminated, everyone should still be gasping for breath like they had just climbed the Himalayas all the time at the very least. Maybe what the answer is that the algae isn't affected by the red ocean water, or, if Rebuild is a sequel, LCL preforms the same function of oxygenating the atmosphere and somehow acts like a desiccant, but only for CO2. Or something...
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* Kaji explains that there was a lot of work done off-screen just to make sure that humans could survive post-Second Impact. As for the second question, not all lakes have a direct link to the sea, and the rivers wouldn't necessarily be contaminated, for the same reason rivers are fresh water and the ocean is salt water.
* Kaji explains that there was a lot of work done off-screen just to make sure that humans could survive post-Second Impact. As for the second question, not all lakes have a direct link to the sea, and the rivers wouldn't necessarily be contaminated, for the same reason rivers are fresh water and the ocean is salt water.
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** In fact, it's a bit of a {{Chekhovs Gun}}. The only reason that Asuka got sidelined earlier was because the European branch still had complete control over the operation of Unit 02.
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** It's a movie. They couldn't give every angel equal screentime while still keeping in the essentials, i.e. character development, exposition, backstory. They did make the battle with Sahaquiel to be more serious than it was in the series. Clockiel had a pretty lame battle, though.
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** It's a movie. They couldn't give every angel equal screentime while still keeping in the essentials, i.e. character development, exposition, backstory. They did make the battle with Sahaquiel to be more serious than it was in the series. Clockiel had a pretty lame battle, though. though.
*** 'Clockiel' is at least partially based on the original 9th Angel, Matariel - perhaps the weakest in the whole series - and it ''did'' get to cause some explosion and use a better AT field than Matariel. But I think that the opening sequence with Clockiel was the to showcase just how ''much'' of an Ace Pilot Asuka is - face it, Shinji could ''not'' have performed those stunts in her position. Asuka in the movie is also shown to have quite nifty, above-average reflexes during the movie: giving Shinji a flying-kick when he sees her naked, for instance. It's probably a clever, subtle way of emphasising how she's trained her ''whole life'' to be an EVA pilot. And when you consider how she struggled to kill even a single angel single-handedly in the original anime - she didn't BTW, she needed help in ''every'' battle - showing all those years of training paying off in 'Rebuild' seems a pretty natural choice. Like saying to Shinji, "here's this giant Angel that would have trashed you on your first sortie, and this girl who's never seen real combat before beats it without getting scratched - because ''she was prepared''.
** Not to mention, aspects of different Angels were essentially ''melded'' into others. The 3rd Angel was a bit like what would've happened if Sandalphon - the embryo Angel - had been captured and studied for a while before escaping; even fights in pretty hazardous conditions. The 7th Angel ('Clockiel') destroyed ships at sea a la Gaghiel, and looks a lot like Matariel. Bardiel ''may'' have integrated aspects of Arael and/or Armisael - Asuka has been quarantined for possible ''[[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything mental contamination]]'', meaning we might see something similar to the infamous MindRape scene. And Zeruel's [[spoiler: devouring of Rei and Unit-00, taking on a new, more powerful form, is essentially what would have happened if Armisael had succeeded in merging with Rei - though this time, Shinji is able to save her life]]. Taking this into account, it's not impossible that (besides Kaworu) the Angels which appear in the next film - two or three others I presume - may be ''new'' or Composite Angels. ''Or'' they may be earlier Angels - Iruel and Sandalphon are unlikely; but Gaghiel and Israfel aren't impossible, especially if there's ''another'' new pilot who gets to tear Gaghiel a new one at sea; Leliel is quite possible as well, if the writers decide that ''it'' was responsible for the destruction of Unit-04 in this particular timeline. Or we may simply get modified Arael and Armisael - only time will tell.
*** 'Clockiel' is at least partially based on the original 9th Angel, Matariel - perhaps the weakest in the whole series - and it ''did'' get to cause some explosion and use a better AT field than Matariel. But I think that the opening sequence with Clockiel was the to showcase just how ''much'' of an Ace Pilot Asuka is - face it, Shinji could ''not'' have performed those stunts in her position. Asuka in the movie is also shown to have quite nifty, above-average reflexes during the movie: giving Shinji a flying-kick when he sees her naked, for instance. It's probably a clever, subtle way of emphasising how she's trained her ''whole life'' to be an EVA pilot. And when you consider how she struggled to kill even a single angel single-handedly in the original anime - she didn't BTW, she needed help in ''every'' battle - showing all those years of training paying off in 'Rebuild' seems a pretty natural choice. Like saying to Shinji, "here's this giant Angel that would have trashed you on your first sortie, and this girl who's never seen real combat before beats it without getting scratched - because ''she was prepared''.
** Not to mention, aspects of different Angels were essentially ''melded'' into others. The 3rd Angel was a bit like what would've happened if Sandalphon - the embryo Angel - had been captured and studied for a while before escaping; even fights in pretty hazardous conditions. The 7th Angel ('Clockiel') destroyed ships at sea a la Gaghiel, and looks a lot like Matariel. Bardiel ''may'' have integrated aspects of Arael and/or Armisael - Asuka has been quarantined for possible ''[[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything mental contamination]]'', meaning we might see something similar to the infamous MindRape scene. And Zeruel's [[spoiler: devouring of Rei and Unit-00, taking on a new, more powerful form, is essentially what would have happened if Armisael had succeeded in merging with Rei - though this time, Shinji is able to save her life]]. Taking this into account, it's not impossible that (besides Kaworu) the Angels which appear in the next film - two or three others I presume - may be ''new'' or Composite Angels. ''Or'' they may be earlier Angels - Iruel and Sandalphon are unlikely; but Gaghiel and Israfel aren't impossible, especially if there's ''another'' new pilot who gets to tear Gaghiel a new one at sea; Leliel is quite possible as well, if the writers decide that ''it'' was responsible for the destruction of Unit-04 in this particular timeline. Or we may simply get modified Arael and Armisael - only time will tell.
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***** Nope, the Third Angel was just trying to escape. They were experimenting on it. It didn't attack Bethany Base at all.
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**** But in Rebuild, we know for sure that angels are also attacking other places in the world. It's never made clear in the original series, but Marie was somewhere else fighting SOMETHING at the start of Rebuild 2. So just moving to another city doesn't mean you won't have to put up with angel battles.
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*** In the first movie it is mentioned by several civilians that people have been leaving. Apparently just not enough to close down things like schools or stores.
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** The change could be a hint about something we'll see in later movies or it could be a case of ButNotTooForeign. Shikinami sounds more like an average name in an anime today even if Soryu was the name of an aircraft carrier.
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*** Of course they also bring their children to the (very) dangerous city and even if the Angels do get beaten the damage caused means that you could very well get killed regardless.
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** It seems like the safest place on Earth if you look at it one way. It has more defenses than any place on Earth probably, with the tradeoff that it holds the Macguffin that all the angels are trying to get to. If Tokyo-3 falls, everyone on the planet is fucked anyway, so why NOT live there?
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