History Headscratchers / OceansEleven

* In the first movie, tunneling to Bennedict's Vault is said to be impossible because he has such good security measures "If a groundhog nests within a thousand yards, they know about it." So why is it that in the third film, Banks' casino (With even better security) has no such sensors? They'd have picked up the drill ''weeks'' before it even got close enough to the tower's foundation. Heck, wouldn't the drill have triggered ''every casino in town'' with such sensitive sensors?

** And furthermore, RealityIsUnrealistic. I work with a guy who has a strong to NoahAntwiler. That doesn't mean the guy I work with ''is'' Noah Antwiler nor would I think anything other than "Hey, that guy looks like The Spoony One." I ''do'' call him "Spoony", though.

* The somewhat infamous use of Tess's resemblance of JuliaRoberts as a plot device brings up a number of questions involving the CelebrityParadox. The most obvious one is, of course, why does no body recognize Danny, Rusty, and Linus as Creator/GeorgeClooney, Creator/BradPitt, and Creator/MattDamon, not to mention the rest of the Eleven. Made worse by the film's AllStarCast, making every character played by an actor people would recognize. This brings up the additional, smaller question of what the in-universe JuliaRoberts was doing rather than filming Ocean's Eleven at the time she was (Assuming the movie doesn't exist in this universe, otherwise the Eleven would be rather creeped out about the film perfectly imitating their lives), which opens the floodgates for a whole ton of other questions involving whether or not actors and movies exist in the Ocean's Eleven universe... The only possible comprehensible explanation is that all the actors that exist in our universe exist in theirs, but JuliaRoberts is the only one that looks the same in both, though this leaves questions about the Ocean's Eleven movie's existence open, and doesn't cover the effects that the actor's different looks would have on their careers in-universe as opposed to ours... Yeah, it's a bit of a Headscratcher explosion.

* And in case that isn't a problem, the grid is said to be changing "randomly". Night Fox would need access to the RNG, and calculate a dance hours in advance. If he were THAT deep into the network, couldn't he just shut the lasers off?

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* Why does Benedict hire an outsider to beat up Danny. Besides the fact that he runs the risk of Danny overpowering the guy (Since he's not restrained or anything), he's already got two sizeable goons who do his goon work for him and whom he clearly trusts enough to send them to find Danny. Not counting that bribing two guys is harder than one. [[/folder]]

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** Danny and his crew are far too classy for that

* Why, exactly, was the Julia Roberts ploy necessary in Ocean's Twelve? The actual plan involved them getting caught (so Rusty could get Isabel back), they just figured they would get caught after pulling the (staged) job. All the ploy did was get the others arrested as well, when they could have easily just stayed put when everyone was picked up in front of the museum the first time. There's no reason for it. 1) The Night Fox already thinks they're busted and he's won, they don't need to actually fake the attempt for his benefit. 2) Getting Isabel back happened during their extradition, which happens either way.

*** True, but Livingston specifically asked Roman to keep his asking for help on "the down-low". Thus, if Roman did so, none of the other crew members would have known that Livingston's arrest was just as planned. It's possible Roman could have agreed to help and then told Danny and the others without Livingston's knowledge, but it still shows an uncharacteristic lack of planning when they have to scramble to keep Livingston's identity and known associates (i.e., themselves) out of Bank's system. And Roman couldn't have turned Livingston down, and then shown up anyway, because when he's arrested Livingston gives the little smirk in the squad car that says that being taken away and his machines replaced is just what he wanted.
*** A new wrinkle that is introduced that I just now noticed after rewatching the movie: Well after the point when Livingston is supposedly arrested, he is back on the communicator telling Rusty exactly which slot machine to prime for the back door program, with no surprise from Rusty or anything to indicate that his being there is in any way out of the ordinary.

*** Bank says, "I don't ''want'' to." But if that's the angle, then Reuben was just TooDumbToLive, going up to a high building in the middle of the night to meet with somebody who would be willing to throw him off.
**** Reuben didn't ''believe'' that Bank was going to do something like that to him. When he says "What, are you going to throw me off the roof," he's being sarcastic. Essentially, he ''is'' telling Bank that Bank can't force him to sell. Until it happened, he didn't expect Bank to screw him over at all. And even if Reuben did expect Bank to try and cheat him out of half of an expensive casino, there's a big gap between a hard-dealing businessman and a murderer. So when Bank suddenly implies that he's willing to kill Reuben, it comes as a shock and a surprise.
***** But I thought it's mentioned later that Banks has a history of ruthlessness, surely Reuben's should have seen it coming. On that note, given this is Banks' fifth (or 6th or whatever) casino/hotel, surely he either has the bad rep already or why does he suddenly flip and become evil, it must be one of the two.
****** It was actually sort of mentioned when Ruben goes on his whole spiel about defending Bank and having faith that he (Bank) wouldn't screw over Reuben as Bank had done to all his prior partners.
***** And, besides, they both "shook Sinatra's hand". There's an understanding between guys like that. Unless you're a schmuck. Reuben didn't realize Banks was a schmuck, despite being warned about him. (Y'know, when you put quotes around "shook Sinatra's hand", it looks like it means something dirty, doesn't it? Or is it just me?)
****** It's not just you.

*** After TheReveal, I figured they brought the hooker flyers in, and carried the money out.
*** No, the bags on their backs are clearly empty when they're on their way in.
*** And the hooker flyers have left the casino before the "Swat team" arrives (see below).

*** And Linus never asked about the second set of gear because ...? And don't tell me he never checked the suitcase, no one would not check on the gear upon which THEIR LIVES depends on.
*** Indeed. And if your life is going to depend on the gear, better to double up on it just in case if you can fit it, right?
**** I'll grant you that, but that'd be nice if ''any of this'' had been shown on film. Admittedly the part about Danny still being in makes sense (coz he's the one that reverse pickpockets the cellphone onto Tess).
*** If any of it had been shown on film it would've given the whole sequence away.
*** Nope. Flashbacks, like they did for the swat team or Danny putting the cell on Tess. Plenty of ways to resolve this.
*** I'm not sure there's much needing to be resolved, really. The most ''important'' information (that Danny is there and the whole thing was part of the plan) is given to you by Danny's presence and when he says it was a test to Linus ("You didn't trust me?" "I do now."). Him having two sets of equipment is a fairly minor detail, and a flashback on ''that'' would've just been, "Hey, why's there two pulleys?" "Oh, one's a backup."
*** Speaking of which, the "backup Pulley excuse" makes no sense anyway. If the pulley stops working halfway down the shaft, it's not like he can pull the spare one out of his ass and use it. He's got 30 seconds and no means of climbing back up!
*** Sure it makes sense. You'd wear both at once so you have redundancy on the way down. If one screws up somehow, you've got the other one already attached.

*** Well, you gotta get a briefcase in the vault anyway, may as well get the explosives down there while at it? Yen's already in a tiny box with 6 empty duffle bags and an air bottle, guess every bit of free room he gets he will like?
*** But they ran those explosives under the possible eye of casino security. I guess they were lucky that only Benedict handled and observed the explosives, who knows what might have happened if someone more specialized took a look?
*** Look at how Benedict searches the case. He just lifts the tray holding the explosives out and puts it to the side, disregarding it entirely, because he has no reason to suspect that the "jewels" were anything besides what they looked like. You'd probably need to do a considerably more indepth study on them to figure out what they really are, and it's highly unlikely that's part of the place's standard operating procedure. \\\

*** I meant, why did the explosives have to be the jewels in the first place, not why they needed the jewels-- but I know the answer to that, because it's cool. I thought it was cool, too.
*** Not just because it's cool, but because they know the briefcase will be searched carefully and the best way to keep the explosives from being discovered is to make them look like something that's ''supposed'' to be in the briefcase. Saul tells Benedict he has something valuable he wants stored in the vault, Benedict opens the case and sees "jewels," and sets them aside to search the rest of the case for anything hidden, which he doesn't find because the only thing "hidden" in the case is the one thing he's already stopped paying attention to.

** As someone who looks a lot like Harry Potter (and that was before I got glasses), I'll say that most friends of celebrity look-alikes learn quickly [[NeverHeardTHATOneBefore not to bring it up]].

* The somewhat infamous use of Tess's resemblance of JuliaRoberts as a plot device brings up a number of questions involving the CelebrityParadox. The most obvious one is, of course, why does no body recognize Danny, Rusty, and Linus as GeorgeClooney, BradPitt, and MattDamon, not to mention the rest of the Eleven. Made worse by the film's AllStarCast, making every character played by an actor people would recognize. This brings up the additional, smaller question of what the in-universe JuliaRoberts was doing rather than filming Ocean's Eleven at the time she was (Assuming the movie doesn't exist in this universe, otherwise the Eleven would be rather creeped out about the film perfectly imitating their lives), which opens the floodgates for a whole ton of other questions involving whether or not actors and movies exist in the Ocean's Eleven universe... The only possible comprehensible explanation is that all the actors that exist in our universe exist in theirs, but JuliaRoberts is the only one that looks the same in both, though this leaves questions about the Ocean's Eleven movie's existence open, and doesn't cover the effects that the actor's different looks would have on their careers in-universe as opposed to ours... Yeah, it's a bit of a Headscratcher explosion.

** And furthermore, RealityIsUnrealistic. I work with a guy who has a strong to NoahAntwiler. That doesn't mean the guy I work with ''is'' Noah Antwiler nor would I think anything other than "Hey, that guy looks like The Spoony One." I ''do'' call him "Spoony", though.

** And furthermore, RealityIsUnrealistic. I work with a guy who has a strong to NoatAntwiler. That doesn't mean the guy I work with ''is'' Noah Antwiler nor would I think anything other than "Hey, that guy looks like The Spoony One." I ''do'' call him "Spoony", though.

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* The somewhat infamous use of Tess's resemblance of JuliaRoberts as a plot device brings up a number of questions involving the CelebrityParadox. The most obvious one is, of course, why does no body recognize Danny, Rusty, and Linus as GeorgeClooney, BradPitt, and MattDamon, not to mention the rest of the Eleven. Made worse by the film's AllStarCast, making every character played by an actor people would recognize. This brings up the additional, smaller question of what the in-universe JuliaRoberts was doing rather than filming Ocean's Eleven at the time she was (Assuming the movie doesn't exist in this universe, otherwise the Eleven would be rather creeped out about the film perfectly imitating their lives), which opens the floodgates for a whole ton of other questions involving whether or not actors and movies exist in the Ocean's Eleven universe... The only possible comprehensible explanation is that all the actors that exist in our universe exist in theirs, but JuliaRoberts is the only one that looks the same in both, though this leaves questions about the Ocean's Eleven movie's existence open, and doesn't cover the effects that the actor's different looks would have on their careers in-universe as opposed to ours...

... Yeah, it's a bit of a Headscratcher explosion.

... Yeah, it's a bit of a Headscratcher explosion.

** Danny and his crew are far to classy for that
** That and there's no challenge. What more exciting? Stealing millions on dollars in a [[ShapedLikeItself Ocean's-esque heist]] or rigging slot machines?