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** My take is that [[MoreThanMindControl it's all in their heads]]. The village ponies all ''want'' to ignore their talents, at least most of the time. Having their individuality drained does have an inherent physical sensation, but nothing more; how the ponies react to it is entirely psychological. As for Starlight and Fluttershy... maybe the former has just been doing this so long with an apparent 100% success rate that she's started to believe she can, in fact, force ponies to do things against their will.
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** RainbowRocks started with Celestia and Cadence donating books to Twilight (including the book Sunset Shimmer used to communicate with Celestia conveniently enough). She had to put them somewhere.
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** RainbowRocks ''[[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyEquestriaGirlsRainbowRocks Rainbow Rocks]]'' started with Celestia and Cadence donating books to Twilight (including the book Sunset Shimmer used to communicate with Celestia conveniently enough). She had to put them somewhere.
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** Pest control is important to any farming. Plus, it's a kid's dream. Logic isn't going to be consistent.
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* So, a profession (like pest control) that has almost nothing to do with apples can still be apple-related... so long as the cutie mark has an apple or two on it?
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* So, a profession (like pest control) that has almost nothing to do with apples can still be apple-related... so long as the cutie mark has an apple or two on it?
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*** Fair enough! Would wonder if there's many books in there yet, though.
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*** Fair enough, just watched the start of it, Twilight's new castle does indeed have a well furnished looking library.
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* Are we supposed to assume that the equal cutie marks brainwash ponies, or is it just the propaganda broadcasts that are doing it? Starlight clearly expects Fluttershy to give up the pony that showed interest in the manes, and we see the marks pulsate a few times as they drain ever more of the uniqueness out of the ponies, which suggests they have some sort of effect, yet the fact that someone had an interest at all would suggest the marks don't do it on their own (or at least they're not foolproof). Just seemed a bit hard to follow.
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*** Fair enough! Would wonder if there's many books in there yet, though.
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* What's keeping somepony like Discord from just summoning another Golden Oaks Library?
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** For what is worth, Rainbow Dash does mention the castle having a library. library.
** RainbowRocks started with Celestia and Cadence donating books to Twilight (including the book Sunset Shimmer used to communicate with Celestia conveniently enough). She had to put them somewhere.
** RainbowRocks started with Celestia and Cadence donating books to Twilight (including the book Sunset Shimmer used to communicate with Celestia conveniently enough). She had to put them somewhere.
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** For what is worth, Rainbow Dash does mention the castle having a library.
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*** Some very fundamental physical differences remained. Presumably, the mares could still bear foals. The sexes weren't completely equalized with each other, so it makes sense that the pony types likewise kept their abilities. They were ''as equal as they could be'', while still being functionally the same physical beings as they were before.
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** No library at the moment I would think. Unless there was something about Twilight moving or acquiring books that I've forgotten/missed... Could totally see Twilight having a library in the castle though, it'd be right up her street
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* So... does Ponyville officially have a new library now, or does Twilight's castle still double as the town library?
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*** But not all ponies can fly, and not all of them had overt magic.
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** Alternately Tirek did come out there and Starlight successfully hid from him and Discord. Neither have displayed omniscience or really even above average intelligence. If Tirek came to a village and the first dozen ponies he found had no magic and identical cutie marks he might put a pin it for later but it's doubtful he'd go one by one until he found the only pony there with magic. As is noted back in Twilight's Kingdom Discord wasn't being entirely forthcoming with information so even if he had noticed Starlight he very well might not have volunteered the information.
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** It might also be that Twilight simply never had any desire to TRY and learn or create this spell at all, since it's very likely most ponies would consider a spell to remove Cutie Marks to be morally wrong.
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** The most popular interpretation of the season opener is that Starlight really believed that what she was doing was a good thing. She never mentions any kind of evil plan, or that she had been lying about anything other than her own cutie mark. When she talks about the power of Twilight's cutie mark, or having a princess endorse her ideals, she doesn't seem to be lying. She might have some big plan to ''force'' everyone to accept her way, but it seemed to be all for her equality cause. She seemed to actually believe in it.
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** "It is far easier to destroy, then to create." Twilight was trying to create something out of nothing. Starlight was simply altering an already existing thing.
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** All ponies had all abilities perfectly in line with everypony else. they could all fly at the same speed, run at the same speed. All of them were as exactly equal as possible.
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* So, to what extent was magic taken from the ponies? Obviously the pegasi can still fly equalized, and Sugar Belle has been shown to use magic to levitate her notepad when taking the Mane Six's order.
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* So, to what extent was magic taken from the ponies? Obviously the pegasi can still fly equalized, and Sugar Belle has been shown to use magic to levitate her notepad when taking the Mane Six's order.order.
** Only the magic that was directly tied to their Cutie Mark. That's why Rainbow could still fly, but was very very slow.
** Only the magic that was directly tied to their Cutie Mark. That's why Rainbow could still fly, but was very very slow.
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* It's heavily implied that there was a deeper plan that Starlight had for the town ("They'll finally understand what we're trying to accomplish!"), especially given that she wanted to keep Twilight's cutie mark really close to her. It's never revealed or stated what she planned to do with the town or the Mane Six (once she converted them). Was it just wanting power over other ponies under the guise of equality? Or is it something that'll be revealed further down the season?
* So, to what extent was magic taken from the ponies? Obviously the pegasi can still fly equalized, and Sugar Belle has been shown to use magic to levitate her notepad when taking the Mane Six's order.
* So, to what extent was magic taken from the ponies? Obviously the pegasi can still fly equalized, and Sugar Belle has been shown to use magic to levitate her notepad when taking the Mane Six's order.
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** Basically, as said above, it was pretty remote. The Map showed it to be basically the middle of absolutely nowhere. It's highly unlikely Tirek or Discord found it worth it to go there.
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** The town was pretty remote, it all depends on whether Tirek could sense magic and follow the trail, or if he just went to every populated town he and Discord could find. Or maybe they ''did'' return to the ponies who owned them. And then were promptly given back to Starlight. It's not like they were taken by force, it seemed like what they were doing with the mane six, IE capturing them and forcible taking their cutie marks, was pretty unusual.
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** The town was pretty remote, it all depends on whether Tirek could sense magic and follow the trail, or if he just went to every populated town he and Discord could find. Or maybe they ''did'' return to the ponies who owned them. And then were promptly given back to Starlight. It's not like they were taken by force, it seemed like what they were doing with the mane six, IE capturing them and forcible forcibly taking their cutie marks, was pretty unusual.
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** The town was pretty remote, it all depends on whether Tirek could sense magic and follow the trail, or if he just went to every populated town he and Discord could find. Or maybe they ''did'' return to the ponies who owned them. And then promptly given back to Starlight. It's not like they were taken by force, it seemed like what they were doing with the mane six, IE capturing them and forcible taking their cutie marks, was pretty unusual.
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** The town was pretty remote, it all depends on whether Tirek could sense magic and follow the trail, or if he just went to every populated town he and Discord could find. Or maybe they ''did'' return to the ponies who owned them. And then were promptly given back to Starlight. It's not like they were taken by force, it seemed like what they were doing with the mane six, IE capturing them and forcible taking their cutie marks, was pretty unusual.
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** Whether it's her talent or not, the reason Twilight wasn't able to do it is probably because this is very different from what she tried to do to Applebloom. She was trying to '''give''' Applebloom a mark from nowhere. Starlight ''took'' marks that were already there out/off of ponies. She was removing magic that was already there, Twilight was apparently trying to create the magic out of nothing.
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** She seemed to anyway. Even after she was exposed and knew there was no going back to the way things were before, she still kept talking about how much better life would be if everyone were equal. It's likely she was able to rationalize her own hypocrisy to herself by thinking something along the lines of "I need my magic to make ponies equal."
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** The town was pretty remote, it all depends on whether Tirek could sense magic and follow the trail, or if he just went to every populated town he and Discord could find. Or maybe they ''did'' return to the ponies who owned them. And then promptly given back to Starlight. It's not like they were taken by force, it seemed like what they were doing with the mane six, IE capturing them and forcible taking their cutie marks, was pretty unusual.
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** That or the village was founded ''after'' Tirek's attack. Granted, it doesn't leave us much time, but it could have been an ghost town that Starlight appropriated for her plans.
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*Wouldn't have the cutie marks returned to the ponies after Tirek was defeated rather than going back to the cave? Or... did the cave protect/hide the contained cutie marks, or is the town so far in the boonies they escaped Tirek's notice for the time being?
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* It kind of itches my brain how Twilight, a powerful unicorn pony even before becoming an Alicorn, was unable to use her magic to give another pony their own cutie mark, but Starlight Glimmer, a talented unicorn pony in her own right, was able to put a cutie mark on another pony, but remove it as well. This coupled with her possible GreenEyedMonster motivation when Twilight blocked one of her attacks. How exactly would that be possible, unless that's her talent?
* Did Starlight truly believe in the rhetoric she preached (even after her hypocrisy was exposed)?
* Did Starlight truly believe in the rhetoric she preached (even after her hypocrisy was exposed)?
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* Can you figure out a genuinely beneficial use for removing Cutie Marks?
** In terms of a societal sense? Temporarily disabling a dangerous and powerful criminal. The Cutie Mark remains undamaged and can be returned at any time, so once rehabilitated, they can have their mark back.
** In terms of a societal sense? Temporarily disabling a dangerous and powerful criminal. The Cutie Mark remains undamaged and can be returned at any time, so once rehabilitated, they can have their mark back.
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