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***** She was frozen with shock because she honestly didn't think Ridley would come back because, even if space pirates brought him back before, Samus thought they were wiped out. "And the explosion that followed destroyed Planet Zebes, along with the remains of Mother Brain, the Space Pirates, and my long-standing nemesis, Ridley." This quote would suggest she was convinced both Ridley and the space pirates were completely exterminated and she didn't consider the Galactic Federation accidentally cloning Ridley. This fact wasn't even brought up until after the fight so, as far as she knew, Ridley appeared out of thin air.
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***** She was frozen with shock because she honestly didn't think Ridley would come back because, even if space pirates brought him back before, Samus thought they were wiped out. "And the explosion that followed destroyed Planet Zebes, along with the remains of Mother Brain, the Space Pirates, and my long-standing nemesis, Ridley." This quote would suggest she was convinced both Ridley and the space pirates were completely exterminated and she didn't consider the Galactic Federation accidentally cloning Ridley. This fact wasn't even brought up until after the fight so, as far as she knew, Ridley appeared out of thin air.
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* Is it just me, or is this ''entire game'' a near-copy of ''Fusion''? Mysterious saboteur, government clones metroids and Samus stops them, trying to flesh out Samus's past, etc.
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*** Once Samus agrees to follow his orders, then yes, he ''can'' order her around. Because '''she agreed to follow his orders'''. She agreed to be under his chain of command. Whether she's a walking WMD or can blow up planets is ''completely irrelevant'' to whether or not she should have security clearance. A freelance agent with that kind of power is, in fact, exactly the opposite of the kind of person you want to give a free pass on knowing all of your secrets.
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* Could someone with Other M please answer a question for me? Without spoiling anything, is there any instances of being inside someone/something. Like, a WombLevel, or a cutscene showing someone's innards (Like showing Samus's corruption in Prime 3.). To put it simply, does the "camera" go on a FantasticVoyage at any point in the game? I'd appreciate it if someone could answer this question for me, because I have a bit of a [[{{Squick}} thi]][[HighOctaneNightmareFuel ng]] regarding this.
** you do get to blow something up with a power bomb...
*** But do you actually see inside it? Or is it like the Stone Toads from Prime 1?
*** If the Stone toad was see-through yes (and i can't think of many things worse than a power bomb blast from the inside)
*** So then it's like seeing a partial X-Ray of whatever creature it is, then? I'm fine with that, unless innards are taking up the whole screen... Also, I can't think of much worse than an internal power bomb explosion, either.
*** You see nothing. You vaporize the target and leave nothing but green stuff. (Blood, acid? I'm not sure.)
*** Already finished it. It's not the blood spray or flesh itself that bothers me. It's the feeling of being eaten. I was a little uncomfortable going down its throat, but once I got into its transparent belly and the camera backed away to show outside of it, I felt a lot more at ease (And had a lot of fun setting off a Power Bomb.).
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* Who ordered Adam's team to the station? If they were the GF higher ups, and they had time to insert the traitor, why not just manufacture some pretext for them to not be there? They probably couldn't stop Samus, but if they have enough clout to make an entire secret space station, ''they can stop one squad from investigating''.

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* Who ordered Adam's team to the station? If they were some of the GF higher ups, and they had time to insert the traitor, why not just manufacture some pretext for them to not ''not be there? there''? They probably couldn't stop Samus, but if they have enough clout to make an entire secret space station, ''they can stop one squad from investigating''.investigating''. Adam even explicitly explains that They used the report he wrote explaining why the project was a bad idea, which means that they ''know'' he is opposed to it. The story can't even decide if he stumbled upon the joint after hearing the distress signal, or was sent there.
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* Who ordered Adam's team to the station? If they were the GF higher ups, and they had time to insert the traitor, why not just manufacture some pretext for them to not be there? They probably couldn't stop Samus, but if they have enough clout to make an entire secret space station, ''they can stop one squad from investigating''.

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**** Then Adam can order her off the station, or arrest her. He can't order her around. He says he needs to ''ask'' her to work with them and follow his orders. The Marines work with Samus just fine in Prime 3. The woman is a walking WMD. She has destroyed ''planets''. She should already have one of the highest security clearances available.

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**** Then Adam can order her off the station, or arrest her. He can't order her around. He says he needs to ''ask'' her to work with them and follow his orders. The Marines work with Samus just fine in Prime 3. The woman is a walking WMD. She has destroyed ''planets''. She should already have one of the highest security clearances available. And how does Adam know what her clearance is? How does he want her to work with them without telling her what's going on?

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**** Then Adam can order her off the station, or arrest her. He can't order her around. He says he needs to ''ask'' her to work with them and follow his orders.

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**** Then Adam can order her off the station, or arrest her. He can't order her around. He says he needs to ''ask'' her to work with them and follow his orders. The Marines work with Samus just fine in Prime 3. The woman is a walking WMD. She has destroyed ''planets''. She should already have one of the highest security clearances available.


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* Is there any particular reason Samus, with her high-tech unparalleled super suit was just another soldier in a GF Police unit, albeit one reporting directly to a general? That would imply that they're some sort of special forces, but Samus isn't given ''any'' special responsibilities different from the other grunts, from what we see. And if they're special forces, why is Samus childish and immature? Adam is her first and only commander, but her ''first'' posting is in [=SpecFor=] even though she's obviously psychologically unsuited for it?
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**** Then Adam can order her off the station, or arrest her. He can't order her around. He says he needs to ''ask'' her to work with them and follow his orders.
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** I really don't know how you got that impression. We see the scene where the baby metroid is killed by Mother Brain. That happened in Super Metroid. We had Adam saying "Any objections, lady?" so it was set before Fusion. I figured that would mean it was connecting Super Metroid to Fusion in some way. Which it did.
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** I feel that people are playing up the linearity of the game way too much. I didn't find the game too linear. Sure, you wouldn't get as lost as you would in, say, Prime, but that's relative. I didn't like running around not knowing where to go. There were still hidden goodies to find, so you could still explore. The story just kinda keeps you on a path until the end.

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* If Samus suit is made out of HardLight that goes away when she's not thinking of it, then why did they have to remove it in Fusion, which takes place after Other M?

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* If Samus Samus' suit is made out of HardLight that goes away when she's not thinking of it, then why did they have to remove it in Fusion, which takes place after Other M?


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** The bit where the suit goes away when not thinking about it put Samus at risk at least twice during this mission. It's possible that after the events of ''Other M'' Samus realised what a bizarrely terrible idea it is to have armour that disappears when you get distracted and had it changed to require a conscious decision to remove the suit.
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** Plus, you know, the whole 'Samus= Metroid KILLSTICK' thing.

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** *** Plus, you know, the whole 'Samus= Metroid KILLSTICK' ''killstick'' ' thing.
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** Plus, you know, the whole 'Samus= Metroid KILLSTICK' thing.

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*** Brawl did, in Zero Mission there wasn't any feat of agility she couldn't pull off with the suit outside of pure jumping height, she jumps higher when the suit doesn't have any of its mobility upgrades. She had the space jump so that point is mute. She runs faster in the suit and can barrel through wall in it so speed isn't an issue. The cannon can open up like a pseudo claw, which is Prime 3 is ignored then maybe she would still need both hands but from the arguments on this page it apparently wasn't so it wasn't to free hands...



** Armor or not, Zero mission shows the height difference isn't too great. He'd probably be between 7'1-7'4.

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** Armor or not, Zero mission shows the height difference isn't too great.great, their shouldn't but much of one at all now that her "zero" suit has heels. He'd probably be between 7'1-7'4.
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*** Team Ninja would likely be the culprit. They're known for forcing sex-appeal and the like even when it doesn't make any sense.
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*** Adam is able to freeze a Metroid, however, with the justification that "It's in its larval form," and the Metroid larval form is the floating jellyfish thing. I guess Fusion already made Other M's mistake (The Omega Metroid at the end is only vulnerable to the ice beam), but it still irks me.
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** Like you said, the ''higher'' Metroid forms were--and they need specific environments to evolve into those forms, and those other forms have other weaknesses--they gain an immunity to cold, but become vulnerable to other attacks. I had presumed that Adam was talking about regular floating Metroids which had somehow retained their normal resilience in addition to losing the vulnerability to cold.
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*** Actually she is. She can jump higher than the standard Power Suit in ''Zero Mission'' and at the same height as the High Jump upgrade gives while you're in the suit. Smash Bros. Brawl also makes her more agile while she's in her Zero Suit, so that likely influenced Other M's depiction.
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*** "Hello, Samus, this is the senator for your quadrant. We'll see about getting your security clearance at our next meeting, taking place in two weeks, after which we'll have to form a committee to study the feasibility of giving an independent bounty hunter authority over our duly promoted and designated officers. We'll get back to you as soon as we can." Seriously, people, '''''bureaucracy'''''. Even if Samus had that kind of pull, it takes '''forever''' to get that sort of thing done even if you're not talking about a secret project like breeding Metroids.
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** Super Metroid had inconsistencies with Metroid 2 despite being a direct sequel. The hand waves for that wren't until ''Prime 3''(written by a different team). Other M isn't even consistent with Prime 3 despite coming right after it. This director is pretty creative in level design but isn't known for consistent narratives.

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*** "Hello? Senate? This is Samus Aran, Galactic Hero calling. Yeah, I need a security clearance."

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*** "Hello? Senate? This is Samus Aran, Galactic Hero calling. Yeah, I need a security clearance. No, an even higher one."
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*** "Hello? Senate? This is Samus Aran, Galactic Hero calling. Yeah, I need a security clearance."
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* Again, seriously: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqM_8_3jZLg Killing Metroids without freezing them is nothing new.]] In Metroid 2, the higher Metroid forms were killed with missiles only. Did the writer just assume nobody has played Metroid 2?

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* Again, seriously: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqM_8_3jZLg com/watch?v=PD9PA1m1FD4 Killing Metroids without freezing them is nothing new.]] In Metroid 2, the higher Metroid forms were killed with missiles only. Did the writer just assume nobody has played Metroid 2?
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* Again, seriously: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqM_8_3jZLg Unfreezable Metroids are not new. They were in Metroid 2, THE SECOND GAME OF THE FRANCHISE.]] Did the writer just assume nobody has played Metroid 2?

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* Again, seriously: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqM_8_3jZLg Unfreezable Killing Metroids are not new. They were in without freezing them is nothing new.]] In Metroid 2, THE SECOND GAME OF THE FRANCHISE.]] the higher Metroid forms were killed with missiles only. Did the writer just assume nobody has played Metroid 2?
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* Again, seriously: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqM_8_3jZLg Unfreezable Metroids are not new. They were in Metroid 2, THE SECOND GAME OF THE FRANCHISE.]] Did the writer just assume nobody has played Metroid 2?

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***** ''SuperSmashBros Brawl'' also shows her to be far more athletic and faster than in her Power Suit. Samus was also trying to get out of the Bottle Ship as fast as possible with a lot of debris and enemies in the way, better to run and jump and flip past them than stand around shooting at them.



*** I think that "ignored" is a bit strong, and even in Echoes it's been demonstrated they use bullets as Haley's scan mentioned running out of ammo (I actually think that federation regular weapons use solid rounds in a sort of energy sheath because theres no way regular bullets glow like they do in the ending.)

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*** I think that "ignored" is a bit strong, and even in Echoes it's been demonstrated they use bullets as Haley's scan mentioned running out of ammo (I actually think that federation regular weapons use solid rounds in a sort of energy sheath because theres there's no way regular bullets glow like they do in the ending.)



** The real question, for those who played Metroid 2, is why were you using ice to kill an Omega Metroid. Let's just says this director has made good games but is not the best story teller, especially when it comes to consistency.



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** Armor or not, Zero mission shows the height difference isn't too great. He'd probably be between 7'1-7'4.



** I'm pretty sure we talked about this just here on the top page.
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*** ... Someone hasn't been looking hard enough.

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** I'm pretty sure we talked about this just here on Because the top page.
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*** ... Someone hasn't been looking
director wanted to reference all his other titles, presumably a prequel that early would have a hard enough.time referencing Super Metroid and Fusion without feeling too weird.



** Ignoring cutscenes, this troper wouldn't call the gameplay "superb" either. The movement feels clunky due to no control stick, the first-person missile mode is annoying, "search mode" is a PixelHunt joke, upgrades are just handed to you instead of giving you the satisfaction of finding them, many enemies feels tiresome to fight due to a comeplete over-reliance on the Sense Move and its peculiarities (such as making Samus roll where you might not want to go) and he auto-aim on enemies... it all adds up to a mediocre game experience, even before mentioning the plot.

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** Ignoring cutscenes, this troper wouldn't call the gameplay "superb" either. The movement feels clunky due to no control stick, the first-person missile mode is annoying, "search mode" is a PixelHunt joke, upgrades are just handed to you instead of giving you the satisfaction of finding them, many enemies feels tiresome to fight due to a comeplete complete over-reliance on the Sense Move and its peculiarities (such as making Samus roll where you might not want to go) and he auto-aim on enemies... it all adds up to a mediocre game experience, even before mentioning the plot.plot.
** Attention is put toward play in reviews, even many cutscene complaints are really about the concentration mechanic. The story gets so much focus because there are adamant defenders of the Post Traumatic Stress Disorder case [[SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped pushing for awareness]], arguments over whether or not it was a [[ThemeParkVersion realistic depiction]] and whether or not a game where you fight space dragons should [[{{Escapism}} feel obligated to tackle such issues.]] Some were fine with what they knew of Samus and wanted more open progression, thus they were going to bash the cutscenes and plot regardless, Prime 3 got the same before it proved to be not as cinematic and linear as feared.
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*** No. He said that the Prime series is a different part of the story. He never said he doesn't consider it to be canon.
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**** Samus showed signs of PTSD in the manga prequel to the original Metroid, which is canon. That makes the statement that "Samus [hadn't] shown signs of PTSD before this." incorrect. Granted, most people can't be expected to have read the manga, but it's still canon. [[WordOfGod Yoshio Sakamoto]] said he considers the Metroid Prime series to not be canon, and how they portray Samus in that series is not in line with how he views her.

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