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** Also, it's mentioned in the fourth or fifth or maybe the sixth book that the "persona" of Tip isn't talked about because Ozma specifically doesn't like to be reminded of the time she spent as a boy. And that's hardly unrealistic -- there was a real-life case where two parents had their infant son undergo a surgical sex change and raised him as a girl. When he found out when be was older, he readily underwent the procedure to have it all undone, and supposedly even made a statement that he'd never actually "felt" like a girl growing up. That's not too far off from Ozma's situation, so it's certainly conceivable that she feel that way.
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* Why does Ozma keep the Sawhorse at her palace in the Emerald City, but Jack Pumpkinhead has to stay outside the walls on his own? Isn't he supposed to be like her son, in a certain sense?

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* Why does Ozma keep the Sawhorse at her palace in the Emerald City, but Jack Pumpkinhead has to stay outside the walls on his own? Isn't he supposed to be like her son, in a certain sense?sense?
** In ''Literature/TheRoadToOz'', where we first see Jack Pumpkinhead's home along with his pumpkin graveyard, he explains that he lived with Ozma until at one time they had a difficult time finding a replacement head for him, causing him to have to wear a rotten pumpkin for longer than usual. So he moved to a pumpkin garden to be closer to the pumpkins.
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* In the first book, it's mentioned that only things like houses and clothes bear the primary color of each country. In the second, Tip tells Jack Pumpkinhead that ''everything'' in the Land of the Gillikins is purple - houses, clothes, fences, grass, even the dirt in the road. Is the North Country just different from the others in this regard, or was it supposed to be a retcon?

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* In the first book, it's mentioned that only things like houses and clothes bear the primary color of each country. In the second, Tip tells Jack Pumpkinhead that ''everything'' in the Land of the Gillikins is purple - houses, clothes, fences, grass, even the dirt in the road. Is the North Country just different from the others in this regard, or was it supposed to be a retcon?retcon?
* Why does Ozma keep the Sawhorse at her palace in the Emerald City, but Jack Pumpkinhead has to stay outside the walls on his own? Isn't he supposed to be like her son, in a certain sense?
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** You also have to remember that Baum did not entirely want to keep writing books about Oz as the years went on -- there were at least one or two points in the series where he intended to finish it off, but financial troubles forced him back into it when his other expenditures fell through. And one of these points was at the end of ''The Marvelous Land of Oz'', which is why the later books quickly became a lot more random and nonsensical than the first two were, because they were meant to please all the little kids who had wanted more of them, not because they were anything Baum particularly wanted to write about. That's why Ozma becomes such a non-character in later books, and why things like her friendship with Dorothy and her youth spent as a boy aren't fleshed out or explored in further detail.
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** It's explained in the fourth book, ''Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz'', that the Wizard didn't have anything to do with Ozma's kidnapping, and that the overthrow of the royal family of Oz happened long before he arrived. It was apparently led by the original Wicked Witches of the North, South, East, and West, and they were the ones who left the deposed ruler (Ozma's ancestor) in the care of Mombi, explaining how Tip ended up with her. The Wizard ended up on the throne because the king of the land had always carried the name "Oz", leading the people to believe that he was their destined ruler when he arrived.




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** Glinda was just stating her own opinion with that sentence. The fact that someone does things she might disagree with doesn't automatically make them a bad or unscrupulous person on its own.
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** In the first book, it's mentioned that only things like houses and clothes bear the primary color of each country. In the second, Tip tells Jack Pumpkinhead that ''everything'' in the Land of the Gillikins is purple - houses, clothes, fences, grass, even the dirt in the road. Is the North Country just different from the others in this regard, or was it supposed to be a retcon?

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** * In the first book, it's mentioned that only things like houses and clothes bear the primary color of each country. In the second, Tip tells Jack Pumpkinhead that ''everything'' in the Land of the Gillikins is purple - houses, clothes, fences, grass, even the dirt in the road. Is the North Country just different from the others in this regard, or was it supposed to be a retcon?
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** She appears in two non-canonical Oz books; ''The Wicked Witch of Oz'' by Rachel Cosgrove Payes, and the comic ''The Enchanted Apples of Oz'' by Eric Shanower. Both these books depict her a having been put into an enchanted sleep after her defeat.

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** She appears in two non-canonical Oz books; ''The Wicked Witch of Oz'' by Rachel Cosgrove Payes, and the comic ''The Enchanted Apples of Oz'' by Eric Shanower. Both these books depict her a having been put into an enchanted sleep after her defeat.defeat.

** In the first book, it's mentioned that only things like houses and clothes bear the primary color of each country. In the second, Tip tells Jack Pumpkinhead that ''everything'' in the Land of the Gillikins is purple - houses, clothes, fences, grass, even the dirt in the road. Is the North Country just different from the others in this regard, or was it supposed to be a retcon?
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** Also, Glinda only sought Ozma out after the Scarecrow came to her complaining about Jinjur. She doesn't really seem to care who's on the throne, as long as there's someone, but since the Scarecrow was willing to return the crown to Ozma if Glinda got rid of Jinjur, she went along with it.
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*** I think it's possible there isn't a gap between the two personas; Ozma was simply trained to act less like a rambunctious farmhand and more like a proper princess, but the same Tip is still there inside. We only see her very briefly at the end of ''The Marvelous Land of Oz'', and the next time she appears is when Dorothy meets her in ''Ozma of Oz'', which is set some time later. Plenty of time for Ozma to have learned to behave differently than she used to.
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** Another possible explanation, if one is willing to apply the LiteraryAgentHypothesis, is that Tip wasn't actually as happy as Baum suggested -- she was essentially living as a pre-op {{transsexual}} the entire length of her boyhood. Certainly, beyond her initial objections about "not wanting to be a girl", she seems perfectly content as Ozma. ... Of course, now I'm half-expecting someone to write a {{Fanfic}} exploring this, since I put it out there.

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** Another possible explanation, if one is willing to apply the LiteraryAgentHypothesis, is that Tip wasn't actually as happy as Baum suggested -- she was essentially living as a pre-op {{transsexual}} {{transgender}} person the entire length of her boyhood. Certainly, beyond her initial objections about "not wanting to be a girl", she seems perfectly content as Ozma. ... Of course, now I'm half-expecting someone to write a {{Fanfic}} exploring this, since I put it out there.
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*** Tip can be considered the ''animus'' to Ozma, what the young ruler would have become had fate decried Pastoria's child to be a boy.

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*** Tip can be considered the ''animus'' to Ozma, what the young ruler would have become had fate decried decreed Pastoria's child to be a boy.



* Why did Ozma go to all that trouble to rescue the royal family of Ev. And wasn't Oz supposed to be isolated.

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* Why did Ozma go to all that trouble to rescue the royal family of Ev. And wasn't Oz supposed to be isolated. isolated?
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*** Jack Snow (author of two canonical Oz books) wrote a short story called "A Murder in Oz." Ozma is found dead, [[spoiler:turns out Tip did it. It ends with both Tip and Ozma alive]].

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*** That can't really be it, since he quite often has himself re-stuffed with fresh straw whenever he wants to look more presentable or just wants to feel fresher. In the first book alone, he's re-stuffed with fresh straw twice -- the first time because he wants to look presentable for his fist meeting with the Wizard, the second time when he's restored after being torn apart by the Winged Monkeys. In the second book, there's a scene where all his straw is stolen by jackdaws, and no more straw is available, so his friends re-stuff him with paper money instead. This doesn't change his character any, and the only difference is that the others will occasionally comment on how rich he is. Though Baum later regretted this particular plot point, called it "a bad mistake" and quietly RetConned it away so that in all further books the Scarecrow is back to being stuffed with straw, it all very clearly confirms that it's not the ''straw'' that's alive.
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*** In OneOverZero strip 660 ([[http://www.undefined.net/1/0/?strip=660]]) they decide that Zadok's personality isn't chained to any particular body part, it remains there if at least half of his body is intact. This makes a lots of sense if you think how in the real world a human can keep his personality even if many cells of his brain die every day.

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*** In OneOverZero Webcomic/OneOverZero strip 660 ([[http://www.undefined.net/1/0/?strip=660]]) they decide that Zadok's personality isn't chained to any particular body part, it remains there if at least half of his body is intact. This makes a lots of sense if you think how in the real world a human can keep his personality even if many cells of his brain die every day.
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* Has anyone seen or heard from the Wicked Witch of the South since Glinda got done with her?

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* Has anyone seen or heard from the Wicked Witch of the South since Glinda got done with her?her?
** She appears in two non-canonical Oz books; ''The Wicked Witch of Oz'' by Rachel Cosgrove Payes, and the comic ''The Enchanted Apples of Oz'' by Eric Shanower. Both these books depict her a having been put into an enchanted sleep after her defeat.
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** That's the later books. Glinda may not have been as powerful back in the first book; she could have learned more and gained more magic later on. Granted, even in the first book she is named as the most powerful Witch in Oz, but it's not said ''how'' much more powerful she is than the other three. The two Wicked Witches together might have been too much for her, so she may have simply focused on keeping her domain in the South safe rather than risking a confrontation with an uncertain outcome.

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** That's the later books. Glinda may not have been as powerful back in the first book; she could have learned more and gained more magic later on. Granted, even in the first book she is named as the most powerful Witch in Oz, but it's not said ''how'' much more powerful she is than the other three. The two Wicked Witches together might have been too much for her, so she may have simply focused on keeping her domain in the South safe rather than risking a confrontation with an uncertain outcome.outcome.

* Has anyone seen or heard from the Wicked Witch of the South since Glinda got done with her?
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** It's actually stated she doesn't quite stay the same person - her meeting with Dorothy went badly partly because she chose a pretty, but badly tempered head to wear.
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** It makes more sense if you think of both the Wizard ''and'' the Scarecrow as Regents, not kings. They only held the throne until the legitimate heir was available.
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* Why didn't Glinda overthrow the Wicked Witches all by herself, even before Dorothy arrived? Judging by the stuff she pulls off in the later books, she's more powerful than both of them combined.

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* Why didn't Glinda overthrow the Wicked Witches all by herself, even before Dorothy arrived? Judging by the stuff she pulls off in the later books, she's more powerful than both of them combined.combined.
** That's the later books. Glinda may not have been as powerful back in the first book; she could have learned more and gained more magic later on. Granted, even in the first book she is named as the most powerful Witch in Oz, but it's not said ''how'' much more powerful she is than the other three. The two Wicked Witches together might have been too much for her, so she may have simply focused on keeping her domain in the South safe rather than risking a confrontation with an uncertain outcome.

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** I think one of the Oz book after Baum's death explained that the Scarecrow's soul came from a monarch from another kingdom. Still, this being Oz, "AWizardDidIt" is the perhaps the best explanation.
*** If you check his origin story, he came "alive" just as they were painting his face. I suppose the farmers unwittingly used magic paint.

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** I think one of the Oz book books after Baum's death explained that the Scarecrow's soul came from a monarch from another kingdom. Still, this being Oz, "AWizardDidIt" is the perhaps the best explanation.
*** The book is ''The Royal Book of Oz'', the first by Ruth Plumly Thompson. The monarch was Emperor Chang Wang Woe of the Silver Islands, an underground Oz kingdom similar to medieval China. Chang's soul rose "skyward" from directly under Munchkinland and inhabited the Scarecrow, though he had/has no memory of his previous life—and no interest in returning to it.
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If you check his origin story, he came "alive" just as they were painting his face. I suppose the farmers unwittingly used magic paint.paint.
*** See ''The Royal Book of Oz'' data above.
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*** And Baum's aren't? You've just described ''Dorothy and the Wizard in Oz'', ''The Emerald City of Oz'', ''The Tin Woodman of Oz'' and who knows what else.
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** The out-of-universe answer is that Baum gave the Wizard some KickTheDog moments in the backstory presented in ''Marvelous Land'' to better fit with the musical, in which the Wicked Witch of the West was left out and the Wizard was the villain of the story. It didn't stick, and by ''Dorothy and the Wizard in Oz'' he revised the Wizard into a more sympathetic figure, quietly retconning the backstory. Ozma tells him a part of the revised backstory, though she never mentions how, in the new version, she was kidnapped by Mombi to be disguised as a boy. I think if Baum ever got to writing ''that'', he would, in his usual fashion, quietly forget about the Wizard willingly giving Ozma away and write something different.
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* Why didn't Glinda overthrow the Wicked Witches all by herself, even before Dorothy arrived? Judging by the stuff she pulls off in the latter books, she's more powerful than both of them combined.

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** Let's see now. After the Wizard had left, there was something of a power vacuum. At the time, Glinda did not have know the whereabouts of young Ozma or whether she was even alive, but she would have recognized the importance of giving the Ozites a leader they could trust. The Scarecrow had proven himself useful, and wise enough to run things for the time being, so it would make sense for him to be in charge, at least temporarily. No doubt she would have explained it to the Scarecrow later on; Jinjur's invasion simply sped things up.

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** Let's see now. After the Wizard had left, there was something of a power vacuum. At the time, Glinda did not have know the whereabouts of what happened to young Ozma or whether she was even alive, Ozma, but she would have recognized the importance of giving the Ozites a leader they could trust. The Scarecrow had proven himself useful, and wise enough to run things for the time being, so it would make sense for him to be in charge, at least temporarily. No doubt she Glinda would have explained it to the Scarecrow later on; Jinjur's invasion simply sped things up.up.
*** As much of Oz had been under the oppression of the Witches, any search for the lost princess must have been difficult at best, even for Glinda.
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** Let's see now. After the Wizard had left, there was something of a power vacuum. At the time, Glinda did not have know the whereabouts of young Ozma or whether she was even alive, but she would have recognized the importance of giving the Ozites a leader they could trust. The Scarecrow had proven himself useful, and wise enough to run things for the time being, so it would make sense for him to be in charge, at least temporarily. No doubt she would have explained it to the Scarecrow later on; Jinjur's invasion simply sped things up.
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* Glinda's attitude towards the Scarecrow changes without explanation between the first two books. In the first, she summons the Winged Monkeys to carry him to the throne the Wizard passed to him. But in the second, after Jinjur overthrows the Scarecrow, Glinda refuses to reinstate him because the throne isn't rightfully his, but Ozma's. You know, that would be helpful to know earlier. Logic much?

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** Baum and his fellow Royal Historians of Oz were not, as the above Troper remarked, known for their strong dedication to consistency and continuity, but the general gist of the story, as patched together from several books, seems to be as follows: Around the time the Wizard arrived in Oz and took power, Mombi used her magic to dispose of King Pastoria, but for some reason did not get Princess Ozma. The Wizard, coming to a country without a king, and mistaken for a great wizard by the Ozzians since he arrived in a balloon, had little problem taking over. However, he was afraid that the Princess would grow up and take his throne from him, or possibly expose him as a fraud, and so he delivered her to Mombi (whether he knew Mombi's role in the King's disappearance is never stated). So the Wizard was guilty of fraud and probably kidnap, but not of murder. (And, as it turns out, Mombi did not kill the king either; she transformed him into a tailor and made him forget he had ever been king.) And Ozzians are all about forgiveness and reformation; they don't punish unless they have to, they don't seek revenge and they don't, in general, hold grudges for very long. Since the Wizard was a reformed character -- and during his rule ''had'' done a lot of good things for the country as well -- he was welcomed back to the Emerald City.

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** Baum and his fellow Royal Historians of Oz were not, as the above Troper remarked, known for their strong dedication to consistency and continuity, but the general gist of the story, as patched together from several books, seems to be as follows: follows: Around the time the Wizard arrived in Oz and took power, Mombi used her magic The four Wicked Witches banded together to dispose of King Pastoria, but for some reason Pastoria -- and the final "blow" was delivered by Mombi, who did not get Princess Ozma.kill the king but transformed him into a tailor with no memory that he had been a king in the first place. The Wizard, coming to a country without a king, and mistaken for a great wizard by the Ozzians since he arrived in a balloon, had little problem taking over. However, he for some reason the witches had not managed to dispose of little Ozma (who was just a baby at the time), and the Wizard was afraid that the Princess would grow up and take his throne from him, or possibly expose him as a fraud, and so he delivered her to Mombi (whether he knew Mombi's role in the King's disappearance is never stated). So the Wizard was guilty of fraud and probably kidnap, as well as indirectly responsible for Ozma's miserable childhood as Tip, but not of murder. (And, as it turns out, Mombi did not kill the king either; she transformed him into a tailor and made him forget he had ever been king.) And Ozzians are all about forgiveness and reformation; they don't punish unless they have to, they don't seek revenge and they don't, in general, hold grudges for very long. Since the Wizard was a reformed character -- and during his rule ''had'' done a lot of good things for the country as well -- he was welcomed back to the Emerald City.

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** Baum and his fellow Royal Historians of Oz were not, as the above Troper remarked, known for their strong dedication to consistency and continuity, but the general gist of the story, as patched together from several books, seems to be as follows: Around the time the Wizard arrived in Oz and took power, Mombi used her magic to dispose of King Pastoria, but for some reason did not get Princess Ozma. The Wizard, coming to a country without a king, and mistaken for a great wizard by the Ozzians since he arrived in a balloon, had little problem taking over. However, he was afraid that the Princess would grow up and take his throne from him, or possibly expose him as a fraud, and so he delivered her to Mombi (whether he knew Mombi's role in the King's disappearance is never stated). So the Wizard was guilty of fraud and probably kidnap, but not of murder. (And, as it turns out, Mombi did not kill the king either; she transformed him into a tailor and made him forget he had ever been king.) And Ozzians are all about forgiveness and reformation; they don't punish, they don't seek revenge and they don't, in general, hold grudges for very long. Since the Wizard was a reformed character -- and during his rule ''had'' done a lot of good things for the country as well -- he was welcomed back to the Emerald City.

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** Baum and his fellow Royal Historians of Oz were not, as the above Troper remarked, known for their strong dedication to consistency and continuity, but the general gist of the story, as patched together from several books, seems to be as follows: follows: Around the time the Wizard arrived in Oz and took power, Mombi used her magic to dispose of King Pastoria, but for some reason did not get Princess Ozma. The Wizard, coming to a country without a king, and mistaken for a great wizard by the Ozzians since he arrived in a balloon, had little problem taking over. However, he was afraid that the Princess would grow up and take his throne from him, or possibly expose him as a fraud, and so he delivered her to Mombi (whether he knew Mombi's role in the King's disappearance is never stated). So the Wizard was guilty of fraud and probably kidnap, but not of murder. (And, as it turns out, Mombi did not kill the king either; she transformed him into a tailor and made him forget he had ever been king.) And Ozzians are all about forgiveness and reformation; they don't punish, punish unless they have to, they don't seek revenge and they don't, in general, hold grudges for very long. Since the Wizard was a reformed character -- and during his rule ''had'' done a lot of good things for the country as well -- he was welcomed back to the Emerald City.

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** Baum and his fellow Royal Historians of Oz were not, as the above Troper remarked, known for their strong dedication to consistency and continuity, but the general gist of the story, as patched together from several books, seems to be as follows: Around the time the Wizard arrived in Oz and took power, Mombi used her magic to dispose of King Pastoria, but for some reason did not get Princess Ozma. The Wizard, coming to a country without a king, and mistaken for a great wizard by the Ozzians since he arrived in a balloon, had little problem taking over. However, he was afraid that the Princess would grow up and take his throne from him, or possibly expose him as a fraud, and so he delivered her to Mombi (whether he knew Mombi's role in the King's disappearance is never stated). So the Wizard was guilty of fraud and probably kidnap, but not of murder. (And, as it turns out, Mombi did not kill the king either; she transformed him into a tailor and made him forget he had ever been king.) And Ozzians are all about forgiveness and reformation; they don't punish, they don't seek revenge and they don't, in general, hold grudges for very long. Since the Wizard was a reformed character -- and during his rule ''had'' done a lot of good things for the country as well -- he was welcomed back to the Emerald City.

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