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*** As someone (not the original poster) who ''likes'' the gameplay style the other games use, I maintain they're not tedious at all. Kingdom Hearts did just fine using (mostly) the same system in all its other games, I see no reason to bog it down with a bunch of meaningless shooting and side-scrolling (and turn-based RPGs in Olympus Coliseum, which was by far the ''worst'' of the lot). I for one think it's these ''new'' gameplay styles, along with the Debug Sectors, that made this game tedious, as every time I went through the Keyhole and had to do them all I could think was "Hurry up, I want to get back to beating up monsters. The shooting was probably the most tolerable, but even it was pretty boring and just served to pad out the fights it was used for.
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** Weirdly enough, it's [[spoiler:Sora's Heartless]] who has the move from II. I assume you're talking about his rain of keyblades attack (the one which, in II, caused the background to transform into a sunset).
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** Sora needed emotional preparation to unlock the memories of those people. Considering how hurtful some of those peoples' memories are, there would likely be quite a bit of trauma there. [[spoiler: Namine]] probably didn't want to put the real Sora through all that, and so set all of this up so that Data-Sora could act as a proxy. This allows Sora and the others to access the needed info without potentially breaking his heart. Whether or not Sora will still need to understand such pain in order to bring these guys back has yet to be seen, but the pain was only explicetly stated to be needed to unlock the memories.
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* Pretty much. Any game that isn't 3 gets backlash simply for not being 3, [[FanDumb regardless of how good the game actually is]]
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* Okay, so the point of the story, particularly the events in [[spoiler: Castle Oblivion]], was so Sora would be emotionally prepared to [[spoiler: rescue Roxas, Xion, Axel, Namine, Terra, Aqua, and Ven from their suffering]], right? But since Data-Sora's the one who actually experienced all that necessary sadness and loss, isn't the real Sora unprepared in that regard? King Mickey's letter could explain what needs to be done, but Sora's still lacking that critical firsthand experience. Or am I missing something?
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** And besides, this time it'll be the whole, the ''complete'' Xehanort; to get rid of him, Sora and co. are going to have to kill him. Not destroy his darkness manifested or his empty shell; they have to ''kill'' a human being. Imagine the implications. If this is indeed how it is to play out, it is ''sure'' to become a huge plot point, in the vain of "Can you really do it?" or "Kill me and you'll become just like me" villainous mind screws.
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** And besides, this time it'll be the whole, the ''complete'' Xehanort; to get rid of him, Sora and co. are going to have to kill him. Not destroy his darkness manifested or his empty shell; they have to ''kill'' a human being. Imagine the implications. If this is indeed how it is to play out, it is ''sure'' to become a huge plot point, in the vain vein of "Can you really do it?" or "Kill me and you'll become just like me" villainous mind screws.
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** And besides, this time it'll be the whole, the ''complete'' Xehanort; to get rid of him, Sora and co. are going to have to kill him. Not destroy his darkness manifested or his empty shell; they have to ''kill'' a human being. Imagine the implications. If this is indeed how it is to play out, it is ''sure'' to become a huge plot point, in the vain of "Can you really do it?" or "Kill me and you'll become just like me" villainous mind screws.
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** Xehanort was piggybacking off of [[spoiler: Terra]]. Presumably the spoilered person is also coming back, but needs rescuing and isn't as urgent and/or immediately obvious of an issue as the Big Bad.
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* Does it bug anyone else that Xehanort is coming back when you killed [[spoiler:Terras' nobody and heartless not Xehanorts.]]
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** Well heart's apparently can't be destroyed. When the dark shell is destroyed they just go to limbo or something. When the body is killed and a heart is waiting for it they merge together to remake a person. If there is no heart the body just vanishes. It's more like his two halves being freed and now they can merge together again. As for the defeats think of it this way. It's not, "Come on, this guy's a wuss, we beat him so many times." It's more like, "Damn, we beat him up good four times and he still won't die!!"
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* Is this just me, or do is the Xehanort twist at the end of this game incredibly stupid? Sora killed the Heartless, he killed the Nobody. Now how the Hell does the original person come back? Subtract two halves and you get nothing, not one. Also, how can Xehanort even be a credible villain anymore considering that we've defeated him like four times already now? If Aqua could kick his ass, why should Sora have any problems these days?
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* Pretty much. Any game that isn't 3 gets backlash simply for not being 3, [[FanDumb regardless of how good the game actually is]]
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** I agree with the above troper. I don't understand why you would dislike the alternate play styles as they're some of my favorite parts of this game. As for what we want, speak for yourself. The same thing over and over gets boring, this brings in a nice breath of air and reduces some of the tediousness of the game.
* Going slightly meta here. Why do people complain about how this game is crap compared to BBS and Square should have learned their lesson and made a better game?(not exact words but variations crop up often). This game was made before BBS and possibly even Days so given the time it was released I think they actually did a fantastic job. Is it just redirected frustration from 3's long development time?
* Going slightly meta here. Why do people complain about how this game is crap compared to BBS and Square should have learned their lesson and made a better game?(not exact words but variations crop up often). This game was made before BBS and possibly even Days so given the time it was released I think they actually did a fantastic job. Is it just redirected frustration from 3's long development time?
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* Let me sum it up for you: Jiminy's journal is glitched, therefore things would be [[CaptainObvious kinda wonky, right?]] Besides, the different gameplay styles weren't ''all'' bad.
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* Let me sum it up for you: Jiminy's journal is glitched, therefore things would be [[CaptainObvious kinda wonky, right?]] Besides, the different gameplay styles weren't ''all'' bad.
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* Let me sum it up for you: Jiminy's journal is glitched, therefore things would be [[CaptainObvious kinda wonky, right?]]
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* Why are the changing gameplay styles even in the game? Shouldn't Square have remember what happed with the [[ScrappyMechanic Gummi Ship]] in the first game? We have a 2-d scrolling platformer which was only scrolling to add FakeDifficulty it seems, a bland shooter with crappy controls, and tedious RPG which makes battles take ages even when you're overleveled and are coming back for a trophy! Square, why do you keep up wiith these crappy gameplay shifts? Don't you realize that the gameplay people want is the action RPG?
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*** Does this mean a lot of random people will be coming back after Sora offed their corresponding Heartless and Nobodies? Where do they come back? Will they remember their past? I mean, that would be a nice twist. [[spoiler:Axel]] coming back with a memory wipe. But I would think that [[spoiler:Axel's heartless]] is more likely to be a nice boss in the next game, instead of a random one offed sometime in the game. This... bears thinking about. [[spoiler:An amnesiac heartless Axel boss.]] ...This should really be under Wild Mass Guessing, shouldn't it?
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** If Data-Roxas only used Event Horizon, that might make sense, but he uses Magic Hour, which he only gets after Day 357, which happens a long time after CoM ends.
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** If Data-Roxas only used Event Horizon, that might make sense, but he uses Magic Hour, which he only gets after Day 357, which happens a long time after CoM [=CoM=] ends.
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** Data-Sora can only reflect Sora as far as the end of Chain of Memories, because this is where the Journal ends. Logically, therefore, the same must be true of Data-Roxas. By the time Chain of Memories ends -which is in the middle of 358/2, Roxas has his 358/2 super move, but we haven't him use his super move from II. Perhaps he acquired the latter nearer the end of 358/2, in which case it's unclear why he never used it. Or maybe he learned it at an even later point, somewhere within Sora's heart. It's even possible that he always knew the move, but never used it during 358/2 for some reason. In any case, he's using the same super move that he used during the time that the Journal covers.
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** Data-Sora can only reflect Sora as far as the end of Chain of Memories, because this is where the Journal ends. Logically, therefore, the same must be true of Data-Roxas. By the time Chain of Memories ends -which - which is in the middle of 358/2, 358/2 - Roxas has his 358/2 super move, but we haven't him use his super move from II. Perhaps he acquired the latter nearer the end of 358/2, in which case it's unclear why he never used it. Or maybe he learned it at an even later point, somewhere within Sora's heart. It's even possible that he always knew the move, but never used it during 358/2 for some reason. In any case, he's using the same super move that he used during the time that the Journal covers.
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* So, if Data Sora [[spoiler: forgot everything because it wasn't in the journal]], then why didn't Jiminy just write the events of the game in the journal?
** Because it'd take to much time? because screwing around with something already screwed up is probably not the best idea? And even then, the way they did things was probably easier.
* According to the main page the game sets up [[spoiler: a mission to rescue Terra, Ven, Aqua, and Axel in another game ]]. I don't know the exact details, but I can accept most of that. But wasn't [[spoiler: Terra's body essentially destroyed when Sora killed Ansem/Xemnas? He killed Xehanort's Heartless and Nobody, so there is nothing left of him nor Terra's body left anywhere to rescue. ]] Or is that explained in the game somewhere?
** Since he [[spoiler: BEAT both sides, they are going to return in some form as the secret cutscene showed. Terra, being in the same heart, is bound to come back in the same way.]]
** [[spoiler: Basically, Nomura has indicated when both the Heartless and the Nobody of Someone is destroyed, they come back as their original self. So, if Sora happened to randomly off Axel's Heartless sometime during the first two Kingdom Hearts, Axel would have come back as Lea after his Nobody was destroyed. And since we know both Xehanort's Heartless and Nobody were offed, he will be coming back. If Terra's heart was residing with Xehanort's heart, like Ven's heart was with Sora's, though, I can see some interesting twists and turns coming our way when III comes out.]]
* So, if Data Sora [[spoiler: forgot everything because it wasn't in the journal]], then why didn't Jiminy just write the events of the game in the journal?
** Because it'd take to much time? because screwing around with something already screwed up is probably not the best idea? And even then, the way they did things was probably easier.
* According to the main page the game sets up [[spoiler: a mission to rescue Terra, Ven, Aqua, and Axel in another game ]]. I don't know the exact details, but I can accept most of that. But wasn't [[spoiler: Terra's body essentially destroyed when Sora killed Ansem/Xemnas? He killed Xehanort's Heartless and Nobody, so there is nothing left of him nor Terra's body left anywhere to rescue. ]] Or is that explained in the game somewhere?
** Since he [[spoiler: BEAT both sides, they are going to return in some form as the secret cutscene showed. Terra, being in the same heart, is bound to come back in the same way.]]
** [[spoiler: Basically, Nomura has indicated when both the Heartless and the Nobody of Someone is destroyed, they come back as their original self. So, if Sora happened to randomly off Axel's Heartless sometime during the first two Kingdom Hearts, Axel would have come back as Lea after his Nobody was destroyed. And since we know both Xehanort's Heartless and Nobody were offed, he will be coming back. If Terra's heart was residing with Xehanort's heart, like Ven's heart was with Sora's, though, I can see some interesting twists and turns coming our way when III comes out.]]
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** Pete got sucked in at the same time as Mickey and company, and Maleficent teleported to him. Presumably, she actually didn't get digitised and is in effect her normal self, unrestricted by the usual rules of the data (which explains her [[ThatOneBoss potentially being such a pain to fight]]: She's not following the program.
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* So, if Data Sora[[spoiler: forgot [[spoiler:forgot everything because it wasn't in the journal]], then why didn't Jiminy just write the events of the game in the journal?
** Because it'd taketo too much time? because Because screwing around with something already screwed up is probably not the best idea? And even then, the way they did things was probably easier.
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* According to the mainpage page, the game sets up [[spoiler: a [[spoiler:a mission to rescue Terra, Ven, Aqua, and Axel in another game ]].game]]. I don't know the exact details, but I can accept most of that. But wasn't [[spoiler: Terra's [[spoiler:Terra's body essentially destroyed when Sora killed Ansem/Xemnas? He killed Xehanort's Heartless and Nobody, so there is nothing left of him nor Terra's body left anywhere to rescue. rescue.]] Or is that explained in the game somewhere?
** Since he[[spoiler: BEAT [[spoiler:BEAT both sides, they are going to return in some form form, as the secret cutscene showed. Terra, being in the same heart, is bound to come back in the same way.]]
**[[spoiler: Basically, [[spoiler:Basically, Nomura has indicated that when both the Heartless and the Nobody of Someone is destroyed, they come back as their original self. So, if Sora happened to randomly off Axel's Heartless sometime during the first two Kingdom Hearts, Axel would have come back as Lea after his Nobody was destroyed. And since we know both Xehanort's Heartless and Nobody were offed, he will be coming back. If Terra's heart was residing with Xehanort's heart, like Ven's heart was with Sora's, though, I can see some interesting twists and turns coming our way when III comes out.]]
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* So, if Data Sora [[spoiler: forgot everything because it wasn't in the journal]], then why didn't Jiminy just write the events of the game in the journal?
** Because it'd take to much time? because screwing around with something already screwed up is probably not the best idea? And even then, the way they did things was probably easier.
* According to the main page the game sets up [[spoiler: a mission to rescue Terra, Ven, Aqua, and Axel in another game ]]. I don't know the exact details, but I can accept most of that. But wasn't [[spoiler: Terra's body essentially destroyed when Sora killed Ansem/Xemnas? He killed Xehanort's Heartless and Nobody, so there is nothing left of him nor Terra's body left anywhere to rescue. ]] Or is that explained in the game somewhere?
** Since he [[spoiler: BEAT both sides, they are going to return in some form as the secret cutscene showed. Terra, being in the same heart, is bound to come back in the same way.]]
** Because it'd take to much time? because screwing around with something already screwed up is probably not the best idea? And even then, the way they did things was probably easier.
* According to the main page the game sets up [[spoiler: a mission to rescue Terra, Ven, Aqua, and Axel in another game ]]. I don't know the exact details, but I can accept most of that. But wasn't [[spoiler: Terra's body essentially destroyed when Sora killed Ansem/Xemnas? He killed Xehanort's Heartless and Nobody, so there is nothing left of him nor Terra's body left anywhere to rescue. ]] Or is that explained in the game somewhere?
** Since he [[spoiler: BEAT both sides, they are going to return in some form as the secret cutscene showed. Terra, being in the same heart, is bound to come back in the same way.]]
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** If Data-Roxas only used Event Horizon, that might make sense, but he uses Magic Hour, which he only gets after Day 357, which happens a long time after CoM ends.
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** Data-Sora can only reflect Sora as far as the end of Chain of Memories, because this is where the Journal ends. Logically, therefore, the same must be true of Data-Roxas. By the time Chain of Memories ends -which is in the middle of 358/2, Roxas has his 358/2 super move, but we haven't him use his super move from II. Perhaps he acquired the latter nearer the end of 358/2, in which case it's unclear why he never used it. Or maybe he learned it at an even later point, somewhere within Sora's heart. It's even possible that he always knew the move, but never used it during 358/2 for some reason. In any case, he's using the same super move that he used during the time that the Journal covers.
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** Pete got sucked in at the same time as Mickey and company, and Maleficent teleported to him. Presumably, she actually didn't get digitised and is in effect her normal self, unrestricted by the usual rules of the data (which explains her [[ThatOneBoss potentially being such a pain to fight]]: She's not following the program.
** Pete got sucked in at the same time as Mickey and company, and Maleficent teleported to him. Presumably, she actually didn't get digitised and is in effect her normal self, unrestricted by the usual rules of the data (which explains her [[ThatOneBoss potentially being such a pain to fight]]: She's not following the program.
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