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** Owlman is a nihilist with a generally low opinion of humanity. He doesn't know for certain, but simply believes that Earth Prime was destroyed by humans because he believes humanity is fundamentally destructive and malevolent. It's simply a reflection of his own biases and prejudices.
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*** [[Series/{{Angel}} Because if nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do.]] And destroying the entirety of reality is a pretty epic thing to do even if it doesn't matter.

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*** [[Series/{{Angel}} Because if nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do.]] And if nothing else, destroying the entirety of reality is a pretty much more interesting and epic thing to do than just lying in bed every day waiting for death even if it doesn't matter.to a nihilist both actions matter as little as each other in the long run.
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*** [[Series/{{Angel}} Because if nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do.]] And destroying the entirety of reality is a pretty epic thing to do even if it doesn't matter.
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** I think we do also have to chalk this up to "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". When we say the League don't kill, we might be better saying the League don't kill on a whim, or because it's more convenient and easier, or to satisfy some sadistic impulse, or to give themselves more power and authority over others. They try as hard as possible to save everyone, including their enemies, and take no pleasure or satisfaction in the possibility of anyone's death. If you look at their final fight scene, Batman tries numerous ways to incapacitate Owlman in a non-lethal fashion and could have had a much easier time against him if he just took the gloves off and aimed to kill him from the start. But ultimately, Owlman is a nihilistic OmnicidalManiac who is trying to blow up literally the entire multiverse just because he can and has no compunction about killing Batman in order to do so. Batman doesn't want to die or risk sacrificing the whole of reality at Owlman's hands just to allow himself the moral satisfaction of never causing someone's death and, frankly, it would be a morally unforgivable act of foolishness if he did. Batman doesn't ''want'' to kill Owlman. He tries hard ''not'' to kill Owlman. But if it comes down to a choice between either Batman causing[=/=]allowing Owlman's death or Owlman causing the deaths of literally everything living thing ever, including himself, ultimately that's no choice at all.

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** I think we do also have to chalk this up to "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". When we say the League don't kill, we might be better saying the League don't kill on a whim, or because it's more convenient and easier, or to satisfy some sadistic impulse, or to give themselves more power and authority over others. They try as hard as possible to save everyone, including their enemies, and take no pleasure or satisfaction in the possibility of anyone's death. If you look at their final fight scene, at several points Batman tries numerous ways goes out of his way to try and incapacitate Owlman in a non-lethal fashion and could have had a much easier time against him if he just took the gloves off and aimed to kill him from the start. But ultimately, Owlman is a nihilistic OmnicidalManiac who is trying to blow up literally the entire multiverse just because he can and has no compunction about killing Batman in order to do so. Batman doesn't want to die or risk sacrificing the whole of reality at Owlman's hands just to allow himself the moral satisfaction of never causing someone's death and, frankly, it would be a morally unforgivable act of foolishness if he did. Batman doesn't ''want'' to kill Owlman. He tries hard ''not'' to kill Owlman. But if it comes down to a choice between either Batman causing[=/=]allowing Owlman's death or Owlman causing the deaths of literally everything living thing ever, including himself, ultimately that's no choice at all.
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** I think we do also have to chalk this up to "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". When we say the League don't kill, we might be better saying the League don't kill on a whim, or because it's more convenient and easier, or to satisfy some sadistic impulse, or to give themselves more power and authority over others. They try as hard as possible to save everyone, including their enemies, and take no pleasure or satisfaction in the possibility of anyone's death. If you look at their final fight scene, Batman tries numerous ways to incapacitate Owlman in a non-lethal fashion and could have had a much easier time against him if he just took the gloves off and aimed to kill him. But ultimately, Owlman is a nihilistic OmnicidalManiac who is trying to blow up literally the entire multiverse just because he can and has no compunction about killing Batman in order to do so. Batman doesn't want to die or risk sacrificing the whole of reality at Owlman's hands just to allow himself the moral satisfaction of never causing someone's death and, frankly, it would be a morally unforgivable act of foolishness if he did. Batman doesn't ''want'' to kill Owlman. He tries hard ''not'' to kill Owlman. But if it comes down to a choice between either Batman causing[=/=]allowing Owlman's death or Owlman causing the deaths of literally everything living thing ever, including himself, ultimately that's no choice at all.

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** I think we do also have to chalk this up to "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". When we say the League don't kill, we might be better saying the League don't kill on a whim, or because it's more convenient and easier, or to satisfy some sadistic impulse, or to give themselves more power and authority over others. They try as hard as possible to save everyone, including their enemies, and take no pleasure or satisfaction in the possibility of anyone's death. If you look at their final fight scene, Batman tries numerous ways to incapacitate Owlman in a non-lethal fashion and could have had a much easier time against him if he just took the gloves off and aimed to kill him.him from the start. But ultimately, Owlman is a nihilistic OmnicidalManiac who is trying to blow up literally the entire multiverse just because he can and has no compunction about killing Batman in order to do so. Batman doesn't want to die or risk sacrificing the whole of reality at Owlman's hands just to allow himself the moral satisfaction of never causing someone's death and, frankly, it would be a morally unforgivable act of foolishness if he did. Batman doesn't ''want'' to kill Owlman. He tries hard ''not'' to kill Owlman. But if it comes down to a choice between either Batman causing[=/=]allowing Owlman's death or Owlman causing the deaths of literally everything living thing ever, including himself, ultimately that's no choice at all.
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** I think we do also have to chalk this up to "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". When we say the League don't kill, we might be better saying the League don't kill on a whim, or because it's more convenient and easier, or to satisfy some sadistic impulse, or to give themselves more power and authority over others. They try as hard as possible to save everyone, including their enemies, and take no pleasure or satisfaction in the possibility of anyone's death. If you look at their final fight scene, Batman tries numerous ways to incapacitate Owlman in a non-lethal fashion and could have had a much easier time against him if he just took the gloves off and aimed to kill him. But ultimately, Owlman is a nihilistic OmnicidalManiac who is trying to blow up literally the entire multiverse just because he can and has no compunction about killing Batman in order to do so. Batman doesn't ''want'' to kill Owlman. He tries hard ''not'' to kill Owlman. But if it comes down to a choice between either Batman causing[=/=]allowing Owlman's death or Owlman causing the deaths of literally everything living thing ever, including himself, ultimately that's no choice at all.

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** I think we do also have to chalk this up to "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". When we say the League don't kill, we might be better saying the League don't kill on a whim, or because it's more convenient and easier, or to satisfy some sadistic impulse, or to give themselves more power and authority over others. They try as hard as possible to save everyone, including their enemies, and take no pleasure or satisfaction in the possibility of anyone's death. If you look at their final fight scene, Batman tries numerous ways to incapacitate Owlman in a non-lethal fashion and could have had a much easier time against him if he just took the gloves off and aimed to kill him. But ultimately, Owlman is a nihilistic OmnicidalManiac who is trying to blow up literally the entire multiverse just because he can and has no compunction about killing Batman in order to do so. Batman doesn't want to die or risk sacrificing the whole of reality at Owlman's hands just to allow himself the moral satisfaction of never causing someone's death and, frankly, it would be a morally unforgivable act of foolishness if he did. Batman doesn't ''want'' to kill Owlman. He tries hard ''not'' to kill Owlman. But if it comes down to a choice between either Batman causing[=/=]allowing Owlman's death or Owlman causing the deaths of literally everything living thing ever, including himself, ultimately that's no choice at all.
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** Plus, even if Batman ''thinks'' that Owlman's plan doesn't work, he doesn't want to risk ''possibly being wrong'' and everything going boom.

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** Plus, even if Batman ''thinks'' that Owlman's plan doesn't won't work, he doesn't want to risk ''possibly being wrong'' and everything going boom.



** I think we do also have to chalk this up to "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". When we say the League don't kill, we might be better saying the League don't kill on a whim, or because it's more convenient and easier, or to satisfy some sadistic impulse, or to give themselves more power and authority over others. They try as hard as possible to save everyone, including their enemies, and take no pleasure in the possibility of anyone's death. But in this case, Owlman is a nihilistic OmnicidalManiac who is trying to blow up literally the entire multiverse just because he can. Batman doesn't ''want'' to kill Owlman. He tries hard ''not'' to kill Owlman. But if it comes down to a choice between either causing Owlman's death or Owlman causing the deaths of literally everything living thing ever, ultimately that's no choice at all.

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** I think we do also have to chalk this up to "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". When we say the League don't kill, we might be better saying the League don't kill on a whim, or because it's more convenient and easier, or to satisfy some sadistic impulse, or to give themselves more power and authority over others. They try as hard as possible to save everyone, including their enemies, and take no pleasure or satisfaction in the possibility of anyone's death. If you look at their final fight scene, Batman tries numerous ways to incapacitate Owlman in a non-lethal fashion and could have had a much easier time against him if he just took the gloves off and aimed to kill him. But in this case, ultimately, Owlman is a nihilistic OmnicidalManiac who is trying to blow up literally the entire multiverse just because he can.can and has no compunction about killing Batman in order to do so. Batman doesn't ''want'' to kill Owlman. He tries hard ''not'' to kill Owlman. But if it comes down to a choice between either causing Batman causing[=/=]allowing Owlman's death or Owlman causing the deaths of literally everything living thing ever, including himself, ultimately that's no choice at all.
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** I think we do also have to chalk this up to "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". When we say the League don't kill, we might be better saying the League don't kill on a whim, or because it's more convenient, or to satisfy some sadistic impulse, or to give themselves more power and authority over others. They try as hard as possible to save everyone, including their enemies, and take no pleasure in the possibility of anyone's death. But in this case, Owlman is a nihilistic OmnicidalManiac who is trying to blow up literally the entire multiverse just because he can. Batman doesn't ''want'' to kill Owlman. He tries hard ''not'' to kill Owlman. But if it comes down to a choice between either causing Owlman's death or Owlman causing the deaths of literally everything living thing ever, ultimately that's no choice at all.

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** I think we do also have to chalk this up to "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". When we say the League don't kill, we might be better saying the League don't kill on a whim, or because it's more convenient, convenient and easier, or to satisfy some sadistic impulse, or to give themselves more power and authority over others. They try as hard as possible to save everyone, including their enemies, and take no pleasure in the possibility of anyone's death. But in this case, Owlman is a nihilistic OmnicidalManiac who is trying to blow up literally the entire multiverse just because he can. Batman doesn't ''want'' to kill Owlman. He tries hard ''not'' to kill Owlman. But if it comes down to a choice between either causing Owlman's death or Owlman causing the deaths of literally everything living thing ever, ultimately that's no choice at all.
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** Because [[ComicallyMissingThePoint Osama Bin Laden wasn't a US citizen.]]
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** They also don't necessarily trust ''each other'' with their mundane identities. Supervillains aren't known for getting along, despite alliances.

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** They also don't necessarily trust ''each other'' with their mundane identities. Supervillains aren't known for getting along, despite alliances.
alliances. Indeed, him knowing other Crime Syndicate members' secret identities could be part of the reason why Owlman exerts as much influence among them as he does, despite being outclassed in the brute-force-power department.
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** They also don't necessarily trust ''each other'' with their mundane identities. Supervillains aren't known for getting along, despite alliances.
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** Moreover, he's not killing Owlman, he's letting Owlman kill ''himself'' if he chooses to leave his own bomb activated. Essentially, it's a test of Owlman's convictions: if he's ''really'' so nihilistic that he won't stop trying to destroy the multiverse, then he's ''also'' nihilistic enough to stay chained to the bomb until it explodes. If, faced with the abyss of his own meaningless death, he blinks again, then Owlman can save himself, but only by abandoning his philosophy that nothing matters. Batman is forcing Owlman to sacrifice only his '''own''' life on the altar of his beliefs, if he remains true to them, rather than everyone else's. And he's not worried that Owlman will try to weasel out of the choice (i.e. escape, then keep trying to destroy reality), because putting his ''own'' life in jeopardy is something Batman, himself, has never hesitated to do for ''his'' principles, so he expects nothing less from his counterpart.
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** I think we do also have to chalk this up to "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". When we say the League don't kill, we might be better saying the League don't kill on a whim, or because it's more convenient, or to satisfy some sadistic impulse. They try as hard as possible to save everyone, including their enemies, and take no pleasure in the possibility of anyone's death. But in this case, Owlman is a nihilistic OmnicidalManiac who is trying to blow up literally the entire multiverse just because he can. Batman doesn't ''want'' to kill Owlman. He tries hard ''not'' to kill Owlman. But if it comes down to a choice between either the death of Owlman or the death of literally everything living thing ever, ultimately that's no choice at all.

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** I think we do also have to chalk this up to "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". When we say the League don't kill, we might be better saying the League don't kill on a whim, or because it's more convenient, or to satisfy some sadistic impulse.impulse, or to give themselves more power and authority over others. They try as hard as possible to save everyone, including their enemies, and take no pleasure in the possibility of anyone's death. But in this case, Owlman is a nihilistic OmnicidalManiac who is trying to blow up literally the entire multiverse just because he can. Batman doesn't ''want'' to kill Owlman. He tries hard ''not'' to kill Owlman. But if it comes down to a choice between either the causing Owlman's death of or Owlman or causing the death deaths of literally everything living thing ever, ultimately that's no choice at all.
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** I think we do also have to chalk this up to "the needs of the many outweigh needs of the few". When we say the League don't kill, we might be better saying the League don't kill 'on a whim'. They try as hard as possible to save everyone, including their enemies, and take no pleasure in the possibility of death. But in this case, Owlman is a nihilistic OmnicidalManiac who is trying to blow up literally the entire multiverse just because he can. Batman doesn't ''want'' to kill Owlman. He tries hard ''not'' to kill Owlman. But if it comes down to a choice between either the death of Owlman or the death of literally everything living thing ever, ultimately that's no choice at all.

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** I think we do also have to chalk this up to "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". When we say the League don't kill, we might be better saying the League don't kill 'on on a whim'. whim, or because it's more convenient, or to satisfy some sadistic impulse. They try as hard as possible to save everyone, including their enemies, and take no pleasure in the possibility of anyone's death. But in this case, Owlman is a nihilistic OmnicidalManiac who is trying to blow up literally the entire multiverse just because he can. Batman doesn't ''want'' to kill Owlman. He tries hard ''not'' to kill Owlman. But if it comes down to a choice between either the death of Owlman or the death of literally everything living thing ever, ultimately that's no choice at all.
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** Because he wants to die (destroying everything everywhere will kill him) but because he hates literally everything and everything, he wants ''them'' to die as well.


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** Plus, even if Batman ''thinks'' that Owlman's plan doesn't work, he doesn't want to risk ''possibly being wrong'' and everything going boom.


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** I think we do also have to chalk this up to "the needs of the many outweigh needs of the few". When we say the League don't kill, we might be better saying the League don't kill 'on a whim'. They try as hard as possible to save everyone, including their enemies, and take no pleasure in the possibility of death. But in this case, Owlman is a nihilistic OmnicidalManiac who is trying to blow up literally the entire multiverse just because he can. Batman doesn't ''want'' to kill Owlman. He tries hard ''not'' to kill Owlman. But if it comes down to a choice between either the death of Owlman or the death of literally everything living thing ever, ultimately that's no choice at all.
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** Their control is still limited by what amounts to a cold war between them and the normal governments. Maintaining secret identities gives them an escape hatch if the governments had gained the upper hand but not actually captured them.
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*** Superwoman mentioned the dead iceworld while flipping through settings and threatening to send Batman to a hostile world, so the device (which was said to store the last dozen or so settings) had that information.
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** Also, supervillains like to look dramatic.

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** Also, [[VillainousFashionSense supervillains like to look dramatic.dramatic]].
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**Also, supervillains like to look dramatic.
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** Alternately, Lex picked up a piece from a universe where Ultraman didn't destroy all the blue kryptonite. Say, for example, Ultraman had decided to gather up and destroy all the kryptonite a few years ago. At that same time, an alternate universe was made where he didn't decide to do that. On another timeline, he might have found that blue kryptonite makes for an awesome fuel for power plants that would put all the oil companies out of business and rake in billions of dollars legitimately. Lex could have just searched for a timeline where synthetic blue kryptonite was available at every corner drug store and bought some.
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** When I watched the scene where Owlman explained the multiverse to Superwoman,I was under the impression that Owlman wasn't actually denoting real Earths, merely using the image to make a point contrary to Superwoman. You'll notice that the first "alternate earth" he mentions is a polar opposite of their current situation. Him mentioning the fish world was a hyperbole that didn't need to technically be true to illustrate his point.

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** Again you guys, you're ignoring my question. It's not about what happens during the fight with Batman, or after on the iice world, or even the rammifications of what he was trying ti do. I'm asking ''why'', a nihilist like Owlman, wants to destroys all Earths, when ''by definition'' as a Nihilist, ''nothing'' matters?

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** Again you guys, you're ignoring my question. It's not about what happens during the fight with Batman, or after on the iice ice world, or even the rammifications of what he was trying ti do. I'm asking ''why'', a nihilist like Owlman, wants to destroys all Earths, when ''by definition'' as a Nihilist, ''nothing'' matters?



** From the way I saw it, Owlman wanted to destroy everyone and everything because it was the only meaningful choice he thought he could make. Owlman saw every choice as predetermined because he saw all realities nothing but the result of a choice made by a you from a different reality. However, if Owlm destroyed Earth Prime and end all realities, he would be making a choice no other Owlman had ever done and thus a meaningful choice determined by his own will rather than the will of another Owlman. Because if an Owlman had done it before him, he wouldn't be around to do it. And if he failed and another Owlman succeeded, he still wouldn't be around to be angry about the failure. Thus destrying Earth Prime is the one true choice from Owlman's point of view. It's the only choice that couldn't have been predetermined in some form or fashion.

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** From the way I saw it, Owlman wanted to destroy everyone and everything because it was the only meaningful choice he thought he could make. Owlman saw every choice as predetermined because he saw all realities nothing but the result of a choice made by a you from a different reality. However, if Owlm Owlman destroyed Earth Prime and end all realities, he would be making a choice no other Owlman had ever done and thus a meaningful choice determined by his own will rather than the will of another Owlman. Because if an Owlman had done it before him, he wouldn't be around to do it. And if he failed and another Owlman succeeded, he still wouldn't be around to be angry about the failure. Thus destrying destroying Earth Prime is the one true choice from Owlman's point of view. It's the only choice that couldn't have been predetermined in some form or fashion.


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**When I watched the scene,I was under the impression that Owlman wasn't actually denoting real Earths, merely using the image to make a point contrary to Superwoman. You'll notice that the first "alternate earth" he mentions is a polar opposite of their current situation. Him mentioning the fish world was a hyperbole that didn't need to technically be true to illustrate his point.
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** Earth-Prime was a barren wasteland, but in the comics it's supposed to be our world. [[WesternAnimation/Futurama Unless they were just in L.A.]], clearly it's all non-canon and the rules are different here.

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** Earth-Prime was a barren wasteland, but in the comics it's supposed to be our world. [[WesternAnimation/Futurama [[WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}} Unless they were just in L.A.]], clearly it's all non-canon and the rules are different here.
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** Earth-Prime was a barren wasteland, but in the comics it's supposed to be our world. Unless they were just in L.A., clearly it's all non-canon and the rules are different here.

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** Earth-Prime was a barren wasteland, but in the comics it's supposed to be our world. [[WesternAnimation/Futurama Unless they were just in L.A., ]], clearly it's all non-canon and the rules are different here.
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** Because he is a murderous psychopath. Who happens to be a nihilist.
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*** Plus death wasn't certain, for all we know if he'd stopped as soon as Batman got back he'd have been fine, if down a couple decades. It just happened to take him a bit too long to stop.
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** Because there's still the normal-universe villains as heroes, and any citizens with guns who kidnap or kill their relatives.
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**From the way I saw it, Owlman wanted to destroy everyone and everything because it was the only meaningful choice he thought he could make. Owlman saw every choice as predetermined because he saw all realities nothing but the result of a choice made by a you from a different reality. However, if Owlm destroyed Earth Prime and end all realities, he would be making a choice no other Owlman had ever done and thus a meaningful choice determined by his own will rather than the will of another Owlman. Because if an Owlman had done it before him, he wouldn't be around to do it. And if he failed and another Owlman succeeded, he still wouldn't be around to be angry about the failure. Thus destrying Earth Prime is the one true choice from Owlman's point of view. It's the only choice that couldn't have been predetermined in some form or fashion.
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*** It's the Grandfather Paradox. If you were to go back in time and kill your grandfather when he was still a kid, then he could never have children. If he never had children, your parents were never born, and neither were you. So your grandfather never died, so he did die. Earth Prime is an Earth before a choice. Take away the Earth before a choice is made, you take away the choices. You take away the Multiverse. There was no human race, and there would be no human race. His goal was to end all life in all worlds. You want to get as many branches as you want from a tree for your use and only your use, you cut down the tree at the trunk.
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* If the Crime Syndicate practically control the whole world, why do they need masks and presumably secret identies?

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