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** I'm talking ''canon'', though: In ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix Order of the Phoenix]]'', Bellatrix Lestrange regards Harry as "filthy" because he's a half-blood (I believe her exact line was, "You dare speak his name? Besmirch it with your half-blood's tongue?" Or very, very close to it.) So obviously, blood status isn't as simple as fanon would have it; not to mention just how many fans, especially in RP and fanfic communities, [[CompletelyMissingThePoint think that being a pure-blood is better.]]

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** I'm talking ''canon'', though: In ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix Order of the Phoenix]]'', Bellatrix Lestrange regards Harry as "filthy" because he's a half-blood (I believe her exact line was, "You dare speak his name? Besmirch it with your half-blood's tongue?" Or very, very close to it.) So obviously, blood status isn't as simple as fanon would have it; not to mention just how many fans, especially in RP and fanfic communities, [[CompletelyMissingThePoint think that being a pure-blood is better.]]

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** It is mentioned by Aragog that his children "do not harm Hagrid at my instruction", so we can assume there is a deal or arrangement of sorts for them to have their own land as long as they stay away from the school. There are never any incidents of them even going outside the forest except when one is used in the Triwizard Tournament or in the battle at the end of the last book. And the name 'Forbidden' pretty much spells out that the children are not to go in there. And any time they're allowed in, it's with the half-giant gamekeeper who's something of an ambassador to these creatures.
** And if you want to go off the ''Fantastic Beasts'' book, it just says that there are unconfirmed rumors of a colony in Scotland. So the Ministry haven't investigated it yet, if they know about it at all.




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** There is mention of [=McGonagall=] wearing a "Gryffindor scarf" in the fifth book, so those students could be wearing other accessories like that when Harry identifies them.


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** When a ghost goes through you in this universe, it's compared to being doused in cold water. So there's definitely ''something'' there. They're transparent, but they have enough form to cause that feeling.


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*** Just for the record, that incident is the Vanishing Cabinet being broken. Nick just says he "convinced Peeves to crash it". So Nick didn't do it himself; he got Peeves to do it instead.


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** Let's also not forget that the books take place in the 90s, which was a time of relative peace - The Troubles had an official ceasefire, the Cold War was over, school shootings were not a regular occurrence - so even Muggle schools would not have such rigid screening processes. In the 2000s, this changed completely with the Iraq War.
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*** There's also the fact that in Hogwarts, it is somewhat difficult to do things when no one is around. There are spy-animals, a teacher could be just around the corner and virtually anyone else could be watching. One can also safe to assume that the teachers will be punished for their actions, as Dumble has stated only certain members of the staff can punish students, meaning that there are rules that they have to follow.

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*** There's also the fact that in Hogwarts, it is somewhat difficult to do things when no one is around. There are spy-animals, a teacher could be just around the corner and virtually anyone else could be watching. One can also safe to assume that the teachers will be punished for their actions, as Dumble has stated only certain members of the staff can punish students, meaning that there are rules that they have to follow.follow. Because of this fact there may be more rules that the teachers must follow, less they get fired, or worse. For example "not bribing students into doing favors for points".
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*** There's also the fact that it in Hogwarts, it is somewhat difficult to do things when no one is around. There are spy-animals, a teacher could be just around the corner and virtually anyone else could be watching. One can also safe to assume that the teachers will be punished for their actions, as Dumble has stated only certain members of the staff can punish students, meaning that there are rules that they have to follow.

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*** There's also the fact that it in Hogwarts, it is somewhat difficult to do things when no one is around. There are spy-animals, a teacher could be just around the corner and virtually anyone else could be watching. One can also safe to assume that the teachers will be punished for their actions, as Dumble has stated only certain members of the staff can punish students, meaning that there are rules that they have to follow.
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*** There's also the fact that it in Hogwarts, it is somewhat difficult to do things when no one is around. There are spy-animals, a teacher could be just around the corner and virtually anyone else could be watching. One can also safe to assume that the teachers will be punished for their actions, as Dumble has stated only certain members of the staff can punish students, meaning that there are rules that they have to follow.
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*** An excerpt from the official [[https://www.hp-lexicon.org/thing/hogwarts-classes/ Hogwarts Schedule]]: "In this class, they learn the names of stars and constellations, of planets and their moons. They study the motions of the stars and planets through the heavens. They learn how to use telescopes, observe the night skies through them, and make labeled star charts. They even learn current Muggle knowledge about the solar system, such as the sizes and surface features of Jupiter’s moons (knowledge unknown until the Muggle spacecraft Pioneer 10 and 11, Voyager 1 and 2, and Galileo flew past them and radioed back detailed images)." TL;DR it's literally a normal astronomy class, plus it's compulsory. It also seems to sell itself as a "subclass" of Muggle Studies.

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*** An excerpt from the official [[https://www.hp-lexicon.org/thing/hogwarts-classes/ Hogwarts Schedule]]: "In ''"In this class, they learn the names of stars and constellations, of planets and their moons. They study the motions of the stars and planets through the heavens. They learn how to use telescopes, observe the night skies through them, and make labeled star charts. They even learn current Muggle knowledge about the solar system, such as the sizes and surface features of Jupiter’s moons (knowledge unknown until the Muggle spacecraft Pioneer 10 and 11, Voyager 1 and 2, and Galileo flew past them and radioed back detailed images)." "'' TL;DR it's literally a normal astronomy class, plus it's compulsory. It also seems to sell itself as a "subclass" of Muggle Studies.
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*** Since astronomy is basically used in studying the universe, maybe it's one of the more scientific classes. Furthermore, they probably teach astrology in that class as well. Alternatively, [[WildMassGuessing astronomy may be used in place for "astrology"]].

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*** Since An excerpt from the official [[https://www.hp-lexicon.org/thing/hogwarts-classes/ Hogwarts Schedule]]: "In this class, they learn the names of stars and constellations, of planets and their moons. They study the motions of the stars and planets through the heavens. They learn how to use telescopes, observe the night skies through them, and make labeled star charts. They even learn current Muggle knowledge about the solar system, such as the sizes and surface features of Jupiter’s moons (knowledge unknown until the Muggle spacecraft Pioneer 10 and 11, Voyager 1 and 2, and Galileo flew past them and radioed back detailed images)." TL;DR it's literally a normal astronomy is basically used in studying the universe, maybe class, plus it's one compulsory. It also seems to sell itself as a "subclass" of the more scientific classes. Furthermore, they probably teach astrology in that class as well. Alternatively, [[WildMassGuessing astronomy may be used in place for "astrology"]].Muggle Studies.
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*** Since astronomy is basically used in studying the universe, maybe it's one of the more scientific classes. Furthermore, they probably teach astrology in the class as well. [[WildMassGuessing Astronomy may be used in place for "astrology"]].

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*** Since astronomy is basically used in studying the universe, maybe it's one of the more scientific classes. Furthermore, they probably teach astrology in the that class as well. Alternatively, [[WildMassGuessing Astronomy astronomy may be used in place for "astrology"]].
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*** Since astronomy is basically used in studying the future, maybe it's one of the more scientifical classes. Furthermore, they probably teach astrology in the class as well. [[WildMassGuessing Astronomy may be used in place for "astrology"]].

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*** Since astronomy is basically used in studying the future, universe, maybe it's one of the more scientifical scientific classes. Furthermore, they probably teach astrology in the class as well. [[WildMassGuessing Astronomy may be used in place for "astrology"]].
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*** Since astronomy is basically used in studying the future, maybe it's one of the more scientifical classes. Furthermore, they probably teach astrology in the class as well. [[WildMassGuessing Astronomy may be used in place for "astrology"]].
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** Also, there's more than likely a bunch of kids who are genuinely super interested in divination. Imagine being taught to learn how to ''see into the future. In SCHOOL!''

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** And a lot of people don't realise that the Muggle education system is much NewerThanTheyThink, and is still very much in an experimental phase; it wasn't until the late 1800s that the idea of mass educating the general population came about (before that, it was aristocracy or meritocracy). The education system as we know it treats children's minds as empty piggy banks that need filling with knowledge - when in reality, children are avid thinkers. Hogwarts actually seems refreshing in that its classes actually prepare wizard children for what they'll need in later life; Charms, Transfiguration, Defence Against the Dark Arts and Potions are all vital skills to have. The only class that doesn't seem particularly useful is Astronomy, but there may be fields where it might benefit we don't hear about.




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** Generally speaking, in the Anglosphere, there isn't much of an emphasis on 'you have to know another language to survive in the world' - because English is quite a dominant language, especially in business, the arts etc. In countries like Germany for instance, it's a necessity to know different languages because German is not as widely spoken (for example the German that's spoken in Switzerland is basically a whole other language). German or French as a language is not really vital unless you're intending to spend lots of time in those specific areas (or countries where it is more dominant). By contrast, if you're outside the Anglosphere and know English, that opens up far more possibilities for you precisely because it's such a dominant language in the world. So this creates an odd double edged sword where in the Anglosphere it's not hammered in that one needs another language because you can assume someone from these other nations will have been taught yours.
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** Hufflepuff's dormitory is also in the basement, in reference to badger setts dug into the earth. There's likely no symbolic meaning to Slytherin's location beyond 'snakes like cool damp hidey holes'.
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** Also, [=McGonagall=] is Head of Gryffindor, which means she almost ''has'' to live in the castle so she can be on hand for her students if they need her. We can probably also safely assume that Dumbledore, Snape, Flitwick, Sprout, and Pomfrey live at the school, at least during the year, but there's no reason to think that the others do if they don't want to (though Sinistra might well simply because of her night classes).
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** Also, half a dozen universities in the UK -- Oxford, Cambridge, St Andrews, Glasgow, Aberdeen, and Edinburgh -- were established before the Statute of Secrecy came into effect; Oxford was founded around the same time Hogwarts was, in fact. It's certainly not inconceivable that e.g. Oxford has a magical College specifically designed for graduates of magical institutions who want a career in the Muggle world, or a career which straddles both worlds -- such a program could've come into existence before the Statute went into effect and continued afterward, only in secrecy. Coincidentally, of those six universities, ''four'' of them are in Scotland like Hogwarts.
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*** Why? They're ''wizards'', and overage wizards at that -- Hannah could quite easily live in Hogsmeade with Neville, and Apparate or Floo to the Leaky Cauldron every morning if she likes.
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*** There is a difference between peacefully explaining someone your world-view that is a bout tolerance and what Voldemort does. I agree with the rest though.
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** Isn't accepting that all of Snape's students passed their OWLs a bit too convenient? It is somewhat justified that his behavior is to be taken as a life lesson, but is that lesson really what one should teach 11 year olds? Acting in the manner in which he did does not seem likely to inspire his students to be better. Someone with his attitude has no business instructing children, he is certainly a genius in his field, but that doesn't necessitate him being a good or even average professor. Someone like Snape is probably best suited teaching either upperclassmen Potions or graduate work. Using fear is fine, but he clearly crossed a line where some of the kids started to hate him - a big no-no for teachers.

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** Isn't accepting that all of Snape's students passed their OWLs a bit too convenient? It is somewhat justified that his behavior is to be taken as a life lesson, but is that lesson really what one should teach 11 year olds? Acting in the manner in which he did does not seem likely to inspire his students to be better. Someone with his attitude has no business instructing children, he is certainly a genius in his field, but that doesn't necessitate him being a good or even average professor. Someone like Snape is probably best suited teaching either upperclassmen Potions or graduate work. Using fear is fine, but he clearly crossed a line where some of the kids started to hate him - a big no-no for teachers. In fact, he probably wouldn't even be considered for hiring in a Muggle school because he's affiliated with criminals.
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** Don't forget that in ''[[HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince HBP]]'', Rowling gave us Slughorn, a Slytherin who's not evil (just ambitious), and [=McLaggen=], a Gryffindor whose courage is the bad kind (arrogance).

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** Don't forget that in ''[[HarryPotterAndTheHalfBloodPrince HBP]]'', Rowling gave us Slughorn, a Slytherin who's not evil (just ambitious), and Cormac [=McLaggen=], a Gryffindor whose courage is the bad kind (arrogance).



** Neville isn't bad at potions, he just had a shitty teacher. What's the first thing Snape did? After mocking a student for not having the textbook memorized on the first day of class that is. Make dangerous potion, not go over safety procedures, not teach how to prep ingredients, not teach how to use equipment, and not go over how ingredients react together. Nope just. "directions are on the board" now make a potion that goes caustic without having actually been taught how to make potions. For all the worry about Cauldron bottom thickness no one seems to have thought up a WHIMIS equivalent for the wizarding world. It doesn't matter if potions is closer to cooking or chemistry, I had both those classes in high school and in both we went over safety procedures and proper use of equipment before we did anything else. (To a less degree in foods to be sure but still)

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** Neville isn't bad at potions, he just had a shitty teacher. What's the first thing Snape did? After mocking a student for not having the textbook memorized on the first day of class that is. Make dangerous potion, not go over safety procedures, not teach how to prep ingredients, not teach how to use equipment, and not go over how ingredients react together. Nope just. "directions are on the board" now make a potion that goes caustic without having actually been taught how to make potions. For all the worry about Cauldron bottom thickness thickness, no one seems to have thought up a WHIMIS equivalent for the wizarding world. It doesn't matter if potions is closer to cooking or chemistry, I had both those classes in high school and in both we went over safety procedures and proper use of equipment before we did anything else. (To a less degree in foods to be sure but still)



** There are several reasons for why Neville is bad at Potions. Sure, he improved a lot in the last couple of books, but think about the issues he showed in the first few. He is clumsy, something that will likely cause spilled potions, broken cauldrons, improperly cut ingredients, among other things. He has an awful memory, so him losing track of how much of something he added or how many times he stirred is expected. He gets nervous easily, so his early mistakes cause even bigger ones to happen. Now, maybe he could deal with all of that if he gave his all and focused on his stuff, but his last issue is the last nail in the coffin. His teacher is an asshole who hates him for no good reason (he has reasons, but they just make him look worse) and is basically breathing down his neck looking for a reason to flunk him. Just one of those could cause a fair bit of trouble on a class that requires as much precision as Potions, but with all of them together, and things look pretty bleak.

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** There are several reasons for why Neville is bad at Potions. Sure, he improved a lot in the last couple of books, but think about the issues he showed in the first few. He is clumsy, something that will likely cause spilled potions, broken cauldrons, improperly cut ingredients, among other things. He has an awful memory, so him losing track of how much of something he added or how many times he stirred is expected. He gets nervous easily, so his early mistakes cause even bigger ones to happen. Now, maybe he could deal with all of that if he gave his all and focused on his stuff, but his last issue is the last nail in the coffin. His teacher On top of that, Snape is an asshole who hates him for no good reason (he has reasons, but they just make him look worse) and is basically breathing down his neck looking for a reason to flunk him. Just one of those could cause a fair bit of trouble on a class that requires as much precision as Potions, but with all of them together, and things look pretty bleak.



** Cedric told Harry to go to the Hufflepuff Prefects bathroom to take a bath. Yes, Harry could have used Gryffindor's bathroom, but he didn't know how taking a bath with the egg would help him. For all he knew, there was something of special help in that particular bathroom (which it turns out, there was, in the form of Myrtle).
** Only problem is, that wasn't the Hufflepuff Prefect's bathroom. It was for all the prefects, and Hermione even tells Harry he'll be able to use it when he gets promoted to Quidditch Captain.

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** Cedric told Harry to go to the Hufflepuff Prefects bathroom to take a bath. Yes, Harry could have used Gryffindor's bathroom, but he didn't know how taking a bath with the egg would help him. For all he knew, there was something of special help in that particular bathroom (which it turns out, there was, in the form of Moaning Myrtle).
** Only problem is, that wasn't the Hufflepuff Prefect's bathroom. It was for all ''all'' the prefects, and Hermione even tells Harry he'll be able to use it when he gets promoted to Quidditch Captain.



** George mentions something in the third book about Wood being "still in the showers" - though he could also be referring to the rain outside - so presumably yes there are bathing facilities.
** IIRC, there was a portrait of a mermaid in the prefects' washroom, which helped Harry figure out that the second task would take place beneath the Hogwarts lake.

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** George mentions something in the third book about Oliver Wood being "still in the showers" - though he could also be referring to the rain outside - so presumably yes there are bathing facilities.
** IIRC, there was There's a portrait of a mermaid in the prefects' washroom, washroom (stained glass window in the film), which helped Harry figure out that the second task would take place beneath the Hogwarts lake.
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** You're forgetting skill. The absolute best Quidditch equipment in the world means nothing if it's being used by a baboon. I don't recall exactly which book, but there was one match (I want to say when Malfoy was on a Nimbus 2001 but Harry still had his inferior Nimbus 2000) where Malfoy failed to notice the Snitch fluttering right next to his ear and Harry ended up getting it. Equipment quality had nothing to do with that. Also recall the World Cup, where Krum got the Snitch, but Ireland's Chasers were so good that even the bonus 150 points wasn't enough for his team to win.

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** You're forgetting skill. The absolute best Quidditch equipment in the world means nothing if it's being used by a baboon. I don't recall exactly which In the second book, but there was one in the Quidditch match (I want to say when where Dobby sent the rogue Bludger after Harry, Malfoy was on a Nimbus 2001 but while Harry still had his inferior Nimbus 2000) where 2000. Malfoy failed to notice the Snitch fluttering right next to his ear and Harry ended up getting it. Equipment quality had nothing to do with that. Also recall the Quidditch World Cup, where Viktor Krum got the Snitch, but Ireland's Chasers were so good that even the bonus 150 points wasn't enough for his team to win.

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** There's a couple of other possibilities; a) Lily may have been popular or liked by everyone, but maybe that didn't translate into many lasting friendships. She might have been the type of NiceGirl who always got on with everyone, and no one had a bad word to say about her, but maybe she never had any friends she was particularly close with. B) Everyone going on about how she was beloved by all could be speaking through a RoseTintedNarrative; she's been dead for years, so they remember her in a loving and romanticised way. So maybe she wasn't really 'beloved by all', but merely not disliked by all.




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** Petunia apparently sent Dumbledore a letter when she was eleven, so letters sent through the Muggle post are definitely a thing. For all we know, Muggle parents are told about these eventualities and there are precautions - but we just don't hear about it because Harry doesn't know about it.


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** Do the rooms actually move around though? Isn't it just the staircases?
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** My answer to the the first question is; go back to school. My school is roughly the same size of Hogwarts and she has actually gotten the ratio of good and bad teachers quite well. The three worst teachers all represent real terrible teachers; one who torments, one who is too kind and friendly to be a teacher, and one who just doesn't understand the subject. At first I thought she missed one of the teacher archetypes, the one that doesn't do anything and tells you to "do your work" and then Umbridge came to the school. Well done.

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** My answer to the the first question is; go back to school. My school is roughly the same size of Hogwarts and she has actually gotten the ratio of good and bad teachers quite well. The three worst teachers all represent real terrible teachers; one who torments, one who is too kind and friendly to be a teacher, and one who just doesn't understand the subject. At first I thought she missed one of the teacher archetypes, the one that doesn't do anything and tells you to "do your work" and then Umbridge came to the school. Well done.



3. Have a three-stage curriculum. The first stage is the "intrigue them stage", which will focus on all the Muggle things kids would be interested in, such as radio-controlled toy cars, TV, computers (when they start appearing), etc.; the class will mostly consist of going to places where technology works. The second stage, the "reason with them stage", will be more academic and will feature things like calculating the number of Muggles for every wizard on the planet, in Great Britain/your region/town/neighborhood, and the more advanced stuff like "these are the births and deaths in the magical community: now calculate from 1668 if we only married pure-bloods when would we have gone extinct". The third stage, for the last two years, is the the "[[ScareEmStraight scare them straight]] stage". First thing, a recap using the numbers from last year; ask them "If we allowed only pure-bloods to marry, how many kids would the average woman have to conceive to maintain our population?" End the essay with a interview off a female relative asking her if she would do this. In the next weeks, we will be studying A-bombs, H-Bombs, AK-47s, and how untrained Muggle-borns can break our Masquerade, etc.

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3. Have a three-stage curriculum. The first stage is the "intrigue them stage", which will focus on all the Muggle things kids would be interested in, such as radio-controlled toy cars, TV, computers (when they start appearing), etc.; the class will mostly consist of going to places where technology works. The second stage, the "reason with them stage", will be more academic and will feature things like calculating the number of Muggles for every wizard on the planet, in Great Britain/your region/town/neighborhood, and the more advanced stuff like "these are the births and deaths in the magical community: now calculate from 1668 if we only married pure-bloods when would we have gone extinct". The third stage, for the last two years, is the the "[[ScareEmStraight scare them straight]] stage". First thing, a recap using the numbers from last year; ask them "If we allowed only pure-bloods to marry, how many kids would the average woman have to conceive to maintain our population?" End the essay with a interview off a female relative asking her if she would do this. In the next weeks, we will be studying A-bombs, H-Bombs, AK-47s, and how untrained Muggle-borns can break our Masquerade, etc.



* Why on earth was Percy sorted into Gryffindor? If you stop and think about he's really seriously Hufflepuff (I'm sure there are people who would say Slytherin, but he really seemed like he was perfectly happy to be a low-level worker as long as he felt like he was doing real practical work, though he was still glad to be bumped up of course); his defining characteristic from book four onward is his loyalty, the major problem being that he gave it to the wrong people until it reached a point where it was clear the the ministry didn't deserve that loyalty.

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** There is also the fact that while most Slytherins we meet are quite nasty pieces of work, there were several that we know of who were good, such as Merlin himself, Slughorn, while slimy, was unambiguously good, Andromeda Black, Tonk's mother, and several students fought in the Battle of Hogwarts, They had a rep for turning out more dark magic users that is true, but Quirrell was a Ravenclaw, Wormtail was a Gryffindor.
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** Because snakes usually go for dark, damp areas, so it's symbolic of that. And Slytherin House doesn't value ''elitism'' itself, that's the students being idiotic - the House values ambition, cunning, and ''resourcefullness''. The House common room being in the dungeons might be part of that, being resourceful.
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*** Do try to remember that, secret magical society aside, this is still a regular school we're discussing here. No school I've been to has ever had an extensive security system in place to deter intruders, or any screening process more complicated than "All visitors should report to the main office," because what foreseeable reason would anyone have to want to sneak into a school? There were ample protections placed around the Philosopher's Stone in the first book, and Voldemort hadn't been seen or heard from in roughly a decade, so no reason to suspect him above anyone else. In the third book, the increased security and a screening process wouldn't have helped because Sirius kept getting in thanks to his own foreknowledge of the castle's secret passageways and his Animagus form that the school staff, sans Lupin, didn't know about. Again, no one had reason to think to secure the school when Moody became a professor, since nothing had happened to indicate that the school was in particular danger that year. And once Voldemort returned, all the necessary precautions were installed, with the Death Eaters in the sixth book only getting in because Dumbledore basically allowed it to happen.
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* I've long had an impression that Sorting Hat isn't too diligent at its work: it only really looks deep into the person underneath it if they don't come from a wizarding family with the long-established tradition of all its members belonging to the same House. So Percy basically got into Gryffindor because all Weasleys do.
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**** Would agree, but not about Acromantulas particularly, since they were actually not there until Hagrid brought Aragog to Hogwarts and got ''expelled'' for that. One would think that the Ministry of Magic could at least be consistent about the perceived threat and try to eradicate the Acromantulas afterwards.
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*** Not in the 10th-11th centuries when Hogwarts was allegedly founded, there wasn't. Both in RealLife and, it seems, in Potterverse, it doesn't begin until the 14th century (with the RealLife apex of it in 16th century).

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