History Headscratchers / HarryPotterHogwarts

16th Jul '17 9:50:31 AM nombretomado
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** If the books are an analogy of both wars (been the first Death Eaters war somewhat like UsefulNotes/WorldWarI and the second one, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII) then thereís certain level of TruthInTelevision; Germany and Europe in general DOES change a lot after WW2 and Hitlerís defeat you know? And though yes, I do agree that changing social and cultural prejudices take generations even with laws (been the race issue in the USA a good example, been the caste system in India another, both countries having race segregation and caste system totally outlawed de iure bot still a problem in their society de facto), Europe is an example of a culture changing radically after a terrible conflict. During the 50s to 80s period Europeans where the exact opposite politically of what they where during 20s, 30s and 40s. Most Germans and many Europeans in general left anti-Semitism and other prejudices very quickly to the point than been racist in Germany today is taboo (and Germanís far-right parties have minimal support). Guilt can do that to a society. Something curious for example is that younger German and European genetarions tend to be more critical of stuffs like immigration than the older generations [oppose to most countries in the Americas] mainly because the milenials do not feel any guilt for the Holocaust as they werenít even bore then.

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** If the books are an analogy of both wars (been the first Death Eaters war somewhat like UsefulNotes/WorldWarI and the second one, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII) then thereís certain level of TruthInTelevision; Germany and Europe in general DOES change a lot after WW2 [=WW2=] and Hitlerís defeat you know? And though yes, I do agree that changing social and cultural prejudices take generations even with laws (been the race issue in the USA a good example, been the caste system in India another, both countries having race segregation and caste system totally outlawed de iure bot still a problem in their society de facto), Europe is an example of a culture changing radically after a terrible conflict. During the 50s to 80s period Europeans where the exact opposite politically of what they where during 20s, 30s and 40s. Most Germans and many Europeans in general left anti-Semitism and other prejudices very quickly to the point than been racist in Germany today is taboo (and Germanís far-right parties have minimal support). Guilt can do that to a society. Something curious for example is that younger German and European genetarions tend to be more critical of stuffs like immigration than the older generations [oppose to most countries in the Americas] mainly because the milenials do not feel any guilt for the Holocaust as they werenít even bore then.
18th Jun '17 2:05:24 PM nombretomado
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** The only information this Troper could find was the source information in the 'Hogwarts' Article of TheOtherWiki. According to that, it's WordOfGod. IIRC, the books never explicitly state the location.

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** The only information this Troper could find was the source information in the 'Hogwarts' Article of TheOtherWiki.Wiki/TheOtherWiki. According to that, it's WordOfGod. IIRC, the books never explicitly state the location.



** ThatOtherWiki says that Quirrell was the former Muggle Studies teacher, only transferring to Defense Against the Dark Arts in ''Philosopher's Stone''. So who taught Muggle Studies in-between them and when the Carrows took over?

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** ThatOtherWiki Wiki/ThatOtherWiki says that Quirrell was the former Muggle Studies teacher, only transferring to Defense Against the Dark Arts in ''Philosopher's Stone''. So who taught Muggle Studies in-between them and when the Carrows took over?



** TheOtherWiki states that JKR did not name the school after the plant, at least not deliberately. Also, naming a school after a plant that contains a laxative seems just as inappropriate as a pig's skin condition.

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** TheOtherWiki Wiki/TheOtherWiki states that JKR did not name the school after the plant, at least not deliberately. Also, naming a school after a plant that contains a laxative seems just as inappropriate as a pig's skin condition.
17th Jun '17 1:15:51 PM nombretomado
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** If the books are an analogy of both wars (been the first Death Eaters war somewhat like WW1 and the second one WW2) then thereís certain level of TruthInTelevision; Germany and Europe in general DOES change a lot after WW2 and Hitlerís defeat you know? And though yes, I do agree that changing social and cultural prejudices take generations even with laws (been the race issue in the USA a good example, been the caste system in India another, both countries having race segregation and caste system totally outlawed de iure bot still a problem in their society de facto), Europe is an example of a culture changing radically after a terrible conflict. During the 50s to 80s period Europeans where the exact opposite politically of what they where during 20s, 30s and 40s. Most Germans and many Europeans in general left anti-Semitism and other prejudices very quickly to the point than been racist in Germany today is taboo (and Germanís far-right parties have minimal support). Guilt can do that to a society. Something curious for example is that younger German and European genetarions tend to be more critical of stuffs like immigration than the older generations [oppose to most countries in the Americas] mainly because the milenials do not feel any guilt for the Holocaust as they werenít even bore then.

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** If the books are an analogy of both wars (been the first Death Eaters war somewhat like WW1 UsefulNotes/WorldWarI and the second one WW2) one, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII) then thereís certain level of TruthInTelevision; Germany and Europe in general DOES change a lot after WW2 and Hitlerís defeat you know? And though yes, I do agree that changing social and cultural prejudices take generations even with laws (been the race issue in the USA a good example, been the caste system in India another, both countries having race segregation and caste system totally outlawed de iure bot still a problem in their society de facto), Europe is an example of a culture changing radically after a terrible conflict. During the 50s to 80s period Europeans where the exact opposite politically of what they where during 20s, 30s and 40s. Most Germans and many Europeans in general left anti-Semitism and other prejudices very quickly to the point than been racist in Germany today is taboo (and Germanís far-right parties have minimal support). Guilt can do that to a society. Something curious for example is that younger German and European genetarions tend to be more critical of stuffs like immigration than the older generations [oppose to most countries in the Americas] mainly because the milenials do not feel any guilt for the Holocaust as they werenít even bore then.



** Which is still an analogy of real life, as racism also survived WW1, if not even was increased by it. WW1 also had genocides, like the Armenian genocide or the actions of the Belgians in Africa and yet people maintained their racism. But after Nazism being racist became a really really bad thing. So, in a parallelism with real life, in a similar way how no one in the 50s wanted to be associated with the Nazis, in the magical world being anti-Muggle/Muggleborns, treating bad non-human sentient creatures, etc., was associated with the Death Eaters and no one wanted that. Though I do agree that prejudice in societies are hard to change, is not unthinkable that a conflict like this could cause a radical change, of course whether most Wizards honestly change or just keep appearances of being more progressive to not be call "Death Eaters" is another matter.

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** Which is still an analogy of real life, as racism also survived WW1, [=WW1=], if not even was increased by it. WW1 [=WW1=] also had genocides, like the Armenian genocide or the actions of the Belgians in Africa and yet people maintained their racism. But after Nazism being racist became a really really bad thing. So, in a parallelism with real life, in a similar way how no one in the 50s wanted to be associated with the Nazis, in the magical world being anti-Muggle/Muggleborns, treating bad non-human sentient creatures, etc., was associated with the Death Eaters and no one wanted that. Though I do agree that prejudice in societies are hard to change, is not unthinkable that a conflict like this could cause a radical change, of course whether most Wizards honestly change or just keep appearances of being more progressive to not be call "Death Eaters" is another matter.
25th May '17 1:28:15 AM Luppercus
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*** Ok, but still there are probably not many jobs for a squib and even if he does manual labor --as I said, probably during the hours or places where House Elves should not be seen-- still House Elves do most of the work.
24th May '17 11:20:33 AM AngelofHel
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***Because any dumb kid could then hop on google translate and continually chant variations of Digitus de Morte or Deus Lux while making different movements until they blow up half the nation.
2nd May '17 3:58:10 AM tafelshrew
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*** He complains about having to do manual labour a lot - that's a large part of why he hates the students. (That, the fact that they have no respect for him, and probably bitterness over being effectively disabled.) The example that instantly springs to mind is when Harry tracks in mud in CoS and Filch tries to punish him but lets him go when Harry reads his private mail.
27th Apr '17 2:40:29 PM Luppercus
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** Is he? I don't remember him ever doing manual labour in the books, he does some in the movies but even there is very basic. He clearly can, even if he wanted, to handle the cleaning of a castle with hundreds of children there. It is obvious that House Elves do all the hard work when no one is watching (is even mentioned, remember that Hermione left clothes for the House Elves that clean the rooms trying to free them). But due to the anthropocentric culture of Wizards having House Elves around all the time would be frowned upon, that and the fact that, although a squib he does have authority over students and can give them orders, something an Elf can't do. That's why they need a human manager to do some of the minimal cleaning when House Elves are too busy or shouldn't go in public yet. Now whether is cruel to have a squib working in a magic school, might be. But probably there are not many jobs for squibs, especially not in the magical world and he has free food and shelter, not bad of a job.

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** Is he? I don't remember him ever doing manual labour in the books, he does some in the movies but even there is very basic. He clearly can, can't, even if he wanted, to handle the cleaning of a castle with hundreds of children there. It is obvious that House Elves do all the hard work when no one is watching (is even mentioned, remember that Hermione left clothes for the House Elves that clean the rooms trying to free them). But due to the anthropocentric culture of Wizards having House Elves around all the time would be frowned upon, that and the fact that, although a squib he does have authority over students and can give them orders, something an Elf can't do. That's why they need a human manager to do some of the minimal cleaning when House Elves are too busy or shouldn't go in public yet. Now whether is cruel to have a squib working in a magic school, might be. But probably there are not many jobs for squibs, especially not in the magical world and he has free food and shelter, not bad of a job.
27th Apr '17 2:39:49 PM Luppercus
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** Is he? I don't remember ever him doing manual labour in the books, he does some in the movies but even there is very basic. He clearly can, even if he wanted, to handle the cleaning of a castle with hundreds of children there. It is obvious that House Elves do all the hard work when no one is watching (is even mentioned, remember that Hermione left clothes for the House Elves that clean the rooms trying to free them). But due to the anthropocentric culture of Wizards having House Elves around all the time would be frowned upon, that and the fact that, although a squib he does have authority over students and can give them orders, something an Elf can't do. That's why they need a human manager to do some of the minimal cleaning when House Elves are too busy or shouldn't go in public yet. Now whether is cruel to have a squib working in a magic school, might be. But probably there are not many jobs for squibs, especially not in the magical world and he has free food and shelter, not bad of a job.

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** Is he? I don't remember him ever him doing manual labour in the books, he does some in the movies but even there is very basic. He clearly can, even if he wanted, to handle the cleaning of a castle with hundreds of children there. It is obvious that House Elves do all the hard work when no one is watching (is even mentioned, remember that Hermione left clothes for the House Elves that clean the rooms trying to free them). But due to the anthropocentric culture of Wizards having House Elves around all the time would be frowned upon, that and the fact that, although a squib he does have authority over students and can give them orders, something an Elf can't do. That's why they need a human manager to do some of the minimal cleaning when House Elves are too busy or shouldn't go in public yet. Now whether is cruel to have a squib working in a magic school, might be. But probably there are not many jobs for squibs, especially not in the magical world and he has free food and shelter, not bad of a job.
27th Apr '17 2:39:11 PM Luppercus
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** Is he? I don't remember ever him doing manual labour in the books, he does some in the movies but even there is very basic. He clearly can, even if he wanted, to handle the cleaning of a castle with hundreds of children there. It is obvious that House Elves do all the hard work when no one is watching (is even mentioned, remember that Hermione left clothes for the House Elves that clean the rooms trying to free them). But due to the anthropocentric culture of Wizards having House Elves around all the time would be frowned upon, that and the fact that, although a squib he does have authority over students and can give them orders, something an Elf can't do. That's why they need a human manager to do some of the minimal cleaning when House Elves are too busy or shouldn't go in public yet. Now whether is cruel to have a squib working in a magic school, might be. But probably there are not many jobs for squibs, especially not in the magical world and he has free food and shelter, not bad of a job.
27th Apr '17 9:02:11 AM tafelshrew
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** He is, at least to an extent, playing a role in Potions lessons. When he starts teaching Harry Occlumency in private, he's much less of an asshole, gives Harry as much information on the subject as Lupin and Fake!Moody did when they were teaching Harry special techniques, and even praises him on one occasion (something like "for a first attempt, that was not as bad as it could have been") - it's only when Harry doesn't actually do the required practice that he starts losing his temper. Evidently there is something causing him to be a dick in public classes - it's likely to be a spy thing on Dumbledore's orders, considering the Death Eaters genuinely are cartoonishly evil, but it could also be that Snape is untrained, not cut out to be a teacher in the first place, and doing his best with pretty much no guidance (if Dumbledore genuinely thinks he's teaching the kids a valuable lesson). If Snape's a KarmaHoudini, so is Dumbledore.




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[[folder: Just Be A Dick To Squibs, They Don't Count]]
* Why the hell is Filch forced to do as much manual labour as he does when Hogwarts has an entire staff of house-elves who are, by wizarding standards (i.e. if we ignore that they're all enchanted into slavery somehow), well-treated and happy in their jobs? If house-elves are so magical, surely they could do the same work much easier and faster? Hogwarts is enormous! Why force someone without magic to clean up after everything that happens there - not to mention Peeves?
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